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  • @jacknickolstine3355
    @jacknickolstine3355 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +116

    Gtfo dude it took me a half day to grind a stock f16c. Why pander to low skill players ?

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +730

      Lets see what the rest thinks of this abysmal take

    • @singedwaffles
      @singedwaffles 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +464

      youre not skilled, you either got really lucky, or just died repeatedly for pity RP like the rest of the playerbase at top tier stock. If you truly were skilled you would know why the stock grind is horrendous compared to previous metas.

    • @pern5349
      @pern5349 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Yeah but I don’t have time to get the knock off aim 120’s on the Barak 2 so when ever I want to play top tier I just get smashed immediately

    • @DerIKatze
      @DerIKatze 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

      As a, in my opinion, decent enough player, I could probably also stock grind the F-16C over a weekend. But it would be so much pain and in the end not worth the effort, when I could instead be flying planes I'm actually gonna enjoy. This is one of the best changes done in a while. I'll certainly go back to the F-16 once the update drops. You're just salty, stop whining.

    • @hornyzero8770
      @hornyzero8770 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@DEFYN you don't gotta ratio that guy within 5 minutes of replying 💀

  • @GeneralLee2000
    @GeneralLee2000 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +886

    I can't believe we got stock ARH missiles within a month of the update dropping. I never thought asking for it would get results this quickly 🤣

    • @unitedfront9717
      @unitedfront9717 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      Not asking did that....the player numbers deopping did it

    • @PrintScreen.
      @PrintScreen. 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

      @@unitedfront9717 what player numbers dropping, majority of people are nowhere near toptier

    • @unitedfront9717
      @unitedfront9717 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      @@PrintScreen. but the biggest payers and whales in the game are there.....and those are the ppl gayjin cares about

    • @Reaver3214
      @Reaver3214 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cope, all the whales simply buy ARH with ge like me​@@unitedfront9717

    • @JamalWitherSpoon
      @JamalWitherSpoon 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@unitedfront9717 The game gets over 100k people concurrently, the bullshit is rancid right now

  • @smigoltime
    @smigoltime 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +327

    "One step forward, two steps baaaack!"

    • @tencroppy
      @tencroppy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      they definitely had this in mind lmao

    • @TheCadman069
      @TheCadman069 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Do the "Gayjin Shuffle!"

    • @junknvamps1804
      @junknvamps1804 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      More like 4 steps back

    • @covidius9511
      @covidius9511 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Still better than doing nothing imo, at least the meta will get shaken up a bit

    • @SpriGgEx
      @SpriGgEx 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      gaijin as always.

  • @Wizard-dq8qb
    @Wizard-dq8qb 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +255

    we've added decompresion to high tier jets, while compressing high tier jets 👍

    • @FXIIBeaver
      @FXIIBeaver 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Too bad. The F-14 and up have way too good a flight model combined with fox 3s

    • @senockwurst637
      @senockwurst637 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      @@FXIIBeaver yeah now see how you fight a gripen in the f4j uk

    • @williewilson2250
      @williewilson2250 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Decompression will never work until gaijin's balancing formula changes, I even said the same when they were moving stuff from 7.0-9.0 up and thing below them got moved up because they started doing better

    • @RedMetalSuit
      @RedMetalSuit 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The f-4s still has to face f-14’s

    • @dierare
      @dierare 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@williewilson2250 I mean, as long as they increase the max BR, something is gonna be decompressed, even if its not the most important things. and things that thrive too much in the new setting can always be corrected later.

  • @bendawg8-wi4dr
    @bendawg8-wi4dr 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +519

    The fact the F-20A is still the same BR as the F-16ADF is crazy, and the Netz being so high without a single radar missile or IRCCM is stupid as heck.

    • @SotGravarg
      @SotGravarg 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Fuck the Netz.

    • @SotGravarg
      @SotGravarg 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Every Netz player I encountered in custom battles was a total cunt.

    • @raketny_hvost
      @raketny_hvost 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      meet, gajeez balance

    • @themanhimself6696
      @themanhimself6696 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

      the F4EJkai being 12.7 is also mad

    • @bendawg8-wi4dr
      @bendawg8-wi4dr 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@themanhimself6696 give it the AAM-4s! Lmaoooo

  • @TheAirborneDaddy17
    @TheAirborneDaddy17 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +156

    The instantly falling drop tanks on the Kfir were just hilarious tho 😂

    • @TransportSupremo
      @TransportSupremo 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      I tried to get them to work and couldn't figure out why they kept falling off 😭

    • @dukn
      @dukn 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      yeah it was a pain specially in sim battles

  • @who_tf_stole_my_name
    @who_tf_stole_my_name 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    I applaud Gaijin for the courage to skip and do 2 br jumps but at the same time holy shit what was that guy that made this list smoking?

  • @corsnieland2545
    @corsnieland2545 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +339

    The fact that every 10.0 in this list goes to 10.3 and the F4C goes to 10.7 is like… what??? Why????

    • @Pagan-71
      @Pagan-71 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because autismo's abuse that thing to base bomb grind and gaijin don't like people zooming through tech tree's with such ease.

    • @quantumsage4008
      @quantumsage4008 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +85

      Shit doesnt even get good armament nor does it get fucking flares. I appreciate gaijin trying to fix compression but wtf they cookin?

