Shiloh: Animated Battle Map

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  • @AmericanBattlefieldTrust
    @AmericanBattlefieldTrust  5 ปีที่แล้ว +280

    For our returning viewers, these are the same productions as before, just with our new American Battlefield Trust opening. We wanted a more cohesive look moving forward as our audience continues to grow. As always we appreciate your support and look forward to continuing to share our passion for American history.

    • @jackbailey9714
      @jackbailey9714 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that you switched the flags in some of your animations in the early parts of the video.

    • @joseocasio7705
      @joseocasio7705 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      American Battlefield Trust thks for upload 👍🎥

    • @monumentstosuffering2995
      @monumentstosuffering2995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A magnificent achievement, thank you.

    • @tuanvandersluis4433
      @tuanvandersluis4433 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      they should. brave solders died biliveing what is right.

    • @TheMaskedSam
      @TheMaskedSam 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      man, ur channel is way too undervalued wtf , u deserve much more subs

  • @k75romeofive
    @k75romeofive 3 ปีที่แล้ว +231

    I walked the Shilo battle field 3 weeks ago. I am a Vietnam combat veteran and the civil war places always seem sacred and somehow haunting to me. Having walked the ground and seen the maps here, I cannot help but feel the deepest respect for those men ( on both sides) that fought there.

    • @BigSkyCurmudgeon
      @BigSkyCurmudgeon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      you need to visit the Franklin Tenn Battlefield site. along with the Carter House. more generals were killed in that battle than any other fight.

    • @realgsdontdie5095
      @realgsdontdie5095 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Welcome Home!! Thank you for your service!

    • @dadsongs
      @dadsongs ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thanks for your insight. Strangely, they always give me a peaceful feeling and almost always feel like they exist in a vacuum. Definitely solemn. Thanks for your service.

    • @ronaldshank7589
      @ronaldshank7589 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed. Truly Brave Men fought on both sides of that horrendous and bloody conflict.
      What I found out too, years ago, was that, during times of truce, Confederate and Union Troops would, under a flag of truce, get together, and actually play games, drink, smoke cigars and pipes, and, overall, just have a great time. Many of the Troops of both sides never really hated each other. In fact, some of the troops of both sides were, quite possibly, good friends with each other. It's just that, since they had signed up to fight for their respective countries, they had to do their duties. Can you imagine, having to shoot at, and possibly kill, a dear friend who was on the other side? The tears, and the grief, must've been overwhelming for those poor Men! As both you and I know, Fathers ended up fighting, and in some cases, killing their own Sons, and Brothers ended up fighting against, and even killing their own Brothers. It's heartbreaking, and devastating beyond belief, as to the sadness and crying and despair, that such results yielded.
      May Almighty God forbid, that such a painful scenario ever be repeated here, in the United States of America!

    • @ronaldshank7589
      @ronaldshank7589 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@BigSkyCurmudgeonI know that Gen. Cleburne was killed there. He'd been one of the Confederacy's top Generals. Who else, among the Generals, whether Union or Confederate, fell there?

  • @edmondantes4338
    @edmondantes4338 3 ปีที่แล้ว +216

    "I can't spare this man, he fights!"
    Lincoln was right about that. A more timid Union commander might very well have retreated back to Nashville after that first day, but not Grant, he snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.
    Did he make mistakes leading to his army being surprised? Yes, but what general never made mistakes in this war? Grant however never let himself be demoralized by his mistakes, he only learned from them and even when he lost battles he ended up winning campaigns of incredible strategic value.
    Even Lee, while repeatedly winning battle after battle against Grant, was not able to contain him like he had been able to do with McClellan.

    • @Scroopulous
      @Scroopulous 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Grant had unlimited resources, Lee didn't. Lee's victories was always Pyrrhic victories because the south couldn't sustain a war, the north could. Grant kept coming, because he was always been able to be supplied the man power and firepower.

    • @artinfluence
      @artinfluence 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@Scroopulous Grant was a superior officer, thus his win. Lee had lost to other Northern generals also.

    • @Scroopulous
      @Scroopulous 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@artinfluence You don't know what you're speaking of. Revel in your ignorance.

    • @artinfluence
      @artinfluence 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@Scroopulous Sure you know how that feels. Lee lost at Gettysburg to what general? Lost means defeated. Grant was kicking butt in Vicksburg at the time

    • @Scroopulous
      @Scroopulous 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@artinfluence Pyrrhic Victories are lost on you it would seem.

  • @Autobotmatt428
    @Autobotmatt428 5 ปีที่แล้ว +348

    Make more of these animated Battle Maps! Please

    • @justchillin654
      @justchillin654 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Awesome game

    • @chasemurraychristopherdola7108
      @chasemurraychristopherdola7108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Matthew Arenson I completely agree with you on that

    • @billd.iniowa2263
      @billd.iniowa2263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And please include a scale of miles. Or even yards. Maps gain an entirely new dimension with the inclusion of scale.

    • @intellik56
      @intellik56 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes like the Napoleonic wars ceasers wars or the Roman conquest

    • @JPhoenix253
      @JPhoenix253 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I live in Corinth MS, all the Civil War spots around the area have that feel to them!

  • @patrickmcglonejr8163
    @patrickmcglonejr8163 5 ปีที่แล้ว +326

    So that's why Johnston didn't realise he had been hit in the femoral artery... I always wondered on how and why he never felt himself get shot, and how he was able to bleed out the way he did.... I love how this channel teaches me the smaller facts of history... you learn more than what you already knew.

