2021 Polestar 2 0-100% DC Fast Charging Test Is Not Quite As Advertised
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- Kyle tests the DC Fast Charging curve of the Polestar 2 from 0-100% SoC. We love to do these nerdy deep dives of EV charging, let us know if you like them too!
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Wow! This DCFC test shows the main limitation of Polestar 2 in my opinion. In daily use most won’t ever run into this problem but on longer trips or if your rely on DC charging as your main form of charging, I’d recommend another EV. What do you think?
I would agree with this. I might only charge mine on a DCFC one to three times a year tops and in those cases I will just be adding 20-30% to make sure I can get back to my home without any issues. Typically, I generally only drive farther than that once a year and I would take my wife's ICE suv for that trip. Charging at home over night is much cheaper for me (approx. 1 cent per KWH), so I'd rather not charge anywhere else.
How comfortable was it on long trips? I would trade off charge times for comfort.
@@cadriver2570 watch the full review video. Spoiler: it’s great on long trips.
@@rarelyaccurate6252
1 cent per kilowatt hour? Wow!!
Where I live at night its 17 cent after 10pm but before that its 64 cents.
@@mamadouaziza2536 Yeah, 1 cent at least until December 2022, the subsidy may not be renewed beyond that. The cost between 11-6am is 6 cents per KWH and they give a 5 cent subsidy if you give the utility access to your smart charger that they work with (juicebox, chargepoint or a couple others) I estimated that the electricity cost is like $40-50 for 10,000 miles.
Did you see Polestar 2 just released OTA power upgrade? This video definitely deserves a "part 2" with the power upgraded!
I have a polestar 2 and I can confirm. I charged from 5-80% in 33 minutes. I have never seen that charging curve on the video’s of Björn and Kris and other reviewers. But it might be temperature related or something. 47 minutes to 80% is not representative for this car based on my own experiences. 30-35 minutes is more in line.
5:36 That's when the video actually starts.
Kris Rifa had the Polestar 2 charge from 10 to 80% in 38 minutes, and his most recent Model 3 charged from 10 to 80 in 35 minutes. But the P2 charging curve really crashes above 80%, and is really bad above 90%. Maybe Polestar can eventually be persuaded to improve that via OTA updates
On the other hand,
With the "new" LG battery.
Bjørn recorded the same range (224m+) in a Model Y, 70kWh pack, (10%smaller) at *120kph, 80mph*
It charged (V2) 6.5-90% in 44 minutes.
But.
At 80 vs 70 mph, over that range, it would arrive at the charging station 20 minutes in front of the Polestar.
In that 20 minutes, starting at the same 6.5% it added 54% charge (61% total)
So it could leave with 90% 26 minutes after the Polestar arrived (Polestar on about 58% from zero)
Alternatively, it could run with the Polestar (70 mph) and arrive with considerably more charge.
I should say, Bjørn was disappointed by the charging on this battery (so far) compared to the Panasonic and the CATL LFP packs.
So, the worst case Tesla wins.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Not good enough for me to choose a Tesla over a Volvo/Polestar. Much nicer cars than a Tesla. Plus Volvo and Northvolt are talking a 50% increase in energy density in a few years with 1000 km range.
Kyle your content is top notch! Keep up the good work
I just saw (August 2022) an announcement of a software update for the Polestar 2 that includes something that was described as "incremental speed improvements for DC fast charging". I would be very interested in hearing any reports on how that update may impact the charging curve that you documented almost a year ago.
Love all the info is gives while charging: completed time, current battery level, range, kW, amps, volts, and charge limit. That’s excellent.
I concur with E=MC^2. I have the Polestar 2 with V2.2 and the charge curve is much improved. I can charge from 10-80% in around 30-35 minutes and sustained peak charge up to about 37%. You should retest the P2 with the software 2.2. It is a really awesome car!!!
RE: cable cooling - I was just able to ask if a wet cloth would help since the air top was so hot during this test lol
With the new OTA Update 1.7, the charging curve is actually almost better than M3 and has pre heating function.
pretty sure on our recent UK trip we maintained about 150-140 on an ionity charger until about 30?
