I doubt Kelgorath will take up the mantle of the God of War after what we saw of him back in Season of the Deep, but then again, Kelgorath has always been a persistent foe.
Xivu should take her hive and proceed to worship and offer everything possible to Nezarec to resurrect him and TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT INSANE POWER DYNAMIC OF XIVU AND NEZAREC JUICING EACH OTHER UP BUNGIE DO THIS PLEASE!!!!!
I feel no one seems to talk much about how Eris Morn's actions once again pull us further away from the Dark Timeline. In the Dark Timeline, according to Elsie Bray, Eris Morn became the new Witch Queen. With her current actions, she REJECTED all the powers she could have had.
I’m fully expecting Toland to take over a throne world sometime soon. He’s been a background player for so long I can imagine him getting a shine in the episode called Heresy
Right been saying the same thing for years, Toland needs to claim the dreadnought as his throne world and come back into being, being real I don’t want him to end up evil, but seeing him be the first person to go from losing his light to gaining darkness to gaining a throne world and then maybe gaining prismatic
With Xivu Arath now banished from her own Throne World, no doubt losing a lot of her power, and the Witness currently in the Traveler, I could see Eramis try to take advantage of the situation and try to get what’s left of her house away from the Witness and Xivu Arath’s remaining forces. However, she’ll need help, and while she doesn’t trust the Guardians or Mithrax, she is desperate and might turn to Eido for help. This could potentially be a plot next season
I hope not lol that would be nothing like erimis she is made to be jaded till the day she dies this is shown by here nearly killing all her people when she opened up the vex gate.
We still have to deal with accessing the portal in the traveler, so that's 100% going to be the focus next season. I do see Eramis being more relevant *after* The Final Shape, maybe in the second episode, as it seems to be related to the scorn, and one of the big things she feared from the witness was how he was turning her old friends and allies into scorn. Maybe there could be some tie in there.
Xivu hasn't lost any power, she's just lost access to her immortality, which knowing her she'll find some way to force her way back into her throne world or a way to make a new one
@@orangesoda51414 she’s powerful still yes but without her throne world, or access to it she can never unleash the same terrifying power she once had, like how invaded Torobatl
Something I haven’t seen much talk about is whether or not other Hive could try to ascend to godhood. What’s stopping Paul the Thrall from performing a ritual and becoming the hive God of Hallways. Bungie has an opening to create future powerful hive villains that can rise to power in their own domains
It’s important to note that Toland’s quote wasn’t referring to a Throne World vacancy. He was referring to a vacancy in the Hive power structure. When Oryx was killed in the Taken King campaign he was banished to his own Throne, trapped within until he could return to physical form. This is why Eris sent us to kill Alak-Hul, as he was a prime candidate to take up the reigns while Oryx was indisposed. Honestly this entire situation had better be explored in greater detail in the coming weeks, because it’s bad enough that the banishment was lacklustre. We have no idea whether Xivu’s connection to the Throne has been severed entirely, or if she simply cannot return to it. Even that fundamental distinction has wildly different knock on effects.
@@MrVidman14 Not the point. Whether she’s just been banished or had her connection severed is the issue at hand. The connection being severed means her Throne World would have likely collapsed as Oryx’s did. Being banished ensures that Xivu is still maintaining the Throne despite not being able to return. Both have wildly different implications.
@@seanmurphy7845 you really think Eris would not consider that when Banishing her, if she can still use her throne world that would mean that she can still have her forces invade the Sol system
I hope that post final shape well have a season where we help Caitil retake torobatl and maybe a separate season where we explore and the claim Xivu arath’s throne world
First a Rant: Xivu just pulled a Navota. Second: I like how Xivu went from Hating Savathun, to liking her for making Eris a hive god (Tempority) and probably hating her more after the finale. Third: Hey Byf, I had this question that's been in my head for a long time, IS it possible that we guardians can have our own Throne world, given all that we done and after what happened after this season's finale? or Can Erin have her own TW with all the Tithes she collected?
honestly if there's one thing this video has taught me. it's that the now vacant throne world, would make some epic player housing; literally transforming it to our will like a proper throne world *even more feasible since we've been becoming increasingly more masterful of hive magics
Now the question. If she can't access her throne world. How much of an army does she have left since she had her whole army waiting to come out from her throne world
Oh, imagine if Xivu Arath has a child that is designed and named as a Shout Out to "God of War", and they are the central antagonist of the Heresy Episode.
Oh, i forgot the logistical loss this would have on her armies. That is incredible devastating, limiting her forces to the hives conventional space forces, who may not even have a conventional FTL method means the forces of the hive are massively limited on their ability to overwhelm and perform so many of their prominent strategies. I offer one important piece of advice to all who read this comment: NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE LOGISTICS.
