College Football Playoff Rankings Are FLAWED - Josh Pate Cut
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- College Football Playoff rankings are finally out. After Josh Pate's College Football Show Ep 580 Josh Pate broke down the rankings along with several flaws baked into the process. What do we think about Oregon and Ohio State being among the 4 Big Ten teams in the top 5? Will we see teams like UGA, Alabama or LSU, Ole Miss or Texas A&M make it in along with Tennessee and Texas? Who are the biggest winners and losers? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Your theory about the quality of a win at the moment presents preseason ranking problems.
I would counter: do away with preseason rankings because they are based on vibes and not results. I’ve thought this for years.
He said with few exceptions, so beating Florida State early in the season is not impressive
I mean look at Michigan and Florida State rank high and look at them. Week 1 if you win you be in the top 25 you lose you don't make the top 25 simple.
Rankings should not come out at all until week 6 of a 12 game schedule. Once you've got film on that years teams. Look at Michigan and FSU this year vs last year. Yet both were top 10 pre-season. It's stupid.
Simple fix to all of this. Don’t have preseason rankings and wait until week 3 to release any sort of official ranking
That would help a lot. I doubt it would be a cure all
Stength of schedule determined before the season starts is flawed. How many times is a team expected to go 4-8 and goes 10-2. Everyone who played that team would have gotten a ding in their strength of schedule when that 10-2 team was stronger than expected. There is so much turnover with coaching staff and transfers that ranking strength of schedule before a single down has been played in the preseason is less exact of a science than in the past.
SOS should ebb and flow like the rankings does as the season moves 👍
It changed but alr
I don't know what some people mean about Georgia being "screwed". They have 2 losses, and they've looked like crap. Stop looking at the past 3 years: look at this year!
Yeah, but they Beat Texas and lost to ranked teams in Top 10
More top 25 games away/at neutral sites (4) than home games total (3). Lost to 2 teams inside the top 12 on the road but also ragdolled #3 on the road. IU’s best win is against 5-5 Michigan at home by 5. PSU’s hanging their hat on keeping it close with OSU at home. ND lost to a bad NIU team at home. Miami has looked bad, the list goes on. But yeah let’s punish Georgia for looking “bad” in the name of fairness when the argument really stems from anti-SEC bias
Georgia still has 2 games against Tennessee and GT (based on how they're viewing Miami) to make enough of an argument to be included in the playoff - if they don't get included it will likely be their own fault.
This take is so lazy. These schedules are night and day different. Look at the Big Ten schedules vs SEC schedules. Can't boast about being undefeated or having one loss when you haven't even played a top 50 team.
@@c.t.c.7356Agreed, the only big10 team with a tough schedule is OSI
You didn’t circle back to the SMU situation, where wins and losses apparently aren’t the metric being used to CFP rank them. If not “bias”- either logo or conference, it does seem that different logic or different metrics are applied based on which team or conference is being looked at. Indiana may have a “good” loss to Ohio State but be punished harshly for it, BYU may lose the Big12 championship and get punished for it despite going undefeated through the regular season, Georgia may have 3 losses and still get into the playoffs…..
Last when the left Florida State out set a precedent. Put in the best TV matchups that are justifiable. Miami is at 9 because of their logo. SMU is down because of their logo.
No
All of this is why I have been a staunch supporter of computer rankings, as long as the metrics are appropriate. The problem with the BCS was that the format for which we chose our champion only allowed for the top 2 teams. The BCS with a playoff in place would be fantastic. Tell me why I'm wrong.
The computer rankings were only 1/3 of the BCS formula. And most of the time, the committee has the same rankings as the BCS formula.
@@MBarberfan4life I forgot the BCS was a composite ranking!
Agreed. I think the format of the BCS rankings should be brought back to the CFP
I'm with you. Composites of multiple computer rankings are usually the fairest, imho.
Us humans are very biased. I hate the phrase "eye test". Everybody's eyes are different. Some people's eyes are far more educated about what they're seeing than others, and nobody sees everything.
Haha. Everyone saying Indiana is the poster child for being solely rewarded for a weak schedule but they would be comfortably in the playoffs based on almost any computer ranking.