Yeah updates made this way better. I plugged in at 52% and hit 151kw for a few seconds
I have a Polestar 2 and have better curves than that. I've stayed at 150 until 20%, then 130kw until 60%.
Something wrong with that car you had or the charger or the conditions you was charging in.
In addition I've done 5-85% in 35mins
The new software update which Kris has tested in Norway very recently changes this test totally. The 1.7 update.
As this is a post firmware update, this is not good. There is a reason you see so many in Los Gatos, they cant go much further.
Could it be that the charging station itself is not delivering more than 50-60kWh?
Maybe this has been done before, but I’d be curious to see a comparison of the PS2, ID.4, MachE, Taycan and the Model 3 or Y in DC Fast Charge.
Given a protocol, EV Dave, Regular EV Dad and others could test and throw in the data and we could see how the different DCFC rates affect daily life and a Road Trip.
look at this, it have indirectly already been done.
th-cam.com/video/9gxcukAhIAU/w-d-xo.html
Polestar have since came out with software updates. Maybe its a good idea to review the range and charging speed again? Also can maybe compare the new 350kw update for the performance model too.
Damn waiting an hour in near 100deg heat
Posted May 2022. Have the recent software updates improved the charge curve? I am thinking about purchasing a Polestar 2 soon but the charging curve performance really concerns me.
Hi Kyle seeing you are in Germnay maybe try the Polestar on Ionity, the charging issues could be related to Electrify America issues with a Polestar N.A. car.
Yeah it have a funny charging curve, but it is pretty fast in Europe.
Also it charges 155kW not 150 kW with the update.
So I wonder if it is the dated version, as it was terrible.
I hope they fixed it by now. Have you tested it?
Pretty disappointing. Polestar did some things so right (driving dynamics, styling, comfort) but things that really matter like charge curve are clearly an after thought. The ID.4 has a better charging curve at a lower price point! This is nearly as bad as my 200k mile 2015 Tesla Model S...
My P*2 does not charge with the factory adapter. I have a 240V 50amps and it does not charge at all, however, with DCFC is different. it charges really well. any suggestions?
Is this something that can be improved with a future software update? I don't use DCFC much (don't road-trip often) but it would be nice to have this improved later with an OTA update.
In theory, yes. It’s technically possible for them to modify the curve.
In practice, Polestar/Volvo allows you to use almost all of the battery pack capacity with very little buffer on the top and bottom. So there’s a practical limit to how fast they can make the top end of the curve. I’m sure this decision was made to try to balance range+interior design/features vs. price. Smaller battery=more budget for fancy, so then smaller buffer makes the most range out of that smaller battery at the expense of DCFC speed at the top end.
They might be able to eek out some more speed after they see more data though… just don’t think it’ll be a ton.
Everytime I went on road trips, 20-80% was 35 minutes or under. The car is always ready before we finish eating + bathroom break. Always.
I think you got lucky. My car can take more than an hour to charge 20 to 80%. I am coming from a model 3 and overall I much prefer my Polestar. Wonderful car to drive and great interior, but they’ve got some major problems with charging. My road trips in California take a lot of planning now. In the Tesla didn’t even think about it.
Remember, the 450v top charge is not as high in the Polestar 2 as you think. It has 108 cells series so 450v is 4.17v/cell keeping it safely below 4.2v.
Limiting to under 4.2 does increase lifetime of battery though, reducing range degredation. They should however do this when you slowcharge, not when you fastcharge. Fastcharging is the few times where you want it to be fast and get up quickly, there should be options allowing 4.2v/cell in this case allowing a chargevoltage of 453.6v while still stopping the charge at around the same almost 100% SOC by monitoring the open cell voltage.
This may need an update. I've seen other people (e.g. Bjorn Nyland) that got 150kw at chargers on road trips. Also, Polestar preconditions the battery when you use the navigation to go to the station.
Great video. Charge curve needs to be improved.
Does anyone know if that's improved in the 2022 and 2023 models?
