What's stopping Ukraine's backers from giving it what it needs to properly defend itself? | DW News
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- US President Joe Biden has opened NATO's 75th anniversary summit in Washington with a pledge of more air defense systems for Ukraine. He's offering Kyiv an additional Patriot system and says allies will provide dozens more anti-missile batteries. This as Biden seeks to reassure allies at home and abroad that he's up for the job of president. Doubts about his fitness for office continue to plague his re-election campaign. Biden's offer to boost Kyiv's defenses came a day after the deadliest spate of air strikes on Ukraine in months.
For more on this, we talk to Fabrice Pothier. He is CEO of the consultancy Rasmussen Global and a former Director of Policy Planning at NATO.
And we talk to DW's Nick Connolly is in Kyiv.
00:00 US President Biden opens NATO's 75th anniversary summit in Washington
02:55 Interview with Fabrice Pothier, former Director of Policy Planning at NATO
10:36 Talk with DW Correspondent Nick Connolly
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Projecting weakness has encouraged Russia to be more aggressive. More weakness with inadequate assistance to enable decisive victory for Ukraine encourages more aggression and war crimes by Russia and other authoritarian governments NATO is still failing to deter and failing to react effectively to the consequences of that failure. Cowardice and apathy is leading to more suffering and more risks for the world.
NATO does not want a defeat of Russia or NATO fears Russia nuclear weapons.
Perhaps they are starting to understand that the people they represent don´t want to spend their money supporting a litlle boy that does not want to negociate???
The million dollar question. 😂 Nafo promised Ukraine "whatever it takes" 2yrs later still cant give Ukraine everything they need lmao, obviously they just using Ukraine as a tool to weaken Russia 😂
Genius. It only took 2 years to realize this, you say?
@@Mr.Clownensky I took Russia 2 years to admit it was a war and Not a Military Operation. Russia can just Stop and there would be Peace instantly.
@@MrObiWanKenobi96 Same apply if the Minsk agreement in 2014 would have being respected.
This is ridiculous. Everyone knows there are times when you have to fight back even though you would prefer that disputes could be solved by mutual agreement. We all know the consequences of not facing up to those who want to overpower us is subjugation, and that once our power, our agency, is lost, then we our self are lost. It is the same on the macro level and why the risk can be justified.
In other words we need leaders,not power hungry politicians.
Imagine the massive aftermath you're going to have to deal with
Id say much much larger that you think
Have the limitations been removed or not?
The US keeps saying one thing but doing another.
NATO 2024 "We condemn the bombing of children's hospitals" Same NATO From March 1999 to June 1999 The maternity hospital of the Dragiša Mišović Clinical Hospital Center in Belgrade was damaged on April 28, and the KBC was hit on May 20, when the building of the Center for Children's Lung Diseases and Tuberculosis and the Gynecology and Obstetrics Clinic was demolished.Among the damaged hospitals were the hospitals in Vranje, Valjevo, Novopazar, and the special hospital for tuberculosis patients in Surdulica .
And Gaza... hospitals and universities destroyed
Ukraine must go to elections and get a new mandate...maybe peace loving politician will win and all these deaths can stop
But you do know what the serbs did to their neighbors beforehand right?
@@TheStormtrooper00 Neighboring states are not members of NATO, NATO also attacked contrary to the UN Charter prohibiting the use of force except in the case of a decision of the Security Council or self-defense against attack in accordance with Title VII (Measures in case of threat to peace, violation of peace or in case of aggression against NATO countries) , Serbia does not threaten any NATO member either.
@@2f5f52hf So you advocate for uncontrollable aggression and impunity as long as they are not NATO?
I would like to see how Orban was received on the summit
Maybe his plane had an 'accident"...
He was bullied by the cool kids and had to eat alone.
He should visit the children's hospital in Kiev, see what putins peace really looks like
Guy is 25 years in power! Truly “democratic” guy!
@@JeffBilkins not true, he has millions of europeans with him.