Clemson wasn’t punished for a good game. Clemson was punished for getting demolished
This is exactly why i believe the FCS committee does way better in their selections than FBS
The problem comes when there is a committee and rankings. This overemphasizes overrated teams in certain select conferences. Having so many teams from the Big "10" and SEC shows this. Keep it simple...conference champs and a few select at-large berths. As soon as u introduce the idea of a committee deciding who is " better", then all credibility is lost.
JP can we please remove strength of schedule? Then apply it when it should be used…After the regular season. Please and Thank You
You mean you don't want a 7-5 team with a strong SOS to be ranked number 1? How dare you.
@@SurfCityBilljosh certainly does lmao
The problem with your last point is that we don't know how good teams are going to be at the start of the season. We are guessing. Everyone thought that Oklahoma State was going to be dominant this year. Instead they aren't that good. That makes the loss to them(looking at you Arkansas) or a victory over them(Utah) look worse. The season is the prooving ground.
I agree with you if there are key injuries, because that can change things, but for the most part the adjustment is just expectations meeting reality.
Your flaw with the committee is because all you want Josh is big brands. You don't want teams that are not big brands in the playoffs just admit it.
Nope, he’s pushing for better football it seems. Smaller brand teams can schedule tough games too. Penn state is a big brand, his point is going against them. He’s advocating for better football games. If the committee sets the precedent that it’ll be rewarded to schedule 12 easy wins, teams will start doing that. That only makes for boring football. If they set the opposite standard, we’ll see more good football. That’s all I want.
Even though he said SMU got shafted and probably suggests they be over Miami right now in the ACC it’s a pretty inaccurate assessment
@henrytate857 *completely forgets conferences exist and schedules are usually made years in advance*.
12:23 - Perfectly articulates what Indiana took from Nebraska with its 56-7 beat down of the then 5-1 Cornhuskers. Week 12: Nebraska’s still looking for bowl eligibility, and Indiana “hasn’t played anyone”. 🙄🤦🏽♂️
This arguement is absolute garbage. SEC teams have 1 less conference game and STILL have losses. Thats the story. None of them are elite.
I think the SEC is doing well this year and a lot of the SEC teams in the top 25 are ok in my opinion. I dont think the bias is fundamentally or significantly skewing the rankings in SEC favor (currently). I do think that the generalized way we talk/think about the SEC is biased though and we continually give those teams the benefit of the doubt in the way we talk about them. It would be interesting to do a sentiment analysis on positive remarks for SEC teams compared to non SEC teams (it would be stupidly difficult to do though). My issue has always been that (it seems) we tend to talk about all the positives of the SEC but we mostly talk negatively about other teams. If the way we talk is really what we are thinking, then our thought process appears to have a halo effect for the SEC.
if rankings were based on SOS, Florida would actually be ranked in something, LOL
Except SOS is flawed because it assume the preseason polls were right, and everyonebwas willing to adjust correctly after it was proven wron. No proof, just opinion.
I think that Josh is forgetting that when the committee said rewards for hard schedule was years ago with a TOTALLY different committee. Quit going of what you heard years ago and trying to justify it in the current season. Maybe if Bama doesn't lose to a team it should beat like Vandy, then they would have an argument. Maybe if GA didn't lose 2 games and look like trash for half the season, they would have an argument as well. Indiana is only playing who they are told to play. Why is no one complaining about Ole Miss? Their schedule is complete garbage and lost to a 1-6 Kentucky team. Yet they are on the verge of being in cuz they beat an overrated GA team? Stop with the bullshit. If your going to talk about Indiana, then you better talk about Texas. They got destroyed by the only decent team(GA) they played all year. And lets face it, GA is mediocre at best this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just because you have a tough schedule doesn't mean losses are excused. You are still expected to win. If teams don't drop after a loss, what's the point of even playing the games?
It’s already been addressed. Why would you schedule tough then? It’s not black or white. A mix of both points will have 2 loss teams over 1 losses at times
@bamuh4506 You schedule tough for the reward. Big reward for the big risk. If you lose, you get dinged but you still have the conference championship to deal with and if you can't win that, you don't get to talk about how you got screwed out of a natty.