Did any of the software update address this charging problem?
5 mile range increments? Dude, I HATED that my VW did that with gasoline, and range anxiety wasn't really a thing in that car.
Hm yeah this wasn't the case for me the other day when i went to charge up a Polestar 2 at a 300kw charger. I had around 140kw/h starting from 23%. Probably related to some updates. This test is appreciated but the folks should not make up their mind solely based on this video now. According to my past charging experience (and others whom i've talked with) this charging cruve is NOT representative at all so it may just be related to other factors that compromise the charging speed.
Car message: "Low range. Do you want to find a charging station?" One minute later the same, and so on. While charging! Well done, Polestar ;-)
this wasn't with the lastest 1.7 update?
look for test for Tesla s plaid on V3
I find this very odd. Just took delivery of my PS2 LR DM two weeks back, and last week I started DC charging at 38% SOC, where I saw 155 kW until around 40%, but just as it hit 50% SOC did it dip below 100 kW.
Polestar has made *significant* improvements since this was shot.
How?
I’m currently renting a polestar 2. I can attest that his test is out accurate. It’s frustrating. I’m not sure about the software update.
How much would you rent the car for? Daily
I have had a totally different charging curve than you with speed upp to 152kW up until 27% at some times. I made a charging test video (latest one on my channel) where the clarging from 10-80% took under 38 minutes. I did not get the full speed up to 27% that time, but still much higher than you seemed to get.
Wonder what can have caused the difference.
At 80% I had just over 50kW, but after that I almost never keep charging. The last 10-15% is really slow.
I have driven a roadtrip of 1000 miles (1600km) in one run and most of my stops where around 20-25 minutes, charging up to just around 60%, enough to go a few hours and reach another fast charger.
When on trip with family the car often is over 80% before my kids are done eating etc. :)
The car you tested had the charging update. It still doesn't charge like any other EV.
The cells in the car have a magificently low internal resistance and it appears from all the calculations it should do 10-80% at a steady 140-150kW in 28 minutes max. It does not.
Getting an average of 110kW is not too shabby though, still well below advertised and if you arrive with 30% and you need 70% to get to the next charger you are in for a long wait.
I find it very difficult, to charge the P2 to 100% with the included on 110v AC. It gets really slow. It's okay with the level 2 charger.
All electric cars are slow on 110v charging..
110v is only available in a third world country’s
@@doddsalfa I meant 120... fat fingered it.
About time you cleaned that Tesla windscreen👍
Curious what the 0-80% on a Model Y is on V2 supercharger. I have one so I could go test it 😂 feels like it’s in the 40 min range but I could be crazy. Would be cool to start a chart to compare, that’s easy to pause and analysis.
if you charge a Tesla 80-100% it is one of the slowest charging cars on DC. Then again why spend all that extra time and money on something so stupid charging so high.
Efficient driving with any Tesla is charge it to 65% then go and stop to charge again.
Its actually alot faster than people think... Still not as fast as going with a fossile fuelled car
My 2015 Model S can put 125 miles in the battery in 30 minutes on a V2 supercharger, which roughly takes me to 175 miles total range, from 50, which is when I usually pull into a supercharger. That is about 70% of my total battery capacity in its current age and health.
Based on my calculations, the Volvo put about 127 miles into the battery in 30 minutes, based on Kyle's total battery capacity of about 220 miles.
It's amazing that my 6 year old Tesla still nearly matches today's competition in charging.
@@joemcdonough7509 and still Tesla is slower than a Audi Etron on a 350kW charger...
Volvo don't advertise to be fast charging more than with 150kW...
Only Tesla believes they have something world leading...
Let's see after all the lawsuits...
This is not consistent to my experience on my PS2. Perhaps it’s the older software in this video?
Take a look at the pack voltage as it charges. It actually backs off from 405v at 11% SOC to 403v so basically it is reducing the peak pack voltage allowed in rough steps as it charges. This is opposite to almost every other EV maker on the market. The only place where peak pack voltage should be a bit carefully limited is at the higher SOC's like 70-80% and up as high voltages at high SOC is degrading pack more than the rest of the charging. I own one of these and the charging is a lemon. It is the worst thing about the car. A quick top-up when you are out for a longer drive wastes 2.5x as much time as it has to.