My bet for who gets the terrace is in this order: (most likely to least) - Kelgorath (probably taken by force. Prove himself by slaying some powerful ascendant hive) - Toland - Eris - Currently unknown or different ascendant hive - Mara The first 2 I think would be the most likely. Middle 2 are somewhat unlikely, and Mara is possible but I wouldn’t bet on it. Kelgorath and Toland just make such good story lines for Heresy
Personally I would love to see the size of our guardian's throne world as while we don't always use the sword logic to amass power, the times we do clearly cement our strength over the hive pantheon, and the only reason we don't have our own throne world (seemingly) is because we refuse to take the mantle of the hive gods we killed. And on a similar note I would love to have another game that is more of an open experience allowing for full class customization and allowing our guardians to choose whether we stand firmly in the light, are corrupted by darkness like Dredgen Yor, or are wary of Light and Darkness like the Drifter.
Xivu: ah yes the sword logic we embrse it openly and prove strength against enemy *looses immortality* Xivu: ah yes we prove pur strengh against the enemy (shoves nearest thrall to fight in her sted)
]]]Xi Ro never had any ambition of her own. She will look to her fallen subjugators for inspiration. The worms: Eir, Ur, Yul. The Upended. The Veil. She will take all that she can from what remains. It takes no imagination to see where she may go next. But the question remains: will you have the resources to stop her on all fronts, or will you see yourself stretched too thin?[[[
What if savathun takes up the vacant roles? I.e she would become the Queen of war, Queen of cunning, and the Taken Queen. Allowing her to gain power through fighting wars, tricking enemies, and have complete control over an otherwise uncontrollable force the taken. And to get there she used us as she always does and now, unknowingly, we have essentially hand walked her into more power than we have ever known
How much do you wanna bet that when Eris ejected Xivu from her throne world, she tied US to it to keep it stable and make sure that no matter what, we would survive our fight with the witness.
Well, at least now we have an excuse to fight her mono e mono. She'll probably see killing us as a way to gain enough tribute to become Ascendant again and regain her Throne World/get a new one. Can't wait for the boss fight against her!
It’s interesting how she relied on resurrection despite claiming the sword logic. I wonder if she could actually gain greater power by accepting being forced to a purer version sword logic? The implicit strength of infinite attrition dulls the need for singular instantaneous force. It forces Xivu’s tactic to change from a barrage of hammer strikes to one concentrated blow, something much more analogous to the thrust of a blade. Realistically that’s the only way guardians meet final deaths. The immortality of throne worlds are pale imitations of guardian resurrection so the guardians will always win in a war of attrition. If Xivu had fought us and been sent back to her throne world it would be a repeat of Oryx and she would have already lost the war at that point. She always could only have won by standing her ground with one decisive attack, and now through the machinations of Savathun, the hunger of her work and the lack of siblings to turn to, Xivu is left with the only possible option being to do just that.
Plot twist, its us. We're the challenger to Xivu. We kill her, claim their throne. Our new red darkness super is Hive based, and our newfound branch if power is discovered while coming to end her permanently.
My question is, if we had to go into Crota, Savathun, and Oryx’s throne world to do any form of fatal damage to them, wouldn’t the same thing apply to Xivu? My thoughts were that we gave her exactly what she wants if Hive Gods can only be killed in their throne worlds.
If she can't enter her throne world, then if she dies in the real world, she dies for good. We only had to enter their throne worlds to kill them because dying in the real world just sends them to their throne worlds. They aren't invincible in real space, in fact they're significantly weaker in the real world vs in their thrones, its just that they could cheat death. Xivu can't cheat death any more.
It’s still very likely the black terrace will become a plot point later in the story either as someone else claim it or cause Xivu is about to re claim it.
I think it might’ve been more interesting if she was locked IN to her throne world, mostly because now we have no obvious reason to go there and may never see it in game
They totally did that, tho so we couldn't. Hell, this season, they went all in on describing how much gore it had, battlefields from previous conflicts forced into it temples built from corpses, a throne of bones by two shattered thrones that used to belong to her siblings. Like full-on body horror, clearly they did this so they don't have to go through the effort, and so they don't make the game M rated. Wasted potiental tbh.
I'm curious as to whether or not the Black Terrace would deteriorate over time with no ruler to take the throne. I know that the Mindbender's throne world immediately began deteriorating after his death (granted his was weak and already unstable) but it's an interesting thought.
It would be a shame if all this ends up being an excuse to not ever see Xivu’s throne world. Like I’m not one of those people who accuses Bungie of being lazy or anything, but it would be a bummer if now we have no reason to go there and we never get to see the last of the Hive sibling’s throne worlds.
Could it be possible that Xivu Arath could create a new throne world? I mean she created one when she became a hive god so is there a chance she can create another?
Couldn’t Xivu create a new Throne World. Since she completed cut off from her old Throne, and she should still meet all the requirements to create a Throne.