One college coach said it best, "it isn't about potential, it is about production". I thought about that quote and figured that that is a brilliant thought. That takes any bias out of the equation.
oh please.... You can have production against wet blankets and that says what? You are a slightly less wet blanket.
Damp blanket 😂😂
@@stevesetzer3361it's been working for the sec....
Boise state is the most hurt by this system. Original rankings came out. Boise had 59th SOS and Notre Dame had 77th Mathematical impossibility for Notre dame to be ahead of Boise State. Not possible.
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Jesse need to learn to fight
"Strength of schedule" is a fraudulent concept because it's based completely on agenda-driven biased opinions of who's supposed to be good at the beginning of the season. It does NOT adjust fairly as the season progresses because a loss to a highly rated team is not penalized the same as one to a lower ranked team and those teams stay ranked artificially high. It becomes a constantly reinforcing cycle that rewards the teams that were ranked highly to start the season. This is especially evil if preseason voters rank many teams highly in a single conference because they mostly play each other. That means that the top teams in that conference will always get preferred treatment because their losses won't be penalized like losses in another conference. It's nothing more than a system designed to justify the preferences and agendas of people who want certain teams to succeed over others.
Jeez was the video over by the time you were done typing lmao
This has been a problem since the BCS and is arguably less of an issue now that one loss could end a championship run.
The sec isn't the best conference anymore period and yall salty.. either win or shut up 😂
To fix this either re-rank all teams in the last four weeks to set the CFP ranking or take the top thirty ranked teams at the end of this year and rank them next year with top 10 required to play 6 games within that grouping and 6 against conference next group 11- 21 required to play 6 against that grouping and 6 conference and so on then re-rank in final four weeks.
B10 bias at the top? Idiots doing idiotic stuff.
Josh can't come to terms with the fact that if you lose to a bad team at home (as in Ole Miss) it doesn't matter what happens. The real problem with the rankings is that Notre Dame isn't being punished enough for their loss to NIU. ND should be like 13th with SMU and Boise ahead of the two loss SEC teams (ND win against GT without King does not justify them being ahead of Miami).
FOCUS on TExas too!!!!! Who have they beaten??????
Whoa whoa whoa, are you suggesting to make a deep run post-season in college football you need minimal losses?! That’s crazy, it’s almost like it was the exact same under the 4 team playoff, the BCS, and the AP system prior to that
But under the 4 cupcake schedules didn’t get rewarded
@@Hoodooboiiiinailed it. Had plenty of undefeated teams in the past not make it to the BCS/4 team playoff due to weak schedule. Now they can make it so why schedule anyone tough?
Didn’t an undefeated team get jumped by 2 1-loss teams last year?
Exactly lmao. The cognitive dissonance is hurting my brain. Big fan of Josh love the show but his ‘rEgUlAr sEaSoN gAmEs dOnT mEAn anYtHiNg aNyMorE’ take is consistently the worst. College football needed to grow up lol. If you want to properly crown a championship in a football league of 30+ teams yet alone 100+ you simply need a playoff.
All I hear is crying and coping for sec teams. JFC might as well make the playoffs ONLY sec schools with OSU and Oregon as the exceptions. Christ alive
I think with a playoff going to 12 we need computer polls... I wouldn't say 100% Computer polls decide the fate of team but I would say >50% would be ideal
Josh doesn't realize that the committee members changev every 3 years, and who ever said that 3 years ago, probably aint there any more. Also im sure not every committee member doesn't hold strength of schedule as top priority. Each member is going to have there own determination of how they rank these teams. The committee isn't a single entity, but instead is a a bunch of individual members working together to determine a set system. Also you notice how Josh says nothing about Texas's schedule. Texas biggest win was Vandy, by 3 points. Yet he has no problen with a SEC team who has a not so good win schedule. Yet he points out BIG 10 teams. I think Indiana beating a 1 loss healthy Nebraska team by 49 points, was a better win then a 3 point texas win over Vandy team.
BYU and IU deserve to be ahead of TN BUT…. why were they behind us last week then jump us this week. It doesn’t make sense. Their wins weren’t better… 5-5 Michigan and a 3rd string QB at Utah. GTFOH.
