Love it or hate it, Mk Leo’s Joker will be a defining feature of Ultimate’s competitive history. It will definitely be one of the player/character combos I remember the most
Ghoat I’d say they hated it when it dominated, blaming Leo’s success on Joker being broken. But now it’s clear Leo is just godlike with anyone, so Joker is remembered more fondly
@@Ghoats He's one of the best characters in the game and has a disgusting comeback factor in Arsene that isn't needed for him to be the best, however since other characters like Steve, Minmin, and Sonic have risen to prominence I think Joker is less hated even though all are busted as fuck.
Fun Fact: Leo never actually won a Smash Factor with Joker, as Marss won Smash Factor in 2019, and 2020/2021 didn’t have one. He finally got that win today
spoilers: Leo's Joker looked REALLY ready for Minmin (or maybe small sample size from their WF battle) and would be great to see him vs Proto in a rematch with that character (was thinking he might try MK since Abadango just 3-0d Proto with MK very recently, but with these Joker results I doubt that'll happen now). I believe Leo is just the best player in general with the cast as a whole overall and makes any character he played to be "overrated" by the community as a reaction right after using them (Pythra/Joker are top tier but not what they're viewed as due to his fundamentals at Smash imo), although I personally also think Dabuz should have more faith in himself in general (since his tweet beforehand suggested going into GFs with a poor mental, which i relate to as I been there countless times in my life), but Dabuz was looking very dominant vs everybody else this bracket and that deserves being very proud of.
@@extasse99 YESSSSS! I am too! He was playing Steve when the character was first released and was actually looking pretty great. Idk why he stopped but I've always thought the same thing.
Tbh though Dabuz doesn't need another character, look at the players left in his wake the man is still super top level but common how many people have actually taken down Leo. . . The list isn't that big, And it takes everything they got to do it.
Mkleo has used a different character for each of his past 5 Grand Finals: Joker in Smash Factor ROB in Double Down Aegis in Colossel Corrin in 95 King of Fields Byleth in E-Caribana
Yeah, he's definitely using gun a lot more, and it definitely elevates his Joker even more, as unbelievable as that is. There's so much pressure and chip damage.
@@xanaviii He uses it because it’s free damage on Luma. Luma gets hit even when Rosa shields. It’s him taking advantage of his characters tools. Also rosa excels at juggling but joker’s gun (a bullshit mechanic) prevents her from juggling.
As much as I understand why Leo doesn’t wanna solo main Joker like the old days, it’s nice to see him play a high speed high technical character every now and again (that isn’t Mythra)
@@TheAlolanRaichu Mythra is technical, but only if you want her to be. She can absolutely monkey her way into winning most matchups, but that's generally not doable in top play.
@@juniperrodley9843 Mythra is not technical. The most technical thing she does is footstool combos. Even Leo's Byleth is more technical with slingshot to get aerial lance tippers, up air dragdowns, bow shot wavebounces and b reverses, tether cancels, etc
@@jeffsiemens4485 what’s absurd is that Leo has held dominance over the LAN competitive scene for nearly 5 years now. Doesn’t look like anything’s changing soon.
Watching this really took me back when Leo won the the evo against Tweek, I was in a hotel in Houston, a business trip right after my gf broke up with me. Watching the Evo finals was so exciting that I forgot about everything, and it was thanks to how exciting Leo's joker was.
Even after this crazy meta imo I still think Leo’s joker is the most hype thing ultimate has gotten and is peak ultimate in my eyes. No jokers come close to how precise Leo’s confirms and his advantage state and movement he has with this character
Props to Leo for winning of course, but this tournament was an even bigger deal for Dabuz. This tournament was pre-pandemic Dabuz back in action, and I hope to see more of it.
@Jermare for real he has a true passion for Rosa. That’s why he makes her work at high level. Too bad most top tiers oppress Rosalina offstage and make it hard for her to even breathe
Crazy that Leo has beaten a player of Dabuz's caliber with six different characters in tournament: Ike, Lucina, Wolf, Joker, Pyra/Mythra, and Byleth. I'm glad Leo decided to treat us with the Joker today. You could say the Min Min forced it out, but based on WF, Leo could have finished it with Pyra/Mythra today, but he decided to make it easier on himself to win in his home country with Joker.
He was taking advantage of his characters tools. That’s what makes him a fantastic player. Gun gets free damage on Luma and prevents Rosa from juggling. Gun is also very good at interrupting rosas up b. Props to dabuz too because he did an amazing job because this matchup is so bad for Rosalina. Joker played well removes all of the things that make rosa a character
One of my first videos I watched from Leo was his joker. Watching him win with this character made me feel so happy and nostalgic, man. The king of the thieves is back!
@@MCSQUID1 I think he’s joking and referring to sly Cooper. Leo is def the best joker. Not because he necessarily understands the character the best, but because he understands the fundamentals of ultimate so well, but pair that with his understanding of the character and it’s so good.
I’m truly going to miss Leo when he’s gone, it’s like Lebron saying goodbye. The combination of the humility matched with limitless skill there will never be anything like him ever again, so thank you King while your still around.
@@usern4metak3ns Ik min min is pretty busted but did you really just talk about both joker and min min in the same sentence and choose min min as the one to call broken?
