Came here for the butt wax, but stayed for the knowledge. Just at the beginning for learning if I do want to go in on something similar for my 2017 Giant Roam 0 with an xl frame. I love the bike, this seems like a great, fun project. This is a great channel and looks like I will be wasting lots of time watching when I should be working. Cheers!
Would there be any modification needed to the frame i.e grinding, to mount a BBSHD? Would the chain-line be OK to utilize all the gears on the rear cassette?
Yeh like to know, I have a Talon 2 & wanna get the BBSHD ,the chainwheel cant be too big as its close to the chainstay maybe 38 the biggest I think ,like to go gigger like 42 ,where does the gearshift sensor plug into,do u need a y connector
Did you need to grind down the channel where the cables run through the downtube in order to allow the motor to be rotated up more? I'm running into that with a BBSHD on a Giant Talon 1. OTOH, it looks like I can route all of the cables through the downtube for a super clean look.
Another nice build. I'm surprised it climbed as well as iit did, with that big stock chain ring and only a 28 tooth granny gear in back. I wouldn't climb a longer hill like that though.
Hi Johnny, could you tell me if you had any issues mounting the motor on the Giant Talon? There’s a lip/ overhang at the bottom of the downtube that people have had to grind off. Was that necessary for this you on this bike?
Got quite a few Giant stores here in Perth. I've been looking at the Talon 2, which has better shifters (shimano I think), and hydraulic disc brakes. Just need a few more $`s. Maybe next year.
I own a Talon 2 that I bought a year ago. Great bike for the money. Too bad they downgrade this year. Alivio, Rockshox, Hydraulic Disc make it a great donor. I want to stay with the 36 tooth for high climbing. It's a 2x9 which might work better on a conversion right?
Hi! did you have any issues with getting the motor on with the cables coming out around the bottom bracket? I can't tell from pictures where the cables come out that are routed internally. Thanks!
If I Could I would drop a link and show you what my 750 wat rear hub can do. heck, even my 500 watt climbed a 20 percent grade, not the fastest climb, but it went up the grade on throttle only, did I mention it was a 500 foot climb, one of those slow but killer climb.
Johnny I know you love the 29ers. My 2020 Talon 2 has Rockshox, Alivio, hydraulic disc brakes I got slightly used last spring for $600! I want to keep the 36t crank for maximum hill climbing. This is not intended to be a commuter. If top speed is 25-28 that's fine. Hopefully the 2x9 with 11x36 cassette 22/36 crank creates a better gear ratio with BBS02 build you have here? Good Donor? I do have cables going into the frame that could get pinched by the motor right? Great videos! I hope to see a Talon 2 build soon!
I want to buy the new bafang motor but i'm concerned the battery will be too big for the inside of my frame. can u please do a quick vid and show the size opening it will need?
Hey Johnny, love your page. OK I got a Cannondale Super V 400 that I converted a few months back and I love it. Your page was one of my fav goto pages. Anyway, I bought new wheels and the insides are 19MM and was wondering whats the fattest tires you'd recommend. 26 inch wheel. And, do you have some advice on the battery maintenance. I scrolled thru your videos with battery in the search but I didnt see one for maintenance, such as do I top it off after a ride, do I charge the day before a ride. Do I keep it in the garage or in the house at house temp etc.
Nice build. Where I'm at it's hard to find a good used bike to convert. People want way too much for their used 15-20 year old bikes, or their bikes they bought in the last couple years at Dicks.
A stock Giant Talon bike starts at $700....Bafang Motor is $800......Battery starts at $400 (for a super-cheapie)....Add chain ring, wiring, connectors/display and other items....and this is $2000 or more build..... but still beats lots of "pre-built" e-bikes, though. The tough parts as of this writing is getting the parts in a timely manner. I had a Honda Mower in the shop for a belt and it took 5 weeks for the part to come in......