I heard that Miami is ranked higher than SMU because of Cam Ward. So one person makes the team. Should we just have the qbs play against each other only. Such nonsense. Miami has had an easy schedule and won some games they should have lost with help from the refs.
If fsu can be left out of the playoffs, while having a better record, because of their qb situation last year. Nothing surprises me.
Your argument is circular Josh. Preseason rankings assume the SEC is dominate, and every ranking thereafter assume the previous ranking was pretty much correct. Maybe Alabama losing to Vanderbilt is proof there are major problems there and they are very beatable by a number of teams especially when not at home. Georgia has proven by the crazy amount of turnovers they aren't a safe bet at all and that trend isn't going away. LSU has holes everywhere. That isn't to say any of the teams playing ball don't have trouble, but the SEC was overrepresented as usual in the preseason top 25 and they are always given the benefit of the doubt because of that.
It's just like the PAC 12 when everyone made fun of how the PAC 12 was eating themselves. But now that the SEC does it, it's all "wow look at all these good teams beating themselves"
You could also use context to say Alabama lost to Vanderbilt due the defensive struggles earlier in the season due to learning a new system. Problems in which they’ve largely cleaned up. You don’t want to go down the reality hole though that’s the problem
@@bamuh4506problems after a big win over Georgia huh? Guess your reality hole is just that.... YOUR REALITY... which is obviously bias.... yawn, logic was never yalls strong point huh?
I mean, BYU has a better record, better sor, AND better sos than Texas, yet they're ranked a few spots below them.
I guess this doesn't apply across the board. 🤷🏻♀️
Reminder that Texas best win is Vanderbilt…
Ok @JoshPateCFB how about in 2020.. when Norte Dame played Clemson.. won, then met them again in ACC championship game and lost.. and was still put in with the possibility of playing Clemson a 3rd time?
I love ya Josh but the cognitive dissonance of arguing simultaneously that big games are devalued and deincentivised by a 12 team playoff because you are punished for losing, while also pining for the good old days when regular season games ‘meant more’ because there was no safety net and losing them mean elimination from national title contention is making my head spin. How in the world does a playoff de incentivize scheduling big regular seasons more than the days where 2 teams made the playoff aka national championship game?
Texas scheduled Alabama as their out of conference 2 years in a row, followed by Michigan (no one knew they’d be bad when it was scheduled), and Ohio State is scheduled for the 2 next years!!
Tell the SEC to play 9 conference games… no one ever complained when Ole Miss played Furman, middle Tennessee, wake forest and Georgia southern… every single SEC team has 3 cupcakes on the schedule… some have 4
And then you will punish the SEC for beating each other up when it comes time to rank. Meanwhile, teams like Indiana get ranked while playing in the cupcake conference. No insentive for the SEC to do that as Josh elegantly broke down.
@@gnasty438maybe the sec isn't that good if teams that were beat by other conferences are then beating top competition in the sec.... sorry logical thought, I forget sec fans don't do that.
14:06 What did you just say?
To the argument that the "way to go is easy schedules like Indiana", no, the way to go is to win the games on your schedule regardless of who is on it.
Or if you lose, lose in an understandable way to a good team. If UGA lost a nail biter to Ole Miss that’d be one thing. But they got BLOWN OUT. It was utter domination. Georgia couldn’t do a thing, never seen a Kirby Smart team look so impotent.
8:46 What you said was not a fact. WATER ISN'T WET. Water can make other things wet because everything doesn't have moisture. So, if I DUMP A BUCKET OF WATER ON YOUR SHIRT then it is wet.
If water is not wet then does that mean it’s dry?
semantics; scientifically water molecules adhere to each other in a process called "wetting". Plus if you put Ice (which is water) into a glass of water, is the ice not wet???
Water is wet.
@@TheBlackAztec3 No, there is no effect it neither dry or wet. It's just a liquid that makes other things wet. Saying water is wet is implying there is a dry state which there is not.
@@juneBug-kage No, water is the liquid that makes other things wet and let's say we take one molecule of the water by itself it isn't wet because it is the liquid that makes other things wet. Also for the ice you are temporarily changing its property into a solid so therefore it isn't the same. While the surface of a ice can be wet it can also be dry at the beginning stages. When water is a liquid it cannot be dry.