Lose the annoying snow screens. Not an improvement.
Huh ? My 7 year old p85 has a similar charging curve and its paid for and I get supper charging for free.
Apart from getting a full Charge Curve Data Chart (and Fastned have already done this for the Polestar 2 on a 150kW charger) I am not sure what benefit this test performs. I don't know of ANY EV owner that would charge on DC to 100%. A bit of a waste of time charging above 80% on DC surely.
Yes, after 90 it significantly drops char going speed.
Fun to drive and a pain to charge makes for Kyle a sad guy. 🎯
Still better than a bolt
Well, that’s a nope. What a bummer.
The “completes at” time on the dash is all over the place. The sign of a poorly coded software stack
Why don't you do 10-80% tests? That would be much more real-world. It's going to be hard enough educating new EV owners not to tie up chargers on busy days when people are waiting as they wait patiently for that 100% without reviews like this setting a bad example for them.
36% charging at 104KW
Kris Rifa did a charging test on a Tesla Y LR in Norway. Way worse that this
I dont own a PS2. Dont know if I'd want one. But this test seems silly. You drove it hard to get it drained. Let it sit there and drain (no cooling air), its almost 100 degrees outside, and keeping it hot. I doubt the mustang or other cars were beat up that bad just before charging.
It does pre-condition the battery if you have the heat pump optioned. This I know. And with 230 range doesnt look like you have the latest OTA update either.
Try and do better instead of producing fluff.
I recently rented a 2021 Polestar 2, no matter what the SOC was, it never went above 64kW, ambient was high 70’s. Disappointing that it took a long time to charge. Your 20-80% took 38 mins, NOT GOOD! My experience was even longer 20-80%
Completes at is moving a lot!
Wow that is the sketchiest thing I've ever seen! YIKES!!
Very disappointing! Imagine the cost of DCFC if you are paying by the minute.
Very disappointing such high hopes shot down
Great way to damage your battery. Drain to zero and charge to 100. Nothing new here. This battery acted like all others. The less stressful and fastest charging occurs between 20 amd 80 percent. Never let it go go to zero. And only time to top out is before a long trip and this is not done often.
You started at 5:27 pm and you only gained 20% 45 miles in 1 hour??!!! That sucks. Just get a Tesla Model 3 SR. My Volkswagen E-golf could hit 90% in under 25 minutes.
Oh my god Isaw this video on my tv from far away you look like aging wheel hhhh
Who else saw Mr. Beast in the thumbnail for a second?
This is not good
Go to 5:50 of video. Cars clock goes from 5:30 PM to 6:30 PM and that’s when charging starts going lower. This seems super sketchy on the creators part.
You think this car looks amazing?.....looks to me like a Dodge Charger EV - bad styling, thick pillars, dull stamping. uninspired.
Terrible charging rate.
Polestar 2 sucks. They should’ve left the name on a strip club. Polestar? I mean, really? Hello Volvo. Sounds like the name of the club in Hustlers.
How can a 30-40 minute charge to 75-80% be considered normal during every day work week? If you can’t charge over night at home then your life has to revolve around charging this after work. Does Biden understand this? Forget even the out of town charging problems. To me you either have a home or apartment with charging availability or electric is not currently feasible.
Its feasible while your fat @ss is at the gym for an hour and you go grocery shopping after that...
A lot of cities now have multiple chargers curb side right in front of apartment building, restaurants, movie theaters etc.. Also, you don't need to always charge to 80 or even 100 percent if you can't spare the time, just charge to as much as your time and or patience allows.. You can always charge up the next day or later in the week.
@@mamadouaziza2536 Yeah because we are all wealthy and belong to spas and don't have to freaking time in and out at our every day work. I got it. It works for folks that don't work for a living like you, and can go have a latte and eat while your expensive electric gets charged. Rest of us have to build our lives around a freaking means of transportation.