OK. First off...thanks for all the videos you post and for spreading the message that, under the right circumstances, better custom E-bikes can be purchased for less money than the commercial brands. And I enjoy your sense of humor in the videos. However...having said that...I'd like to raise the following issues that are not covered in your videos that I think should be covered: 1. Bafang forums are loaded with posts bemoaning the "on-off" characteristic of the Bafang throttles. Some folks have talked about custom settings using the program cable and tweaking software. Sometimes when I watch your short hill climb it appears as if you're laid out over the handle bars to keep the front wheel on the ground (and even then, sometimes, it looks as if the wheel still pops up). Can you please address this issue and what settings, if any, do you customize to make the throttle more manageable? (For some reference...I was looking at a Luna foldable bike (BBSO2) and there's a review where the guy had to take 3 or 4 stabs at going up a hill from a dead stop in the middle of the hill using throttle only because his bike was just so uncontrollable. He also talked about the bike once having throwing him off because of the amount of torque when he engaged the throttle. That's just insane, IMO.) 2. What about E-bike specific chains vs the chains the come with the bikes you convert? Do you recommend swapping out for E-bike specific chains? And given the power of these bikes what is the average chain life (assuming no abuse and knowledge of how to use gears properly) of even the best E-bike specific KMC chains? And every time a chain needs to be replaced the cassette cogs need to be replaced as well, and some argue that the chain ring needs to be replaced -- the entire drive train. That gets costly. On average, how often do you feel the drive train needs to be replace? (And I know...it depends on the way a person rides the bike, the rider's weight, terrain, how much they ride, how much maintenance they do, etc. My best guess from my own experience would be anywhere between every six months to once a year, give or take. Does that sound about right?) 3. Chain rings. You sometimes mention chain ring options and sizes, etc. But when I was pouring over the Trek spec sheets for the Marlin and the Roscoe I noticed something that seems to run a bit contrary to some chain ring recommendations/options. They specifically list: "MAX CHAIN RING SIZE" for the bikes they're selling. And it depends on whether it's a 1x or a 2x or a 3x chain ring set up. For example, for the Marlin 6: 1x/2x: Max chain ring 34T. 3x: 42T. It would seem to me that when you do a review you should factor in that kind of information because, unless I'm reading it wrong, it would limit the chain ring options. Because I'd already decided I wanted the Lekke 42T, but since it's on a 1x, not a 3x, the 42T would seem to not be workable on that bike. Similarly, it would be helpful if you addressed any chain line issues on a particular build, and how you solved the issues, along with any "surprises" -- like cable guides underneath the BB that blocked the motor from fitting into the BB properly, etc. Also, some people seem to feel the need to add additional motor mount supports (those ugly silver automotive cable clamps, for example) to keep the motor from slipping. Do you ever have to do that on your builds? 4. Tires. What about E-bike specific tires vs regular non-E-Bike specific tires? And tubeless vs tubed tires. 5. Shifting. On my Yamaha Urban Rush I have a system that's really dialed in and works pretty much as if I were riding a regular bike. It's a 20 speed and I've gotten the extrapolated range of over 150 miles on rolling terrain at an average speed of around 17mph, +/-. , on a single charge. I try to put the least amount of stress on the motor and even though it's only a 250 watt mid drive with around 80nm of torque I can climb just about any on-road incline (I've never had to get off and walk the bike) with decent enough range. So I think I have a pretty good feel for how to ride/shift an E-bike. (I'm satisfied with the Yamaha; I'm just looking for a bike that could average 22mph vs 17 mph to keep up with the strongest club non-E-bike riders. I'm in between -- I'm faster than the B riders but can't quite keep up with the A riders.) But reading the Bafang forums I keep getting conflicting opinions when it comes to the Bafang big boy mid drive motors. Some people insist that they just leave the chain on the biggest cog (lowest gear) and don't even bother to shift. They say it puts the least amount of stress on the motor. That's fine for hills but it seems to be totally off when it comes to flats and rolling terrain. I'm also confused when I hear people say that the higher the RPM of the motor the better. That seems counter-intuitive. My most comfortable bike cadence is between 95 and 105 rpms. I'm more of a spinner than a masher, at least on an E-bike. So I do tend towards higher cadences, but is that the same as a motor's rpm? Are those two things related or just coincidental? 6. Cables: You often show (on your more detailed builds) the extra cable lengths being bundled up and tucked away somewhere. But why don't you simply cut the cables to the proper length and add appropriate sized connectors and eliminate the mess? I know you can't make 2 hour dramas every time you post, but I think these are important relevant issues that will help people make better, more informed choices and avoid disappointment and frustration down the road.