Is fire hot?
This is why I think there should be a standardized way of ranking teams, so that everyone can know exactly why every team is ranked where they are.
What we’re also seeing concurrently with the growing pains of the new system… is the effects of the portal & NIL on the power structure of the conferences, and we’re seeing the SEC - which has been the better and richer conference historically - affected first (and most).
Because they’ve been so talent-laden, they’re more vulnerable to the free and ez transfer of highly talented non-starters… and the previous depth that made them better than everyone else is dissipated… and every other SEC team gets better.
So, the Big 10 is next for that process… with IN, IL, Wisky, USC, Iowa catching the ‘big3’, and providing round-robin L’s down the road.
With teams like miami not playing a single ranked opponent all season. They will always get exposed.
Get your facts straight before spewing nonsense. Miami beat Louisville at Louisville and they are ranked 19th. 😂
@johns1367 Except that Loiusville was not ranked when Miami beat them with help from the refs like they won against Cal, Virginia Tech and then lost to Georgia Tech.
@johns1367 dude, how many times you gonna be wrong? 1. Louisville wasn't ranked when miami struggled out a w 2. They are ranked 22nd not 19th lol. It doesn't matter cause my statement stands. 0.00 ranked wins all season. You casuals crack me up.
@@seekingthetruth2748 you crack me up. So we should credit Georgia teach for beating the #10 Florida state team when they played. Get out of here with that tomfoolery. Louisville lambasted Clemson who everyone was crowning the gold standard in the ACC and have only lost to Notre dame and SMU. And look up Miami’s SOS compared to the top 12 teams before you utter their name again.
@@Travis-vl7sg look throne of liar, Louisville is ranked #19 in the only poll that matters. The college football playoff poll knucklehead. 😂
Oh wow, something FSU fans said back in 2014 and then again last year...
Love the show! This is a bad take Josh.
That fight analysis was super on point, agreed 👍🏽
Poor Jessie getting beat ul ´´p by a 13 year old.
All I hear is cope
Nah he’s got a good point. A handful of teams in the top 12 at the moment have pretty light schedules compared to some other teams that are better and have had to play better. It also needs to be addressed or else teams are gonna start to stop scheduling these good out of conference games. I gotta say, I love those games, let’s everybody kinda compare teams across conference, and usually makes for some pretty good football. I’m for whatever makes for better football games.
Nobody has better wins than Alabama. We would beat anybody now that were playing like were capable.
RTR
I think you’re thinking about it too one-dimensionally. A lot of times the “reward” is having these games against top teams make you better. A&M is a better team precisely because Notre Dame exposed to them exactly what they need to improve on and where they were deficient, so they’ve been able to spend the whole season working on just that
Your fight analogy sounds like the Oklahoma team Tennessee had to beat vs what they have looked like and gotten credit for being 'bad' since...
When Florida State was left out last year it set a precedent that the committee will put in the best TV matchups that are justifiable. That’s why Miami is at #9 and SMU is #14.
I appreciate the Jessie fight analogy (poor Jessie) GeoTech beating FSU in week zero was a huge win- fast forward and nobody thinks that was an upset. FSU was thought to be strong (a “+” on a strength of schedule opponent) but after SMU beat the snot out of them and DJU got hurt FSU became a “-“ on strength of schedule for not just everyone going forward, but even for GeoTech retroactively. Same with the LSU theory- playing a team while they are hot/ranked/undefeated/pre-injuries should count for a “+” win instead of a “-“ retroactively after that team’s season spirals for whatever reason.
I know I'm biased but does anyone think that Tennessee wouldn't wipe the floor with Indiana and BYU?
Yes I don’t think Tennessee would wipe the floor with Indiana and BYU. Both of those teams are much better than Arkansas and Florida who Tenn struggled against. Tenn would probably win against both those teams, but it would absolutely be close.
