I think the speed you go through these things are pretty much spot on! Gives us the how to use the tools, why they work, where they break and options when they do. Please keep these videos coming :)
You can change the colour of the overlay lines without using the crop tool. Just right click on the grid icon at the lower right corner, just to the left of where it says "module order" and you'll have access to the same settings.
One of the best if not the best demonstrations of dt masking. I like the improvements of version 5 - good tip on the independent node handles. May I add a useful tip: When using drawn masks, you can edit the shape and opacity of the mask whilst locking the position of the mask. To do this, 1st deselect the 'show & edit mask elements'. Now press Ctrl and click the icon. You can now adjust the nodes of the mask and the nodes of the feathering without any danger of moving or resizing the mask. So you can zoom in and pan around to do fine mask adjustments without disturbing the position or size of the mask. Another useful facility with multiple drawn masks is that you can reduce the opacity of any individual mask by holding Ctrl and scrolling - very useful for dodging and burning. Thanks for some tips I had not realised. Super video. I will be recommending it for newbies to dt. ... and a very happy & prosperous new year. 😀
Great video. Just on drawn masks. If you draw it so the edge of the object comes between the drawn line and the feather line the darktable algorithm does a fantastic job of detecting the edge of the object and makes the mask that much better and easier to do.
You really worked through all the options of masking. If you should be making another video on the topic, you might still want to add combination of parameters to refine the selection or the use of masking modes to use combined drawn masks. I really enjoy your post processing videos, especially because I much identify with your editing style.
Nice way to introduce masking to people with Darktable-fear. If I got your question right about the color of the drawn string, it can be set globally with "g" which opens the "grid"-option in the lower panel. Right-click on the small window to get "overlay color". You can also just left-click on the grid icon to activate it. When I select an object with an edge to be sharply separated from the background using a drawn mask, I let the line with the dots cover the outline and select the blur-distance very narrow (shift+scroll inside the mask) to allow just a small amount of blending with the feathering slider. I have actually masked butterfly antennaes in this way - invisibly, i.e. traceless. Darktable allows these operations at high zoom levels, so there are practically no limits. You can also scroll-zoom into the total image with a mask active, as long as you keep the cursor outside the mask (to avoid pressing "a"). Obviously the colored outline of a drawn mask can be toggled on/off by left-clicking the small mask-icon with the dotted line. I don't know (yet) how 5.0 acts with complex masks and details at high zoom levels - but to avoid crashes it's a good idea in such complex cases to activate the mask by pressing Ctrl+left-click on the mask icon. I am looking forward to "Darktable 5.0 Masking Tutorial - Demystifying set theory" from you ;O)
Thanks as ever, Eigil! I will have to do a deeper dive into drawn masks I think. You will be waiting a long time for a video from me on any mathematical subject - my brain is not wired for maths at all 😄
@DarktableLandscapes Fair enough. Then in the meantime I hope you'll accept this reference to another Darktable guru on TH-cam, Boris Hajdukovic, and his following episode: "Darktable Episode 69: Advanced masking part 3: mask manager" - for those of your audience who have been inspired from your video here to dive deeper into the set and boolean related options in Darktable's Mask manager (found in the menu to the left after Darkroom has been opened).
@@Eigil_Skovgaard oh, you're referring to the Boolean operations for the drawn masks? I can manage those but I actually rarely use them. I will do a deep dive into drawn masks at some point.
Nicely done video...one point to share that I think many DT users are unaware of is the Jz channel. It will almost always need mask boost. The slider only goes from 0 to 1 whereas the max value could be up to 10000 . Using the single picker on tne brightest part will show tbe actual max Jz value for your image and to set the slider range correctly you need to boost the mask ev....esp important if you want ti mask something like a sky
You provide great tutorials, thank you very much. For the landscape from 9:26, your parametric mask is based on light intensities but you remove the part of the mask within the lake, yet I would have thought that the light intensity of the sky reflection in the lake should have been corrected similarly to that of the sky for a more natural look. Did I miss a point there?
Thanks! Yes, I think I did mention it was for argument's sake just to show how excluding areas with drawn masks works. I would absolutely adjust both at the same time 'in real life'.
Thanks! Around 19:38 you added to the mask with the color picker. I'm having trouble doing that. Did you simply click on the picker or do something else that I missed in order to add that color range to the mask? Mike
@Mike-br4tw I'm using 5.0 in this video. When you first click the dropper, you'll see a white outlined box covering the whole image. This is why you see everything yellow. Click and drag a new box and the mask will update.
That's the Mask Manager, only for managing drawn mask shapes. When I said "a dedicated masking panel" I had Lightroom's masking tools in mind, where you have a whole new set of image controls and the ability to add masks for them.
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I think the speed you go through these things are pretty much spot on! Gives us the how to use the tools, why they work, where they break and options when they do. Please keep these videos coming :)
You can change the colour of the overlay lines without using the crop tool. Just right click on the grid icon at the lower right corner, just to the left of where it says "module order" and you'll have access to the same settings.
Ah ha, thanks! I knew there had to be a less convoluted way.
Thanks a lot for your tutorials on darktable. They are extremely well done 🙂
The c trick was awesome
Very well explained without making it overly complicated. Thanks for the tip on holding down the "A" key to zoom in and out. 👍
well done, a good explanation of masking without getting too technical. Been looking for something like this for awhile.
Excellent tutorial on this very powerful tool in Darktable!
Oh “deer”, nice work, another great video. Thanks mate.
One of the best if not the best demonstrations of dt masking.