So this comment is probably going to get lost in time but whatever. I have a theory about the traveler after watching this video. What if the portal to inside the travel is a throne world but built on the power of creation instead of destruction. It's a little far fetched but it can kinda make sense. Oryx, savathun, and xivu all to a degree rely on some form of destruction to create their throne world. Oryx from death, xivu from war, and savathun from deception. All forms of destruction. The traveler is all about creating. An example is the teraforming of worlds to be habitial for life. And if you remember the cut scene from when the traveler shot that beam of light, it didn't "destroy" the ship as much as it created life in the form of the tree of silver wings and the vegetation you see in the raid. Again, a bit far fetched but something to ponder about
Since they're are still lore pages and a few more recordings left, that gives me hope that we'll either hear or read Xivu's reaction to her banishment.
@@gargathulothhastur4981 Not in this case. Wanting revenge isn't sword logic. We proved our right to exist by killing oryx yet she wants revenge for his death.
While the most likely outcome is that either Tolan will move in, or more likely another powerful Hive in the future, I'm thinking it's also possible that the Throne World might just fall apart if left unoccupied long enough. Like threads in clothing slowly breaking and becoming undone, or parts of the earth slowly being eroded by water flows. If it's not filled up or found and destroyed it's possible that it'll simply wash away.
@@farismallah5740 I'm basing it off the logic of there needing to be a powerful will to form it, I'm assuming it also needs said will to keep it together, and if no one is there it'll kinda fall apart before just becoming part of the Sea of Screams again.
this probably is the case, looking at savathuns throne when she was MIA while in custody of mara sov her throne world was decomposing, we see her old throne world in ruin in the swamp area the area there is all the destroyed buildings, so it probably is the case that Xivus throne world will fall into similar ruin
@@Noblesix84as far as we know, throne worlds can decay to a certain degree, but they cannot fully undo themselves. Drifter has access to a vacant throne world where he pulls the taken he uses for Gambit, he has access, but not control or ownership over it, as it is vacant. Now we also know that smaller throne worlds, like the mindbender's, cannot be sustained without it's creator's will and end up collapsing upon themselves. This leads me to believe that a throne world can only remain by itself, uncontrolled, if it's large enough or has been controlled by a powerful enough being, while smaller throne worlds do not have the raw energy necessary to maintain themselves.
@voltus20 if you're referencing Bright Side of a Bad Idea, it's pretty clearly _not_ a throne world being discussed: "He's secured a pocket of the Ascendant plane. Not a throne world, nothing that grand, but a big enough chunk to matter-and he's gone and caged an army." I believe this would have been part of the Nine's gift of the Haul (Malphur assumes Drifter set it up himself, but he's obviously seen the Haul and never mentions the Nine, so this may just be his own misguided conclusion). However, I'm not entirely certain on that point.
We havent seen Xivu in full render in-game right? Did I miss that? I know we've seen her in the drawn cutscenes, but not in game? Do we think thats next season?
We'll most likely get our first good look at her either in The Final Shape as a cutscene or cinematic, followed by some real action in the Heresy episode
The banishment might make Xivu desperate. She might lash out, hoping to take as many down with her as she can. I think this situation made her even more dangerous.
Gonna have a wonderful time with the post final shape stories w/ Xivu. Her dealing with this AND the witness possibly losing? goot shit incoming, that is for certain.
It's possible. That could also open the possibility to whoever is left inside forming a new brood in her absence, and taking ownership of the throne world, if they are powerful enough, especially after her failure.
Eris spoke of cutting off a “field of open graves” that may mean many ascendant hive of Xivus brood also lost their thrones. Remember “failures chisel shapes as much as victories hammer” to quote Xivu herself I’d just like to say how much I love the voice of Xivu
I think Xivu's banishment may have her do something risk, maybe try to take over what was once Oryx's throne world as her own, after all Oryx's throne world was the dreadnought so she may try to take that and in one hell of a thing try to ram the earth and maybe the traveler with the dreadnought to take her enemy's with her and to hopefully be finally free to join her kin.
@@throwitouttheairlock9556You're right, but Xivu is desperate and it'd be the best temporary thing to spike her power and assault her enemies, Savathūn and us the Guardians. Anything will do, and that is what makes her especially dangerous at the moment
@@throwitouttheairlock9556while you are completely right it also just sounds bad as as fuck for her to do as she's piloting it not plotting of course and leaving
Some possible outcomes of these events are that A) Xivu will beg Savathun to help rid her of her worm before it devours her. B) She will attempt to take Oryx's Dreadnaught and claim it as her new Throne World (the fact that the dreadnought is basically a throneworld twisted inside out to manifest in the material plane could help with this). C) She will go all out and try to take as many of us with her as possible.
@@gilgameshlancer88 No, Oryx died in his own Throne World. It is impossible for him to revive via his Throne. The only possible ways he could come back is through the light or by hive necromancy. The problem with both methods is that necromancy is forbidden by hive law, and with the light the lucent hive did attempt to revive Oryx by giving him a ghost however this was stopped by the guardian in ghosts of the deep dungeon and afterwards Oryx’s body was taken by the vanguard to contained in to prevent the lucent hive from making another attempt.
I feel like Mara is going to find the Black terrace and make it her own. She's already proven her ability to navigate the ascendant planes and spaces. Loved the vid. Good job bud.