@@TMAC803210casual
I think Tennessee could handle IU,though I think BYU could give Tennessee a run for its money.And while I would pick UT to win,I also wouldn't be very shocked if BYU were to win.Thier defense is legit
@@TMAC803210Both of those teams are worse than Arkansas and Florida lmao. Of course BYU and Indiana look like studs against the garbage they play(besides smu). Florida has been looking good against quarlity teams as of late
@@JacksonFitzthat byu defense hasnt played a high powered strong offense like Tennesse has. Of course they look good
Oh And By the way.... You have by far the best show on this cluttered up venue.
Shame on the SEC for being MID this year
They aren’t mid though lol they are all great the issue is that they are not all on the same level in conference so while they all are great teams they cannot all be ranked as they cannot all be winning. Likewise someone has to lose and ironically the only SEC team with an out of conference lost is to a top 7 ranked Notre Dame. It’s not bias it’s truth. The SEC this year is much better than last year. The problem is they all have tougher schedules than almost every other conference so it’s easier to lose. Avg and mid teams are honestly being rewarded for bad play and terrible opponents while great teams are being penalized for playing better competition.
@@ramsnroses_tv334PAC-12 said this back in the day when they canibalizes themselves. Y’all got this year to prove that you aren’t just the new PAC-12.
@ so your admitting you were wrong and no we are not like the pac-12 in that we had ranked teams all year long beginning to end and in the top 10 they didn’t outside of Oregon and Arizona. Also we had championship teams every year for the past 20 something they haven’t had. It isn’t the same no is every team always great year in to year out no but season to season the sec is always great they just knock each other off and still end up having a championship team no other conference has done that. But we will see my man
The SEC isn't MID, they did was the BIG10 needs to do and realign the teams and bring balance, so Indiana isn't undefeated while playing zero ranked opponents.
The BIG is currently down with only 2 elite teams, OSU and Ducks. PennSt cant beat a top 10 team. Franklin is like 0-4000 against good team's. PennSt coasts on a MID schedule until they play a single good team or 2, lose and go 10-2, 11-1.
Anyone is delusional to think Indiana would be undefeated playing, Georgia, USC (Carolina), LSU, TN or maybe Texas. Texas beat Michigan by 19 and pulled their starters. Indiana beat Michigan by 5. Georgia who is currently outside looking in beat Texas. If your schedule in conference is cupcake, don't schedule non-conference cupcakes.
The point Josh was making is the committee needs to punish teams with very light schedules. Yes teams are up and down, but if you have to rely on a single team "is just down" to justify your schedule being awful, well, your schedule IS awful.
@@ramsnroses_tv334Oklahoma State over Arkansas? Or did you mean USC over LSU?
Boise State is being punished for playing #1 Oregon. Which most know Boise should have won that game. Boise was better in the trenches.
And they were competitive the entire game. Unlike Georgia, LSU, or Alabama loses. BSU should be respected
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I get what you’re saying when it comes to Penn State and IU appearing to be ranked highly, but who would you put over them? IU has a weak schedule but beats the brakes off every team they play, and Penn State’s only loss is to the #2 team.
There’s an argument to be made for BYU, but 7-11 all have losses to unranked programs. Sure, they have tougher schedules and some ranked wins, but Tennessee lost to Arkansas, ND lost to NIU, Miami lost to GT, Bama lost to Vandy, and Ole Miss lost to Kentucky. Just doesn’t make sense to move any of these teams up when they’ve slipped against the type of teams Indiana and Penn State have beat.
You just made his point! Alabama, TN, etc play such strong schedules that it is tough to stay up and healthy for every game, so they slip against a Vandy.
Proof TAMU come into the SEC and have been middle of the road since they got here. In the lighter Big12, they had good and great years. Now Texas and Oklahoma have moved over and Oklahoma is dead and Texas took a bad loss to Georgia. If you play 12 cupcakes you are in pretty good shape.
Texas A&M sucked the soul out of LSU..not Alabama
To be fair, let's just name the 1 through 10 Teams from the SEC and then the BIG 10 and BIG 12 Champions as 11 and 12 in the CFP Rankings. I know that probably wouldn't satisfy the SEC.
Notre Dame cannot help it if it did not foresee down the road that Florida State , Georgia Tech ,Virginia, Stanford and USC, North Carolina… would have somewhat dismissive teams. All these schools ,usually have very good football teams.
The committee isn't the same every year.