This header is bringing up a very good question...
It makes us realize that "peace" exists because there is a state of non-peace.
It may not be possible to realize true peace simply by advocating "peace" without realizing it.
Sadly , human nature. There’s always going to be someone,………
There is an old saying that one can not truly appreciate the good times without bad times
@@neilnelson7603internal? Dude, they invaded another sovereign country.
How is that internal?
@@alexbrokholm4883 The west have been supporting opposition movements in Russia way before Ukraine war. Remember Navalny you guys loved so much? Thats called interference in Russia's internal affairs
@@neilnelson7603 Sure once you stop interfering in our elections, comrade
Don't bother with another thoughtless response. I'm muting you for not having anything intelligent to say
I absolutely know a very clear answer to the question in the title.
The answer: Stupidity
This channel has been calling guests that say the same thing since Feb22... warmongers only
Joe Bidrenko
The president of the
Ukraine & States of America
These western countries have lost the war.😊😅😅
What war? Plausible deniability, is the definition of 'Proxy'. So, what war are you talking about? Those were Ukrainians tanks, atacums, drones and global hawks, that attacked Russia; the West had no part in this war, between Ukraine and Russia. And soon to come the war between China and Taiwan.
You would love to have a 5 digits paycheck in the west 😅😅😅 a car in 2 months work .
Many dream but they can't 😂😂 your partners are Xi ( minimum wage 370 ) Putin (197 ) Kim ( 30 ) Modi( 63) Iran ( 116 ) Afghanistan ( 65) and some African distactors 😅😅 80 euros 😅😅😅.
Good luck 🤞🤞 good customers , we stand a side no problem .
Coffee, tabaco , gas, utilities, rent and food per day pays a months work of any country 😂😂😂
Trust the US at your perils.
@@henrynwoke7219 trump will be in prison soon...like Maddog in Owl 2025?
Trust Russia?
😂😂😂
@@juancsmix 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@juancsmix You try to make fun of it, but actually unironically yes. Western analysts say it's "inconceivable" that Georgia is having a rapprochement with Russia after their 2008 war. But guess what? Georgia is not the one having to conscript another 500k civilians right now. Who had the winning defense strategy?
Sometimes i wonder how this people become, leaders... expecting Ukraine to win russia on the battle field is interesting... please try a negotiated settlement,.. innocent people are dieing for decisions of a few..
Sshshshs, there are too many Russian trolls in this comment section already.
I LIKE YOUR BACKGROUND WITH THE FRAME, AT YOUR BACK.
So far Russia has had it easy-peasy. It's going to get tougher for them.
Old Fart continues to drag us into another world war.
DW can't stop inviting stakeholders and activists as "experts", without disclosing their agenda's. From Wikipedia:
"Rasmussen Global was founded in 2014 by the former Danish Prime Minister and NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen. / On 27 May 2016, Rasmussen became a non-staff advisor to President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine and the firm worked on reform in Ukraine and its global positioning."
Wikipedia 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 those are your sources? 🤦 Let me change this article real quick..
Because that is what 8 billion ppl can do on Wikipedia.... 😂😂😂😂
What comes next? Prove from the Kreml? 😂
Inviting these fools as experts beats anyone's imagination.
I'm not convinced that's a conflict of interests rather than relevant experience.
Russia started this conflict in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea and support of armed separatists in the Donbas so those events predate any kind of involvement that could be seen as intent to stir conflict.
@@Cricrithezar Russia had every right to protect Russian population in Ukraine which was seriously threatened by the new extremist government in Kiev following the illegal Maidan regime change.
@@Cricrithezar Well, story changes accorting to the beginning. How's this one: NATO provoked the conflict with the declaration of Georgia and Ukraine joining NATO. That was Bukarest, 2008.
You are right.
What about NATO weapons killing children in gaza.