    • @mustlovedogs272
      @mustlovedogs272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      He discovered the wound in plenty of time. An hour or two earlier Johnston had sent his personal surgeon to help some wounded Union soldiers. If he had not done that then he would never of even lost consciousness. But the idiout Beauregard took over. Johnston would have had his army bypass the Hornets nest and press on which would have resulted in the total destruction of the Union army by sundown.
      The narator left a lot out. I have toured Shiloh about 55 times.

    • @teddysalad8227
      @teddysalad8227 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      The femoral artery bleeds so much he could not help but notice it and only an experienced doctor could have stopped the bleeding and saved his life. Which he lacked at the time.

    • @ronaldshank7589
      @ronaldshank7589 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Him dying of a wound in the back of the leg, that apparently tore through the Femoral artery, proves the old adage that tells us:"Death comes in many strange...packages". You can die from something that normally wouldn't be fatal, if you don't pay attention. General A. S. Johnston probably never thought that his death would be caused by something like that, and that he wouldn't live to even see the sunset that fateful day. Unfortunately, he was wrong!

    • @shotgun111180
      @shotgun111180 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      saw where Johnson died, and last month saw where he was buried in Austin

    • @nicholaswalsh4462
      @nicholaswalsh4462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@mustlovedogs272 in defense of the narrator, if they covered everything the video would be at least a couple hours long. As it stands, it's 18 minutes and 9 seconds long. It gets the important bits across, which is enough to at least pique interest.

  • @BlindSide61
    @BlindSide61 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    My ancestor was at Shiloh. He was with the 12th Iowa. Taken prisoner at the Hornet's Nest, later traded back to the Union. He rejoined the fight and died of disease at Vicksburg.

    • @aWILDsomethingCAME
      @aWILDsomethingCAME ปีที่แล้ว +9

      takes balls to go back. props to him

    • @jakewalters3951
      @jakewalters3951 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      12th was formed in my home town, he must have also survived the outbreaks of disease that killed many of them in St. Louis before they even saw action at Henry and Donelson.

  • @TheJMBon
    @TheJMBon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +557

    Why can't the History Channel play stuff like this? Instead, they play fake garbage like Pawn Stars or ludicrous trash like Ancient Aliens.

    • @volzman2172
      @volzman2172 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      You sir are so right .

    • @arym1108
      @arym1108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      They used to...many moons ago.

    • @francisluglio6611
      @francisluglio6611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I'm a structural engineer. I laugh every time Ancient Aliens gets an engineer to analyze the construction of buildings of the past. One engineer once said, "You need an understanding of calculus to do these equations". Technically true but you also need an understanding of calculus to bake a cake! Or you know... a body of knowledge can develop by trial and error...

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      They're getting better dude. _Grant_ documentary just came out this year. Gary from American Battlefield Trust and LittleWarsTV is in it and he talks about the Civil War. Check that out!

    • @karinajasoneverly2724
      @karinajasoneverly2724 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Spot on. The History channel is basically unwatchable.

  • @monumentstosuffering2995
    @monumentstosuffering2995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    American Civil War reenactors make this art form possible. They should be honoured for their profound recreations of massed humanity in extremis.

  • @BigSkyCurmudgeon
    @BigSkyCurmudgeon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    i've walked all of the recognised battlefield trails, twice along with the Boy Scout Troop 127 my son was involved with. it was quite an experience walking the same steps these forces walked back in 1862. i received a frameable "Veteran of Shiloh Battlefield" certificate for completing the 110 miles of hikes required. an experience i will never forget.

    • @LicardoDeBousee
      @LicardoDeBousee ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s impressive friend, but come on East to Chattanooga and do that through Lookout/Signal Mountain, Missionary Ridge all the way down to Chickamauga.
      I’m happy to join, I live 15 minutes from the battlefield. 😂🤣

    • @humbertoflores2545
      @humbertoflores2545 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is that place haunted.?

  • @SlavicSpring
    @SlavicSpring 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I think that April the 6th was not Grant's biggest setback but the proof of his leadership skills. The man rode up and down the lines turning a confused and demoralized union men into determined and focused soldiers and stopping the enemy from reaching the landing. He didn't send a dispatch to check out the cannon fire. He traveled himself to the frontline and took charge of the situation. He met with officers in the field and turned a "soldiers fight" into an organized defense.

    • @satidog
      @satidog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Ultimately the best general in the war.

    • @fishinglunkies3629
      @fishinglunkies3629 ปีที่แล้ว

      bodies + no personality = grant

    • @Brslld
      @Brslld ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@fishinglunkies3629No personality, yet inspired Thousands of men to turn a losing battle into a victory.

    • @jefferson1776
      @jefferson1776 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Absolutely amazing turnout for what should have been a disaster for the Federal army and his reward was to be relieved of his command by his incompetent commanding officer who wasn’t even there! 😮

    • @fishinglunkies3629
      @fishinglunkies3629 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Grant should have had his non binary brigade with him during this campaign

  • @toddmoss1689
    @toddmoss1689 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Shiloh is where I caught my bug for the Civil War as a kid visiting family in Mississippi. It's a great park in the National Park Service.

  • @carolbell8008
    @carolbell8008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I love American History!! This showed a picture of Grant wearing a snazzy hat with feather, which is surprising as he was such a shy man. His memoirs are absolutely fantastic, he writes very well.This generation settled the matter once and for all, God bless them!!