* refreshing the VGBootcamp page 50 times just to comment * - First. On a serious note, watching Leo Joker is an absolute delight . He has fans all over the world for this kind of movement . Sending good vibes from Asia 💜
Leo said he didn’t pull Joker against Proto because he wasn’t feeling 100% I imagine it was because the tournament went stupidly late (why did they do top 12) and it was after weeks of competing for him Both of them are going to summit so it’ll come to a head there, I hope Leo feels energized enough to pull it out
@@miwe3719 Proto never seems to let Jetlag get to him that much, everytime he travels with other Japanese he tends to perform the best out of all of them He had enough energy to ice everyone for as long as he did and popoff like he did, I think he was doing okay
@@timjim7163 I think Joker always have even matchup to a lot of characters, if you watch Leo play in 2019 you can find that he always get a even match. I think that's the main reason why Leo give up Joker for 2 years.
People tend to forget how difficult it is to play Joker consistently well at the highest level. Arsene might be broken but you don't always get him when you want it. Joker's hitboxes are rather precise and confirms are relatively hard to get. If you're not playing well, it's easy to miss confirms or get punished and not even reach an advantageous state where you can get confirms. This probably contributes to why Leo don't want to pull him out when he's not at 100%.
The way Leo played in this tournament was insane. The confidence in every match of I'm gonna win was crazy he literally was a train that couldn't be stopped
Surely Rosa needs reconsidering as higher than mid-tier at this point? Props to both players, but incredible performance by MKLeo, his Joker is unreal.
Imo Rosa is solidly in high mid tier at most. It's just that dabuz feels like the sole rep of Rosa at top or even just high level play (so including top 64 at super majors and top 32 at majors) to a greater degree than any other character in the game (except maybe like MK with abadango but MK is in the same boat).
I think it's stupid people consider her mid tier. She's clearly a great character, just isn't fun to play and piloting Luma optimally is actually pretty damn tedious to incorporate into a playstyle.
@@nicholas930 I agree. For some reason people think anything below high tier mean "unviable". Rosa can be mid tier and still be viable it's just viable but needs a secondary.
@@shikarixox1195 I honestly find her really fun to play. She’s just the hardest for me to adapt with but I did drop her but she was my emergency counterpick
I tried to pick her up but Luma too inconsistent and dies too easily. She’s also too floaty and a little hard to confirm online. Dabuz makes her look top tier but she’s mid tier at best.
@@braxinIV cause the last time Leo pulled out the joker was versus dabuzz’s min min and since then he’s fought proto at least 2-3 times and said he’s not pulling out the joker, even going so far as to play ROB, but still not quite making it work, he clearly struggles versus min min with all his regular characters of late, so dabuzz thinks “my god this is my fuckin chance to get a major win in ultimate,” but NO Leo pulls out the joker and absolutely claps his cheeks with it
I'd say that he wasn't the best Joker for a bit just because he wasn't actually playing the character. However, I always believed that he could potentially do what he just did here by winning with the character after not using him for a while, and taking that #1 Joker title back very easily by doing so.
Dabuz was playing out of his mind with the lunar landings, attack cancelling, & confirms coming from those. He makes Rosa look like a top-tier. Gotta give major props to him.
Sadly most people only praise Leo and don’t see how well dabuz was playing. He did an amazing job for using a mid tier who has a terrible matchup against joker.
@@opheliavalentine6058 rosa is a confident high tier. All the buffs increased rosa's consistency. And players like dabuz & kirihari are showing that the character is mostly solo viable.
@@opheliavalentine6058 Rosa mitigates that weakness by being one of the most mu intensive knowledge checks you need to know to blatantly avoid her constant desync pressure. + lunar landings. & attack cancel madness.
Okay but I gotta hand it to Roy. He was an astounding commentator for this match. His energy, attention, and mindful awareness is just something I appreciated wholly. Made this nostalgic MkLeo Joker all the better!
Leo's Joker really is the Super Boss of Smash Ultimate lmao. Imagining Leo and his Joker like some Lingering Will/Yozora esque Superboss with Rivers in the Desert as its main theme is pretty funny.
Being able to play grand finals (absolute top level) with Joker, Rob, Aegis, Byleth and Corrin is just ridiculous... definitely the meta is evolving into a state in which character couterpicking is a real deal. No character has 100% winning matchups so top players will have to rely more and more on having 2-3 viable characters ready to go. Seems the solo-main era is over
Funny how people feel sorry for Dabuz because Leo pulled the Joker vs him but not with Proto, as if Leo was some sort of god who decides who wins and who loses a tournament.. but I guess at this point it's no joke anymore 🤯
Often times I see top players getting hated on by the community. I remember when ZeRo went on his crazy win streak in smash 4, he got boo'd everywhere and people were really just wanting him to lose. But thankfully I don't see that happening much with Leo. Maybe it's because his playstyle is so aggressive, maybe it's because he plays so many characters at the top level and it's exciting to see who he plays, or maybe the smash community is getting better(lol, probably not). Even if it is in Leo's homecourt, I'm glad to see the top player getting so much support!
The thing with ZeRo is that he was way too cocky, he assumed an annoying persona on purpose. Leo seems to be a more level-headed individual, whos feet are always on the ground. The only times I could think he has gotten cocky are when he plays secondaries such as ROB, which can be perceived as disrespectful; but other than that, I don't see any issue.
The only time Leo is being hated on, but barely, is when he plays the Aegis. As you will find in some of the comments of some of these previous matches on this tournament, when he played as them.
MKLeo's Joker is the greatest thing to be played at the highest level and to be successful with it, adds another level of how godly this man plays. it was amazing to see him bring Joker back but if he doesn't feel like playing Joker again, then that's completely fine and people should stop bugging him to play him. People tend to forget Leo has won many games without using Joker especially before he was released. I also want to say no one should put down these players if they lose in top 10 and above. They worked hard to get there and if they continue to have that consistency then that's even better. Congrats to Leo and great job to Dabuz. I know Dabuz will win a big major and when he does it'll be a celebration like no other. This game is so much fun to watch with the variety of characters (except for sonic) and pro players playing their hearts out.