Those are terrorists shields...
what about what about what about 🙄 give it a rest, you sound like a broken record
Israel is not member of NATO. Palestinian supporters as Spain, Turkey and Ireland are NATO members. NATO is a defensive alliance, there is not a common policy in anything. Even Putin supporters, as Austria, Hungary and Slovakia.
That doesn't count! Only when the children are white is when they count, ask the Iraqis.
@@techcafe0 well, it's the West who keeps forcing the Global South to support NATO and Ukraine. You should tell the West that they sound like a broken record
Imagine? Imagine how many people would still be alive if you had negotiated 2 years ago
How many people would be alive if little guy putin would keep his military in Russia
@@Lifeisfakedreamsarereal-wb3lm Imagine if NATO did not go into Ukraine
@@Lifeisfakedreamsarereal-wb3lm and your president minding his own business 😂
End NATO ☮️💞
I'll be having words with whoever let you out of the asylum.
The warmongering WEST
@@tommwangi4302 But fear war
what part of RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE do you not understand??
@@techcafe0your part😂
@@techcafe0 bleating sheep 🤣
@@techcafe0 is Ukraine NATO ?
The United States Army has over 40 military installations in Germany lol. Hey DW ask the german government if the US will allow you to build even one base in the US. 🤣🤣🤣
What would a german army base in the US be good for? Name one reaon.
Germany wants those US bases there.
@@marky4x429 for projecting german power and influence. For the enforcement of german foreign policy. That's two. So answer the first question by New Zealander.
@@wolfswinkel8906 Germany has no interest in doing so by military presence. Irrelevant.
@@soulsphere9242after the Germans unification did the people have a choice 😅😅😅
Ha he find hes pills 😂
Ukraine’s top negotiator, Davyd Arakhamia: Russia was “prepared to end the war if we agreed to... neutrality, and committed that we would not join NATO.”
But the US and UK stood in the way.
Any party is always willing to end a war on its own terms.
U can now read real agreement that was on the table that time, it’s was capitulation for Ukraine😢 we don’t want to be colonized again, we don’t want to have another genocide 😢
@@Grek1574 If Ukraine continues its refusal to negotiate, more territory will be lost and sadly many more lives will be lost.
@@PerceivedREALITY999oh how dare Ukraine defend themselves.
How dare Ukraine kill russians when they are attack their country.
THERE IS NO FEAR.
THERE IS NO FEAR.
Joe need to stay home 🏠 put on diaper 😢
Send aid to me and Ukraine.
We don't cause wars, they happen, peace is what we cause, we're just not very good at it yet.
History says otherwise.
I see a lot of panic in Otan/Nato
Step aside Bide you have ideas baked in by the past and cannot see the reality of the current geopolitical situation.
Comedian zelensky is sniffing 😂😂😂
Where are the F16 jet fighters?.
nafo bots are afraid to join the front they dont want to see ukraine "winning"
Biden is bloodthirsty
they should introduce a qualified majority decision to get on new members and also to throw out existing ones. that would lead to more discipline and coherence
Instead of arming Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan; US tax payer money should be spent on infrastructure, healthcare, education, homelessness etc.
And paying the people they owe in America.
@@PerceivedREALITY999 Good idea. I suggest you put that forward to Putin as most Russians don't even have indoor plumbing.
Can you elaborate in USD how much each citizen of the US had to pay so far for the conflict in Ukraine and did you compare that to the amount which have been returned trough jobs and arms sales?
- Is it more than 5$ a month p.P. ?
- Could it be that a complete fall of Ukraine and what would come next would cost the whole world way more than trying to stop Russia here and now?
- Why didn‘t Trump change the homeless situation in those 4 years and invested money into infrastructures?
You can walk and chew gum at the same time. Most aid to Ukraine is in weapons. Stop being silly
@@pjhgerlachAT least they have homes to sleep in and food to eat,Can't say the same about Murica people 😢😢
Can't believe..... I'm having a hard time believing the reality of the world today with the current situation with Ukraine 🙏✌️🙏😵💫
Wouldn’t you think that common sense would prevail and they would look for a peace deal and stop fuelling a useless war . Brave and good men end wars
Exactly if someone invades your country you should just give up for peace like a coward
@@stevinharper3551 look at the reasons - why they were invaded ?
