Hi Chad. Linear/audio refers to how the resistance changes as you turn the pot. A linear pot will have half the resistance when turned half way. And audio taper pot increase resistance more slow, then faster and faster as you turn the pot, in a logarithmic curve. The reason they use audio pots for volume is because the response of the human ear is logarithmic. A wave of twice the amplitude does not sound twice as loud to the human ear. You need to make it many time the amplitude to double to apparent volume. If you use a linear pot it will be very sensitive at lower settings, not so much at higher setting. The difference in volume between 1 and 2 will be much greater than 2 to 3, which will be greater then 3 to 4, and so on. If you use an audio pot (also called a log pot), then you should hear a fairly smooth increase in volume as you increase the pot. Some Marshall amps use a linear pot for the master volume, which is why they're fairly loud at low settings.
This is incredibly useful. I’ve just gotten a JT-69, so I’m only just digging into Workbench, and you not only answered all my initial questions, but anticipated and answered my second wave of questions. Bravo!
Thanks Chad. I was looking for a way to custom tune a 12 string from a D and D octave to a D and the C below that octave. The harmonica player wants to do When the Levee Breaks. I was doing it in Open E with a capo up to an F but now I can just do a custom tuning. It sounds perfect now. I was also able to save Nashville tuning as a custom tuning. All in all it's a very versatile instrument.
I knew it had to have a way to change the alt tuning knob presets. Since I got my Variax I have been thinking, why didn't they make that an option. Thanks man.
You can also do it directly on the guitar without connecting the guitar to a computer. I’ve had my JTV-59 for 4 years, and I’ve never used Workbench to change the tunings. It’s all described in the manual.
Changing the resistance pot value to a higher resistance will effectively result in more treble. It's a shame we can't alter these precisely. Linear and Audio taper change the curve at which the volume decreases. You can find charts online that explain this.
I have a question. Is it possible to detune the strings slightly? Not by a whole semitone, but something that would simulate tuning to Concert Pitch A = 445 rather than 440? Some songs are recorded in perfect tune, and it would be great to be able to play along with them without having to return the guitar (which is after all, one of the reasons for buying a Variax in the first place)
@@ChadHuskey given that works for the 440Hz to 445Hz, if you still would like to have the 12 string at 445Hz, then you would have to use a pitch shifter at +12 and mix at 50%?
@@zakklee2556 I belive that would be correct. That the 12 string should follow the tuning of altered pitch, but I haven't tried that specific setup to confirm that.
Hi Chad - finally got the green light on my USB connection - it downloaded the 60 items from Workbench and it changes models when I flip the model knob. BUT - when I go to each model whether electric or acoustic I don't hear a change in tone or guitar AT ALL through my amp. I have sound but it is just a generic tone of the Variax Guitar itself not changing to the different guitars. Did I miss something?
Glad you got the hook up working! Just to confirm 100% that what's coming though your amp is the Variax signal or the magnetic pickups, turn the tuning knob to an alternate tuning and see if it changes.
There is an older version of workbench, pre workbench hd, that works with the Variax 300. I don't remember if there is a separate firmware updater for the older Variax guitars, from memory it should work in monkey. If you can't get it to work contact line 6 support and they should be able to help you out 👍
im using a variax 600 and 700 (acoustic) with workbench v3.10 (2010 i think) can i use workbench hd with these models running windows 10? cant seem to find the download on line6, do you know where else i can download it from, that is if i can use it. thanks
Unfortunately you can't use Workbench HD with the older Variax models. The JTV series, the Shuriken, and the Standard are the models that are compatible with Workbench HD and the 2.x firmware for Variax.
Hi Chad, thank you for these videos. Can you please tell us where to download the Workbench HD software? And is there an iOS app for it? Thank you so much! Looking forward to downloading your presets.
Glad you are enjoying the videos! You just need to go to Line 6's website and go to the downloads section. Choose Workbench HD from the software drop down menu. You don't need to worry about choosing hardware, just software. Unfortunately there isn't a mobile app available.
Thank you for your help. I downloaded WB and made some adjustments to my JTV that I didn’t realize was possible until I saw your series on this software. Is there a way to edit the tuning presets on the Alt Tuning knob through Workbench HD? Or can those only be done on the guitar itself? Mine is basically set for virtual capos all the way up the dial, but I’d like to clean things up a little through the app (and maybe permanently re-label the knob). Many Thanks for taking the time to upload these videos!