It’s a shame that the third season has always been my burnout phase, bc both Season of the Plunder and this season have been some of my favorite with content
Just take a break, im taking my break doing my weekly raid for red borders then playing other games until the next season. Always helps with my burnout and means i go into the next season fresh
@@agripinaa8684 best way to do it this time of the year! Too many players dont take a break even when burntout and make things worse! Im loving Lies of P and AC6 atm
If Xivu were to find her way back into her throne world, would she be able to reclaim it by default? Oryx had absolute control over his and was able to conjure his wipe mechanic despite our fireteam proving that we were the strongest in the throne world and not him
My question is how permanent the banishment is. Obviously Xivu is not as cunning as Savathun or even Eris. So I don’t expect to her to out think this banishment. But If there is some way to regain access to her throne world, Xivu will kill everything and everyone in between her and it. I could be missing something, my knowledge on the awoken and Mara and her throne world is very limited, so it could have proven that once the connection is broken it is permanent, but if we don’t have certainty here, its more than a little possible someone will try.
With her throne abdicated by force, Xivu Arath looks to Kelgorath once again to take her mantle and fight as her mighty champion.
I doubt Kelgorath will take up the mantle of the God of War after what we saw of him back in Season of the Deep, but then again, Kelgorath has always been a persistent foe.
Most likely to make herself feel better
God I freaking hope lmao
It would complete his Taniks arc if he was the final boss of a raid that would have take place in Xivu’s throne world.
Xivu should take her hive and proceed to worship and offer everything possible to Nezarec to resurrect him and TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT INSANE POWER DYNAMIC OF XIVU AND NEZAREC JUICING EACH OTHER UP BUNGIE DO THIS PLEASE!!!!!
I feel no one seems to talk much about how Eris Morn's actions once again pull us further away from the Dark Timeline. In the Dark Timeline, according to Elsie Bray, Eris Morn became the new Witch Queen. With her current actions, she REJECTED all the powers she could have had.
I’m fully expecting Toland to take over a throne world sometime soon. He’s been a background player for so long I can imagine him getting a shine in the episode called Heresy
You sir have my attention🧐
Right been saying the same thing for years, Toland needs to claim the dreadnought as his throne world and come back into being, being real I don’t want him to end up evil, but seeing him be the first person to go from losing his light to gaining darkness to gaining a throne world and then maybe gaining prismatic
With Xivu Arath now banished from her own Throne World, no doubt losing a lot of her power, and the Witness currently in the Traveler, I could see Eramis try to take advantage of the situation and try to get what’s left of her house away from the Witness and Xivu Arath’s remaining forces. However, she’ll need help, and while she doesn’t trust the Guardians or Mithrax, she is desperate and might turn to Eido for help. This could potentially be a plot next season
I hope not lol that would be nothing like erimis she is made to be jaded till the day she dies this is shown by here nearly killing all her people when she opened up the vex gate.
We still have to deal with accessing the portal in the traveler, so that's 100% going to be the focus next season.
I do see Eramis being more relevant *after* The Final Shape, maybe in the second episode, as it seems to be related to the scorn, and one of the big things she feared from the witness was how he was turning her old friends and allies into scorn. Maybe there could be some tie in there.
Xivu hasn't lost any power, she's just lost access to her immortality, which knowing her she'll find some way to force her way back into her throne world or a way to make a new one
@@orangesoda51414 she’s powerful still yes but without her throne world, or access to it she can never unleash the same terrifying power she once had, like how invaded Torobatl
Something I haven’t seen much talk about is whether or not other Hive could try to ascend to godhood. What’s stopping Paul the Thrall from performing a ritual and becoming the hive God of Hallways. Bungie has an opening to create future powerful hive villains that can rise to power in their own domains
This. THIS is the biggest "Fuck you" we have done to Hive so far, and I LOVE it.
It’s important to note that Toland’s quote wasn’t referring to a Throne World vacancy.
He was referring to a vacancy in the Hive power structure.
When Oryx was killed in the Taken King campaign he was banished to his own Throne, trapped within until he could return to physical form. This is why Eris sent us to kill Alak-Hul, as he was a prime candidate to take up the reigns while Oryx was indisposed.
Honestly this entire situation had better be explored in greater detail in the coming weeks, because it’s bad enough that the banishment was lacklustre. We have no idea whether Xivu’s connection to the Throne has been severed entirely, or if she simply cannot return to it. Even that fundamental distinction has wildly different knock on effects.
Eris did say “now and FOREVER, you are banished”
So I take that meaning that Xivu is permanently locked out of her Throne World
@@MrVidman14 Not the point.
Whether she’s just been banished or had her connection severed is the issue at hand.
The connection being severed means her Throne World would have likely collapsed as Oryx’s did. Being banished ensures that Xivu is still maintaining the Throne despite not being able to return.
Both have wildly different implications.
@@seanmurphy7845 you really think Eris would not consider that when Banishing her, if she can still use her throne world that would mean that she can still have her forces invade the Sol system
@@seanmurphy7845 also Eris tells us she Severed Xivus connection to her Throne World, meaning she is fully cut off
I literally screamed laughing when Eris explained what she did. Xivu is vulnerable now. We're gonna suplex her into the sun.