Joker is the character for Leo. Watching Leo using joker is when one of those anime characters recently got their ultimate power up and start testing those powers against the enemy.
I want to point out, the Meta evening out across the board is making for the best game theory matchups when combined with great players who are so skilled they can make a matchup spread at an elite level and still take tourneys. So freaking cool to experience this. I hope more players go MKleos route and just become the best OVERALL player just as Ultimate was designed for with such great balancing.
It's good to know Leo has learned from other Jokers to polish his own style. I remember the first Joker I saw abuse guns like this was Zackray. It's good to know he has realized that's the tool his 2019 Joker lacked.
Cap. Leo always used guns like that. Yall just forget leo’s prime joker, and be riding marss and zackray’s, when their joker dont even come close to this one
@@marlon1945 Ok, I'd appreciate you show us the readers an example of him abusing guns the same way he did here during the pre-lockdown era. Using down gun as an edgeguard tool does not constitute "abusing gun" as that's a pretty basic edgeguard that any Joker should be able to perform. What I mean by "Gun abuse" is the optimal use of gun in neutral to apply pressure to the opponent, sometimes even jablock the opponent. I'll wait. The only person that used to do that back then was Zackray, and people noticed that. Leo was more focused on whiff punishing the opponent through dash dancing and spacing, he played Joker as if he was Sheik with a sword, whereas Zackray made his Joker look like Fox sometimes.
@@BakingSoda4U 🧢🧢🧢🧢 watch his matches against samsora. He started implementing lots of gun when people started to camp him out. He used it a lot in his match against marss for genesis 7. He even implemented his gun to fair1 into smash attack. Yall just have shitty memory. Yall desperately want to find competition for leo so yall stay hyping up everyone else’s joker. You probly one of those that thought marss joker was the best joker, till leo brought his out again lmao
@@marlon1945 Leave to an immature fanboy to interpret a compliment as an insult, or to put words in other people's mouth. I don't give damn about marss but it seems he has done something very bad to you, for you to let him live rent free in your head. I hope you might be able to heal. Also, burden of proof is on you, I'm not gonna look for anything. If you want me to look then post the link, otherwise I could keep watching and watching sets and you could move the goalposts by saying, "it's not that one, keep looking". Good luck with that, son.
@@BakingSoda4U lmao you reaching, you just seem like those marss fanboys. You dont gotta search hard to see he implemented guns a lot. Like i said, the last 4 samsora sets and the set against marss grand finals of genesis are examples him doing just that. You just want to be different “son” LMAO
Leo Joker is probably the most hype character to watch in competitive ultimate. Dabuz Rosalina is so good as well, but man Leo's Joker is really special
Only reason I like Leo’s joker is because it’s fun to root for the other player. But I don’t get how people don’t think Joker is broken. Arsenal back air is like Ganandorf Strength but only 7 frames if iirc. Invincible startup on up b. Gun is broken. Bullets cant be reflected for more damage. You can dodge in like ten directions. Can angle the bullets down for easy gimps and the bullets are barely dodge able. Like Mario’s fireball you can jump over it. But if Joker is in neutral he can catch you off guard with a few bullets for free % and you can’t react to it like you can like in Mario’s fireball example.He has insane combos with insane damage output. Most broken counter known to man. Quick and nimble. Can throw out side b randomly even incorporate it into the end of a combo and people will just drift into it. Side b with ardent does insane damage with insane launch for joker to establish center stage. And if you shield but it hits the ground next to you it will still hit you with the after effect/explosion when you unshield. You can also throw it out when recovering to protect yourself. The opponent will be forced to let you recovery for free. Also comeback mechanic. Down B can also help you charge up Arsenal. So can getting hit. So you can get ardent rather quickly.
Poor dabuz, bro literally always gets so close to winning majors but loses in grands or losers finals, hopefully he gets a really good run and wins one someday soon
Jesus after looking back at Marss v Leo at Smash Factor 8 it’s so clear how much Leo’s joker has developed since then even though he doesn’t main him anymore
I love Dabuz, but he stood no chance against an MkLeo Joker. I don’t even think it’s Debuz, it’s straight up Rosalina and Luma; literally Luma dies so easily it’s frustrating to watch. The only people (that I know of anyways) that have beat Leo, is Samsora and Nairo. Unfortunately, Samsora is banned, but that doesn’t mean his history with Leo is forgotten; and their battles were always legendary. These players may have beaten Leo, but they are far from being better than Leo. So far Leo is the king of SSBU.. ❤️
A lot of people have taken sets off of Leo: Kurama, Marss, Nairo, Dabuz, Light, Sparg0, Glutonny, etc. but only ESAM and Protobanham are consistent at it
Eras of ultimate can really be identified by who leo is maining
Leo dominates overall, but his Joker is definitely one of the most fun things to watch in Ultimate
Joker is the king of all his mains, but besides maybe Ike nowadays, I think Leo is still able to win a major with any of his mains. True GOAT
Ike, wolf, lucina, joker, byleth, corrin, aegis, rob, joker . . . List goes on
Bro so true
@@nolanbrewer898 he was joked about playing Kazuya for the pika matchup on twitter but idk if he ever did it
Love it or hate it, Mk Leo’s Joker will be a defining feature of Ultimate’s competitive history. It will definitely be one of the player/character combos I remember the most
do people really hate joker
Ghoat I’d say they hated it when it dominated, blaming Leo’s success on Joker being broken. But now it’s clear Leo is just godlike with anyone, so Joker is remembered more fondly
@@Ghoats He's one of the best characters in the game and has a disgusting comeback factor in Arsene that isn't needed for him to be the best, however since other characters like Steve, Minmin, and Sonic have risen to prominence I think Joker is less hated even though all are busted as fuck.