  • @RichardAHolt
    @RichardAHolt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    The battlefield losses at Shiloh were quite shocking, although other later battles would have higher casualties. There was great reluctance to join infantry regiments after the battle, with only cavalry regiments being able to attract recruits in West Tennessee due to this battle and the subsequent Federal occupation. Had several ancestors involved at the battle, with some dying subsequently due to battle injuries or disease.

    • @michaelleventhal3974
      @michaelleventhal3974 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Richard A. Holt in addition, the Tennesseans were considered some of the most undisciplined in the Confederacy.

    • @KermitTheGamer21
      @KermitTheGamer21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      While Grant marched towards Corinth following the battle at Fort Donelson (which he should not have won and was entirely down to Confederate lack of intel and misunderstandings between the commanders) he ran into a Confederate camp in Paris, TN. Although quickly overrun, a small battle was fought there. My house sits on the ground where that battle was fought.

  • @rexfrommn3316
    @rexfrommn3316 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The battle of Shiloh was the first real modern battle of modern war. Shiloh was fought with mostly older smoothbore muskets converted to percussion cap. Many Confederate regiments had old Brown Bess muskets converted to percussion cap or muskets from the War of 1812 converted to percussion cap. Many Confederate regiments had squirrel hunting rifles and shotguns brought from home. The Union Army also had large numbers of old smoothbore muskets from the War of 1812 and Mexican War such as the 1842 Springfield smoothbore musket. Almost all of these older muskets including many bought in Europe were percussion cap for more consistent firing. Most of these smoothbore muskets were filled with homemade buckshot rounds or buck and ball rounds. Buck and ball rounds were .69 caliber ball rounds with three .30 caliber muskets. However many soldiers made their own homemade buckshot rounds of 12 or more buckshot balls from artillery canister rounds.
    These were close range weapons but extremely effective at 50 meters with 100 meters at the outer range. The fighting showed the devastating lethality of these older smoothbore weapons firing a regimental volley of buck and ball rounds or buckshot. Most of the fighting ranges at Shiloh were at very close range at under a hundred meters. Much of Shiloh is filled with brush and tree foliage. The rifled musket and Minie ball were used at Shiloh but far too many Civil War historians overhype the rifled musket and MInie ball. Most of these Civil War battles were filled with the fog of thick black powder smoke. Artillery guns also fired black powerder rounds creating enormous clouds of smoke hanging over the battlefield. Many of these Civil War battles became close range "point and shoot" affairs where each side had a general idea where the enemy was but few individual targets could be made out. The rifled musket also had a parabolic trajectory that would cause a Minie ball sailing over the target's human head at 200 to 250 yards. Riflemen on both sides at Shiloh were poorly trained for judging distance of the target and adjusting their aiming point. So most regiments of soldiers used their smoothbore muskets with buck and ball rounds fired in volleys at close range of a 100 yards or less. Skirmishers used their rifled muskets better in open order in front of the men in the double ranks.
    It is important to note the enormous casualties caused at Shiloh with these older smoothbore muskets. The percussion cap was a big game changer because shooting became more consistent and easier to train green soldiers. The smoothbore musket with the percussion cap and buck and ball rounds were the real killers at Shiloh. The Minie ball and rifled musket killed or maimed most Civil war soldiers but these casualties occurred at ranges of less than 100 meters due to the poor training and clouds of smoke hanging over the battlefield from blackpowder weapons. It is important to remember the casualty rates Civil War battles and ranges of the two sides engaging each other were NOT fundamentally different from Napoleonic battles 50 years earlier. The deadliest weapons of the Civil War were those railroads and steam riverboats that allowed the concentration of armies in field almost indefinitely.

  • @monumentstosuffering2995
    @monumentstosuffering2995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    It is my certainty that visual work such as this represents the highest form of visual art. There is no artistic ego, only fact. It has the extremes of human experience, good and bad, simultaneously. Horrible, beautiful and awe - inspiring. All of life and death's great paradoxes are there. Entire communities including women, with extreme stoicism, shoulder to shoulder, knowing what was ahead repeatedly going in to battle. Many vapourised by artillery at close range. Unbelievable suffering and fortitude, deprivations and horror were encountered. Most were poor volunteers. These people and their suffering should be remembered and depicted. This has to be the noblest form of visual art to date. A war mostly down to peer pressure (E. Bearss sic.). Warnings from history, of course.

    • @Shelmerdine745
      @Shelmerdine745 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You don’t know much about art, do you?

  • @mikem362
    @mikem362 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Very well preserved battlefield. Unique cannons that I have never seen. Cemetary is a place of reverence. Highly recommend a visit.

    • @daletesson4630
      @daletesson4630 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All but 2 of the cannons displayed at Shiloh National Military Park at original artifacts of the Civil War. The solemness of this place is overwhelming. Hallowed ground surrounds you at every level. We can only imagine the horrors.

  • @alexkalish8288
    @alexkalish8288 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    While Grants army was surprised, his tactical deployment of his army before the battle was almost perfect. Both armies were not yet hard veterans but they fought well. Grant was cool and measured as always. He spent time deploying his batteries on a knoll by the landing that just dominates the landscape. That accomplished, he couldn't lose -

  • @patrickturner6878
    @patrickturner6878 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I've been to a lot of civil war battlefields and of all of them Shiloh is by far my favorite. It was just so unique in military history. Two groups of barely trained civilians going at each other with a savagery that wouldn't be seen until later in the war at places like Little Round Top and Overland campaign. The terrain, the hardships the men endured even when not in battle. Everything about it is unique in world history.