1-the included throttle is a bit more like a light switch than a proper throttle. However, there are plenty of options for better throttles with more modulation. I rarely use my throttle so for me it isn't an issue. 2- I use the cheap KMC 8.1 chains on my bike and they work awesome. 500-1k miles in between chains. I only replace the chain when it brakes. That though process of replacing everything is more of a motorcycle type behavior, not e-bike IMO 3-chainring guidelines apply to non-motorized chainrings, by adding a motor the chainline is totally different thereby ruining the guidelines. I only use motor mounts on cyclone builds. Bafang doesnt need them. 4-I ride regular tires, Ebike rated are better though, but similar to the chain philosophy IMO. I like tubed tires running with Tannus inserts. 5- a 500w motor or more will easily get you a 22mph avg. Leaving it in one gear is: Lazy and inefficient IMO. You dont sound like either so dont worry about that. RPMis usually 120-140 on Bafang if Im not wrong. Most people pedal around 60-80 RPM so in theory the motor is only at half Max RPM for most people, Having the Motor spin faster is better for the motor, (benefitting you it sounds like) 6-That would take forever, totally doable though.
@@JohnnyNerdOut Thanks for the quick, honest, thoughtful responses. It definitely helps me figure out how to move forward with this project. (The other thing about the Yamaha is that it doesn't have a throttle. Having ridden some of my other E-bikes that have throttles has kind of spoiled me -- at least until I shed off the 2020 lock down fat and get in better shape.)
Johnny, glad you have a video on a Talon because I saw a good deal on a used Talon 3 which is the 27.5 version of the bike. I am going to make an ebike out of it rather than my Zaca by KHS. I love it. The low gear is 34T on my Talon 3. Mine has hydraulic brakes.
Dude thanks for the video...ive really been struggling trying to find the bike for me. I'm fairly mechanical, but have never made an ebike like this before. Is it pretty simple? I think I might go this route instead of buying a pre-made Chinese bike...
It is fairly simple. Most of it is plug and play with the bbso2/bbshd’s. With 30$ worth of basic tools, and maybe some soldering if you want to change/connect different battery connectors (anderson to xt-90 for example).
Johnny, are those Bafang throttles really just an on/off switch? That's what mine acts like. These build videos are great for helping folks select a donor bike.
Johnny, what bike do you ride? Do you ever use a different controller with the bbshd? I have a bbshd with a bac 855 controller and 72v battery and it's a total beast. Pulling close to 4kw. Nothing like the standard bafang anymore, it's a totally different animal. I'm just waiting for my cyc x1 pro to turn up now with the bac 2000 to test that🙂
Benno carryon with bbshd 52v. I worry too much about reliability these days to overvolt it. I’m definitely interested to see how your holds up though. Do you still have proper PAS with theBAC?
@@JohnnyNerdOut I'm nearly 2500 miles in and not one issue with the motor itself. Changed 3 chains, 2 cassettes and that's it. Oh, and I changed the nylon gear to a peek gear when I first put the bac on as I knew the nylon would melt. Yes, pas still works perfectly fine too. You must know more than most how over built the HD is and it handles the extra power like a dream with no issues at all. I have got a temp sensor installed though that automatically dials back on the power if it gets too hot. If you want more from the HD, then this is the way forward for sure. If u do upgrade please make sure you make a vid, I'd love to see your reaction to what the HD can actually achieve. 👍👊
Great work! Question, Do you add a shim to the BB shell since the axel of the Bafang diameter is smaller?? Doesn't it over time destroy the BB threads and get loser unless there is some kind of shimming? Thanks!