How do you imagine that you can make deal with dog (read Russia) that has rabies i wonder ?
@@dianeirvine7624 because Putin wants the land. Fact is Ukraine joining NATO was never a plan until he invaded. He didn't like that Ukrainians chose freedom over a Russian puppet. If he wanted peace he should have not started a pointless war. If Putin is about peace and honesty how does his opponents always seem to magically pass away kinda convenient don't ya think. He never gave a single shred of evidence for things he claimed.
@@ospehu1deals depends on your IQ and so far 😂😂😂
DW narrative collapsing 🤡
NATO leader's summit in Washington DC looks more like proper funeral, which actually it is, not 'major celebration' - just look at that ceremony with 'leaders' coming on the stage and background music - it resembles proper funeral
Odd seeing it's Russia that dying, both politically and the population
I think people need to view the video.. before commenting 🙌🏼
A new acquaintance this fellow, Pothier, but he talks sense here
hypocrite
@dwnews the interviews in the early part of this segment were very poor. The questions contained the answers and were too leading. You can’t get a solid interview without letting the guest answer questions themselves. Honestly, I expect more.
7:23 there is no speculation about what Trump would do. He said it all himself many times. Where does this man live ...
As if any of what he says is trustworthy
@@marky4x429 Ruzi bot ? yes you are.
Most criminal organization
Than USSR
Who wins a war been on a defensive stance. Giving Ukraine air defense means he is fit for president?
No it doesn't. Not even close.
Feckless Politicians
Laughing stocks of comic actors
This just helps the US money printing machinery. Stop this war!!
Sorry, it was Russia who invaded. Don't get your facts twisted
@@juancsmixIt was USA that provoked this,now go and sleep Adults are talking.
Sure, just tell Putin to take his troops and return to the 1991 borders and it will be over
@@BruceJ999 wow, that is some delusional rationalization that you have got going on there
@@HuskyOwner-bl1jf Unlike you I don't live under a rock🤡
What's wrong?
NATO can just mess with Yugoslavia (Serbia), Iraq, Afghanistan and other small countries, why bother poking the bear. Is the bear so easy to poke?🤔
The bear is easy to poke because he's a big target. The problem is when the bear decides to return the favor.
They believe Russia is too soft to start a nuclear exchange. One day they just may learn different.
Bear or pig
I like how you made a parentes on Yugoslavia that said Serbia.
Is all of Yugoslavia Serbia?
@@user-li5cr6wv5b однако, их не поймёшь. В чем только Россию не обвиняли, а вот в то, что она применит нюки- не верят🤣
No to NATO no to War
Not to poopin apologizing bots !
If you need permission, your a colony
61 billion dollars invested in Ukraine war via industrial military complex of the US to boost US economy which is the worst investment ever and you told me that lobby is not a form of corruption?
Lol they already given it to Ukraine and it failed
What has been given? May be planes?
@@ninaotan7811 like everything, including the money that Zelinsky and his cronies stole
He’s lying. He never delivered Nike anti icbm missiles systems to Ukraine. He promised to.
One of the biggest, if not the biggest, waste of money in world history.
No, that was lend lease to the Soviet union.
America needs a president like Biden who does the work, who protects democracy, not someone who whines like child all the time, plays golf and commits crimes.
Air defence is only one side of the equation. When is Ukrain going to be given the weapons to cripple Russia's economy ?
What part of $300 BILLION dollars of donations don't you understand ? Here's a clue. This is a proxy war. Ukraine has one role, and one only. Ukraine supplies the cannon fodder for NATO and it has done a good job so far. When the cannon fodder runs out, the donations run out.
He’s lying. He promised U.S. NIKE anti Icbm missiles systems and never delivered them.
“Fear of Russian defeat” that’s a convenient way to admit that you lost.