Hi Chad, I just got my Variax 69 and wanted to know how to physically connect it to my computer to do all the stuff that you are doing. I bought it used, and It only came with a Midi cable.
You're in luck :) th-cam.com/video/agUn3VuG7JE/w-d-xo.html The cable you have most likely isn't a MIDI cable as the guitar doesn't have a MIDI connection. It's essentially a cat 5 cable. What you'll need is the Variax USB interface. You connect the Variax to that, then the interface to your computer via USB. ALSO you need to have the 1/4" cable connected to the Variax and battery charged. The reason is because the cable going to the USB interface doesn't power on the guitar. But watch the video link I put above and that should explain everything.
Do you have a bundle available to download? I've been using the normalised bundle for a little while, but I'm still not completely happy with the strat sounds
Kai here's the download link to my custom bank: www.dropbox.com/s/xb0m6szeh8tiw01/Custom%20Bank.bnk?dl=0 Here's just the Strat bank: www.dropbox.com/s/4hujzepup71d9qt/Chad%20Strat%20Bank.bnk?dl=0
Hi Chad. I am looking to buy my first Variax. The only reason is to play- sing songs in original key but let's say 4 semitones down.Standard E to Standard C tuning for example.Question is:Once I pitch shift,virtual capo or alternate tuning is the sound "natural". 99% of time playin' at home thru tube amp and impulse responses on headphones and recording.If money is not an issue witch guitar from Line 6 would you buy in 2020 ? I tried all pitch shift pedals and for chords transposing all are the joke .My main use of the technology would be "virtual capo" .Any advice,suggestions?Thanks man.
Me personally I prefer the jtv series, particularly the 69 and 59. I've always been a strat and les paul kind of guy. But the quality is good on both of them. The Shuriken guitars are great too, I'm just a bit more old school in my preferences I guess. My experience with the virtual capo is that +/- 2-3 semi tones is the most realistic. 4 is on the limit of what I use it for. However I think it does do better going down in pitch than up. I can get away with more semi tones lower than higher before I start to notice anything. But you do start to get a little warble effect (minor, but it can be noticeable in critical listening) when doing 4+ semi tones. I would suggest if at all possible to demo one and see what you think. I find it to be perfectly usable live. I've done hotel California where it was an acoustic capoed up 7 frets and it worked great in a band context. I hate to not give you a definitive yes/no answer, but I wanted to give you my most honest opinion.
@@ChadHuskey Man,thank you so much.If I set/tune Variax to Standard D and then use -2 that should do I think.I have custom build humbucker guitar that is amazing in all aspects.Line 6 guitar would be used only for recording when the song calls for it.I can't find on you tube any videos with some clips where someone using "capo" on clean channel.Maybe good idea for one of your videos in future to show others what it can do, as I think there is more ppl. out there that hope for that function to work . Really appreciate your fast response.
Are you speaking about Workbench HD, or the legacy version of Workbench for pre JTV variax guitars? I know workbench HD works on Windows 10, so I'm assuming you're referring to the older version. If that's the case the only suggestion I could give you is open a ticket with Line 6 to see if they have any workarounds.
Gotcha. I figured that might be the case, and yes that's most likely the issue. I'd still recommend opening a ticket with Line 6 to see what they say. Thinking about other workarounds what I would personally try is to setup a Windows XP virtual machine. I don't know if you've used virtual machines before, but it's basically like running a computer inside of a computer. The virtual machine is software only and "borrows" the hardware connections on your computer, such as USB ports. I haven't used these in a long time, but one of the better free virtual machine pieces of software from what I remember is Virtual Box by Oracle. I also think there are free copies of Windows XP available to download. If you did this you could run the VM on your PC and install the older version of workbench there. I haven't messed with VM's in years, but used to a lot when I did IT work. So I know it's very doable, but I'm way out of the loop on the latest in the VM world. I don't know how comfortable you are with tech, and if you aren't really into computer stuff this would probably be a lot of trouble to go to setting up for just the one application. But it should be doable. I have no doubt there's lots of TH-cam videos out there on how to do this. I haven't messed around with this stuff in years, so I won't be any help with the step by step setup, but if you want to get workbench running it might be worth looking into. Hope this helps.