I like the improvements of version 5 - good tip on the independent node handles. May I add a useful tip: When using drawn masks, you can edit the shape and opacity of the mask whilst locking the position of the mask. To do this, 1st deselect the 'show & edit mask elements'. Now press Ctrl and click the icon. You can now adjust the nodes of the mask and the nodes of the feathering without any danger of moving or resizing the mask. So you can zoom in and pan around to do fine mask adjustments without disturbing the position or size of the mask. Another useful facility with multiple drawn masks is that you can reduce the opacity of any individual mask by holding Ctrl and scrolling - very useful for dodging and burning.
Thanks for some tips I had not realised. Super video. I will be recommending it for newbies to dt.
... and a very happy & prosperous new year. 😀
Thanks Berny, useful tips! Happy New Year to you too 🎉
Great video. Just on drawn masks. If you draw it so the edge of the object comes between the drawn line and the feather line the darktable algorithm does a fantastic job of detecting the edge of the object and makes the mask that much better and easier to do.
Great tip! Now I have this video out of the way I'll probably do something more in depth at some point.
You really worked through all the options of masking. If you should be making another video on the topic, you might still want to add combination of parameters to refine the selection or the use of masking modes to use combined drawn masks. I really enjoy your post processing videos, especially because I much identify with your editing style.
Noted!
vlog does exactly what it says. I now have a much better understanding of masking in DT
Mission accomplished 🫡
Very helpful and just what I was looking for. Also great pronunciation of loch - it's a tough one 😃
Glad it was helpful! I'm married to a Scot, you pronounce it right or not at all 😄 I even know how to pronounce 'Milngavie'.
Great explanation of mask on DT. You have made it so easy to understand. This channel is becoming my go to for any DT questions I have.
Thanks! 👍
Nice way to introduce masking to people with Darktable-fear.
If I got your question right about the color of the drawn string, it can be set globally with "g" which opens the "grid"-option in the lower panel. Right-click on the small window to get "overlay color". You can also just left-click on the grid icon to activate it.
When I select an object with an edge to be sharply separated from the background using a drawn mask, I let the line with the dots cover the outline and select the blur-distance very narrow (shift+scroll inside the mask) to allow just a small amount of blending with the feathering slider. I have actually masked butterfly antennaes in this way - invisibly, i.e. traceless. Darktable allows these operations at high zoom levels, so there are practically no limits.
You can also scroll-zoom into the total image with a mask active, as long as you keep the cursor outside the mask (to avoid pressing "a").
Obviously the colored outline of a drawn mask can be toggled on/off by left-clicking the small mask-icon with the dotted line.
I don't know (yet) how 5.0 acts with complex masks and details at high zoom levels - but to avoid crashes it's a good idea in such complex cases to activate the mask by pressing Ctrl+left-click on the mask icon.
I am looking forward to "Darktable 5.0 Masking Tutorial - Demystifying set theory" from you ;O)
Thanks as ever, Eigil! I will have to do a deeper dive into drawn masks I think. You will be waiting a long time for a video from me on any mathematical subject - my brain is not wired for maths at all 😄
@DarktableLandscapes Fair enough. Then in the meantime I hope you'll accept this reference to another Darktable guru on TH-cam, Boris Hajdukovic, and his following episode: "Darktable Episode 69: Advanced masking part 3: mask manager" - for those of your audience who have been inspired from your video here to dive deeper into the set and boolean related options in Darktable's Mask manager (found in the menu to the left after Darkroom has been opened).
@@Eigil_Skovgaard oh, you're referring to the Boolean operations for the drawn masks? I can manage those but I actually rarely use them. I will do a deep dive into drawn masks at some point.
Great content and presentation! Thanks a lot!
Muchas gracias.
Good instruction video! Thank you very much.
Great video - super helpful.
Nicely done video...one point to share that I think many DT users are unaware of is the Jz channel. It will almost always need mask boost. The slider only goes from 0 to 1 whereas the max value could be up to 10000 . Using the single picker on tne brightest part will show tbe actual max Jz value for your image and to set the slider range correctly you need to boost the mask ev....esp important if you want ti mask something like a sky
That's a good tip, will have to check that out 👍
Thanks for the very well explained video. To change the color of the mask lines I use (Mac) command+O. Easy.
Ah, perfect. I knew there'd be an easier way 🙂
You provide great tutorials, thank you very much. For the landscape from 9:26, your parametric mask is based on light intensities but you remove the part of the mask within the lake, yet I would have thought that the light intensity of the sky reflection in the lake should have been corrected similarly to that of the sky for a more natural look. Did I miss a point there?
Thanks! Yes, I think I did mention it was for argument's sake just to show how excluding areas with drawn masks works. I would absolutely adjust both at the same time 'in real life'.
@DarktableLandscapes Thanks! Darktable is an incredible freeware but does need some steep learning curve, and help from others like you to master it.
Thanks! Around 19:38 you added to the mask with the color picker. I'm having trouble doing that. Did you simply click on the picker or do something else that I missed in order to add that color range to the mask? Mike
You click the picker then draw a box to include the colours (in the case of hz channel) you want to include in the mask.
@DarktableLandscapes Unfortunately, with ver 5.0 this doesn't work. When I click on the "range based area icon" the image turns 100% yellow.
@Mike-br4tw I'm using 5.0 in this video. When you first click the dropper, you'll see a white outlined box covering the whole image. This is why you see everything yellow. Click and drag a new box and the mask will update.
@DarktableLandscapes If the widow turns all yellow, I can't see where to update. Also hz resets when I do that.
@DarktableLandscapes hz resets when I click on the dropper so I can't add to preexisting area
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Avec plaisir
0:25 that is in fact not true, it is in the left panel that you have hidden.
That's the Mask Manager, only for managing drawn mask shapes. When I said "a dedicated masking panel" I had Lightroom's masking tools in mind, where you have a whole new set of image controls and the ability to add masks for them.
@DarktableLandscapes yes, but you can create masks there.
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