    • @Eren-cm5pc
      @Eren-cm5pc 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Fr

    • @Eren-cm5pc
      @Eren-cm5pc 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@quantumsage4008 they might give it aim 9j

    • @cola-warthunder9888
      @cola-warthunder9888 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      The EF FOUR SEE AT TEN-SEVEN???????
      TELL ME IT'S GRB PLEASE

  • @SwissCowboy87
    @SwissCowboy87 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +109

    the OP starfighters stay at 9.3....

    • @thug_a_la_fraise885
      @thug_a_la_fraise885 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      yup, and with the decompression, they will get down tiered a lot. 9.3 and 9.7 planes will be seal clubbing anything below them

    • @williewilson2250
      @williewilson2250 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@thug_a_la_fraise885give it a few weeks, gaijin will move them up to 12.3

    • @toxicmuggle5788
      @toxicmuggle5788 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@thug_a_la_fraise885No, the 10.0 uptiers will just be 10.3 now with all of those premiums still being in the bracket

    • @tutelbomb
      @tutelbomb 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well, at least it requires some skill.. The AV-8A deserves a 10.3 br though. I have no idea how that can see Sabres and A4's

    • @jetnavigator
      @jetnavigator 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm probably the worst pilot in Warthunder and I don't have a problem with them. I just turn and avoid them.

  • @farmcat9873
    @farmcat9873 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +106

    Looks like the F-104A,C is still gonna be a monster where it is.

    • @NitsuJTrigger
      @NitsuJTrigger 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      We really are complaining about the flying pencil in current day

    • @covidius9511
      @covidius9511 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

      No, no, it's going to get even stronger with a lot of 10.0 and 10.3 planes going up, you will get more downtiers now than before

    • @batlax18
      @batlax18 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Lol my A4N agrees

    • @waggish4999
      @waggish4999 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      ​@NitsuJTrigger it's still busted in current day so yeah

    • @DaisiesTC
      @DaisiesTC 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      @@NitsuJTrigger It literally has no counter lmfao. Even before, A-10's and (especially) Su 25's couldn't really contest it. Average 104 players are just braindead and fly headfirst into missiles they can easily outrun.

  • @abitofapickle6255
    @abitofapickle6255 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +134

    F-4C at 10.7? Its already a struggle bus where it's at.

    • @gabo69420
      @gabo69420 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You think aim 7's should be lower?

    • @unoriginalplays120
      @unoriginalplays120 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +125

      ​@@gabo69420If you die to a aim7d you have a geniune skill issue

    • @glovely4119
      @glovely4119 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yea and I was looking forward to getting it soon... May the snail have mercy upon those who fly it.

    • @oseansoldier
      @oseansoldier 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      The F-4C and the F-105 moving up are criminal (along with the other planes that struggle currently)

    • @juamont
      @juamont 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      @@gabo69420 with the 4C's radar, you should be more concerned about the Aim 9Es

  • @brosonly3389
    @brosonly3389 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

    f4f ice at 13.3 is kinda insane

    • @firestar7890
      @firestar7890 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      yes but actually its the same tbh, bc the top tier went from 13.0 to 13.7 logic states most things shouldve gone up 2 br steps, which the ice did from 12.7 to 13.3. instead of being insane i would say its the (literal) definition of an average change

    • @wargames43
      @wargames43 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@firestar7890 the problem is its facing jets with superior radar. AKA you die before you can even get a lock on. nothing changes for that plane and it will sit there in my hangar never to be played again

    • @kajmak64bit76
      @kajmak64bit76 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@wargames43 Doesn't it have a really nice radar upgrade from like an F-16 or F-18 or something?

    • @robertgaudet7407
      @robertgaudet7407 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's the same step up as an AV-8+ at 13.0. Stock grind is gonna be interesting for sure. And the F-4F ICE has the same radar as an F-18, so complaining you have a gimped radar is total nonsense. You have a gimped flight model and excellent radar and excellent missiles.

    • @brosonly3389
      @brosonly3389 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@robertgaudet7407 i do enjoy playing it myself, against anything but those 13.0 jets

  • @user-mx1fq6qm6i
    @user-mx1fq6qm6i 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

    6:32 the F8U-2 always had that. Above 950km/h you could pull full elevator for approximately 4 flashes of the extreme overload warning (around 1.5-2 seconds) before the wings would detach.

    • @GK_Squid
      @GK_Squid 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I absolutely love the f8u. I'm working on getting the French one now to really challenge myself since there's no flares.

    • @anotheralpharius2056
      @anotheralpharius2056 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      That is because the extreme overload warning comes up around 10gs but after you hold the elevator for a while at speed the f8u will jump up to pulling 12-15gs which rips its wings

    • @benbased7740
      @benbased7740 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, once you master net-Ging it at the right times and avoiding wingrips, it is pretty much as powerful as the F8E. But at a lower BR and you really see the difference

    • @flamepanzer1767
      @flamepanzer1767 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@GK_Squid the french one is also an F-8E, and it gets Magics instead of 9Ds/Cs, but the same br as the U-2

    • @waki0069
      @waki0069 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@flamepanzer1767no flares

  • @DEFYN
    @DEFYN 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

    They are actively updating the list, keep an eye on it:
    forum.warthunder.com/t/decompressing-battle-ratings-for-top-aircraft-and-accompanying-changes-to-stock-weapons/126276

    • @The_Gaming_Hamster
      @The_Gaming_Hamster 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I wish the fucking Su-25s would go up in BR in tank RB it’s the KA-50 issue all over again (still yet to see it go up to 11.3/11.7 like the apaches did)

    • @middlelb21
      @middlelb21 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The F-4S is 12.0, the F-4EJ-Kai is 12.7, hmm.