One question. I have read that I can connect the guitar to a computer using XT Live or X3 Live. Is this true, and are they my only options? Ok, that was two questions.😉
Sorry for the delay getting back to you. To be honest I don't remember if you can connect to workbench through those units. I know you can via hd500. But it's been too many years since I've used those to remember 😉 If you aren't already on the Variax Facebook group join that and ask there. I'm sure someone will know 👍
Whe I try to install on PC, I get: This application requires a 32 bit Java Runtime Environment 1.6.0 and on a Mac I get: This package is is incompatible with this version of macOs. Line 6 considers Workbench a Legacy product so they won’t help.
@@jaimemoreno55 so there are 2 versions of workbench. The original version that works with Variax 300-700 models, and workbench hd which works with the current lineup. I'm assuming you're running the older version of workbench correct? If so the only thing I've heard of other folks doing is setting up a virtual machine running an older version of windows in it. Aside from that I don't think you can run the older workbench on newer computers.
At the risk of being brutally annoying (since I have asked this question on other videos), is it possible for you to share with us whether or not it is possible to use Workbench software to simulate a nylon string guitar?
Not an annoying question at all. Currently there isn't a nylon string model in Variax. I'm not aware of any way to get that sound through workbench edits. I wish I could tell you there was a way.
@@Shred_The_Weapon I think the closest you could come to this (if you also use a Helix) would be a custom IR of a nylon string guitar made with the Variax in mind. It would be fantastic if Line 6 created a flash memory update that included a nylon string model among other things.
I came here because I m not satisfied the factory setups of my Velorex (standard) in gigging context. The acoustics are bass heavy, the volume difference between the alnico pups and the piezo is too much, and I also feel some dynamic issues when playing the piezo.
One thing I'd recommend on the acoustic models is to play around with the tone knob. This adjusts the virtual mic placement on the guitar and can make a difference. Personally I use a parametric EQ with hi/lo cuts on my presets when I play the acoustic models to take out any unwanted frequencies. I do this with a standard piezo electric/acoustic guitar as well. Even the Martin I own sounds pretty lackluster without proper EQ. Playing an acoustic live without EQ, Compression, and Reverb is just unthinkable lol As far as balancing the volume you can go into Workbench and raise the volume of the presets on the guitar. Also if you lower the magnetic pickups it will bring the volume down. If you're interested I do have a tweaked bundle on the Line 6 marketplace that updates/improves the tones of the guitar as well as volume balances everything across the board. shop.line6.com/varaix-tweaked-complete-bundle.html
Unless you have the original 500 model, which existed before workbench and never had workbench support that I'm aware of, every other Variax can be configured with workbench. The original workbench software works on all Variax guitars. Workbench hd works with jtv, standard, Shuriken models. Both versions of workbench are available for download on the line 6 website.
@@ChadHuskey I have a 500 and yes the original workbench program (not HD !) works with it, coupled with the Line 6 Variax VDI interface USB device (It's a pain to keep the ethernet cable in place to not lose contact on my old 500, but it works)
Hi Chad. Linear/audio refers to how the resistance changes as you turn the pot. A linear pot will have half the resistance when turned half way. And audio taper pot increase resistance more slow, then faster and faster as you turn the pot, in a logarithmic curve. The reason they use audio pots for volume is because the response of the human ear is logarithmic. A wave of twice the amplitude does not sound twice as loud to the human ear. You need to make it many time the amplitude to double to apparent volume.
If you use a linear pot it will be very sensitive at lower settings, not so much at higher setting. The difference in volume between 1 and 2 will be much greater than 2 to 3, which will be greater then 3 to 4, and so on. If you use an audio pot (also called a log pot), then you should hear a fairly smooth increase in volume as you increase the pot. Some Marshall amps use a linear pot for the master volume, which is why they're fairly loud at low settings.
This is incredibly useful. I’ve just gotten a JT-69, so I’m only just digging into Workbench, and you not only answered all my initial questions, but anticipated and answered my second wave of questions. Bravo!
Thanks Chad. I was looking for a way to custom tune a 12 string from a D and D octave to a D and the C below that octave. The harmonica player wants to do When the Levee Breaks. I was doing it in Open E with a capo up to an F but now I can just do a custom tuning. It sounds perfect now.
I was also able to save Nashville tuning as a custom tuning. All in all it's a very versatile instrument.