    • @andyzehner3347
      @andyzehner3347 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. Bull Run is just a forest. Shiloh is much better at preserving the terrain of the battle.

  • @andyorwig
    @andyorwig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    These videos are amazing. The intro music pulls you right in with a somewhat engaging and empowering score but then brings home the horrors of war that truly existed. It was a quagmire of human drama played out at the expense of thousands.

  • @bluesuncompanyman
    @bluesuncompanyman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I visited Shiloh 2 years ago and was amazed at how well preserved the battlefield was. Being in the deep Tennessee country, there is no urban encroachment like you see with the battlefields in the east. When I visited Antietam the nearby suburbs and housing just off the park property was a terrible eyesore to someone who cares about preservation. But at Shiloh the landscape was pristine. Shiloh is well off the beaten path and it takes a while to get there, but if you care about battlefield preservation I recommend taking the time to visit.

  • @reidturing9208
    @reidturing9208 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Your battle maps are the ones that I always go to when I'm trying to get a picture of the action in my head. The maps themselves are superb, and I enjoy the medley of reenactment footage and old photographs that you use to add depth to the story.

  • @matthewlavis8376
    @matthewlavis8376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These series show how hard fought this war really was. And give just some idea how high the cost of victory came.

  • @downhilltwofour0082
    @downhilltwofour0082 4 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    My Great-Great Grandfather died at this battle. fighting on the Union side.

    • @thewiredude1974
      @thewiredude1974 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      My Great-Great-Great Grandfather and Great-Great Grandfathers died at this battle too fighting for the Confederate side. Only one Great-Great Grandfather survived with a bullet through the neck.

    • @sartainja
      @sartainja 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      At least you know where and the approximate date when he died. So many families do not any information.

    • @christopherdeen5275
      @christopherdeen5275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      My Great Grandfather fought here on the union side as well. Fortunately, he survived.

    • @glentaylor3916
      @glentaylor3916 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @88Gibson LesPaul
      Cool story Bro. Which area of CHAZ are you from?
      I hope Jesus loves you because obviously others don't.

    • @thewiredude1974
      @thewiredude1974 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @88Gibson LesPaul My Great-Great-Great Grandfather and his two sons are in the mass graves at Shiloh. They were dragged from their homes and recruited to defend Tennessee from the yankee invasion. My Great-Great Grandfather that survived is buried at my family cemetery. I loved visiting him as a kid and would imagine what he lived through. His tombstone always had a new rebel flag flying on it.

  • @semaphoreLock
    @semaphoreLock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Incredible content. Must be viewed by all Americans at this divisive hour in our history

    • @ANTIStraussian
      @ANTIStraussian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Seeing those rebel scum get smoked

    • @francisluglio6611
      @francisluglio6611 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ANTIStraussian indeed. I'm waiting for one of those confederates who think they're still fighting the war to comment so that I can whip them good

    • @kbdekker
      @kbdekker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      A big reason why things are so divisive is that we never fully reconciled for this war. We allowed those that betrayed the constitution (the Confederate leadership) in the name of enslaving others regain power, institute Jim Crow and perpetuate over 100 years of Lost Cause propaganda. They should've been exiled from the country and all their land seized and turned into reparations for their crimes against humanity.

    • @deovindice2625
      @deovindice2625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ANTIStraussian getting nearly pushed into a river and being saved by gunboats is hardly anything close to smoking us

    • @deovindice2625
      @deovindice2625 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@francisluglio6611 come on and whip me lol

  • @1951GL
    @1951GL 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Well done. The stand at the Hornet's Nest went some way to determining the outcome.

    • @indy_go_blue6048
      @indy_go_blue6048 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's questioned whether or not the Hornet's Nest actually transpired the way it's reported. See Battlefield Detectives: Shiloh for evidence refuting the story.

    • @shadwknight1644
      @shadwknight1644 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was rather disappointing

  • @billd.iniowa2263
    @billd.iniowa2263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've been to Shilo. I had only just driven in when a large stone monument appeared just 20 yards away. I stopped immediately and got out of the truck, camera in hand. But as I neared the thing and raised my camera, I started to cry. I never thought such an old honorary could effect me so emotionally. It had only one word: IOWA.

    • @BigSkyCurmudgeon
      @BigSkyCurmudgeon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it is quite a monument, i agree, as is all the stones along the Sunken Road

  • @outdoorlife5396
    @outdoorlife5396 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like this lecture, I guess is what you call it. The guy speaking is a Marine Vet who passed away from Cancer a few years ago. He always did a good job.

  • @Battlebricks-eb2jo
    @Battlebricks-eb2jo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Its sad how Grant is remembered as a drunk and butcher while his contribution to the Union and ending slavery is so great.

  • @SteveWillSpendIt
    @SteveWillSpendIt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve always found it such an honor to live close to this area. I grew up about 50 miles away and now as I’m older and educate myself on our nations history I feel honored to be able to go visit this place and pay my respects to our ancestors who fought for their lifes.

  • @BOBXFILES2374a
    @BOBXFILES2374a 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have been re-reading Larry J. Daniel's SHILOH. It has amazing detail re which little unit did what where and for how long. The casualties were stunning; one formation started with roughly 2500 men, and ended with aprox. 350. A wave of Rebels taking a Union volley at 200 yards.
    People talk lightly these days about "civil war;" that was the reality. PS the animated maps really show how it happened, with the big picture.

  • @wes326
    @wes326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My Mother's family is from the Corinth area and got to see the battlefield as a teenager. Thanks for the great presentation.