I hope that post final shape well have a season where we help Caitil retake torobatl and maybe a separate season where we explore and the claim Xivu arath’s throne world
I think that the Black Terrace would be suited as the setting for a Raid, but we might be repeating Taniks with Kelgorath serving as the final boss.
Black Terrace: "for rent"
Kelgorath: *rubs hands* "My time is now"
First a Rant: Xivu just pulled a Navota.
Second: I like how Xivu went from Hating Savathun, to liking her for making Eris a hive god (Tempority) and probably hating her more after the finale.
Third: Hey Byf, I had this question that's been in my head for a long time, IS it possible that we guardians can have our own Throne world, given all that we done and after what happened after this season's finale? or Can Erin have her own TW with all the Tithes she collected?
I love the fact that xivu has to be tactical now after losing her throne world
honestly if there's one thing this video has taught me.
it's that the now vacant throne world, would make some epic player housing; literally transforming it to our will like a proper throne world
*even more feasible since we've been becoming increasingly more masterful of hive magics
>Final Shape comes out
>Raid is released
>There's a secret mechanic to the raid that swaps the final boss of the raid from whatever it was to Kratos.
Mara is looking at Xivus throne world like “it's free real estate”
Now the question. If she can't access her throne world. How much of an army does she have left since she had her whole army waiting to come out from her throne world
Oh, imagine if Xivu Arath has a child that is designed and named as a Shout Out to "God of War", and they are the central antagonist of the Heresy Episode.
I think Toland's overdue for some new digs, and I'd love to see him take advantage of a vacancy in the ascendant real estate sphere
Oh, i forgot the logistical loss this would have on her armies. That is incredible devastating, limiting her forces to the hives conventional space forces, who may not even have a conventional FTL method means the forces of the hive are massively limited on their ability to overwhelm and perform so many of their prominent strategies.
I offer one important piece of advice to all who read this comment:
NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE LOGISTICS.
I can't believe Byf made a God of War quip. Then again, that probably should've been expected, given the topic of this video...
My bet for who gets the terrace is in this order: (most likely to least)
- Kelgorath (probably taken by force. Prove himself by slaying some powerful ascendant hive)
- Toland
- Eris
- Currently unknown or different ascendant hive
- Mara
The first 2 I think would be the most likely. Middle 2 are somewhat unlikely, and Mara is possible but I wouldn’t bet on it. Kelgorath and Toland just make such good story lines for Heresy
Personally I would love to see the size of our guardian's throne world as while we don't always use the sword logic to amass power, the times we do clearly cement our strength over the hive pantheon, and the only reason we don't have our own throne world (seemingly) is because we refuse to take the mantle of the hive gods we killed. And on a similar note I would love to have another game that is more of an open experience allowing for full class customization and allowing our guardians to choose whether we stand firmly in the light, are corrupted by darkness like Dredgen Yor, or are wary of Light and Darkness like the Drifter.
Caiatl does still want to crush Xivu Arath's head in her own hands. That one thing just went from "statement of bluster" to "attainable life goal".
Xivu: ah yes the sword logic we embrse it openly and prove strength against enemy
*looses immortality*
Xivu: ah yes we prove pur strengh against the enemy (shoves nearest thrall to fight in her sted)
you should make a destiny lore iceberg explained there is already ones on destiny as a whole from other channels but a lore one would be cool
]]]Xi Ro never had any ambition of her own. She will look to her fallen subjugators for inspiration. The worms: Eir, Ur, Yul. The Upended. The Veil. She will take all that she can from what remains. It takes no imagination to see where she may go next. But the question remains: will you have the resources to stop her on all fronts, or will you see yourself stretched too thin?[[[
We missed a vital point nokris. Hes still around
I hope one of the future "episodes" takes us to Torobattle.
What if savathun takes up the vacant roles? I.e she would become the Queen of war, Queen of cunning, and the Taken Queen. Allowing her to gain power through fighting wars, tricking enemies, and have complete control over an otherwise uncontrollable force the taken. And to get there she used us as she always does and now, unknowingly, we have essentially hand walked her into more power than we have ever known
Hive after Xivu gets force evicted from her house “it’s free real estate”.
Toland's going to take it over. We haven't heard from him in a while
Id love to see a future cutscene of Catial kicking the crap out of Xivu Arath.
How awesome would it be that if next season we went to Torobatl and got it back for the Cabal.
How much do you wanna bet that when Eris ejected Xivu from her throne world, she tied US to it to keep it stable and make sure that no matter what, we would survive our fight with the witness.
Well, at least now we have an excuse to fight her mono e mono. She'll probably see killing us as a way to gain enough tribute to become Ascendant again and regain her Throne World/get a new one. Can't wait for the boss fight against her!