You just get it exactly they know how to spin lost and become winning 😂😂😂
Taurus Taurus Taurus
CIRCUS SUMMIT. NOTHING ELSE.
The weak leadership
Just what Obama said in 2015: Russia has "escalation superiority". No matter what is given to Ukraine, Russia can leap frog that capability. The only thing US has that Russia doesn't is an aircraft carrier; but even if we gave Zelensky a carrier, RU would destroy it in port
Lol, Russia can't leap frog any tech the US has. The Russian military has hardly advanced since the Cold War, except in drones. Russia is simply using its Cold War equipment, which it does have a lot of. The US is only giving Ukraine stocks of old things it no longer wants itself. There is very little advanced Western tech in this war.
@@soulsphere9242 >The Russian military has hardly advanced since the Cold War,
So outdated Russian weapon beat advanced US'? 🤗 Good to know.
PS And thats why US weapon can't beat Russian electronic warfare too, I guess?
Russia is fighting with 1980s technology. Without nukes they aren’t much better than Iraqs military in 91
@@delta_glider4362 When have Russian weapons actually outmatched US or other western weapons in Ukraine or elsewhere? Of course, some western equipment has been destroyed, no equipment is immune and that will happen in any war, but there is yet to be an example of western systems being directly outmatched by Russian systems. A few dozen destroyed 80's era Leopards or Bradleys means nothing when Ukraine is a T-55, T-64 and T-72 graveyard.
Russian electronic warfare is very good, but advanced western electronic warfare systems have not been deployed to Ukraine, so there is no direct comparison.
The west is not sending its best stuff other than small numbers of systems like Storm Shadow, ATACMS and PATRIOT, which have all proven to be highly successful.
@@delta_glider4362still very poor russian millions can evade patriotic systems 😂😂😂
If it wasn't enough, why did you give it in the first place?
Nuke! Duh...
Lol. In coming months..
Why they didn’t feel that when accepting Finland and another nation to nato membership???
Don’t play games guys!!! You just loosing because you have more important issues with Earth lifecycle that you can’t control!!! Why not control what you can and it’s war of man’s world system to take full control over getting ready for those challenges on earth!!!
look at the map of how NATO is deployed, from the military point of view of encirclement ...of Russian federation
its a military blockade and the same thing is happening in Asia. Originally it was formed to defend but over the years it has evolved to be a choice tool for intimidation if not outright aggression. This alliance is not just about war or protection, there's also the economic aspect where such an alliance can come in handy if you want to put a leash on or limit progress of other rising global powers that may unseat the status quo. This is not just about Russia and Ukraine there are other hidden agendas, the goal here is to weaken one then later go after the others and we all know who is next on the list.
How is the western border of Russia considered encirclement exactly?
Did Iran and China join NATO and no one told me?
@@HuskyOwner-bl1jf most populated part ...
14:20 Nice try but that wasn't it
Comedian, don't trust America 😂😂😂😂😂
Hey DW! Do a petty job of stopping Russian bots getting on to your channel.
West and Nato will learn to listen Russia with full attention, word by word
We the indigenous people of SA stand with Russia .
from China, I stand with Russia
how? nothing is happening to Russian and russians , they are the agressor ???
Definitely election time
if this was a peace summit. i dont support any war but........
FJB and his war
Appeasement is what stops the west to decide Ukraine must win. Not escalation management policy but plain appeasement. Ukraine is to this day being denied its own agency, being viewed as a bargaining chip in the big boy scheme of things. NATOs refusal to invite Ukraine just enables pōōtin to never stop the occupation. Cоwards.
This is what happens when you give up your nuclear weapons...
The proxy war in Ukraine is the first time NATO has tried to pick on someone their own size and NATO is getting humiliated
True. Nato is like the big, uncoordinated guy who can't tie his own shoes. Many languages, weapon systems.
They are realizing this isn't Iraq!
Fear, would you do your job!!!!