  • @rjw7058
    @rjw7058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    never was a history buff as a hi schooler, am 68 and luv learning it now, superb animations and re-enactments. the photogs, artists and survivors to tell the history of the ACW, it was like being there>they all gone now, but they live becuz of American Battlefield Trust>

  • @ghr1990
    @ghr1990 5 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Just played this battle in Ultimate General: Civil War. It was intense!

    • @justchillin654
      @justchillin654 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Great game

    • @shaneboardwell1060
      @shaneboardwell1060 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      It's the first HUGE battle of the campaign for sure. Very hellish.

    • @decimated550
      @decimated550 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hope that isn't one of those first person civil war shooter games where you have to individually load your musket and run around shooting

    • @JoeDan4
      @JoeDan4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@decimated550 Nope. It's a pretty good Real Time Strategy game. Choose your side and fight the war till you win or are fired as general.

    • @MXB2001
      @MXB2001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've played the SSI version of the battle many times. It's a classic MSDOS program from the 80's. Very accurate and realistic yet runs in less than 640K! Command and Control, ammo, morale, everything is simulated...

  • @LordFred69
    @LordFred69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    RIP brave men.

    • @ronaldshank7589
      @ronaldshank7589 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Many a brave man lost their life that day. Some wore blue, some wore gray.

    • @hamada_86
      @hamada_86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ronaldshank7589 but the gray died defended slavery.

    • @threestepssideways1202
      @threestepssideways1202 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Jason Cooke Yes it is, like any war, I've sadly been involved in a couple of conflicts, but you don't think about how stupid it is, you think about your mates and the possible change to your percieved way of life, and the benefits of being part of something, manifested by the guys around you. Ultimately you don't want to let anyone down. Battlefield philosophy tails off when the rounds are loaded and begins again when the dust settles.

  • @macmiller1678
    @macmiller1678 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    These videos are phenomenal. Really helps to understand these battles.

  • @dupeesfashionconsultant4204
    @dupeesfashionconsultant4204 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you guys so much for all you do to preserve our History especially now with so many attempting to erase or change it to suit their needs

  • @crabwalkarms7347
    @crabwalkarms7347 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I live literally 30mi from this battelfield its quite the sight and there are Indian mounds less than a mile from the main battelfield

  • @Ekstrax
    @Ekstrax 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i'm european but i love watching these videos, the real life camera shots which are the best reenactment shots i have ever seen, combined with the tactical map really give me the feeling i'm there. Great stuff

  • @TimHPop776
    @TimHPop776 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    These Animated Battle Maps are outstanding!!

  • @ryangarfield4872
    @ryangarfield4872 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    How did it take me so long to find this channel!? Wonderful job! Very informative! So great to honor our ancestors by remembering them.

  • @somato2688
    @somato2688 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this channel is a treasure. A NATIONAL Treasure. I ain't even AMerican!

  • @estebanmorales6568
    @estebanmorales6568 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Shiloh is one of the best preserved battlefields. If you get a chance go there.

  • @robertbush8327
    @robertbush8327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As a decedent of Albert S. Johnston I always wondered the outcome of this battle would have been different had he not been killed. But I do believe the victory would of still been to the Union due to their outstanding numbers. Great video, many thanks.

    • @jamessmilus321
      @jamessmilus321 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, what if the errors weren’t there and the union reinforcements got in time before sunset and stabilized the lines and possibly prevent the hornets nest?

  • @bernardopena1601
    @bernardopena1601 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll be walking these fields in 1 week. Driving from deep South Texas, I can't wait to be there.

  • @johnjunge6989
    @johnjunge6989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was there and walked the fields, it's massive, and the woods are hard to see through. This battle was fought on both sides by men who believed in a cause.
    I have been to Gettysburg and compared to it, this was a unbelievable battle of will.
    God bless them all!

  • @seventhson27
    @seventhson27 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One maybe interesting side note of the Battle of Shiloh, after the battle a Brown Bess was picked up from the battlefield. Marking the last known time a Brown Bess was used in battle.

  • @grantdervishi8186
    @grantdervishi8186 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been learning about the War Between the States for 30 years and even I learn new things from these amazing videos. They are far superior to anything I learned in public school

    • @markgrice8214
      @markgrice8214 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Please keep the memory of the fallen soldiers intact and use the correct name: The Civil War. Thanks!

  • @indy_go_blue6048
    @indy_go_blue6048 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You really need to do Second Manassas and the '62 & '64 Shenandoah campaigns. Bragg's campaign culminating at Perryville would be nice as well.

  • @skycladobserver9246
    @skycladobserver9246 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was there for the 150th anniversary and that battlefield is immaculate.

  • @A1Authority
    @A1Authority ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Historians oft forget to mention that, due to the era this battle takes place, many otherwise everyday items were in short supply. The Confederates were short on Iphones, and even if they had them, microwave transmitters were hard to come by. The Federals would have done much better, but Nathan's brand hotdogs were nowhere to be found, extending the war itself for years.

    • @JohnPublic-dk7zd
      @JohnPublic-dk7zd ปีที่แล้ว

      You do realize that far in the future your comment will be part of revisionist history...some geek will decipher it, and declare new facts about the battle...

  • @savagesavant4964
    @savagesavant4964 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If they had listened to Nathan B. Forrest ....Shiloh would've been a total victory for CSA.
    Forrest was the most brilliant cavalry commander of the war & always knew the enemies location.