Just in case you didn't know the battery case in this video. Is not put together properly. Anything else i can't see the quality of the build. water will easy get inside that battery pack now. and for the cosmetic it doesn't look good.
go to Johnnynerdout.com and order! you can book a consultation with me if you need help picking out the best components for your specific bike and riding style
Depends what you vaping, I prefer rosin pressed by myself, This bike has potential, Dont think it got big talons tho, More like sparrow or robin feet, Could be seagull feet when you hit some hard trails tho, lol... Jokes its not that bad of a bike, I like the shorter wheelbase, or it looks shorter lol, not really sure been vaping, Lol....
Lot of information. I guess the basic Talon? You admit to the BAK cells, which means a Chinese cell. No reason not to, but the brand guys seem to go out of their way to diss the Chinese cells. I have a version of this bike, with an LFP pack I made. I worry about the Bafang stuff. (8Fun is changing into No Fun.) Since they moved to the newer versions of HD and 02, they are bundling batteries. I don't like that at all. Bafang and Eunorau are partnered on some stuff. Eunorau has tons of DIY like MAC. The Chinese are getting incredibly aggressive and they have some great products. I hope they just sell the same old 02, just the kit, forever. I love the 02, really, just an all around great motor for the Average Guy/Gal. The price you quote is fantastic. Until Bafang gets nasty. Steep hill, standing start. Tough stuff.
Yes BAK is a "premium" Chinese cell. @3300mah per cell it rivals LG and Samsung cells. Almost more importantly than the type of cells used in a pack is who assembled it? Good cells mean squat if an eight year old soldered it together.... Thanks for your input :) Time will tell how this new kit fairs.
I ended up with this one Johnny from Hopkins Ebike Design . Thanks for all the help & emails. I might change the gears though
Dude knows his audience, Brazilian Butt wax videos and Vape Charging. Thanks JNO!
Came here for the butt wax, but stayed for the knowledge. Just at the beginning for learning if I do want to go in on something similar for my 2017 Giant Roam 0 with an xl frame. I love the bike, this seems like a great, fun project. This is a great channel and looks like I will be wasting lots of time watching when I should be working. Cheers!
😂
Would there be any modification needed to the frame i.e grinding, to mount a BBSHD? Would the chain-line be OK to utilize all the gears on the rear cassette?
Yeh like to know, I have a Talon 2 & wanna get the BBSHD ,the chainwheel cant be too big as its close to the chainstay maybe 38 the biggest I think ,like to go gigger like 42 ,where does the gearshift sensor plug into,do u need a y connector
Did you need to grind down the channel where the cables run through the downtube in order to allow the motor to be rotated up more? I'm running into that with a BBSHD on a Giant Talon 1. OTOH, it looks like I can route all of the cables through the downtube for a super clean look.
Hi were you able to install the motor ok? Did you get the 68 mm one? Thank you
Another nice build.
I'm surprised it climbed as well as iit did, with that big stock chain ring and only a 28 tooth granny gear in back. I wouldn't climb a longer hill like that though.
How do you avoid pinching the wire under the bottom bracket when fitting the motor? I’ve seen some suggest a rubber wedge ?
Hi Johnny, could you tell me if you had any issues mounting the motor on the Giant Talon? There’s a lip/ overhang at the bottom of the downtube that people have had to grind off. Was that necessary for this you on this bike?
You set a good example by wearing your helmet. Good man.
Always 😀
Got quite a few Giant stores here in Perth. I've been looking at the Talon 2, which has better shifters (shimano I think), and hydraulic disc brakes. Just need a few more $`s. Maybe next year.