I just traded for a Variax 500. No interface with it.
Thanks for the videos. Very informative, and at a good pace for a newbie like me.
Subbed!
I knew it had to have a way to change the alt tuning knob presets. Since I got my Variax I have been thinking, why didn't they make that an option. Thanks man.
You can also do it directly on the guitar without connecting the guitar to a computer. I’ve had my JTV-59 for 4 years, and I’ve never used Workbench to change the tunings. It’s all described in the manual.
Changing the resistance pot value to a higher resistance will effectively result in more treble. It's a shame we can't alter these precisely. Linear and Audio taper change the curve at which the volume decreases. You can find charts online that explain this.
Hi chad i got a question, how do you reset the tunnings to the stock settings, i want to get a fresh start on my variax, thanks in advance brother!
I have a question. Is it possible to detune the strings slightly? Not by a whole semitone, but something that would simulate tuning to Concert Pitch A = 445 rather than 440? Some songs are recorded in perfect tune, and it would be great to be able to play along with them without having to return the guitar (which is after all, one of the reasons for buying a Variax in the first place)
Yes you can do this in Workbench. Go to the parallel pitch tab and set the mix to 100% for all strings and you can adjust the cents.
@@ChadHuskey given that works for the 440Hz to 445Hz, if you still would like to have the 12 string at 445Hz, then you would have to use a pitch shifter at +12 and mix at 50%?
@@zakklee2556 I belive that would be correct. That the 12 string should follow the tuning of altered pitch, but I haven't tried that specific setup to confirm that.
Thanks Chad things are much clearer now.
You're very welcome!
Hi Chad - finally got the green light on my USB connection - it downloaded the 60 items from Workbench and it changes models when I flip the model knob. BUT - when I go to each model whether electric or acoustic I don't hear a change in tone or guitar AT ALL through my amp. I have sound but it is just a generic tone of the Variax Guitar itself not changing to the different guitars. Did I miss something?
Glad you got the hook up working!
Just to confirm 100% that what's coming though your amp is the Variax signal or the magnetic pickups, turn the tuning knob to an alternate tuning and see if it changes.
Chad, typically 500K pots are used with Humbuckers, 250K with single coils.
can you use a variax 300 in workbench hd mine doesn't display even though it does in line 6 monkey?
There is an older version of workbench, pre workbench hd, that works with the Variax 300.
I don't remember if there is a separate firmware updater for the older Variax guitars, from memory it should work in monkey.
If you can't get it to work contact line 6 support and they should be able to help you out 👍
@@ChadHuskey thanks the older model wont run on my mac..nevermind
Cool man! Just one question - you can't change the scale right? like to 25'' or 24''
Great walk through, thanks
im using a variax 600 and 700 (acoustic) with workbench v3.10 (2010 i think) can i use workbench hd with these models running windows 10? cant seem to find the download on line6, do you know where else i can download it from, that is if i can use it. thanks
Unfortunately you can't use Workbench HD with the older Variax models. The JTV series, the Shuriken, and the Standard are the models that are compatible with Workbench HD and the 2.x firmware for Variax.
Hi Chad, thank you for these videos. Can you please tell us where to download the Workbench HD software?
And is there an iOS app for it?
Thank you so much! Looking forward to downloading your presets.
Glad you are enjoying the videos! You just need to go to Line 6's website and go to the downloads section.
Choose Workbench HD from the software drop down menu. You don't need to worry about choosing hardware, just software.
Unfortunately there isn't a mobile app available.
Thank you for your help. I downloaded WB and made some adjustments to my JTV that I didn’t realize was possible until I saw your series on this software.
Is there a way to edit the tuning presets on the Alt Tuning knob through Workbench HD? Or can those only be done on the guitar itself? Mine is basically set for virtual capos all the way up the dial, but I’d like to clean things up a little through the app (and maybe permanently re-label the knob).
Many Thanks for taking the time to upload these videos!
Hi Chad,
I just got my Variax 69 and wanted to know how to physically connect it to my computer to do all the stuff that you are doing. I bought it used, and It only came with a Midi cable.
You're in luck :) th-cam.com/video/agUn3VuG7JE/w-d-xo.html
The cable you have most likely isn't a MIDI cable as the guitar doesn't have a MIDI connection. It's essentially a cat 5 cable.