    • @jacobluna2932
      @jacobluna2932 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      F4c from 10.0 to 10.7??? Still no flairs??? Wow gaijin great job now no one's gonna wanna use that thing anymore👍

    • @c.v.4070
      @c.v.4070 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why do you have utorrent??????? please for the love of God use anything else, like qbittorrent

    • @saplingseedsaccrew3143
      @saplingseedsaccrew3143 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@The_Gaming_Hamster Which Su-25 for Ground RB? If you are referring to the Su-25 and Su25K at 10.0 they are definitely not overpowered. The plane lacks a targeting pod and the laser designator you get on it does not zoom at all and you have to keep that laser within such a small scope in the front of your plane which cannot even look down that much or at all to the sides so you can never get a BVR kills with the laser missiles. Even if you have a teammate scout the enemy player you cannot see from such a distance that you are trying to kill, you still have to fly in the direction you fired that missile and by the time the missiles reaches its target it still puts you within the range of most 10.0+ IR and Saclos SPAAs.
      You could alternatively fly low and pop up last second firing a big 50kg explosive S-25O rocket at targets within visual range and break off. To that I say, yes it's quite OP but since its only one type of ordnance that the Su-25 can use its SP cost should go up rather than the plane itself.
      If you were referring to the 11.3 Su-25T and Su-39 ignore my previous statement but also take into account both these planes lack thermals which still makes it hard to spot enemies even if it does have a Mercury TGP this time around

  • @francogaray2649
    @francogaray2649 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

    ok so the broken asf 104 in 9.3 will still ruin 8.3 matches

    • @cofro3284
      @cofro3284 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      If they don't change it with these BR changes then it'll see even less uptiers and more down tiers till they do.

    • @francogaray2649
      @francogaray2649 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@cofro3284 they just need to move it up to at least 9.7, but i think 10.0 will be perfect

    • @garrettmiller1355
      @garrettmiller1355 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      This does seem to be a quick fix (as ot was looking at 10-13br). Hopefully this matter will bring attention to the f 104

    • @mercerwing1458
      @mercerwing1458 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@francogaray2649 at 10.0 it's sht cause of all aspects and radar missiles, that's why it got moved to 9.3 in the first place. All aspects at low brs ruined everything.

    • @robertgaudet7407
      @robertgaudet7407 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mercerwing1458 This.

  • @sulferix7265
    @sulferix7265 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +71

    about fucking time. now add at least 6 more brs and we are golden.

    • @acedia2044
      @acedia2044 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      They'd just put ALL of the planes 6 BRs up (except the F-104 and Mig-19 ofc) and call it a day.

  • @h.a8681
    @h.a8681 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +106

    Good changes, but one thing confuses me
    The Tornados battleratings are all over the place:
    The German premium Tornado and the tech tree one are at different BRs in air RB, despite the only difference being guided weapons which do not matter in air rb.
    The Tornado F3 and the Tornado Gr.1 are also now both 11.7, when one has 2 missiles and the other has 8...
    It just makes no sense

    • @cofro3284
      @cofro3284 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      I agree. I don't get how guided munitions are still affecting air RB BRs after the game mode BR split.

    • @AMDeZani
      @AMDeZani 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      The Harrier GR.7 is the same BR as the AV-8B and Sea Harrier FA.2, despite only having 9Ms and no radar missiles.

    • @h.a8681
      @h.a8681 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@AMDeZani not anymore, the GR7 is at 12.3 and the AV8/Sea Harrier FA2 are now 13.0

    • @DaisiesTC
      @DaisiesTC 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@AMDeZani "only having 9M's" lmfao

    • @TrenersLP
      @TrenersLP 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      whats weirdest to me is that the Phantom FGR.2, a rank 7 plane, is going to 12.0 whereas the rank 8 Tornado F.3 is going to 11.7? Don't get me wrong 11.7 feels right for the Tornado but why is the FGR.2 .3 BR better, apparently?

  • @maukku1572
    @maukku1572 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    F5E FCU being the same br as normal F5E is insane

  • @KriegsMeister27
    @KriegsMeister27 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    the best way to fix compression would be to simply just reduce the ingame BR spread from 1.0 to 0.7, in other words going from a spread of 4 tiers in a match to 3. This would have a massive effect to improving balance and overall gameplay

  • @masterclips7657
    @masterclips7657 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    What would really help the 9.3 inbetween the modern planes is to add more Cold War planes like the SU-15 and the F-101 etc.