Just as soon as somebody decides to schedule all cupcakes the committee will decide to reward tough schedules.
So far this particular committee thinks it doesn't matter who you play as long as you win.
If Tennessee beats Georgia they are #1 in the SEC great! If they lose they'll be like #14 and out of the playoffs? These people are like the government. No matter what you do with the playoffs format the committee will mess it up.
Miami should be a culinary school with all them cupcakes 🧁 🧟🤣🤣
Everyone’s top 25 is flawed. For example LSU should not even be in it.
Based off what? They have 2 top 25 wins over South Carolina and Ole Miss who just knocked off UGA. LSU absolutely belongs in the top 25. Just say you don't know ball next time
@@ThunderMichaels😂
Mock Indiana all you want - Miami got away with a cupcake schedule... and nobody says jack - complete BS!!!
They didn't get away with anything. They lost and got dropped. And if they win the ACC championship, none of that matters anyways.
Can you make your own strength of schedule ranking?
WIN YOUR CONFERENCE and theres no issues. Its simple now. If you cant win your own conferece, you have zero business talking about how you got screwed out of a national championship.
The summary of the video is ranking the teams is impossible because they don’t all play each other. Josh hates every way that we gauge teams because all the ways are flawed.
Ok Josh at this point just post your own weekly CFP RANKINGS not ratings like everyone else so we all know what you think of wins or SOS. It does not have to be this difficult…
Here is the problem with putting too much weight on strength of schedule over merit (aka quality losses over wins). Yes, some teams have stronger schedules, but teams don’t have equal opportunity to have a strong schedule. The SEC/B1G have concentrated the power teams, thus ensuring they will have harder schedules typically. Those who have been left out in other conferences have to play the hand dealt to them. What more can they do than beat them all?
If the SEC/B1G teams’ tougher schedule leads to higher probability of a loss, should the non-SEC/B1G teams be punished for that? After all, these SEC/B1G schools chose this. They valued money against the risk of losses. So they shouldn’t cry foul when the risk payment comes due. Go console yourself with your pile of conference TV$$.
Back in the BCS days we used to say that it’s a playoff every week. So now we should look at it like if you lose, you fall to the consolation bracket. Don’t make excuses, just fight your way back and either win your conference to ensure you get in, or pray the CFP gods give you a 2nd chance with an at large bid. But they don’t owe you anything because you lost. If you don’t want to be subject to their judgment, win your games.
Otherwise, get out of the way so that we can have a playoff with the teams who HAVEN’T lost in order avoid the problem college football has always had of leaving teams unbeaten at the end of the year without the chance to be Cinderella and win a championship.
You have to bring some form of parity to CFB.
Maybe that means grabbing the best G5 teams for a conference to replace the Pac12 and then that conference and the P4 just play each other. We go back to the P5 and the CFP makes a rule that they won't count FCS or the other remaining G5 teams as wins. So teams that schedule those weak schedules and teams will have 2 - 3 less wins.
Also by not playing the G5 or FCS every game by default would be a P5 match up.
Also assume the conferences are capped at 18 and then we rank all 90 teams so there isn't any question where these ranked wins are at the end of the year. If that happens it should be very easy to calculate.
Incorporating a divisional/tiered league, like European soccer, would help eliminate so many of the consistently voice dramas.
Big 10? Might be Michigan AD that’s in charge… we heard you.
The reason the people who think the system is flawed is because they expect the top 12 teams to be from the SEC. The SEC has good teams this year, but none are great and rewarding them with multiple 2 loss or a 3 loss team is not right regardless of their supposed strength of schedule. I saw your list and it had OSU w a SOS of 60th, playing 3 top 5 teams, really? Just because the SEC is beating each other doesn't mean they have all the best teams. Playing big games during the season does matter, especially when the big games are to teams that are actually good.
if josh pate has no fans, i am no longer alive🙏🏽
Who cares what the rankings look like in week 11, and why? Ranking systems will never please everyone.
Wait let me get this straight... do we not hear every single year including this one that the SEC losses mean less because of how tough the conference is? are we not talking about how Alabama and Georgia still have a shot to win it all with 2 loses? The committee is ABSOLUTELY taking strength of schedule into consideration
If they were taking strength of schedule into consideration Indiana wouldn’t be there.
