[WayV-ehind] Rainbow V - TEN X WINWIN
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 เม.ย. 2019
- [Rainbow V] TEN X WINWIN Choreography : lovely (Billie Eilish, Khalid) (ring and portrait remix)
• [Rainbow V] TEN X WINW...
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ten: i wanted to tell more good points about you, but it was so hard to say it in chinese
*don't touch me, i'm soft*
Winwin praising Ten for doing most of the choreography while Ten appreciates the way Winwin provides his ideas as well.
Don't touch me I'm emotional I love them both so much 😭
Same 😭
omg they r so soft. my heart melted😭💌
Me too 💕😭
Me too😻
ten w other members: /constant roasting/
ten w sicheng: "he's thoughtful and warm and has lots of good ideas and wait i'm not done complimenting him"
PERIODT THO??? i just noticed this even now it's still the same
Also Ten with Yangyang "he is a baby"
@@hebe22 ten still roasts yangyang lmaoo
@@notoriousalien Ten is always roasting everybody 😂 roasting with love 😂😂😂
1k 😼
Me: WinWin is a baby
WinWin: *stands beside Ten*
Me: WinWin is so manly.
People always forget that Winwin is almost 6ft. He looks so tall in WayV now compared to 127 since most of the WayV members are shorties.
Yassss
His gray outfit made him look buffy. But seriously this made him so manly I barely recognized him. Also the scenes where he grabbed Ten by the neck and hold him at the end made me question for a second who is older. And I must say Winwin and his expressions are dangerous😍😱.
@@hiddendream2809 if he looked at me like that, my soul would leave my body. That was an intense smolder.
*vigorously fans myself*
@@minyoongisaegyoinfiresme5277 hahahahaha. Plus he is also initiating skinship with Ten. I died there
Winwin's "Hi! 😬 I'm the bad person!" was the cutest thing in the world
Ikr! Lol I uwued so hard
that reached my jungwoo level of uwu
The cutest bad person ever
Sure he is
That cutie
my husband! Mr.Dong
The way Ten always gets flustered or shy when people compliment him, he is so precious 😭
He is so humble. We don't deserve him😭
He is so beautiful, i cried😭😭😭😭😭
His ears went a bit red haha
when it comes to sicheng he melts i cry
from "you, me, run, together" to understanding each others soul i'm literally in tears
Oh my god I didnt realize 😩😩😩 ugh
😭😭😭
they came such a long way together✊🏼
whats this a reference to?
@@user-sk3ql4yg5s
A vlive, not sure which one but here is a link with the clip, skip to 1:40 th-cam.com/video/-ca0Oz3d1Sw/w-d-xo.html
Ten: Modern dance
Winwin: Yes, xiandai wudao
Ten: Right, modern dance
I cracked up a little at that
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao Ten just loves English so much
Ten: *you talk a lot*
Ever since WayV has debuted, Winwin seemed to be more free and confident. I love how he expresses his thoughts with his native language.
Note: Omg this is the first time i've got so many likes. huhuhuhu thank u guys 😭😘
everyday green tea and happy too😭😭😭
everyday green tea Sameee😭💛💛💛
Sameeeeee
I'm so happy for him too
Sicheng: I represent the bad person.
also Sicheng: ʰᶦ ᶦᵐ ᵗʰᵉ ᵇᵃᵈ ᵖᵉʳˢᵒⁿ ✌🏻😊
ikr that was so cute
that was the cutest thing I ever seen uwu ♡
i uwu-ed so hard
M sorry winwin, I laugh out loud..
This is the comment I was looking for! He's such s cutie
Ten will always be like
Someone: He did all this.
Ten: No, we all did it together.
Someone: You are so good at this.
Ten: No. I'm still learning.
Someone: You have improved a lot.
Ten: I'm still trying.
Someone: Your vocal is amazing.
Ten: no. I'm still practising a lot.
He's so humble. So beautiful inside and out. He deserves the world.