    • @abitofapickle6255
      @abitofapickle6255 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      F-106 delta dart would be sick

    • @gabo69420
      @gabo69420 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Prototype nazi jet planes would be too

    • @sotsnek9850
      @sotsnek9850 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      absolutely agree, was researching aircraft the ussr used during the cold war and I never realised they were missing so many aircraft in wt, although whilst it will help to separate the gap theres definitely going to be nations that don't have that many filler aircraft, Japan and Sweden spring to mind (interestingly though both nations do deserve an extra sub-tech tree so maybe the desired filler can be delivered)

    • @ayylmao8901
      @ayylmao8901 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@abitofapickle6255that thing would be nuts
      It gets HMD and what is essentially an early version of MTI btw. Also the AIM-4G and AIM-26 are pretty decent missiles performance-wise despite the lack of a proxy fuze… (Although the AIM-26 did get a proxy fuze, but only in Swedish service.)

  • @joundii3100
    @joundii3100 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    The Mirage F1CT is going at a higher BR than the F1C because it has a fully digital RWR while the F1C has worse RWR than the F-100 who is 2.0 BR lower and both the F1C and F1CT have effectively the same armement in terms of air-to-air.

  • @CJukes
    @CJukes 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    FGR2/FG1 being higher than the first Tornado F3 is very funny
    F4 Junk being the same BR as the US Phantom J/S is also comical (It was before but I do not believe that the stats support that at all)
    the J35XS and the Kfir Canard going up to 11.3 - right after the sale is comedy gold

    • @covidius9511
      @covidius9511 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah the F3 might actually become pretty competitive with all the navy phantoms moving up two brackets and virtually every plane in it's br range moving at least one bracket up just like the F3

  • @Squeaky_Ben
    @Squeaky_Ben 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I can see my Milan finally getting some breathing room.

  • @reinbeers5322
    @reinbeers5322 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I prefer to see this as a glass half full. Sure it's not everything we wanted, but increasing the max BR is THE #1 issue, and the rest can be done through later BR change rounds. The 104A and C having no counters means that they'll 100% go up, while the F-4C will go down due to no downtiers.

  • @teura5509
    @teura5509 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    These changes are, as Gaijin mentioned in the post, unscheduled, and specifically target the top tier jets, as they too realized it's a shitshow. Actual scheduled changes will come later that hopefully will do something about 9.3 now that there is vacancy. Also, kinda sus to immediately move the premiums up after sales, but it's Gaijin after all.

    • @fate3071
      @fate3071 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Would you prefer they didn't move the premiums up alongside their TT counterparts?

    • @teura5509
      @teura5509 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@fate3071 Of course they need to go up. It's just the timing.

    • @fate3071
      @fate3071 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @teura5509 it's not like only the premiums are going up, they're reworking the entire BR system. I'd rather that be sooner than later. Sure it's right after the summer sale, but it's obvious that the change was decided based on player feedback rather than malice

  • @Squisbabvs
    @Squisbabvs 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    The F1CT at the same br as the early 2Ks is fucking hilarious

  • @152mmapfsds
    @152mmapfsds 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    FINALLY OH MY GOD 13.7????? dawg I genuinely did not think this day would come

  • @THERUBBISHPCKID
    @THERUBBISHPCKID 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The Tornado GR1 and Harrier GR7 being crucified like that is so unjust, such a bruh moment

  • @EpsilonDoesStuff
    @EpsilonDoesStuff 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I actually sent an email to gaijin about the AV-8B+ stock grind so I guess they actually did something

  • @SkiddyOcean117
    @SkiddyOcean117 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Kfir Canard has an RWR that can't tell whether somone is locking on to it with a radar missile and its now 11.3. Now planes that have only 2 mediocre IR missiles are in the same BR as planes that have 4, 6, 8 with a mix of both and are all aspect??
    I thought that 14.0 would be introduced to separate Fox 3 meta from the Old meta and maybe bump up a couple of needed planes for decompression but they just completely changed the game.

  • @floydlol8012
    @floydlol8012 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    The F104A is going to be insane after the decompression

  • @dutchdragon2472
    @dutchdragon2472 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1 step forwards and 2 steps back - Gaijin's motto I think

  • @mrmacedon
    @mrmacedon 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    as a lightning f6 player right now this is good stuff!

    • @covidius9511
      @covidius9511 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Honestly I'd rather if they bumped both the F104A/C and the lightning up, and I say this as someone who has played the Lightning a lot

  • @pignebula123
    @pignebula123 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Personally I think Gaijin should just push these changes and start getting some data back. Then they should begin making weekly/bi-weekly BR adjustments to balance things rather than sweeping BR changes every 3 months.

  • @matheovonkraemer9347
    @matheovonkraemer9347 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Sip guys. Italy mainer here! F104s/S-TAF and f104s.ASA are all at 11.3. Basically upgraded f104 t same br. Also now there is basicly no counter for saggitario 2 or ariete at 9.3. GL HF Italy mains and wish for less compressed ground vehicles in the future

    • @ravandhika5472
      @ravandhika5472 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, finally i can play my beloved sagittario too🤌

  • @raihanrusli2720
    @raihanrusli2720 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I just bought mirage f1c, and soon I will fight gripen. Nice job gaijin

    • @savvas_1367
      @savvas_1367 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      you have magic2s so...

    • @BearcatThunder
      @BearcatThunder 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      ⁠@@savvas_1367that’s literally all the f1 has going for it. Two magic 2s.