Love it
@@fernandovargas5338 well said
>Doesn't use Byleth in the whole tourney
>Uses Joker again out of nowhere
>Wins the event for the 5th time
>Doesn't elaborate
>Leaves
What a chad
Fun Fact: Leo never actually won a Smash Factor with Joker, as Marss won Smash Factor in 2019, and 2020/2021 didn’t have one. He finally got that win today
if theres only been one other result its not really an anomaly, but ig it is a pretty fun fact
@@jactotum random
spoilers:
Leo's Joker looked REALLY ready for Minmin (or maybe small sample size from their WF battle) and would be great to see him vs Proto in a rematch with that character (was thinking he might try MK since Abadango just 3-0d Proto with MK very recently, but with these Joker results I doubt that'll happen now). I believe Leo is just the best player in general with the cast as a whole overall and makes any character he played to be "overrated" by the community as a reaction right after using them (Pythra/Joker are top tier but not what they're viewed as due to his fundamentals at Smash imo), although I personally also think Dabuz should have more faith in himself in general (since his tweet beforehand suggested going into GFs with a poor mental, which i relate to as I been there countless times in my life), but Dabuz was looking very dominant vs everybody else this bracket and that deserves being very proud of.
Lol M2K
Didn’t you say aegis was overrated and not top 3?
Just waiting for the Dabuz Steve cos at this point why not add another weird character to the list
@@extasse99 YESSSSS! I am too! He was playing Steve when the character was first released and was actually looking pretty great. Idk why he stopped but I've always thought the same thing.
Tbh though Dabuz doesn't need another character, look at the players left in his wake the man is still super top level but common how many people have actually taken down Leo. . . The list isn't that big, And it takes everything they got to do it.
Leo has a Joker hidden up his sleeve as a true Min Min repellant.
and it's not even a terrible terrible matchup, not great. but Leo is Leo. he makes everything seem so much harder
Yet when it comes to proto’s min min he won’t use it😔
Yeah. Joker is fast, can combo good, Arsene, and most importantly guns off stage ruins Min Min mediocre tether recovery
@@mrharvy100 min min with byleth tether range would be funny
that's a blessing, fuck Min Min
Luma: *spawns*
Mkleo: how many times do I have to teach you this lesson old man?
jsjsjsjsj laugh in spanish
Lmao🤣🤣🤣
Literally xD
Leo's Joker is probably my fav thing to watch in Ultimate - such a smooth criminal. I hope he uses him more frequently!
Steal your Heart... and your stocks!
Mkleo has used a different character for each of his past 5 Grand Finals:
Joker in Smash Factor
ROB in Double Down
Aegis in Colossel
Corrin in 95 King of Fields
Byleth in E-Caribana
GOAT status.
Leo using gun way more often than he used to is gonna be so scary for his opponents
Same with his grappling hook up b
Yeah, he's definitely using gun a lot more, and it definitely elevates his Joker even more, as unbelievable as that is. There's so much pressure and chip damage.
Joker gun, and especially down gun is one of the most oppressive moves in the game
@@xanaviii He uses it because it’s free damage on Luma. Luma gets hit even when Rosa shields. It’s him taking advantage of his characters tools. Also rosa excels at juggling but joker’s gun (a bullshit mechanic) prevents her from juggling.
As much as I understand why Leo doesn’t wanna solo main Joker like the old days, it’s nice to see him play a high speed high technical character every now and again (that isn’t Mythra)
Imo mythra isnt technical but :/. Also i love vars 2 and 3 keep up the good work!
@@TheAlolanRaichu Mythra is technical, but only if you want her to be. She can absolutely monkey her way into winning most matchups, but that's generally not doable in top play.
@@juniperrodley9843 depends if youre playing against dk or steve is what i mean, but even against steve braindead works but like you say not as great
@@juniperrodley9843 where is the mythra tech
@@juniperrodley9843 Mythra is not technical. The most technical thing she does is footstool combos. Even Leo's Byleth is more technical with slingshot to get aerial lance tippers, up air dragdowns, bow shot wavebounces and b reverses, tether cancels, etc
Enjoy this boys and girls, you're witnessing a true masterpiece of a player, and there will never be another like MKLeo
cant wait for the EmpLemon video on him in 5 years
@@soleve9221 there will Never Ever be another Ultimate player like MKLeo
That’s absurd. You never know what
the future will bring.
@@jeffsiemens4485 what’s absurd is that Leo has held dominance over the LAN competitive scene for nearly 5 years now. Doesn’t look like anything’s changing soon.
happy to live in a time like this and that I came back to smash lol !!! but yeah legendary leo
Watching this really took me back when Leo won the the evo against Tweek, I was in a hotel in Houston, a business trip right after my gf broke up with me. Watching the Evo finals was so exciting that I forgot about everything, and it was thanks to how exciting Leo's joker was.
Her loss
Is this... a copypasta?
@@damarihanson3876 loool
She broke, you up
She probably thought you were cheating since you kept talking about Smash with the boys.
After all this time Leo still has the cleanest joker in the business
Leo lost 4 stocks in 4 games vs Dabuz with the joker. That’s just insane.
Even after this crazy meta imo I still think Leo’s joker is the most hype thing ultimate has gotten and is peak ultimate in my eyes.