If we can get a xivu arath boss fight that will be a complete set of oryx savathun and xivu raid
Kratos in her throne world would be a crazy raid/dungeon boss lol
I wonder what it was like for her being kicked out. Was she torn from her throneworld or was it more like she left the keys in the car
Imagine xivu comes back with a ghost like savathune
Kelgorath will finally rise up and fill the void after we turn Xivu into an exotic.
It’s interesting how she relied on resurrection despite claiming the sword logic. I wonder if she could actually gain greater power by accepting being forced to a purer version sword logic? The implicit strength of infinite attrition dulls the need for singular instantaneous force. It forces Xivu’s tactic to change from a barrage of hammer strikes to one concentrated blow, something much more analogous to the thrust of a blade. Realistically that’s the only way guardians meet final deaths. The immortality of throne worlds are pale imitations of guardian resurrection so the guardians will always win in a war of attrition. If Xivu had fought us and been sent back to her throne world it would be a repeat of Oryx and she would have already lost the war at that point. She always could only have won by standing her ground with one decisive attack, and now through the machinations of Savathun, the hunger of her work and the lack of siblings to turn to, Xivu is left with the only possible option being to do just that.
I just hope this doesn't mean we don't get to at least see the Terrace in person.
Maybe WE take her Throne and assume the power in order to kill her.
Did anyone else catch byf saying who knows probably kratos there
Plot twist, its us. We're the challenger to Xivu. We kill her, claim their throne. Our new red darkness super is Hive based, and our newfound branch if power is discovered while coming to end her permanently.
Kratos be like. WITNESSS LET ME SHOW YOU THESE HANDS. I AM THE GOD OF WAR
i hope we still get to see Xivu's Throne World at some point even with this banishment stuff
Am I the only one imagining the next hive god of war shouting "BOY" ?
I assume that the upcoming dungeon will take place in her Throne World, and the boss will be the Fanatic.
Let me get guess when the final shape dlc comes out. we find Taox inside the Traveler and use her as bait for Xivu Arath
Heresy post-Final Shape is helping Cabal retake Torabatl
It will be cool if her throne world becomes a new PVP for us to use. The way it is described sounds cool.
it would be funny if us guardians just take xivus throne world and use it to clear out the ascendent realm
What about bringing her black terrace into the physical realm like oryxs dreadnaught?
My question is, if we had to go into Crota, Savathun, and Oryx’s throne world to do any form of fatal damage to them, wouldn’t the same thing apply to Xivu? My thoughts were that we gave her exactly what she wants if Hive Gods can only be killed in their throne worlds.
If she can't enter her throne world, then if she dies in the real world, she dies for good. We only had to enter their throne worlds to kill them because dying in the real world just sends them to their throne worlds. They aren't invincible in real space, in fact they're significantly weaker in the real world vs in their thrones, its just that they could cheat death. Xivu can't cheat death any more.
This is cool, but disappointed that we'll never see her Throneworld now
It’s still very likely the black terrace will become a plot point later in the story either as someone else claim it or cause Xivu is about to re claim it.
Curious if we see and get to finish off Xivu or another big name besides the Witness in the next raid in the Final Shape
I think it might’ve been more interesting if she was locked IN to her throne world, mostly because now we have no obvious reason to go there and may never see it in game
Nonsense. After we kill her, we have to loot her throne world. 😂
They totally did that, tho so we couldn't. Hell, this season, they went all in on describing how much gore it had, battlefields from previous conflicts forced into it temples built from corpses, a throne of bones by two shattered thrones that used to belong to her siblings. Like full-on body horror, clearly they did this so they don't have to go through the effort, and so they don't make the game M rated. Wasted potiental tbh.
@@riskrunner4532 yeah, like at least give us some concept art of the temples and thrones bungo…
I see the leviathan eater taking her throne. Hes strong enough to have his own TW so the kill in Savathuns TW only sent him back to his.
Now that Osmium Dynasty is almost done with, What if Taox comes back and claims Xivu's throne?
Can Caitl take the Black Terrace? Maybe the tear is still open on Torobatl
I'm curious as to whether or not the Black Terrace would deteriorate over time with no ruler to take the throne. I know that the Mindbender's throne world immediately began deteriorating after his death (granted his was weak and already unstable) but it's an interesting thought.
Mara's did too. And was basically indistinguishable from the rest of the ascendant plane by the time we got there.
It would be a shame if all this ends up being an excuse to not ever see Xivu’s throne world. Like I’m not one of those people who accuses Bungie of being lazy or anything, but it would be a bummer if now we have no reason to go there and we never get to see the last of the Hive sibling’s throne worlds.
Poor auntie Arath...
Where all that Savthun's power go, if Eris didn't accept it?
Wait, when did Xivu get banished and become mortal?! I missed something so big when I stop playing for a month...
Could it be possible that Xivu Arath could create a new throne world? I mean she created one when she became a hive god so is there a chance she can create another?
What's the likelihood that Xivu Arath will be the final boss in the Final Shape Raid?
finally the video not about his opinion but the actual lore
Man what if Xivû Arâth pulls a kamikaze and Savathûn and the Lucent Brood bail us out?