    • @mati-yr1ym
      @mati-yr1ym 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I can't wait for my JAS-39A to be playable again so I can get the C

    • @Yucioq-
      @Yucioq- 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@mati-yr1ymFr

    • @savvas_1367
      @savvas_1367 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@BearcatThunder yea its a pretty bad loadout lol

  • @DeeVEK
    @DeeVEK 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    im glad this makes 9.0 playable again, and sort of helps 9.3 out a little. pretty cool of gaijin, and this is a step in the right direction for sure. Hopefully they make my harrier GR1 by down tiering it, giving it flares, or doing more decompression in the future. Still awesome that a tier 6 9.0 jet doesnt have to go against aim9L's, r60mk's and matra 550 missiles.

    • @yatzeegamingop
      @yatzeegamingop 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bullshit they are playable. F104 will fuck the shit out of 8.3-9.7 area

  • @Lushkabr
    @Lushkabr 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    the F4EJ was already kinda shit at 11.0, so lets move it up hell yeah gaijin

    • @nkvdofficer5047
      @nkvdofficer5047 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      A dev probably lost a very easy fight to a F4EJ and now wants to take revenge

    • @covidius9511
      @covidius9511 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      the F4 junk got moved two br brackets too lmao

    • @Lushkabr
      @Lushkabr 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@nkvdofficer5047 "yeah you reversed me now lets see how you like THIS reverse" *makes the vehicle unplayable*

  • @myfartbox4prez882
    @myfartbox4prez882 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    9.3s should get moved up, and put the 8.7s that went down recently back up to 8.7. the f104s are the same story as fighting the mig-15bis at 7.7 also never thought id see the day when the average phantom was a higher BR than the mig-23s

  • @BenjiBoi696
    @BenjiBoi696 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    So what do we get for suffering through the stock grind prior to the update 🤔 I’ll take a year premium

  • @FatherExo
    @FatherExo 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    F1 CT has a digital rwr and is lighter, a-10 and frog still in range of vietnam stuff is still bad, 2000s and JH being in the same range is reasonable
    They’re probably going to buff the KAI eventually (missiles)
    J-8B needed to stay at 11.0 bc its old as rocks
    J-7E tbh really should have went to 11.7 instead of .3 and got PL-5Cs
    Gripers should be 1 step over the legacy 16s and the french A should be 13.3 with the us A being 1 step lower than the rest
    F-4C being 10.7 was sad tbh could have honestly stayed at 10 or at least only moved to 10.3
    GR.7 should be with the rest of the harriers

  • @AirsoftFaction
    @AirsoftFaction 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    the F4c is just dead.

  • @gregc9344
    @gregc9344 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    F1CT has a 'special' radar that doesn't give launch warning for fox 1's so it's the only mirage F1 where you're at least a little likely to hit the 530F

    • @firestar7890
      @firestar7890 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      its not the radar its the missile. the 530f is a pulse not a cw missile so it doesnt trigger cw launch warnings like other sarhs do. its the same as other planes with pulse sarhs like the mig-21smt and its r-3r.

    • @kajmak64bit76
      @kajmak64bit76 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@firestar7890 not only MiG-21's has Pulse missiles... but also J band radar which some RWR's can't detect lol

    • @kolecnik
      @kolecnik 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@kajmak64bit76 bro... Its r-3r... Even if you don't have chaff, you can dodge by just pressing S. Even in F-104's

    • @kajmak64bit76
      @kajmak64bit76 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kolecnik i got so many kills with it
      It's a psychological weapon... people do not dodge it if you use it right... they get suprised by an all aspect RADAR MISSILE
      It's infinitelly better then R-3S lmao primarily because it's uncaged seeker allowing you to give lead
      You use it at short range people usually don't have time to react lol

  • @quincywoods3221
    @quincywoods3221 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I forgot who said it but another content creator called it perfectly, they would make the bison kind of broken to get sales then immediately nerf it a month or two later

  • @Duality.12
    @Duality.12 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    its not bad, kept most things where they are and moved a couple things around, kinda exited to see how it works out.

  • @crazeelazee7524
    @crazeelazee7524 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Mirage 2000C-S4 is literally just an S5 but with a huge handicap (34 flares or chaff vs 50 flares AND 48 chaff), so why on earth are they going to the same BR?

  • @rikop6806
    @rikop6806 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    RIP my ej kai😢

    • @GiantGenome
      @GiantGenome 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      same BR as F-16A, MiG-29A, and F-14B, surely this is good balance...

    • @fusionx7276
      @fusionx7276 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Bro the ej Kai was such a great 11.7 br

    • @pinngg6907
      @pinngg6907 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it is higher than f14a for some reason

    • @pinngg6907
      @pinngg6907 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@fusionx7276 it can't face top tier b4 and now it can 🙃

    • @fusionx7276
      @fusionx7276 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pinngg6907 was it talking past tense

  • @jercki72
    @jercki72 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    well that sure as hell wasnt in my 2024 bingo card

  • @ICantAIMD
    @ICantAIMD 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wow what a good change, good job snail! A bit late but hey it's a snail

  • @ChannelHandlePending
    @ChannelHandlePending 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Can someone explain to me why having the top tier BR at least at 15.0 wouldnt be a good thing?