    • @somebluntdude
      @somebluntdude 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And I’d argue if he had been in JEB Stuart’s place at Gettysburg the battle could’ve had a different outcome

    • @Shelmerdine745
      @Shelmerdine745 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How is that? Had they listened to him, they should have just retreated and made a defensive line elsewhere. There was no victory to be had.

    • @thethingreywall6520
      @thethingreywall6520 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Forrest was a partisan commander along the same lines as Mosby. He had the luxury of operating on his own hang and as such he did perform very well. In the big picture, he was merely a nuisance to the Federals as was Mosby. From the standpoint of regular military service, Stuart outperformed both Forrest and Mosby. In fact, from the standpoint of effective cavalry service, I would make the argument that Joe Wheeler operating on Sherman's flanks during the Campaign for Atlanta and then Savannah provided more effective service than Forrest ever did. Wheeler operated on Sherman's northern flank after Atlanta fell and kept him from driving from Atlanta directly into South Carolina. His aggressive cavalry allowed Johnson to gather a host for one last desperate stand at Bentonville.

    • @localkiwi9988
      @localkiwi9988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Forrest was nothing but a murderer. Deserves no respect. All his statues should be torn down

  • @stevencoffeen6684
    @stevencoffeen6684 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Two of my great grand father's brothers fought for Wisconsin on the Union side (obviously), and both were wounded and both were captured. The older of the two was let go as was to be too difficult to care for. He attempted to make it home but died in northern Illinois. The younger brother being shifted from one prison camp to another became quite ill and was let go. He too attempted to return home and unlike his brother was successful, but succumbed to his illness 2 months later. I have visited his grave site.

  • @cindyscott9002
    @cindyscott9002 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a good narrative!The American Battlefield Trust does such a good job! Thank you!

  • @geoffreylee5199
    @geoffreylee5199 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Anyone that has visited a Civil War battlefield, no matter where in the world, should be respectful. I have visited a few sites in UK, one from the War of the Roses, another from Parliament vs Royalty, and Hastings. Sombre sites.

  • @prestonlindsay231
    @prestonlindsay231 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi! This is a great way for learning and enjoying the Civil War.

  • @michaelleventhal3974
    @michaelleventhal3974 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a student of the War Between the States I immensely enjoy these videos.

  • @scrapplejacks8780
    @scrapplejacks8780 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I love the re-releases. These are really well done. I hope all get deeper treatments.

  • @bigmikeh5827
    @bigmikeh5827 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shiloh is an annual trip for our scout troop. (T525, Clarksville, Tn.) It has been a part of us for over 50 years. I have taken the boys to do the history trails and watched the video at the visitors center. The hornets nest, bloody pond, the mass graves. My youngest son has played Taps there for the lost. I must say, this video is an attention getter. The mixing of sight, sound and maps with explanations caught me off guard and unprepared for the emotions. It really puts the sacrifice these men made in a way unlike a monument does. Thank you 🙏🏻. Please keep up this great work.

    • @thewiredude1974
      @thewiredude1974 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      An annual trip for my boy scout troop too. Troop 142 Decatur, AL 1985-87. I loved it there because my ancestors are buried in the mass graves.

    • @BigSkyCurmudgeon
      @BigSkyCurmudgeon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same with our troop 127 from Nashville Illinois.

    • @lpwienert7358
      @lpwienert7358 ปีที่แล้ว

      To all those above ..thank you for your service to the young men of America. My Troop 303 in Memphis made this hike 53 years ago .

  • @monumentstosuffering2995
    @monumentstosuffering2995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Most awesome and noble - minded visual art and depiction. Perfection.

  • @martybaggenmusic
    @martybaggenmusic หลายเดือนก่อน

    An utterly brilliant channel..... I know what I'm gonna be binge-watching for the foreseeable future.

  • @scottahermann
    @scottahermann 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We were at Shiloh yesterday. I kept thinking about the cannon fire (grape shot) fired into the hornets nest. Exploding trees and shrapnel. Incredible they lasted as long as they did

  • @sasha642
    @sasha642 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Outstanding video and cinematography.

  • @satidog
    @satidog 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One cool story from the Mexican War was that Grant, after borrowing a horse and charging into Monterrey with Jefferson Davis, wound up hunkered down in a building with PT Beauregard at one point during the day. That was the day Grant earned a mention in the papers by volunteering to go back for reinforcements and pulled some trick riding under fire down the street. He may have been the best horseman in the army at that point.

  • @pauls064
    @pauls064 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve walked Shiloh, and I still can’t fully grasp how artillery could be effective with the thick cover of deciduous trees, even at the time of the battle. The elevation changes on the field are relatively small, so artillery could not take advantage of height to have fields of fire down into the trees…

  • @semaphoreLock
    @semaphoreLock 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    13:22 The 11th hour. Hold strong here, boys. The country depends on you now, here at this place. The cannon on this line is tremendous in number and strength. When visiting, it seems like this position could never have been taken with anything short of divine providence.

  • @darrellhawkins9409
    @darrellhawkins9409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I visited Shiloh this past April. This is an incredible rendition of the action and covers the main points very well. Splendid job

  • @Rafferty1968
    @Rafferty1968 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Shame you didn't include Grants response to the Sherman quote.. "Yes. Lick'em tomorrow though."

  • @fullmetalpoitato5190
    @fullmetalpoitato5190 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was just at Shiloh yesterday. A somber place, and humbling.

  • @decimated550
    @decimated550 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    11:49 the withdrawal of both union wings left the center alone, and watch the animation as Wallace's division is completely surrounded. The Hornet's nest becomes its name as 14 brigades and 60 cannon fire into the Unionists.