Caital is eating well now.
Couldn’t Xivu create a new Throne World. Since she completed cut off from her old Throne, and she should still meet all the requirements to create a Throne.
Eris became landlord and evicted xivu. This is how ill exclusively explain it to people because its funny and basically a simplified version
what if caiatl invaded and conquered xivu arath's throne world
So this comment is probably going to get lost in time but whatever. I have a theory about the traveler after watching this video. What if the portal to inside the travel is a throne world but built on the power of creation instead of destruction. It's a little far fetched but it can kinda make sense. Oryx, savathun, and xivu all to a degree rely on some form of destruction to create their throne world. Oryx from death, xivu from war, and savathun from deception. All forms of destruction. The traveler is all about creating. An example is the teraforming of worlds to be habitial for life. And if you remember the cut scene from when the traveler shot that beam of light, it didn't "destroy" the ship as much as it created life in the form of the tree of silver wings and the vegetation you see in the raid. Again, a bit far fetched but something to ponder about
Be cool if Tolland took it over
Xivu will be dewormed and resurrected as a Hive Guardian. Fact.
The Traveler Protects.
Could she make a new Thone World?
Kratos the new Hive god of war 😂
can mara sov not "cure" her throneworld, can she not make another one?
xivu: get kickd outta her throne world
Me: should've had a vpn and this wouldn't have happened lmao😂
Did he say “Kratos “?
Would be funny if Xivu gets resurrected after getting dropped.
Kinda want her to find her way back to the black terrace or make a new throne world. Xivu deserves an expansion, we do not need another Xol situation.
Kelgorath for hive god of war, hes got my vote lol
Lets not ignore the fact that if we or someone else kills xivu arath she will likely be resurrected by the light.
Since they're are still lore pages and a few more recordings left, that gives me hope that we'll either hear or read Xivu's reaction to her banishment.
Imagine the loudest scream ever recorded, but being transmited through the 5th dimension. That's what I imagine It to be.
@@bigbangrafa8435Should she not be happy? That's the sword logic.
@@gargathulothhastur4981 lol yup. But from what Savathún mentioned this season as well, Xivu’s sort of a hypocrite.
@@jsmaster4779 Savvy is a liar
@@gargathulothhastur4981 Not in this case. Wanting revenge isn't sword logic. We proved our right to exist by killing oryx yet she wants revenge for his death.
While the most likely outcome is that either Tolan will move in, or more likely another powerful Hive in the future, I'm thinking it's also possible that the Throne World might just fall apart if left unoccupied long enough. Like threads in clothing slowly breaking and becoming undone, or parts of the earth slowly being eroded by water flows. If it's not filled up or found and destroyed it's possible that it'll simply wash away.
I mean yeah the black terrace could…decompose? I don’t know if it’s literally a living thing or if it’s just xivu being dramatic
@@farismallah5740 I'm basing it off the logic of there needing to be a powerful will to form it, I'm assuming it also needs said will to keep it together, and if no one is there it'll kinda fall apart before just becoming part of the Sea of Screams again.
this probably is the case, looking at savathuns throne when she was MIA while in custody of mara sov her throne world was decomposing, we see her old throne world in ruin in the swamp area the area there is all the destroyed buildings, so it probably is the case that Xivus throne world will fall into similar ruin
@@Noblesix84as far as we know, throne worlds can decay to a certain degree, but they cannot fully undo themselves. Drifter has access to a vacant throne world where he pulls the taken he uses for Gambit, he has access, but not control or ownership over it, as it is vacant.
Now we also know that smaller throne worlds, like the mindbender's, cannot be sustained without it's creator's will and end up collapsing upon themselves.
This leads me to believe that a throne world can only remain by itself, uncontrolled, if it's large enough or has been controlled by a powerful enough being, while smaller throne worlds do not have the raw energy necessary to maintain themselves.
@voltus20 if you're referencing Bright Side of a Bad Idea, it's pretty clearly _not_ a throne world being discussed: "He's secured a pocket of the Ascendant plane. Not a throne world, nothing that grand, but a big enough chunk to matter-and he's gone and caged an army." I believe this would have been part of the Nine's gift of the Haul (Malphur assumes Drifter set it up himself, but he's obviously seen the Haul and never mentions the Nine, so this may just be his own misguided conclusion). However, I'm not entirely certain on that point.
Damn I loved that scene
Witch Queen: "All according to my plan"
Eris: "This was never your plan"
We havent seen Xivu in full render in-game right? Did I miss that? I know we've seen her in the drawn cutscenes, but not in game? Do we think thats next season?
my best guess is it'll be one of the post-final shape episodes
I bet the hive themed episode will be some sort of Torobatl ‘campaign’ with Caiatls cabal against Xivus forces.
We'll most likely get our first good look at her either in The Final Shape as a cutscene or cinematic, followed by some real action in the Heresy episode
The banishment might make Xivu desperate. She might lash out, hoping to take as many down with her as she can. I think this situation made her even more dangerous.