Not really. Texas is #3 despite losing their only tough game. Penn St is #4 despite losing their only tough game, Indiana is #5 despite having ZERO tough games. Georgia is #12 despite having a ridiculous schedule and a win over #3 Texas...
Who would u replace alabama and georgia with then?
Notre dame and Miami at the very least
BYU and Indiana being ahead of Tennessee and Miami and ND being ahead of the 2 loss SEC teams say otherwise.
If it wasn't for the win over Texas A&M, Notre Dame would likely not be in the conversation at all due to their loss to N. Illinois. That win is definitely counting for something. Some people seem to think that "reward for scheduling big games" should equal "losses don't count at all." Which is nonsense. Everybody's got their panties in a twist about Georgia...have you watched Georgia play this year? This is the worst Georgia team since 2016. The only game this year where Georgia has looked like *Georgia* was that opener against Clemson. They had a great defensive performance against Texas, but their offense still couldn't put up 300 yards in that game. I'd say #12 for Georgia is probably about right, based on what we've seen.
Good nuanced take here. 10/10
Notre Dame also best Louisville (now ranked 15) and destroyed Navy shen it was ranked. Nortre Dame alsp plays a ranked Army team next week.
They would be an exaple of a team thst obviously deserves to be ranked ahead of Penn St, which has zero ranked wins.
Perhaps we should invite everyone to play in the SEC if we want them to play that schedule.
As long as you win a tough schedule you will be rewarded...but losses devalue your playoff prospect...you need to win...or lose 1
And win out...
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t conference champion get an auto bid? So if a team goes 0-4 OOC but wins the SEC, they get the auto bid?
So what I'm hearing is Vandy is the 13 year old that came along after Georgia's 2nd half almost-comeback against Bama. (Don't take it too serious, all respect to Vandy)
This logic makes no sense. Just because 4 years in the future I schedule lets say Michigan as an OoC game, doesn't mean Michigan will be a GREAT team. Last year? yes, this year? they are a .500 team. If you want a "true" playoff, then get rid of all at-large teams. Take conference champions only. Add 1 additional spot for any unaffiliated teams/independent teams (take top ranked team from that group). I am not sure why everyone is crying over the SEC this year - a whole bunch of 2 loss teams, with only 2 of them making the SEC championship game. If you can't win your conference, don't think you've got a shot at a National Championship. Then it takes the potential "sting" of high-profile early season games away.
You have to reward the B1G for playing 9 conference games, SEC only plays 8.
Oh nooo. Now sec teams will schedule 4 cupcake games instead of 3.
We already had very little marquee OOC matchups to begin with. Its not our fault the top two conferences wanted to stack powerhouse schools and now they're feeling the effect.
I think people lose sight of the big picture with this stuff. At the end of the day we want to see entertaining games. So I think the committee needs to reward those teams that play tough games that give us entertainment, not those teams that don’t play anyone of similar talent until the end of the year
Would doing away with the rankings and just use conference standings make more sense? That way the ND Vs A&M games can still happen. A tie breaker, a fair one, of course would be needed.
I hate that the Big 10 & SEC conference championship game won’t really matter, if Ole Miss, misses the game entirely, but then is still in, they will have had time off, but still made it
If Indiana beats Ohio State then the "weak scheduling" point is moot. The committee shouldn't meet until after conference championships anyway.
I've suspected Penn St. and Wisconsin for years. They don't win their conference much, and not anytime recently. The B1G usually has Ohio St winning it. The SEC has multiple national champions within, and more than the other conferences combined since 2000. Miami, BYU and Illinois would likely lose to either Alabama, Ole Miss, or Tennessee. Of this week's top SEC teams ranked, Georgia looks to be the weakest team, but could win it all.
I meant Indiana, not Illinois...
“Head to the bakery and load up on cupcakes” is an instant all-timer with how future schedules will be constructed 😂😂
The incestuous nature of College Football schedules makes the transitive comparison of teams incredibly hard. I don't envy anyone trying to make the playoff selections "FAIR".
Penn st and Texas needs to swap with Tenn and ND
Unfortunately for my Irish we can’t be higher than 5