What you'll need is the Variax USB interface. You connect the Variax to that, then the interface to your computer via USB. ALSO you need to have the 1/4" cable connected to the Variax and battery charged.
The reason is because the cable going to the USB interface doesn't power on the guitar.
But watch the video link I put above and that should explain everything.
Do you have a bundle available to download? I've been using the normalised bundle for a little while, but I'm still not completely happy with the strat sounds
Kai here's the download link to my custom bank: www.dropbox.com/s/xb0m6szeh8tiw01/Custom%20Bank.bnk?dl=0
Here's just the Strat bank: www.dropbox.com/s/4hujzepup71d9qt/Chad%20Strat%20Bank.bnk?dl=0
top man well done so easy to follow your infomation
My Varian guitar tuning isn't working correctly. I put it in the standard tuning but when I play it, the tuning is incorrect. PLEASE HELP!!
Da para deixar o volume individual das cordas, regulado diferente para cada preset ???
Hi Chad. I am looking to buy my first Variax. The only reason is to play- sing songs in original key but let's say 4 semitones down.Standard E to Standard C tuning for example.Question is:Once I pitch shift,virtual capo or alternate tuning is the sound "natural". 99% of time playin' at home thru tube amp and impulse responses on headphones and recording.If money is not an issue witch guitar from Line 6 would you buy in 2020 ? I tried all pitch shift pedals and for chords transposing all are the joke .My main use of the technology would be "virtual capo" .Any advice,suggestions?Thanks man.
Me personally I prefer the jtv series, particularly the 69 and 59. I've always been a strat and les paul kind of guy. But the quality is good on both of them.
The Shuriken guitars are great too, I'm just a bit more old school in my preferences I guess.
My experience with the virtual capo is that +/- 2-3 semi tones is the most realistic. 4 is on the limit of what I use it for.
However I think it does do better going down in pitch than up. I can get away with more semi tones lower than higher before I start to notice anything.
But you do start to get a little warble effect (minor, but it can be noticeable in critical listening) when doing 4+ semi tones.
I would suggest if at all possible to demo one and see what you think.
I find it to be perfectly usable live.
I've done hotel California where it was an acoustic capoed up 7 frets and it worked great in a band context.
I hate to not give you a definitive yes/no answer, but I wanted to give you my most honest opinion.
@@ChadHuskey Man,thank you so much.If I set/tune Variax to Standard D and then use -2 that should do I think.I have custom build humbucker guitar that is amazing in all aspects.Line 6 guitar would be used only for recording when the song calls for it.I can't find on you tube any videos with some clips where someone using "capo" on clean channel.Maybe good idea for one of your videos in future to show others what it can do, as I think there is more ppl. out there that hope for that function to work . Really appreciate your fast response.
Variax workbench does not work with Windows 10, OR compatibility mode. havent been able to update my guitars in years. Any suggestions?
Are you speaking about Workbench HD, or the legacy version of Workbench for pre JTV variax guitars?
I know workbench HD works on Windows 10, so I'm assuming you're referring to the older version.
If that's the case the only suggestion I could give you is open a ticket with Line 6 to see if they have any workarounds.
@@ChadHuskey Yeah. I’m a lefty and I have two older version variaxs. So that’s my issue then?
Gotcha. I figured that might be the case, and yes that's most likely the issue.
I'd still recommend opening a ticket with Line 6 to see what they say.
Thinking about other workarounds what I would personally try is to setup a Windows XP virtual machine.
I don't know if you've used virtual machines before, but it's basically like running a computer inside of a computer. The virtual machine is software only and "borrows" the hardware connections on your computer, such as USB ports.
I haven't used these in a long time, but one of the better free virtual machine pieces of software from what I remember is Virtual Box by Oracle.
I also think there are free copies of Windows XP available to download.
If you did this you could run the VM on your PC and install the older version of workbench there.
I haven't messed with VM's in years, but used to a lot when I did IT work. So I know it's very doable, but I'm way out of the loop on the latest in the VM world.
I don't know how comfortable you are with tech, and if you aren't really into computer stuff this would probably be a lot of trouble to go to setting up for just the one application. But it should be doable.
I have no doubt there's lots of TH-cam videos out there on how to do this.
I haven't messed around with this stuff in years, so I won't be any help with the step by step setup, but if you want to get workbench running it might be worth looking into.