So glad you aren't writing for the story.
@@GO-sz1nvHe added some realism into it, its mutual assused destruction. If she's going to die, then she'll do so following her idealogies.
@@GO-sz1nv I'd lose my mind.
Dangerous but vulnerable
@@drewleer7854 Right, she either dies to another ascendant Hive, her worm or us. Might as well cause the most death and destruction before her end.
This story this season was money.
Cash money
Gonna have a wonderful time with the post final shape stories w/ Xivu. Her dealing with this AND the witness possibly losing? goot shit incoming, that is for certain.
😂😂😂
She does like Callus
I mean duh, it's a business.😐
Hypothetically, if Xivu had forces lying in wait in the throne world, would they now be trapped inside due to Eris's influence?
It's possible.
That could also open the possibility to whoever is left inside forming a new brood in her absence, and taking ownership of the throne world, if they are powerful enough, especially after her failure.
no cuz she only banished Xivu not other hive, they'd be able to go in and out freely
@@orangesoda51414eh, but the way Throne Worlds work, we may see a new leader arrive in the throne world.
Eris spoke of cutting off a “field of open graves” that may mean many ascendant hive of Xivus brood also lost their thrones. Remember “failures chisel shapes as much as victories hammer” to quote Xivu herself
I’d just like to say how much I love the voice of Xivu
I think that was in reference to the fact that xivu can no longer gain power from war but thats just me
@@christophertidwell2422Xivu is still the god of war, she just has no backup for when she dies
I think my problem with this season is it felt like it should have been a whole expansion with xivu being the raid boss
That's what I've been thinking as well.
They probably needed to do something along the lines of trickery first because To fight Xivu head on is war on her terms and practically unwinable.
I think Xivu's banishment may have her do something risk, maybe try to take over what was once Oryx's throne world as her own, after all Oryx's throne world was the dreadnought so she may try to take that and in one hell of a thing try to ram the earth and maybe the traveler with the dreadnought to take her enemy's with her and to hopefully be finally free to join her kin.
Seems a bit too “almighty” esque for them to do
@@throwitouttheairlock9556You're right, but Xivu is desperate and it'd be the best temporary thing to spike her power and assault her enemies, Savathūn and us the Guardians. Anything will do, and that is what makes her especially dangerous at the moment
@dyuschtheprotonarrator4957 With no safety net, I expect her to go balls to the wall
Seems likely considering Bungie is a company that do not want to overdeliver and are masters of reused assets.
@@throwitouttheairlock9556while you are completely right it also just sounds bad as as fuck for her to do as she's piloting it not plotting of course and leaving
Some possible outcomes of these events are that A) Xivu will beg Savathun to help rid her of her worm before it devours her. B) She will attempt to take Oryx's Dreadnaught and claim it as her new Throne World (the fact that the dreadnought is basically a throneworld twisted inside out to manifest in the material plane could help with this). C) She will go all out and try to take as many of us with her as possible.
Tbh id love to see her take oryx's throne either pre or post final shape especially since it's a material world throne world
by doing that wouldn’t that resurrect oryx?
@@gilgameshlancer88 No, Oryx died in his own Throne World. It is impossible for him to revive via his Throne. The only possible ways he could come back is through the light or by hive necromancy. The problem with both methods is that necromancy is forbidden by hive law, and with the light the lucent hive did attempt to revive Oryx by giving him a ghost however this was stopped by the guardian in ghosts of the deep dungeon and afterwards Oryx’s body was taken by the vanguard to contained in to prevent the lucent hive from making another attempt.
I feel like Mara is going to find the Black terrace and make it her own. She's already proven her ability to navigate the ascendant planes and spaces. Loved the vid. Good job bud.
It’s a shame that the third season has always been my burnout phase, bc both Season of the Plunder and this season have been some of my favorite with content
Just take a break, im taking my break doing my weekly raid for red borders then playing other games until the next season. Always helps with my burnout and means i go into the next season fresh
Yea, I also play ffxiv, so if I ever get burnt out on one, I have the other to goof around on.
@@fishnutz5196 oh no, I’m fully invested into AC6 and World of Tanks now, I come back for some basic weeklies and the plot
@@agripinaa8684 best way to do it this time of the year! Too many players dont take a break even when burntout and make things worse! Im loving Lies of P and AC6 atm
If Xivu were to find her way back into her throne world, would she be able to reclaim it by default? Oryx had absolute control over his and was able to conjure his wipe mechanic despite our fireteam proving that we were the strongest in the throne world and not him
My question is how permanent the banishment is. Obviously Xivu is not as cunning as Savathun or even Eris. So I don’t expect to her to out think this banishment. But If there is some way to regain access to her throne world, Xivu will kill everything and everyone in between her and it.
I could be missing something, my knowledge on the awoken and Mara and her throne world is very limited, so it could have proven that once the connection is broken it is permanent, but if we don’t have certainty here, its more than a little possible someone will try.
It’s possible, but I reckon Xivu would need to acquire enough tribute to be more powerful than Eris was