No jokers come close to how precise Leo’s confirms and his advantage state and movement he has with this character
Yeah it’s actually absurd how little many of us joker players are doing in comparison to him. True art.
It's funny because as I have gotten better at the game, I've started to truly appreciate how good Leo's Joker is
@@scallopy7546 The better people get, the more they'll appreciate top level play
Kazuya Mishima
Zackray isn't far off. People need to watch more Japanese tournaments.
13:51 can we talk of how perfect that backair was
Kobe
@@Allplussomeminus yes?
Props to Leo for winning of course, but this tournament was an even bigger deal for Dabuz. This tournament was pre-pandemic Dabuz back in action, and I hope to see more of it.
if only he played a good character, or just got better with min min, stubborn lip boy
@Jermare for real he has a true passion for Rosa. That’s why he makes her work at high level. Too bad most top tiers oppress Rosalina offstage and make it hard for her to even breathe
Crazy that Leo has beaten a player of Dabuz's caliber with six different characters in tournament: Ike, Lucina, Wolf, Joker, Pyra/Mythra, and Byleth. I'm glad Leo decided to treat us with the Joker today. You could say the Min Min forced it out, but based on WF, Leo could have finished it with Pyra/Mythra today, but he decided to make it easier on himself to win in his home country with Joker.
I think he took it some kind of way when Dabuz taunted him. Cause the next game Leo took the first stock and taunted him back.
Well they're all top tiers and probably all of them beat Rosa
@@willycheez7218 Ike isn’t top tier?
@@MakimaDog Didn't see Ike. He's not far off though, high tier
Don't forget corrin. That makes 7 chars
L4st is a great caster, the man has a way with words
Yeah the commentary from both L4st and Roy was really good
He’s fine but the phrase “we need a PG stats breakdown of...” needs to die immediately
Why?
@@damarihanson3876 its just a joke bro
@@damarihanson3876 what’s wrong with PGStats?
Leo Joker is like an SNK Boss.
I swear Joker gets a frame or 2 faster in Leo's hands.
The GUN THOUGH. Leo's Joker is really a true piece of art, and a joy to watch.
He was taking advantage of his characters tools. That’s what makes him a fantastic player. Gun gets free damage on Luma and prevents Rosa from juggling. Gun is also very good at interrupting rosas up b. Props to dabuz too because he did an amazing job because this matchup is so bad for Rosalina. Joker played well removes all of the things that make rosa a character
18:05-18:22 that guy dancing is a legend
guy looking clean with the suit😂
That’s me, couldn’t help it but vibe with Joker’s victory theme and be happy with the delightful match that we were treated with.
How can I blame you? Dance like there’s no tomorrow my friend!
He’s just vibing
One of my first videos I watched from Leo was his joker. Watching him win with this character made me feel so happy and nostalgic, man. The king of the thieves is back!
Joker is not the king of thieves....Sly is...
@@ayakaloyalist eh, who cares man. I'm just sayin that leo is an awesome joker not the best joker.
@@MCSQUID1 I think he’s joking and referring to sly Cooper. Leo is def the best joker. Not because he necessarily understands the character the best, but because he understands the fundamentals of ultimate so well, but pair that with his understanding of the character and it’s so good.
@@ktn8329 ok cool lmao
@@MCSQUID1 us persona 5 players 😤
Leo Joker just hits different, literally.
YOOOOOOOOOOO
Shout-outs to the cameraman. The camera angle following Leo after the end of the set was epic. You could feel the energy of the crowd.
He was trying to dap Dabuz up, but the salt was heavy
I’m truly going to miss Leo when he’s gone, it’s like Lebron saying goodbye. The combination of the humility matched with limitless skill there will never be anything like him ever again, so thank you King while your still around.
Hes still so young hopefully we have many more years of him in the scene. Wouldn't want another isai situation
In a deteriorating meta with Steves and min min’s running rampant, Leo’s joker is here to save the day
MKLeo, pinnacle of skill. Much respect for Dabuz for not giving up with Rosalina. That’s a tough matchup
Debuz didn't have a choice, joker is such a hard counter to his min min, he couldn't play that broken character against joker
@@usern4metak3ns Ik min min is pretty busted but did you really just talk about both joker and min min in the same sentence and choose min min as the one to call broken?
@@exilibus yeah, easily
@@exilibus are you serious rn💀
@@exilibusJoker isn't broken. Lol
You know it's a Leo Joker set when over half the video is just the Persona 5 victory theme echoing distantly through the venue.
* refreshing the VGBootcamp page 50 times just to comment * - First.
On a serious note, watching Leo Joker is an absolute delight . He has fans all over the world for this kind of movement . Sending good vibes from Asia 💜
Leo's Joker is the pinnacle of stylish in ultimate
Dabuz was the original villain but now he's the hero who brought out THE JOKER
Leo said he didn’t pull Joker against Proto because he wasn’t feeling 100%
I imagine it was because the tournament went stupidly late (why did they do top 12) and it was after weeks of competing for him
Both of them are going to summit so it’ll come to a head there, I hope Leo feels energized enough to pull it out
I doubt Proto was 100% either since he had to fly halfway around the world for the tournament
@@miwe3719 Proto never seems to let Jetlag get to him that much, everytime he travels with other Japanese he tends to perform the best out of all of them
He had enough energy to ice everyone for as long as he did and popoff like he did, I think he was doing okay
@@timjim7163 I think Joker always have even matchup to a lot of characters, if you watch Leo play in 2019 you can find that he always get a even match. I think that's the main reason why Leo give up Joker for 2 years.