    • @DTC-ex7wg
      @DTC-ex7wg 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I can at least tell you that it wouldn't be good for Gaijin because they'd actually have to do their jobs properly and play their game at least a little to properly spread out vehicles that far.

    • @covidius9511
      @covidius9511 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It would, but decompressing brs so fast would lead to a lot of shitty br changes and general chaos, it is better to decompress step by step instead of all at once

    • @rainsilent
      @rainsilent 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@covidius9511 Unless you get players that know what they are talking about in regards to aircraft capabilities to basically do them. If they did this for the entire game there wouldn't be under BRed or over BRed vehicles anywhere. Just bad players complaining because they refuse to learn and get better.

    • @x_Degurechaff_x
      @x_Degurechaff_x 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rainsilent 1. The players could never come to a complete understanding with each other. 2. Even if the players magically were 100% on the same page, doesn't mean that gaijin knows/cares. (tho in that scenario another strike might be possible).

  • @Starkogi
    @Starkogi 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Can someone explain the thinking behind the F4C to 10.7? 2 br jumps? For a plane that struggles to begin with while already facing all aspect missiles and radar missiles.
    Insane lmao

  • @baumlord439
    @baumlord439 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i like that when the f4ej kai was added u were already asking for 14.0

  • @zooi_
    @zooi_ 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i love selecting chaff or flare release mode on my ww1 props

  • @RedVRCC
    @RedVRCC 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    So gaijin gives plenty of planes flares that didn't historically have them at least in their in-game configuration. Just give the f104, ariete, and mig19 flarss and move them up.

    • @CowBeatsCrow
      @CowBeatsCrow 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't know about every plane, but generally they try to only add flares to planes that eventually had flares or had some configurations that had flares, while not necessarily being the configurations we have in-game. To my knowledge, none of the planes you listed were ever capable of carrying flares in any configuration, certainly not the F-104A and C models. I think it would be a huge benefit and make it so you can stick those up at a higher BR where they belong, but I just don't see Gaijin doing that because it doesn't fit their design philosophy, as erroneous as we may think it is.

    • @RedVRCC
      @RedVRCC 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@CowBeatsCrow iirc the F-5C was not supposed to be able to carry flares and as such the airframe didn't even have any provisions for mounting them in pods but they were added in game.
      I can understand where you're coming from tho, that does seem to be the exception and not the rule. Most planes that didn't historically use them could at least still be fairly easily retrofitted with them in reality. Hell, the earliest F-15As in USAF service didn't have them by default, but they could be fitted.
      War Thunder can be hard to balance sometimes because there's a careful balancing act between realism and gameplay quality that needs to be maintained. At the same time, gaijin seems to flip flop between favoring realism and favoring gameplay all the time, at least this holds true with ground forces. Hell, even Spookston pointed that out.

    • @boranakin710
      @boranakin710 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Mig19 and F104 could go up for sure, but the Ariete is just too slow to deal with supersonics so it would still suffer with flares. It is closer to a 2nd generation jet like the Mig15 or La-200 in design than these other supersonics, since it’s from 1956 and locks up heavily past 900-1000kmh. The Aim9B was just being made around 1956 so the ariete having flares wouldn’t make sense.

  • @mehmetozturk771
    @mehmetozturk771 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    F4C 10.7 ??

  • @lancehamlett3054
    @lancehamlett3054 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    F4c to 10.7 is diabolical

  • @MrJibJub13
    @MrJibJub13 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i am glad you pointed out the f4ej kai. i was like wait what!!!??!?! .3 br lower then the f15j 🤔

  • @f35clighningii57
    @f35clighningii57 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Su17m2 does NOT have to go up

    • @cofro3284
      @cofro3284 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Neither do the A7s and the later SU25s.

    • @satnav9699
      @satnav9699 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@SotGravarg Its identical (the American one)

    • @blaglo679
      @blaglo679 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SotGravarg 5a is literally 5c with better missiles theres no difference otherwise

    • @-..----.--.-...
      @-..----.--.-... 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@SotGravarg American f-5a is exactly the same as f-5c, but without premium bonuses.
      Chinese f-5a is f-5c with aim-9j

    • @kilianfirebolt
      @kilianfirebolt 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It stays at 10.0 in ground rb

  • @keenan_wt
    @keenan_wt 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    9.3 planes such as the ariete are going to have it incredibly we due to the lack of it being sucked into 10.3 range meaning 8.7s are going to have a rough time

    • @keenan_wt
      @keenan_wt 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Just realised defyn said this as I typed it out

  • @hensen6
    @hensen6 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    F-104J: sneaky sneaky

    • @dominikhrncirik6924
      @dominikhrncirik6924 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lol just noticed it too :D I hope they don't change it, I just bought a crew recently for it :D

  • @dierare
    @dierare 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    My biggest question about the F-4EJ Kai is, how is it that much of an upgrade over the F-4EJ that they cant even be in the same match anymore, while basic F-16s are the same BR as the F-16 with Aim-9Ms??

    • @joeseph2238
      @joeseph2238 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      IRL the ej kai can use the aim120a and the aam3, its basicly a japanese f4 ice without the agile eagle package.