Putin understands just power! Ask your Generals Mr. President! They will inform you.
its being reasonable. Russia is no joke and nuclear war is not supposed to be taken lightly. Ask the adults, they will inform you.
@@wolfswinkel8906🤣😂🤣well said
Have you imagined what will happen to Mexico if Russia were to give Long rang missile to Mexico to strike deep into US? Especially Russians were to control the Flight path? The west/US is really testing the patience of Putin.
@@wolfswinkel8906 Its in no way reasonable, when you react on nuclear threats, there are no way back, what happens if you pays a blackmailer, he wants more.
The west has been living in a sugercoated reality for too long, russia only respect raw power. Unfortunately I am too adult to selling out because of threats.
@@berndhofmann752 why should we get involved this is ukraines war which they should fight
Ukraine already lost long time back. Let there be PEACE.
You and Putin will cry !
@@Existence-zy4gb Who me? what did i do Mr democracy. Plus dont lay curses. He\she\they\them\it\everything\everyone, is\are not Voldemor.
For all poopin apologists here, go and live in "mother Russia" if that is such a great place.
Actually people are. For the first time since 1913 people are flooding in to Russia because of good paying meaningful jobs. Cheap accomadation and Chinese EVs. Buy a new car for about $10.000 and then there are the absolutely beautiful Russian girls.
Maybe you know nothing about Russia.
So you think all people are Philistinians, from Gaza or the west bank ? Although direct colonialism has been long gone but the indirect colonialism is still here on its last breath. No one will leave his/her home, land of their ancestors by force without will and process set by law.
@@samsungtap4183 Lots of Russian widows yes
For all the Elensky apologists, go and live in ukr and see what's it like living there.
😂
I studied Russian in high school and once thought I would do a lot of traveling there. Now, sadly, there is no sum that could convince me to visit.
Biden need more sleep, please don't disturb 🤣
Where do you find these dreamers. Ukraine will never win, NATO doesn't have the will or resourses to do it. Zelensky reminds me of that knight in the Holy Grail movie who has all his arms and legs and still wants to fight. You Europeans are lost. What a joke...
Ukraine doeseent want to win they just want to be left alone to get on with their lives
@@vincenthigginbotham8729 Easy. , just stay out of NATO. Is it fair, no,buy life isn’t fair.
We nah beg no peace with Russia either ,them want peace them know what it is that bring abt peace and nato need to be as they say defence Alliance but we understand lots of scenarios been played out behind scenes I know one day Them NATo will step up more aggressively to the plate
America should be understanding World towards multi polarity
A pole that disregards international law and see small states as tools is not necessary. Nah, let's keep it unipolar so tools like you can cope and seethe.
biden, zelensky, macron, scholz, trudeau and netanyahu are competing for the clown of the year award. It's going to be a close contest this year.
Strong Western Governments! 🤝
Poor Western Citizens! 🤲
Lol 😂
NATO fears Russia. Russia laughs at Bidumb.
NATO Fears? Are you 12 years old? What country doesn't want to be bombarded with missiles onto its civilians. The whole point of nato is defensive and I think you just justified their existence.
Nato, man up and show a thug "leader" of a corrupt country you mean business.
They tried, but Zelenski doesn't take hints.
I feel ashamed 😢 we work really slow and we're not decisive enough and out enemies feel it .
How many hospitals did Israel destroy in Gaza ?
Another NATO summit, and nothing comes out of it. UKRAINE still dying.
Ukraine could stop the war tomorrow by agreeing that Russia has a right to keep it's naval base in Crimea.
@@davidhess6593 Is that an agreement or a force of Pootin in a foreign country......bad advise or clueless
aim of Nato never seemed to save Ukraine from Russia ! It seems Nato mainly focuses on Damage done to Ukraine to Weaken Russia militaril6 and economically . When Russia gets considerably weak , Nato will attack Russia and break it into pieces . Nato has no real love for Ukraine .....
Ha ha ha ha ha.....
November is coming