I could't agree more!
Yes, he is.
That's why more and more I love him so much.
Ten's so humble.
I love him so much
he is such a beautiful person in and out
Yes, he is. Thats why we all love him so much 😊
Winwin and Ten : BALANCE
Yixing : Hold up kids, I'm on my way
underrated comment i see here
THIS COMMENT NEED MORE LIKES
I was looking for this comment
I was searching for this
I thought that probably them repeating "BALANCE" looking at each other was because they got reminded of Lay 😅
Please I'm badly want to see WayV with Yixing so much 😩
I've never seen Winwin talk so much in my life!!! His friendship with Ten is so cute and seems to give him more confidence i'm----
It's really good to see Win Win being more confident. Well, he should be aware that he's capable of doing lots of thing.
Yes!! I love their friendship!! ❤
I love his interactions with WayV. He seems more confident and free being back in China. He is flourishing. I'm happy for him.
My second bias was Yuta and now is Ten (sorry Yuta) 😂😂😂 oh my heart is badam badam so hard while they were talking
And he is comfortable with Ten doing skins hip unlike with Taeil. Ten doesn't do much which I think Winwin appreciate. I laughed my ass off when Winwin asked why he backed off😂🤩
when Winwin said that mostly all the choreography was made by Ten and Ten immediately shook his head and said "No no no! we both gave our ideas and made it together" pls tenwin are the cutest besties
iKON is iKONIC thats why it’s called rainbow V ;)
Ten can speak so many different languages and dances like a freakin God.
And draw like an artist, Sing like an angel and be perfect♡
@@shira6309 he's freakin perfect in every aspect.
TEN IS THE STANDARD Y'ALL-
Their relationship is so cute. Winwin seems to be so relaxing around Ten. Never seen him being this touchy-feely before but how he touches Ten looks natural and I don’t mean it sexually. They must become so close working together.
rightt? before this vid, it feels like winwin doesn't like skinship (?) even it was a coreo. wait what, it's not skinship. HOW TO SAY THAT. i mean winwin looks so hapyy and not feel uncomfortable
THE WAY WINWIN CAN TRANSLATE ENGLISH SO QUICKLY WITHOUT HAVING TO THINK ABOUT IT. pull thru with the multilingual skills!!!
yes, i'm so proud of him! he improved so much in english! and i loved how Ten just dropped there english words, it always reminds me of Lucas 😂😂
@@bogik.3047 APPRECIATE 👏
YES finally someone talking bout it !! He's improved a lot in English and I'm so proud of him, he can speak wenzhou, Korean, mandarin and English..
multilingual king indeed!
disproving his iconic quote: I can speak 5 languages but I don’t speak any of the 5 well”
Neo got my crack wait what exactly is wenzhou
I like how confident a talkative WinWin is around Ten, WinWin is actually a very thoughtful and deep person but he couldn't showcase that side of himself in NCT much because he had difficulty with the language.
I'm so happy to see him back in China where he feels comfortable expressing himself more. It's such a wonderful thing to see.
Wait so you are saying that winwin is Chinese and was in NCT 127?