  • @DiamondSquidy
    @DiamondSquidy 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    F-5C is going to 11.0? 💀I feel bad for the F-5C players 😭

    • @gabo69420
      @gabo69420 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      You shouldn't

    • @p_filippouz
      @p_filippouz 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good, that's one less loose end!

    • @danaolsongaming
      @danaolsongaming 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Don't, we've been eating real good since it was introduced. Now it'll have to rely on being patient and strategically going after targets as opposed to just dominating the match. And it's very possible it'll see downtiers consistently with all the other BR changes.

    • @primisto7530
      @primisto7530 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@danaolsongaming Not an f5C player but F5E and I've been fucking patient. If someone took the (turn-)fight, I usually won. If not... there was nothing much I could do. Try to reverse the faster plane maybe but if they decided run and I hadn't drained them of energy before that, nothing I could do. The plane will be so boring to fly now I bet 💀

    • @danaolsongaming
      @danaolsongaming 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@primisto7530 with the new BR changes, I bet your problem will stem mostly from radar missiles or more advanced IR missiles when you're not paying attention. Otherwise you'll be able to bait a lot of people into following you into an energy trap since most will think the F-5C is just "bad" at the new BR.
      Whereas before you could just fuck around and still walk away with plenty of kills, players will have to actually worry about positioning so that they don't get third-partied when energy trapping someone.

  • @turtledovechen176
    @turtledovechen176 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    well, very surprise that good old F-104J isn't been move up
    6 9P at 10.3 is really strong tbh, even without flare
    and the Chinese F-104G also have no flare, have fewer missile, yet are been move up

    • @satnav9699
      @satnav9699 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They probably missed it, I made a comment in the forum chain

    • @kolecnik
      @kolecnik 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@satnav9699why

  • @VivyX2
    @VivyX2 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the jaguars and bucaneers going up again is insane aswell
    same for tornados

  • @Bezem1944
    @Bezem1944 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great flareless planes even higher

  • @thatoneguy1741
    @thatoneguy1741 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    J7D to 11.3 💀 oh Jesus

    • @f35clighningii57
      @f35clighningii57 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Normal Mig21bis to 11.3 too
      Edit-Misread as J7E in the beginning

    • @cofro3284
      @cofro3284 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@f35clighningii57 the J7D is worse than the Bis tho. It could stay at 11.0

    • @thatoneguy1741
      @thatoneguy1741 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@f35clighningii57it’s MF airframe with the MF engine also

  • @MrCustomabstract
    @MrCustomabstract 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Nah this actually might be worse than it was

  • @xalywero331
    @xalywero331 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Can we expect a video on the J-8F? Seems kinda very high BR for just TWO fox-3s

  • @jesseramer3639
    @jesseramer3639 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you gaijin for Trying

  • @mr808stunna
    @mr808stunna 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    F4 Kai at 12.3 is criminal

    • @shawn7889
      @shawn7889 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's going to 12.7 tho

  • @Oppiacaleb
    @Oppiacaleb 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I’ve never been here this early. Edit: wtf are these changes, all the early f16s just got nerfed so hard, playing an early f16 is just gonna be hell

  • @Westicle
    @Westicle 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    F4-E is going to be kind of crazy, it’s main issue was being up tired with f-14s, f-16s, and other 12.0s. With the br changes now you can climb and sling missiles, as well as having little counter from the average player

  • @TransportSupremo
    @TransportSupremo 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Legacy jets be eating good😊

  • @amazingstealth8235
    @amazingstealth8235 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Ah yes. EJ Kai at 12.7. I always complain about why the EJ Kai was higher than the imo superior F-4S. And now not only the EJ Kai is upped in BR by a whole 1.0, but the difference in BR between the Kai and the S is now 0.7 instead of 0.3.
    Bravo Gaijin!

    • @Cheesycat0
      @Cheesycat0 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ej kai is better then the f4s?

    • @kizvy
      @kizvy 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      if it gets aam-3s it should be there

    • @amazingstealth8235
      @amazingstealth8235 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Cheesycat0 Does the EJ Kai field six Sparrows, have Agile Eagle wings, and an HMD?
      (Honestly I'm personally not too annoyed on the unslatted wings of the EJ, but it's an advantage many other Phantoms have over it)
      The EJ Kai radar is very good, yes, but the radar alone did not make it "BR 11.7" good, and now certainly not "BR 12.7" good.
      As the other guy below said, it might be justified if it gets AAM-3s. But they don't have them in-game, I don't think they're adding them as its BR gets increased, so I still disagree with its current or future BR increase. I don't think Gaijin is going to add them anytime soon, knowing they barely even look at the Japanese tech tree

    • @Cheesycat0
      @Cheesycat0 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @amazingstealth8235 the radar is better so the 7f are better on it. It gets 9L insted of 9g and rhe agile Eagle doesn't matter when the f4s needs to bring an gun pound(and its still an f4). Yes it shouldn't be 12.7 but it's better then the f4s?

  • @ebality
    @ebality 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    F-4C at 10.7 is just sad, what is gaijiin smoking

  • @mochabear88
    @mochabear88 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ty

  • @DTC-ex7wg
    @DTC-ex7wg 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Who the hell thought the F4Js being higher BR than the Tornado ADV/F.3 was a good idea?
    I'd love to see who thinks the Tornado IDS match the ADV/F.3 in air capabilities since they are staying the matched in BR.