    • @patrickturner6878
      @patrickturner6878 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The Federals had Munch's battery in those woods providing brutal fire support with canister shot in the corner of Duncan field. There is a position placard for the Confederate 7th Arkansas Inf Reg and a cannon of Munch's battery and I paced off the distance to 35 paces. Imagine getting a face full of canister at 30 yrds!

  • @charlietheanteater3918
    @charlietheanteater3918 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    You should do one on the battle of Mobile bay

    • @patrickm946
      @patrickm946 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would like to see one of the red river campaign , Sibely's New Mexico expedition , or fort fisher

    • @charlietheanteater3918
      @charlietheanteater3918 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Patrick Mallett Red River campaign actually might be a better idea

    • @patrickm946
      @patrickm946 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Charlie Theanteater it was one of the largest operation west of the Mississippi .with fighting in both Louisiana and Arkansas with more then a dozen battles .

    • @charlietheanteater3918
      @charlietheanteater3918 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Patrick Mallett I know, Shelby Foote has a great section on it in his book “Red River to Appomattox”

  • @SuperPhester
    @SuperPhester 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you ABT for your excellent American history productions!!!

  • @thomasrice4078
    @thomasrice4078 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's hard to understand the emotions this video expresses. I'm so thankful I never had to face these horrors. Wave after wave, unit after unit heading to the front, what did those men feel...

  • @alanwang1479
    @alanwang1479 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Grant having a sprained ankle is an understatement. His horse slipped in the mud after getting off the boat and fell on top of his leg. Luckily, the softness of the mud also saved him and allowed him to walk away with just the sprained ankle.

  • @brianbanks703
    @brianbanks703 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    brilliant series, what history docs should be like

  • @georgehays4900
    @georgehays4900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You do a really good job of telling these stories. Thank you.

  • @LicardoDeBousee
    @LicardoDeBousee ปีที่แล้ว

    I live in Chattanooga, just a stones throw over the border from Chickamauga, 15 minutes from Missionary Ridge and 25 minutes from Lookout/Signal Mountain(s).
    I constantly forget and am quite privileged to be in the backyard of three of the most pivotal battles in the Western Theater of the war.
    I’ve been to all three battlefields (multiple times as well as hikes there), Fort Donelson, Franklin and Stones River (Murfreesboro), but I still haven’t been to Shiloh. I’ll probably wait until November when we have some nice cool fall weather to visit and make a weekend out of it.
    The greatest irony is that “Shiloh” in Hebrew means “place of peace” but in April of 1862, quite the opposite was true.

  • @davemachoukas6175
    @davemachoukas6175 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My God the sacrifices these man gave. God bless them all.

  • @tonynewburey8900
    @tonynewburey8900 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally a page that says what and so on. Not propaganda. There is a saying.... To the Victorious goes the spoils of war, to include the war itself.

  • @bernardopena1601
    @bernardopena1601 ปีที่แล้ว

    Albert Sydney Johnson was reviewing a map that had a major error in showing the Tennessee River going straight down towards Mississippi instead of curving. The map also showed Pittsburgh Landing to be further South than it really was. This error combined with orders to keep the troops safe from Federal gunboats on the river resulted in the main attack taking place to far to the west of the river and thus pushed Grant's troops towards their base at Pittsburg landing instead of away from it.

  • @briteness
    @briteness 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is a very useful aid to understanding this battle. Thank you!

  • @CaptKundalini
    @CaptKundalini 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was just there today. I walked among the graves of the unknown and the known. I walked up to Dill's Ravine. The silence was very deep.
    Unlike the Battlefield at Vicksburg, I had no paranormal experience here.
    Unfortunately, I didn't have time to tour the entire Battlefield. The sky was cloudy and overcast and the sun was setting.
    I'm going to return in April.

    • @theodoresmith5272
      @theodoresmith5272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Go to the Alamo and the little big horn. You can feel it there very much.

    • @CaptKundalini
      @CaptKundalini 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Theodore Smith The Alamo? I’ve been there half a dozen times.I as born,raised and lived in Texas for 61 years. 😀

    • @82mccord
      @82mccord 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What kind of paranormal experience did you have at Vicksburg?

  • @yourmusicguru
    @yourmusicguru ปีที่แล้ว

    A Union victory that was a textbook example of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat.

  • @peterwoods474
    @peterwoods474 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What an excellent production bringing Shiloh to life.

  • @capdexcox2339
    @capdexcox2339 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'm craving Arby's for some reason...

    • @julinas1878
      @julinas1878 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this- I’ve been going crazy trying to figure it out!

  • @scasey1960
    @scasey1960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We all give praise to those who died for the preservation of the Union.

    • @rangergxi
      @rangergxi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pretty sure Grant's statues are being torn down.

    • @scasey1960
      @scasey1960 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      432423429482 disgusting imho.

  • @Joe-fx2pz
    @Joe-fx2pz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These videos are the greatest.

  • @janetleishman3776
    @janetleishman3776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I walked the grounds of Shiloh, I could hear the soldiers yelling, crying out and asking is the war over or did we win? Such sadness still remains just stop and listen with your heart.

  • @michaeloc14
    @michaeloc14 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If the Confederates hadn't stopped their advance to loot the Union camps there's no telling how this battle would have turned out. Johnston and his men easily could've overrun the outnumbered Union troops. Just one of those breaks you need to get during a battle.