@@sanamaharaj9107 yes
@@sanamaharaj9107 winwin : nct 127, nct u, & wayv
@@sanamaharaj9107 He was in NCT 127 but he back to China For WayV since the beginning of 2019 with Kun, Lucas, Ten and 3 new members (Hendery, Xiao Jun and Yang Yang)
I'm crying... Especially when Ten said that Winwin is such a warm-hearted person
They adore and love each other so much and it's beautiful
I also like the moment from filming they showed after those words, how Winwin basically was bending and breaking little piece of that branch cause Ten probably kept bumping into it and it was hurting him
i think sicheng and ten make the best pairing because they’ve been together since the beginning in nct so they’re clearly comfortable together but more than that they both had to face the struggle of being foreigners in the korean music industry so they constantly support each other and teach each other new things, for example winwin helps ten with his chinese but simultaneously you can tell that winwin’s english has improved so much. moreover, sicheng is a quieter person than most but ten helps to bring out winwin’s character and encourage him to talk more and to be himself. ten and winwin are truly the perfect pairing, in my opinion. i’m so proud of how far these boys have come ❤️
winwin was so happy and giggly when ten said all those things about him :( i feel like winwin admires ten so much as an artist and hearing ten say he actually learnt from him must have made him feel so proud.. i love these two ♡
please he's so cute T__T i love them so much T___T
I believe when Ten ask about 'modern' winwin whisper in korean language😂😂 miss them in korean conversation😭😭
*Im Your 127th Like* 😏
@@asha.tavreads luv u darl💚😘
Me too 😭
Winwin speaks Korean is the cutest thing I've ever heard 😭
Yea i think the same
@@sela7632 💚💚
The fact that they created all of this themselves is incredible. Learning why they chose those outfits made it even more meaningful. They created a piece of art that will stay with a lot of people for a long time. I'm not a dance expert but I can't believe this is their first time doing modern dance. Ten's mastery goes without saying but this style of dance looked like WinWin's territory and he completely owns it. His force and grace, along with his emotions, was all art. I hope we get to see more of this from them.
5:14-5:22 made me so soft, they are so genuine and kind and wonderful 😔❤
yes yes yes
Ten had a back and leg surgery. He was hospitalized for months two years ago. He can't do back flips like he used to do before his surgery. So I do get it if he fell behind
Ten could really be a good leader or a trainer. He bring out the best in people. Im so happy to see Winwin shining like this. He is confidently talking and sharing his ideas. Im so excited to see you improve as time passes! Jaiyou Wayv!!! 💚
I think he would've been Baekhyun type of leader, nobody seriously take an idea of him being a leader but then he's actually a leader and suddenly everybody realise how caring he about his members, how he cheer them up, lighten their mood and trying to help them in what they do, stuff like that
Summary of this vid:
Winwin: "Ten did everything"
Ten: "No, we did it together"
Baako Jernigan lol 😂 that is literally the whole video
Theyre truely love each other im almost cry TvT
I am: soft
lilou Leeloo same..（≧∇≦）(´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀)
@@azaar4470 same
tenwin first friend for each other, talking in body language now they're finally in an unit together i'm emotional don't touch me their friendship are the cutest thing ever
Ten is so kind im crying
Already felt their bond when they were on VLIVE together, WinWin was so talkative with Ten around, saying Ten was his first friend when he came in Korea and they had many dates in Seoul together. But seeing their friendship becoming this strong after being in WayV, definitely prove me Ten is a precious friend for WinWin. 💚
Okay but so proud of Ten for learning so much Chinese in between practice and schedules
this user loves EXO Also causes him to malfunction in 90000000 different languages in his head 😂
Me too I feel like he improved so much 😩😩
I can’t even speak English properly and it’s my first language yet he can speak 5
@@olivia-xp1kp MOOD
TEN SPEAKING CHINESE IS SO CUTE. As a Chinese person, I can swear that his PRONOUNCIATION is so on point. I can understand him without subtitles
My brain tells me that Ten’s pronunciation in Chinese is better than his pronunciation in Korean every time Ten speaks Chinese kkk
He kind of does sound like a baby and really cute in Korean but I don't really know much about Chinese but I guess it's kind of the same? :')
Ten has the great advantage of already knowing a tonal language, namely Thai. I think Chinese pronunciation is much harder if you don't have a background with tonal languages.
dhgemein2 what other languages are tonal languages??
@@Sasha-dg1sk thai and vietnamese for example are also tonal languages...