@@miwe3719 Leo's said specifically he feels like Joker needs 100%
People tend to forget how difficult it is to play Joker consistently well at the highest level. Arsene might be broken but you don't always get him when you want it. Joker's hitboxes are rather precise and confirms are relatively hard to get. If you're not playing well, it's easy to miss confirms or get punished and not even reach an advantageous state where you can get confirms. This probably contributes to why Leo don't want to pull him out when he's not at 100%.
Man's took one game off Leo in winners and Leo took it far too personally
The way Leo played in this tournament was insane. The confidence in every match of I'm gonna win was crazy he literally was a train that couldn't be stopped
Leo taking the crown in Mexico as Joker is just legendary. This man will forever be goated in my eyes 🔥
mkleo ジョーカーのプレイを見ることでしか摂取できない栄養がある
Surely Rosa needs reconsidering as higher than mid-tier at this point? Props to both players, but incredible performance by MKLeo, his Joker is unreal.
Imo Rosa is solidly in high mid tier at most. It's just that dabuz feels like the sole rep of Rosa at top or even just high level play (so including top 64 at super majors and top 32 at majors) to a greater degree than any other character in the game (except maybe like MK with abadango but MK is in the same boat).
I think it's stupid people consider her mid tier. She's clearly a great character, just isn't fun to play and piloting Luma optimally is actually pretty damn tedious to incorporate into a playstyle.
@@nicholas930 I agree. For some reason people think anything below high tier mean "unviable". Rosa can be mid tier and still be viable it's just viable but needs a secondary.
@@shikarixox1195 I honestly find her really fun to play. She’s just the hardest for me to adapt with but I did drop her but she was my emergency counterpick
I tried to pick her up but Luma too inconsistent and dies too easily. She’s also too floaty and a little hard to confirm online. Dabuz makes her look top tier but she’s mid tier at best.
The way Leo plays the game it's like he's so far ahead of his time. It's nothing I've ever seen before. Enjoy greatness folks.
2019 feels son distant, already. The fact that Leo's joker looks better than ever...
Imagine being dabuz at this moment man. If any tournament was his tournament, it was this one, but this man Mkleo will always be a thorn in his side
I would be so mad that he brought out joker against me
@@cashinowt why?
@@braxinIV cause the last time Leo pulled out the joker was versus dabuzz’s min min and since then he’s fought proto at least 2-3 times and said he’s not pulling out the joker, even going so far as to play ROB, but still not quite making it work, he clearly struggles versus min min with all his regular characters of late, so dabuzz thinks “my god this is my fuckin chance to get a major win in ultimate,” but NO Leo pulls out the joker and absolutely claps his cheeks with it
@@cashinowt 😂😂
@@cashinowt hey at least he won that one tournament and got like $25k in cash
I remember comments about Leo not being the best Joker anymore...
Are we sure about that ? that Joker looked so good it's insane
His Joker looked BETTER than usual
He was never not the best Joker, even when not playing him much. I’ve never looked at another Joker and thought it came close, even Zackray.
Nobody said that
I'd say that he wasn't the best Joker for a bit just because he wasn't actually playing the character. However, I always believed that he could potentially do what he just did here by winning with the character after not using him for a while, and taking that #1 Joker title back very easily by doing so.
Leo’s Joker beat Dabuz so hard that he didn’t even appear on the medal ceremony :((
I hope thay happens to Protobanham too.
Dabuz nooo :(
Leo just looks like he wants to sleep so he decided to end it early. What a monster lmaooo
8:08 Leo was really schmoovin on that ledge there
the set that mindbroke Dabuz
Dabuz played well though for using a crappy character like Rosalina.
@@opheliavalentine6058 She Isn’t Crappy, She Is Hard To Lose
Dabuz was playing out of his mind with the lunar landings, attack cancelling, & confirms coming from those. He makes Rosa look like a top-tier. Gotta give major props to him.
Sadly most people only praise Leo and don’t see how well dabuz was playing. He did an amazing job for using a mid tier who has a terrible matchup against joker.
@@opheliavalentine6058 rosa is a confident high tier. All the buffs increased rosa's consistency. And players like dabuz & kirihari are showing that the character is mostly solo viable.
@@Rhy2412TitanGamer she has too many losing match ups against top and High tier characters though. She’s definitely high mid tier
@@opheliavalentine6058 Rosa mitigates that weakness by being one of the most mu intensive knowledge checks you need to know to blatantly avoid her constant desync pressure. + lunar landings. & attack cancel madness.
Okay but I gotta hand it to Roy. He was an astounding commentator for this match. His energy, attention, and mindful awareness is just something I appreciated wholly. Made this nostalgic MkLeo Joker all the better!
Dabuz doesn’t get enough credit for keeping up the way he did as Rosalina in smash ultimate these days
People hate his playstyle and don’t understand the intricacies of playing Rosalina and Luma.
Jesus Christ, such a quick set, its almost like Mkleo has never stopped playing Joker, just goes to show he will always and only be, the best Joker
Leo's Joker is like his Marth in smash 4, pure art.
massive thanks to whoever added the last 15 minutes to this. I hate knowing when a set will end
This is the meta of Ultimate: have multiple characters on your ready
Leo was already doing it, even Gluto is picking up secondaries now
Who is gluto picking up?
@@nicholas930 Roy
Irony is Leo would only need Joker if he wanted
@@simonanderson4858 nah, he said for sonic and pika he prefers different characters
@@rngesus967 bruh no its min min
Leo's Joker really is the Super Boss of Smash Ultimate lmao. Imagining Leo and his Joker like some Lingering Will/Yozora esque Superboss with Rivers in the Desert as its main theme is pretty funny.