  • @Lulzwhat
    @Lulzwhat 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    These changes stupid and even pointless. Becuase it's not a decompression at all. They UP everthing but also stays everything relatively at same BR against eachother. What't the point?

  • @SotGravarg
    @SotGravarg 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    F-5A going 11.0 YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!

    • @radsbosscraft8476
      @radsbosscraft8476 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      yeah i understand the f-5's are a bit busted but to increase the BR by a whole battle rating seems a bit extreme because the planes did struggle a bit in uptiers but i guess we can wait and see but really sucks to see

    • @SotGravarg
      @SotGravarg 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@radsbosscraft8476 Nah I mean the F-5A is said to be the same as the F-5C but I had a couple dogfights in the A and it felt like always the C variant had more energy retention than me. Also at any dogfight my plane was spaded and I had ace crew.

    • @p_filippouz
      @p_filippouz 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      GOOD, that's one less loose end

    • @batlax18
      @batlax18 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Theres not really anything there that you couldn’t see in a full uptier anyways

  • @Basicallybaltic
    @Basicallybaltic 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    “Yeah so we might have absolutely killed the F-4C, but yay decompression”

  • @capitanbeto1228
    @capitanbeto1228 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve been using the mig-23bn to grind out the alpha jet and these changes are gonna make my life so much easier. I can barely kill people with my guns because out of 100 matches I’ve had around 7 were down tiers. The rest were up tiers either much faster and better missle planes

  • @Dinozavr210
    @Dinozavr210 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    F-5C at 11.0? Cursed WT dev decision

    • @sholva5947
      @sholva5947 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      was about to say that

    • @SotGravarg
      @SotGravarg 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      F-5A is a worse C but is at the same br. Was it before at 10.3 too, but there it was at 10.3 and not at 11.0!!!

    • @Starkogi
      @Starkogi 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      F5 pilots are actually insufferable.
      They might actually have to develop skill now.

    • @SotGravarg
      @SotGravarg 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Starkogi You mean F-5C pilots. Cuz A and E and very much ok.

  • @logicmaster756
    @logicmaster756 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Surprise surprise there's always more questions

  • @TheChrikos
    @TheChrikos 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They might also look at fuel amounts and engine consumtion of all Jets, the atleast fixed the f16 fuel guzzeling.

  • @cyberdroid2300
    @cyberdroid2300 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm of the opinion that the SU-25's and A-10's being as low as they are in the name of "Airframe balance" (disregarding that they carry all aspect missiles) are the reason that F-104's and Mig-19's aren't or can't be moved up and it's negatively affecting that whole 8.3-9.7 BR range. That and the fact that top tier is so squished in, but I'm still a humble cold war jet player and I don't understand that part well enough. I'd like to hear other opinions.

  • @ductringuyen4056
    @ductringuyen4056 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fact that we got decompression and stock arh before gta6 is crazy.

  • @judet2992
    @judet2992 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Rare Gaijin balancing team W.

  • @TomPrickVixen
    @TomPrickVixen 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Told ya just change the match maker from rank rank 6 (maybe from rank 5?) to +/- 0.5 BR difference maximum and it would solve most of the problems (and change some jets' BR accordingly)!

  • @Juggy00
    @Juggy00 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A long time ago in a server far far away there was a 20 tier MM system and all was well…at least before the BR system was introduced.

  • @Optimusprime56241
    @Optimusprime56241 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gaijin straight up forgot about ground at this point, we don’t even have 12.0 yet

  • @saplingseedsaccrew3143
    @saplingseedsaccrew3143 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    HALLELUJAH!!!

  • @Warmin141
    @Warmin141 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ju-87 with gunpods would be defyn (Legendary)

  • @trexgamer1132
    @trexgamer1132 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What Gaijin should do is put dividers in where say if a plane has all aspect 30G IR missiles it cannot face aircraft that don't have flares, and planes with ARH missiles cannot face planes without them, it's a very simple change that'd fix a lot of problems and make flight performance the main point of which plane is better rather than what planes can use certain weapons.

  • @surgetsann
    @surgetsann 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Maybe they are giving the EJ-Kai AAM-3s there was a bug report for it I think

  • @code6499
    @code6499 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Sooooo the drag on the R-77 not getting fixed anytime soon? 😅

  • @WarThunderCLipsYT
    @WarThunderCLipsYT 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    when is this coming into place?

  • @tomako1176
    @tomako1176 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    7:35 I am currently grinding for the Swedish Gripen with RB99 and I just don't know how what am I supposed to do with only IR missiles since now everyone is fighting from 15 km away and until you get to them you get 5 aim-120 into your face

    • @ea-nasir420
      @ea-nasir420 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Notch, hide, fly low, sneak attack. Not easy, but the only way to play with IR only vs radar imo

    • @tomako1176
      @tomako1176 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@ea-nasir420 sneak attack? Man did you even play the game since fox-3 got added?

  • @robinviel4816
    @robinviel4816 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That’s crazy

  • @yuemao7497
    @yuemao7497 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Does this mean I won’t have to spade the f14 with 2 aim9d? Only reason I haven’t played it more than like 2 matches

  • @abdallah5906
    @abdallah5906 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The best