I own a Talon 2 that I bought a year ago. Great bike for the money. Too bad they downgrade this year. Alivio, Rockshox, Hydraulic Disc make it a great donor. I want to stay with the 36 tooth for high climbing. It's a 2x9 which might work better on a conversion right?
Hi! did you have any issues with getting the motor on with the cables coming out around the bottom bracket? I can't tell from pictures where the cables come out that are routed internally. Thanks!
No issues. There is enough space to snake them between the motor and frame nicely 👍
If I Could I would drop a link and show you what my 750 wat rear hub can do.
heck, even my 500 watt climbed a 20 percent grade, not the fastest climb, but it went up the grade on throttle only, did I mention it was a 500 foot climb, one of those slow but killer climb.
Good review - glad to see you are using an egg protector! :)
Hey Johnny, great info, thanks so much. What size front chain ring did you use for this build.
Likely a 44t
7 speed does reduce chain cross over though, better ratios with some bigger climbing cogs would be ideal.
Hi I have a 2019 cypress it has a weird curve on the bottom will the bafang fit and not bottom out 7" only got when I tryed it,help.
Is the Giant Talon 3? Because I have the same bicycle and would like to convert it with a Bafang motor
Johnny I know you love the 29ers. My 2020 Talon 2 has Rockshox, Alivio, hydraulic disc brakes I got slightly used last spring for $600! I want to keep the 36t crank for maximum hill climbing. This is not intended to be a commuter. If top speed is 25-28 that's fine. Hopefully the 2x9 with 11x36 cassette 22/36 crank creates a better gear ratio with BBS02 build you have here? Good Donor? I do have cables going into the frame that could get pinched by the motor right? Great videos! I hope to see a Talon 2 build soon!
How much range on 27.5 tires and 10 ah battery?
I want to buy the new bafang motor but i'm concerned the battery will be too big for the inside of my frame. can u please do a quick vid and show the size opening it will need?
great idea :)
I just Needed Out with King Nerd Out! 🤪🤘
Nice work as always. I have been looking for batteries on your website, any idea when you will be expecting a restock?
I’m hoping within a week🤞
@@JohnnyNerdOut My man! I'll keep an eye out.
A 27.5 rear wheel might get better torque for these 29er conversions.
yup
Hey Johnny, love your page. OK I got a Cannondale Super V 400 that I converted a few months back and I love it. Your page was one of my fav goto pages. Anyway, I bought new wheels and the insides are 19MM and was wondering whats the fattest tires you'd recommend. 26 inch wheel. And, do you have some advice on the battery maintenance. I scrolled thru your videos with battery in the search but I didnt see one for maintenance, such as do I top it off after a ride, do I charge the day before a ride. Do I keep it in the garage or in the house at house temp etc.
Treat a battery like a baby. Don't keep it too: full, empty, cold, hot for too long and it will live a long happy life.
Nice build. Where I'm at it's hard to find a good used bike to convert. People want way too much for their used 15-20 year old bikes, or their bikes they bought in the last couple years at Dicks.
A stock Giant Talon bike starts at $700....Bafang Motor is $800......Battery starts at $400 (for a super-cheapie)....Add chain ring, wiring, connectors/display and other items....and this is $2000 or more build..... but still beats lots of "pre-built" e-bikes, though. The tough parts as of this writing is getting the parts in a timely manner. I had a Honda Mower in the shop for a belt and it took 5 weeks for the part to come in......
motor is $480 @ johnnynerdout.com :) batteries start at $335 :)
OK. First off...thanks for all the videos you post and for spreading the message that, under the right circumstances, better custom E-bikes can be purchased for less money than the commercial brands. And I enjoy your sense of humor in the videos.