That's what if feels like... Some looming Super Boss.
More like true final boss in the prequarantine era
Now he is the secret optional sideboss that everyone shits his pants on in the post quarantine era
Being able to play grand finals (absolute top level) with Joker, Rob, Aegis, Byleth and Corrin is just ridiculous... definitely the meta is evolving into a state in which character couterpicking is a real deal. No character has 100% winning matchups so top players will have to rely more and more on having 2-3 viable characters ready to go. Seems the solo-main era is over
ProtoBanhamのルキナは、親指でなぞってる様な動きで、滑らかで美しいけど、
MkLeoのジョーカーはまるでジョーカーが自分で動いているかのような身のこなし方が美しい。
To those who wonder why we all say Joker is top 3 despite the results: this. This is why Joker is top 3
Totally agree joker is crazy good
The top 3 are Steve, Joker and Pyra/Mythra
So the top 3 are Byleth, Aegis, and Joker?
Ok cool
@@Alxinho959 that’s my thoughts too. Pika is probably 4 and Rob or Roy at 5
Leo’s Joker is truly the mascot and the most infamous character of Smash Ultimate and its always a pleasure to see it in full force
Dabuz saved grand finales from Aegis.
This gun heavy style is so sick, it’s crazy how Leo has a brand new play style for a character that he dominated with before
This set was so hype. Cant wait to see Leo use Joker vs Proto at Summit
MkLeo's Joker is the peak of Smash Ultimate.
Leo getting rid of 24 Lumas in the set (not counting Rosa's K.O.'s). That's how you play againts Rosalina.
"The world may have an army but we have a Leo" damn...
The King of New York is a mere mortal in the presence of the God of Ultimate
what's a king to a god
can't wait to see that rematch between proto and mkleo with joker in the battlefield.
Luma: *exists*
Leo: and I took that personally
The King of Thieves has returned.
And king of 2nd has as well…
Leos grapple and gun usage are just so smooth. Looks like a completely different character when he plays him.
YOU’LL NEVER SEE IT COMIIIIIIIING jokes aside so happy to see Leo’s joker again!
Indeed, nobody saw it coming
@@Allplussomeminus and then dabuz got hit by a freight train
Crazy how leos joker can change views on a video so much like an extra 90k views is insane. But the crowds reaction said it all tho.
Funny how people feel sorry for Dabuz because Leo pulled the Joker vs him but not with Proto, as if Leo was some sort of god who decides who wins and who loses a tournament.. but I guess at this point it's no joke anymore 🤯
Bro beat his ass on a grand finals under 15 mins that’s crazy
damn that’s actually incredible vs a campy player
Right? It’s absurd compared to the usual length of dabuz's sets
@@sweatybabypowderhands843 dabuz’s rosa is definitely not campy, just because he’s not playing a rush-down playstyle doesn’t mean it’s campy
@@sass_king5576 to be fair dabuz sets do run kinda long. Not as bad as a sonix but it’s up there
This whole game was just beautiful, watching leo play joker is like watching art 🖼.
Often times I see top players getting hated on by the community. I remember when ZeRo went on his crazy win streak in smash 4, he got boo'd everywhere and people were really just wanting him to lose. But thankfully I don't see that happening much with Leo. Maybe it's because his playstyle is so aggressive, maybe it's because he plays so many characters at the top level and it's exciting to see who he plays, or maybe the smash community is getting better(lol, probably not). Even if it is in Leo's homecourt, I'm glad to see the top player getting so much support!
The thing with ZeRo is that he was way too cocky, he assumed an annoying persona on purpose. Leo seems to be a more level-headed individual, whos feet are always on the ground. The only times I could think he has gotten cocky are when he plays secondaries such as ROB, which can be perceived as disrespectful; but other than that, I don't see any issue.
ZeRo was cocky and arrogant. He was a sore loser a lot of the time. Mkleo is nothing like that.
The only time Leo is being hated on, but barely, is when he plays the Aegis. As you will find in some of the comments of some of these previous matches on this tournament, when he played as them.
The smash community has never been good lol
The smash community is just hateful regardless
I can understand why people love Leo’s joker so much. It’s a thing of pure beauty. Why is this man so good??
Leo... Dude has been sandbagging for two years..
Leo's joker feels like he's unlocked a speed buff I've never seen someone control him with so much efficiency
MKLeo's Joker is the greatest thing to be played at the highest level and to be successful with it, adds another level of how godly this man plays. it was amazing to see him bring Joker back but if he doesn't feel like playing Joker again, then that's completely fine and people should stop bugging him to play him. People tend to forget Leo has won many games without using Joker especially before he was released. I also want to say no one should put down these players if they lose in top 10 and above. They worked hard to get there and if they continue to have that consistency then that's even better. Congrats to Leo and great job to Dabuz. I know Dabuz will win a big major and when he does it'll be a celebration like no other. This game is so much fun to watch with the variety of characters (except for sonic) and pro players playing their hearts out.
I think he might play him more often if people wouldn't bug him for it
Joker is the character for Leo. Watching Leo using joker is when one of those anime characters recently got their ultimate power up and start testing those powers against the enemy.
8:27 Mkleo is such a mastermind anticipating the perfectly timed down air and at least tries to recover where he cannot be hit.
I want to point out, the Meta evening out across the board is making for the best game theory matchups when combined with great players who are so skilled they can make a matchup spread at an elite level and still take tourneys. So freaking cool to experience this. I hope more players go MKleos route and just become the best OVERALL player just as Ultimate was designed for with such great balancing.