    • @debaterofeverythingpresent2775
      @debaterofeverythingpresent2775 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ah the old stock great booty in our camps to slow the advancing army trick. Well played union soldiers, well played.

    • @thedevilinthecircuit1414
      @thedevilinthecircuit1414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Further proof that disciplined troops are far more effective troops.

  • @zaurakdigis
    @zaurakdigis ปีที่แล้ว

    I haven’t been there since my teen years, “ The Hornets Nest” is still etched in my mind.

  • @AN-nt2bz
    @AN-nt2bz ปีที่แล้ว

    The battle started with the engagement in Fraley's Field. Major Powells detachment engaged Hardee's pickets for over two hours. This is a pretty important part of the battle. Too important to overlook if you ask me.

  • @baxtermason6909
    @baxtermason6909 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd like to know who the narrator is...he's the best...I could listen to everything he does...BM.

  • @bprid135
    @bprid135 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me getting killed at 1:08. Hah. Fun times! Btw that scene was filmed for the “Battle of Franklin, five hours in the valley of death” film Wideawake films did back in the day. Highly recommend checking it out!

  • @paul1x1
    @paul1x1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm not even American but this civil war is heartbreaking the casualty counts are just unbelievable with the weaponry available at that time

    • @Walkeranz
      @Walkeranz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Read "Union at All Costs"by John M. Talyolr

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andyzehner3347 It's large for North America

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andyzehner3347 Because North America (and South America) not only had smaller populations for Europe, but had smaller armies. North and South America have had many wars, but the US Civil War and it's battles were the largest. I highly doubt an educational video for American audiences teaching about the impact the war had on the USA and the American continents really cares about how well Europeans and Asians are at killing each other. This is about the US Civil War. Not Europe or Asia where they take pride in killing millions of their own people like it's nothing.

  • @forrestgreene1139
    @forrestgreene1139 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad it was filmed in spring.

  • @garyr898
    @garyr898 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I stood in the hornets nest, stood by bloody pond, stood at the union loading point. I could feel the sense of tragety in all those places and several others. Walking across the orchard i looked up and saw an American Bald eagle staring down at me from a tree.
    That's when the goosebumps appeared.

    • @j.franklin21
      @j.franklin21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Heck, reading that gave me goosebumps

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's an amazing story

    • @zaurakdigis
      @zaurakdigis ปีที่แล้ว

      Have not been there since the late 60’s but the Hornets Nest is the most memorable

  • @youjustgotcarled
    @youjustgotcarled 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My family owned land that this happened on, thank you for making this, I was able to see what actions occurred on that land

  • @DixieWhiskey
    @DixieWhiskey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here in New Orleans we have a tumulus in Lakelawn Cemetery for the Army of Tennessee. A statue of A.S.Johnston on his horse is on top of it and it is where PGT Beauregard is buried.

    • @madjayhawk
      @madjayhawk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The politically correct bunch will be there someday to take down that statue and dig up General Beauregard. Civil War history is politically incorrect.

    • @DixieWhiskey
      @DixieWhiskey 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@madjayhawk
      They already fucked up Lee circle. Lee stood up there for 140 years, now he's in a warehouse

    • @RalphKramden-il5pf
      @RalphKramden-il5pf หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DixieWhiskey Where he belongs. He was a traitor and not nearly as skilled a general as he has been made out to be. As soon as Grant took command of the AOP, Lee's sole victory was at Cold Harbor.

    • @DixieWhiskey
      @DixieWhiskey หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RalphKramden-il5pf
      Oh please. You people are exhausting.

    • @RalphKramden-il5pf
      @RalphKramden-il5pf หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DixieWhiskey Ditto.

  • @Pbo91
    @Pbo91 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’d be great if you could make more of these animated maps. I’ve watched most of them multiple times already. Very entertaining and enjoyable to watch

  • @tsunamiofquestions5734
    @tsunamiofquestions5734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    At 3:05 the flags are switched, "Grant's HQ" is represented by the Confederate flag, and the city of Corinth under the Confederates is represented by the United states flag. 🤦‍♂️😂

    • @teldaritane2296
      @teldaritane2296 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol didn't realize that error 😂🤣

    • @stevek8829
      @stevek8829 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good catch. Maybe that illustrates some of the battlefield confusion between flags that led to the Battle Flag.

  • @andyzehner3347
    @andyzehner3347 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This excellent report describes Lew Wallace's march as "a series of errors and delays." In fact, he took the most direct road to the place he was commanded to go. He had scouted the area and knew of a road that Grant and his staff didn't. It chanced that, during the march, Sherman was pushed out of place and so when Wallace arrived at the appointed place Sherman was no longer there.

    • @LtBrown1956
      @LtBrown1956 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      andy
      an interesting bit of info .....grant is well known as someone who rewrote battle accounts to show subordinates at fault and to cover up his own failures ....these reports were done after the war when grant was sec of war and later prez with his crony sherman as sec of war

    • @LtBrown1956
      @LtBrown1956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Robert Elder
      "General Grant and the Rewriting of History" by Frank P. Varney who has a Ph.D. from Cornell

    • @artinfluence
      @artinfluence 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LtBrown1956 This book and you are both revisionist liars

    • @jamessmilus321
      @jamessmilus321 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Source?

    • @andyzehner3347
      @andyzehner3347 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamessmilus321 1) "Shadow of Shiloh" by Gail Stevens. 2) "Personal Memoirs" by US Grant -- a footnote Grant added acknowledging that Wallace had reason to do what he did.