However...having said that...I'd like to raise the following issues that are not covered in your videos that I think should be covered:
1. Bafang forums are loaded with posts bemoaning the "on-off" characteristic of the Bafang throttles. Some folks have talked about custom settings using the program cable and tweaking software. Sometimes when I watch your short hill climb it appears as if you're laid out over the handle bars to keep the front wheel on the ground (and even then, sometimes, it looks as if the wheel still pops up). Can you please address this issue and what settings, if any, do you customize to make the throttle more manageable? (For some reference...I was looking at a Luna foldable bike (BBSO2) and there's a review where the guy had to take 3 or 4 stabs at going up a hill from a dead stop in the middle of the hill using throttle only because his bike was just so uncontrollable. He also talked about the bike once having throwing him off because of the amount of torque when he engaged the throttle. That's just insane, IMO.)
2. What about E-bike specific chains vs the chains the come with the bikes you convert? Do you recommend swapping out for E-bike specific chains? And given the power of these bikes what is the average chain life (assuming no abuse and knowledge of how to use gears properly) of even the best E-bike specific KMC chains? And every time a chain needs to be replaced the cassette cogs need to be replaced as well, and some argue that the chain ring needs to be replaced -- the entire drive train. That gets costly. On average, how often do you feel the drive train needs to be replace? (And I know...it depends on the way a person rides the bike, the rider's weight, terrain, how much they ride, how much maintenance they do, etc. My best guess from my own experience would be anywhere between every six months to once a year, give or take. Does that sound about right?)
3. Chain rings. You sometimes mention chain ring options and sizes, etc. But when I was pouring over the Trek spec sheets for the Marlin and the Roscoe I noticed something that seems to run a bit contrary to some chain ring recommendations/options. They specifically list: "MAX CHAIN RING SIZE" for the bikes they're selling. And it depends on whether it's a 1x or a 2x or a 3x chain ring set up. For example, for the Marlin 6: 1x/2x: Max chain ring 34T. 3x: 42T. It would seem to me that when you do a review you should factor in that kind of information because, unless I'm reading it wrong, it would limit the chain ring options. Because I'd already decided I wanted the Lekke 42T, but since it's on a 1x, not a 3x, the 42T would seem to not be workable on that bike.
Similarly, it would be helpful if you addressed any chain line issues on a particular build, and how you solved the issues, along with any "surprises" -- like cable guides underneath the BB that blocked the motor from fitting into the BB properly, etc. Also, some people seem to feel the need to add additional motor mount supports (those ugly silver automotive cable clamps, for example) to keep the motor from slipping. Do you ever have to do that on your builds?
4. Tires. What about E-bike specific tires vs regular non-E-Bike specific tires? And tubeless vs tubed tires.
5. Shifting. On my Yamaha Urban Rush I have a system that's really dialed in and works pretty much as if I were riding a regular bike. It's a 20 speed and I've gotten the extrapolated range of over 150 miles on rolling terrain at an average speed of around 17mph, +/-. , on a single charge. I try to put the least amount of stress on the motor and even though it's only a 250 watt mid drive with around 80nm of torque I can climb just about any on-road incline (I've never had to get off and walk the bike) with decent enough range. So I think I have a pretty good feel for how to ride/shift an E-bike. (I'm satisfied with the Yamaha; I'm just looking for a bike that could average 22mph vs 17 mph to keep up with the strongest club non-E-bike riders. I'm in between -- I'm faster than the B riders but can't quite keep up with the A riders.)
But reading the Bafang forums I keep getting conflicting opinions when it comes to the Bafang big boy mid drive motors. Some people insist that they just leave the chain on the biggest cog (lowest gear) and don't even bother to shift. They say it puts the least amount of stress on the motor. That's fine for hills but it seems to be totally off when it comes to flats and rolling terrain.
I'm also confused when I hear people say that the higher the RPM of the motor the better. That seems counter-intuitive. My most comfortable bike cadence is between 95 and 105 rpms. I'm more of a spinner than a masher, at least on an E-bike. So I do tend towards higher cadences, but is that the same as a motor's rpm? Are those two things related or just coincidental?
6. Cables: You often show (on your more detailed builds) the extra cable lengths being bundled up and tucked away somewhere. But why don't you simply cut the cables to the proper length and add appropriate sized connectors and eliminate the mess?