It's good to know Leo has learned from other Jokers to polish his own style. I remember the first Joker I saw abuse guns like this was Zackray. It's good to know he has realized that's the tool his 2019 Joker lacked.
Cap. Leo always used guns like that. Yall just forget leo’s prime joker, and be riding marss and zackray’s, when their joker dont even come close to this one
@@marlon1945 Ok, I'd appreciate you show us the readers an example of him abusing guns the same way he did here during the pre-lockdown era. Using down gun as an edgeguard tool does not constitute "abusing gun" as that's a pretty basic edgeguard that any Joker should be able to perform. What I mean by "Gun abuse" is the optimal use of gun in neutral to apply pressure to the opponent, sometimes even jablock the opponent. I'll wait. The only person that used to do that back then was Zackray, and people noticed that. Leo was more focused on whiff punishing the opponent through dash dancing and spacing, he played Joker as if he was Sheik with a sword, whereas Zackray made his Joker look like Fox sometimes.
@@BakingSoda4U 🧢🧢🧢🧢 watch his matches against samsora. He started implementing lots of gun when people started to camp him out. He used it a lot in his match against marss for genesis 7. He even implemented his gun to fair1 into smash attack. Yall just have shitty memory. Yall desperately want to find competition for leo so yall stay hyping up everyone else’s joker. You probly one of those that thought marss joker was the best joker, till leo brought his out again lmao
@@marlon1945 Leave to an immature fanboy to interpret a compliment as an insult, or to put words in other people's mouth. I don't give damn about marss but it seems he has done something very bad to you, for you to let him live rent free in your head. I hope you might be able to heal.
Also, burden of proof is on you, I'm not gonna look for anything. If you want me to look then post the link, otherwise I could keep watching and watching sets and you could move the goalposts by saying, "it's not that one, keep looking". Good luck with that, son.
@@BakingSoda4U lmao you reaching, you just seem like those marss fanboys. You dont gotta search hard to see he implemented guns a lot. Like i said, the last 4 samsora sets and the set against marss grand finals of genesis are examples him doing just that. You just want to be different “son” LMAO
FINALLY, THE JOKER IS IN AGAIN!!!
Leo Joker is probably the most hype character to watch in competitive ultimate. Dabuz Rosalina is so good as well, but man Leo's Joker is really special
Dabuz may be the *KING* of New York,
but everyone knows *JOKER* is the true Wildcard.
The goat is back with the character that made him mkleo.
The king of New York was merciful today.
It is unfair that they have to fight with the same stock as Mkleo's jokers.
But I send my thanks from Japan.
Only reason I like Leo’s joker is because it’s fun to root for the other player. But I don’t get how people don’t think Joker is broken. Arsenal back air is like Ganandorf Strength but only 7 frames if iirc. Invincible startup on up b. Gun is broken. Bullets cant be reflected for more damage. You can dodge in like ten directions. Can angle the bullets down for easy gimps and the bullets are barely dodge able. Like Mario’s fireball you can jump over it. But if Joker is in neutral he can catch you off guard with a few bullets for free % and you can’t react to it like you can like in Mario’s fireball example.He has insane combos with insane damage output. Most broken counter known to man. Quick and nimble. Can throw out side b randomly even incorporate it into the end of a combo and people will just drift into it. Side b with ardent does insane damage with insane launch for joker to establish center stage. And if you shield but it hits the ground next to you it will still hit you with the after effect/explosion when you unshield. You can also throw it out when recovering to protect yourself. The opponent will be forced to let you recovery for free. Also comeback mechanic. Down B can also help you charge up Arsenal. So can getting hit. So you can get ardent rather quickly.
he is broken, BUT
have you seen anyone other than leo be this dominant with him
he really isn't that accessible like rob or roy at full 100% strength
@@heikorudiger3258 He's still one of the top ten characters based on win rate. People say that Joker fell off, but it's a myth really.
Mk Leo’s joker feels untouchable in terms of style and precision
2:32 what was that?? positioning the Luma offstage and then recovering it at 2:37
"Authority is not given to you to deny the return of the king, steward."
I noticed that Leo is not going to losers lately. It's like he is done playing around and now becoming the final boss he is meme'd to be.
It always is a feels bad moment when someone faces off against him early
like ok losers side it is then
Poor dabuz, bro literally always gets so close to winning majors but loses in grands or losers finals, hopefully he gets a really good run and wins one someday soon
Jesus after looking back at Marss v Leo at Smash Factor 8 it’s so clear how much Leo’s joker has developed since then even though he doesn’t main him anymore
I really really really want to see another leo level player that pushes him again to his absolute peak perfomance bc that day was such a day
2:42 perfect execution.
I’m proud MKLEO’s Joker finally returned after being in the dust for far too long.
that joker is just sitting on a throne by himself and not being forced out for the simple reason:
*HE DOESN'T NEED TO*
I love Dabuz, but he stood no chance against an MkLeo Joker. I don’t even think it’s Debuz, it’s straight up Rosalina and Luma; literally Luma dies so easily it’s frustrating to watch.
The only people (that I know of anyways) that have beat Leo, is Samsora and Nairo. Unfortunately, Samsora is banned, but that doesn’t mean his history with Leo is forgotten; and their battles were always legendary. These players may have beaten Leo, but they are far from being better than Leo. So far Leo is the king of SSBU.. ❤️
Glu as well
Maars beat him too
Why is samsora banned?
A lot of people have taken sets off of Leo: Kurama, Marss, Nairo, Dabuz, Light, Sparg0, Glutonny, etc. but only ESAM and Protobanham are consistent at it
Thanks for the spoiler free video length :)