Hope this helps.
One question. I have read that I can connect the guitar to a computer using XT Live or X3 Live.
Is this true, and are they my only options?
Ok, that was two questions.😉
Sorry for the delay getting back to you. To be honest I don't remember if you can connect to workbench through those units. I know you can via hd500. But it's been too many years since I've used those to remember 😉
If you aren't already on the Variax Facebook group join that and ask there. I'm sure someone will know 👍
Thanks Chad. Very helpful.
How did you make it to work, only works on a 64 bit computer, or you have an old computer?
I am running a 64 bit operating system. I've never had any issues getting workbench hd to install.
Whe I try to install on PC, I get: This application requires a 32 bit Java Runtime Environment 1.6.0 and on a Mac I get: This package is is incompatible with this version of macOs. Line 6 considers Workbench a Legacy product so they won’t help.
@@jaimemoreno55 so there are 2 versions of workbench. The original version that works with Variax 300-700 models, and workbench hd which works with the current lineup.
I'm assuming you're running the older version of workbench correct?
If so the only thing I've heard of other folks doing is setting up a virtual machine running an older version of windows in it.
Aside from that I don't think you can run the older workbench on newer computers.
@@ChadHuskey Didn’t know there were two versions, I guess I’ll look for Workbench HD. Thanks!
Great stuff Chad ! Thanks for this
Thanks!
Very helpful, thank you!!
At the risk of being brutally annoying (since I have asked this question on other videos), is it possible for you to share with us whether or not it is possible to use Workbench software to simulate a nylon string guitar?
Not an annoying question at all. Currently there isn't a nylon string model in Variax. I'm not aware of any way to get that sound through workbench edits. I wish I could tell you there was a way.
Much obliged, Chad. Hopefully in due course, Line 6’s R&D will devise an option for string types.
@@Shred_The_Weapon I think the closest you could come to this (if you also use a Helix) would be a custom IR of a nylon string guitar made with the Variax in mind. It would be fantastic if Line 6 created a flash memory update that included a nylon string model among other things.
How about stringing the guitar with nylon strings? They are piezo pickups, right?
I don’t think that’s the kind of direction I would go in if I wanted steel strings for more expressive applications.
I came here because I m not satisfied the factory setups of my Velorex (standard) in gigging context. The acoustics are bass heavy, the volume difference between the alnico pups and the piezo is too much, and I also feel some dynamic issues when playing the piezo.
One thing I'd recommend on the acoustic models is to play around with the tone knob. This adjusts the virtual mic placement on the guitar and can make a difference.
Personally I use a parametric EQ with hi/lo cuts on my presets when I play the acoustic models to take out any unwanted frequencies.
I do this with a standard piezo electric/acoustic guitar as well. Even the Martin I own sounds pretty lackluster without proper EQ.
Playing an acoustic live without EQ, Compression, and Reverb is just unthinkable lol
As far as balancing the volume you can go into Workbench and raise the volume of the presets on the guitar. Also if you lower the magnetic pickups it will bring the volume down.
If you're interested I do have a tweaked bundle on the Line 6 marketplace that updates/improves the tones of the guitar as well as volume balances everything across the board.
shop.line6.com/varaix-tweaked-complete-bundle.html
@@ChadHuskey thank you, good advice! So I may go for an EQ pedal. Just I really wanted to reduce the pedals on my board.
This is awesome But I wish it had a speed knob you move that cursor at light peed the time I find it have moved 5 more ahead
Sorry about that.
You can slow down the playback on TH-cam (or speed it up) if you wanted to.
Though the speaking might sound a little weird 😂
Wish there was an EQ in the software.. This thing has a lot of quacky sounds. And not enough sparkle
You rock dude! Subbed
Thanks for sharing...
It sucks that Line 6 does not have ANYTHING that can configure the original Variax's!!!!
Unless you have the original 500 model, which existed before workbench and never had workbench support that I'm aware of, every other Variax can be configured with workbench.
The original workbench software works on all Variax guitars.
Workbench hd works with jtv, standard, Shuriken models.
Both versions of workbench are available for download on the line 6 website.
@@ChadHuskey I have a 500 and yes the original workbench program (not HD !) works with it, coupled with the Line 6 Variax VDI interface USB device
(It's a pain to keep the ethernet cable in place to not lose contact on my old 500, but it works)