I know you can't make 2 hour dramas every time you post, but I think these are important relevant issues that will help people make better, more informed choices and avoid disappointment and frustration down the road.
1-the included throttle is a bit more like a light switch than a proper throttle. However, there are plenty of options for better throttles with more modulation. I rarely use my throttle so for me it isn't an issue.
2- I use the cheap KMC 8.1 chains on my bike and they work awesome. 500-1k miles in between chains. I only replace the chain when it brakes. That though process of replacing everything is more of a motorcycle type behavior, not e-bike IMO
3-chainring guidelines apply to non-motorized chainrings, by adding a motor the chainline is totally different thereby ruining the guidelines. I only use motor mounts on cyclone builds. Bafang doesnt need them.
4-I ride regular tires, Ebike rated are better though, but similar to the chain philosophy IMO. I like tubed tires running with Tannus inserts.
5- a 500w motor or more will easily get you a 22mph avg. Leaving it in one gear is: Lazy and inefficient IMO. You dont sound like either so dont worry about that. RPMis usually 120-140 on Bafang if Im not wrong. Most people pedal around 60-80 RPM so in theory the motor is only at half Max RPM for most people, Having the Motor spin faster is better for the motor, (benefitting you it sounds like)
6-That would take forever, totally doable though.
@@JohnnyNerdOut Thanks for the quick, honest, thoughtful responses. It definitely helps me figure out how to move forward with this project. (The other thing about the Yamaha is that it doesn't have a throttle. Having ridden some of my other E-bikes that have throttles has kind of spoiled me -- at least until I shed off the 2020 lock down fat and get in better shape.)
Been noticing all the derailers look to far forward shouldn't the chain be longer?
You should have 1 to 2 extra links when you’re in your lowest gear so it should be pretty tight in your lowest gear but not super tight
Another great build. BTW, do you have a link to that Brazilian Butt Wax channel - you cracked me up :-)
I have a 2021 29er talon 2 with a 1x. What size sprocket do you think I can go up to? It has a stock 32 teeth 133mm chain ring.
Johnny, glad you have a video on a Talon because I saw a good deal on a used Talon 3 which is the 27.5 version of the bike. I am going to make an ebike out of it rather than my Zaca by KHS. I love it. The low gear is 34T on my Talon 3. Mine has hydraulic brakes.
Jolly Dorkoff only answers like 1 out of a thousand questions.
Dude thanks for the video...ive really been struggling trying to find the bike for me. I'm fairly mechanical, but have never made an ebike like this before. Is it pretty simple? I think I might go this route instead of buying a pre-made Chinese bike...
It is fairly simple. Most of it is plug and play with the bbso2/bbshd’s. With 30$ worth of basic tools, and maybe some soldering if you want to change/connect different battery connectors (anderson to xt-90 for example).
This is so useful. Thank you.
Johnny, are those Bafang throttles really just an on/off switch? That's what mine acts like. These build videos are great for helping folks select a donor bike.
Thanks. I ride a Talon 2 that has two chain wheels up front. Would this conversion work on my bike?
Yes 👍
I have the same bike, is the bottle mount enough to mount the battery or do I need to drill an extra hole?
It’s enough
How much would a second battery pack be?
Wheres the controller panel?
Do you mean the display (on the handle bar) or the controller? (Attached to the motor)
@@JohnnyNerdOut inside the motor, thats very neat and tidy. Any overheating problems?
What tooth sprocket?
Would you recommend 750 or 1000?
How much would you charge for this
5:10 plus labor
Johnny, what bike do you ride? Do you ever use a different controller with the bbshd? I have a bbshd with a bac 855 controller and 72v battery and it's a total beast. Pulling close to 4kw. Nothing like the standard bafang anymore, it's a totally different animal. I'm just waiting for my cyc x1 pro to turn up now with the bac 2000 to test that🙂
Benno carryon with bbshd 52v. I worry too much about reliability these days to overvolt it. I’m definitely interested to see how your holds up though. Do you still have proper PAS with theBAC?
@@JohnnyNerdOut I'm nearly 2500 miles in and not one issue with the motor itself. Changed 3 chains, 2 cassettes and that's it. Oh, and I changed the nylon gear to a peek gear when I first put the bac on as I knew the nylon would melt. Yes, pas still works perfectly fine too. You must know more than most how over built the HD is and it handles the extra power like a dream with no issues at all. I have got a temp sensor installed though that automatically dials back on the power if it gets too hot. If you want more from the HD, then this is the way forward for sure. If u do upgrade please make sure you make a vid, I'd love to see your reaction to what the HD can actually achieve. 👍👊
I have a hardtail mtb ,I want to convert it to emtb with DYI motor with 150 nm how much is the weight of the motor and battery
About 15-20 lbs depending on which ones you go with
Does anyone know if u can drill in a battery on a carbon bike??? Or would it damage the structure??
I certainly wouldn’t do it 😟
Essentially that Talon is the same level as my KHS Zaca but mine has a lot more gears. My shifter is better. May make an e-bike into it.
Great work! Question, Do you add a shim to the BB shell since the axel of the Bafang diameter is smaller?? Doesn't it over time destroy the BB threads and get loser unless there is some kind of shimming? Thanks!
no, the axle is locked on so tight that it doesnt move at all. usually it is smaller by about 1mm so shims arent needed, sometimes you do though.
Are these ebike kits jumpable?
I wouldn’t get 8’ of air but ya.
Just in case you didn't know
the battery case in this video.
Is not put together properly.
Anything else i can't see the quality of the build.
water will easy get inside that battery pack now.
and for the cosmetic it doesn't look good.
If i wanted to order parts from you how would i do that ??
go to Johnnynerdout.com and order! you can book a consultation with me if you need help picking out the best components for your specific bike and riding style
Depends what you vaping, I prefer rosin pressed by myself, This bike has potential, Dont think it got big talons tho, More like sparrow or robin feet, Could be seagull feet when you hit some hard trails tho, lol...
Jokes its not that bad of a bike, I like the shorter wheelbase, or it looks shorter lol, not really sure been vaping, Lol....
_"Let's see if we can smooth out that granny sprocket so it needs replacement."_ 04:16
I realize geography plays a role but what's a fair labor cost to pay to put it all together?
300-400 for a Bafang kit I would say
Thank you sir
Great question! That's what I was wondering, so I could run the numbers.
Lot of information. I guess the basic Talon? You admit to the BAK cells, which means a Chinese cell. No reason not to, but the brand guys seem to go out of their way to diss the Chinese cells. I have a version of this bike, with an LFP pack I made. I worry about the Bafang stuff. (8Fun is changing into No Fun.) Since they moved to the newer versions of HD and 02, they are bundling batteries. I don't like that at all. Bafang and Eunorau are partnered on some stuff. Eunorau has tons of DIY like MAC. The Chinese are getting incredibly aggressive and they have some great products. I hope they just sell the same old 02, just the kit, forever. I love the 02, really, just an all around great motor for the Average Guy/Gal. The price you quote is fantastic. Until Bafang gets nasty. Steep hill, standing start. Tough stuff.
Yes BAK is a "premium" Chinese cell. @3300mah per cell it rivals LG and Samsung cells. Almost more importantly than the type of cells used in a pack is who assembled it? Good cells mean squat if an eight year old soldered it together....
Thanks for your input :) Time will tell how this new kit fairs.
Johnny get some knee pads on you crazy guy
Because butts sit on bike seats
I’m appalled you’re not wearing a life jacket 😉
How about a Stay-puff marshmallow costume? Or Pilsbury Dough boy? 🤣
Algorithm brought me here.
Thank you I own a giant talon…..
Your helmet does NOT count if it isn't "strapped in"!
Let’s GO BRANDON!
Vile stuff get instant dislike.
Help make the world better without the vile stuff.