It's so sweet to see WinWin help and correct Ten's Chinese. He understands EXACTLY how it feels to struggle to express yourself so he knows just the right way to be encouraging 😍😭😍😭
5:50 is the cutest moment
Ten: it's embarrassing but when we danced together I realized he is very warm hearted person
Winwin: cute smile with fingers on eye emoji
Ten: really.. really...
i love the fact that winwin is always talking about how amazing ten is and how he learns from him and ten gets shy. then ten says he is comfortable with winwin and tells he learns from him too and they always talk about how good each other is and they get so shy to have compliments its so cute.. but they need to understand that they are both so powerful and they need to have more confidence 💚💚
When Ten said balance my mind immediately went to Yixing, we love dancing kings
Nazarene So sameee 😂
Samee 😂
it reminded me of johnny's answer on twitter sjadhgkashf xD
Same here😂
Maybe Ten learning from Yixing too, so he know that word :D
Ten is just so damn charming and just has that smile, and I'm just over here like
*sir, that is uncalled for. I did not come here to be emotionally attacked like this*
Ten really has a lot of talent. It shows through this project. The dance is so beautiful it's not only just a dance anymore but a piece of art. And even though most of the choreography was made by Ten, I think Winwin has potential to keep growing with the way he synchronized with Ten. I love to hear him speak his thoughts. It's a pity he can't promote with 127 but I can see that being in WayV does great things for him.
I’m chinese and tbh I’m so proud of Ten’s mandarin . The phrases he uses are not those common Everyday ones ... and to think that he knows so many other language is just amazing.
Is he Chinese or Thai?
@@mimimira5412 he's thai
@@mimimira5412 his nationality is thai but he is ethnically chinese ^__^
That's your opinion so kindly and show be yourself. Learning the other languages is so difficult for whoever not native speaker but Ten try to do the best. 谢谢你。我是泰国人。
In Thai peaple have a lot of mixed ethnically , Mostly is Chinese because Chinese over the sea everywhere then I have ethnically chinese a little bit too.
Ten: "I think you will like our choreography video"
Winwin: "I hope you like it".
YES!! YES!! I like it !! 💚🌱💚🌱💚🌱💚🌱💚🌱💚🌱
the way winwin said he felt free and didn't feel stressed means so much to me
Ten is incredibly talented in everything from singing to choreography and Winwin really shined in this with him, hope to see more collaborations between them
winwin: you're amazing
ten: no you're amazing
winwin: no yoU'RE AMAZING
ten: NO YOU'RE AMAZING
goals
Winwin: nO BITCH U ARE SO AMAZING BLESS ME
@@ingrid6962 imsorryillleavenow
And then they're amazing, i'm so proud of them
i've never read a more accurate sentence👁👄👁
*"what does "modern" mean?"*
**Whispers in Ten's ear"*
*"Okay, MODERN DANCE!"*
They can't speak korean on air. So he whispered
Why do I feel like he told him in Korean😂
@@Flowergirl20 same
@@lisalalisa3068 why can't they speak Korean on air?
Lol 😂
i realized that winwin really likes being with ten.. *really* happy REALLY happy with ten
it makes me so happy:’) he seems so professional
The way ten shake his head when winwin said that ten create that choreography. I stan a humble king
winwin: i'm happy to be with ten
winwin:
winwin:
no one:
winwin: oh and did i mention i'm very happy to be here with ten yet?
Kathy Kane 💀💀💀
This video in a nutshell
Yuta is crying in the corner
@@exitless rip yuwin xD
@@exitless taeil joined him 🤣
Ten's mandarin is improving so much but also sicheng seems to be learning quite a bit in english ?? like anything ten says in english he seems to fully understand and is able to translate. i just love them sm their chemistry is undeniable
Win Win had promised Ten to be able speaking English within next year though...
@@joischant That is crazy. These people are amazing.
@@joischant when did he say that
@@alyssahenderson8171 in one of the NCT vlive. Mostly cup of coffee by ten in NCT channel
the way winwin sees ten is the exact way I see him like he is so comfortable with himself n just sooooooooooooo free that's the type of vibes he gives off like a person can relax around him n forget all their worries im not an nctzen but I think this thing about ten is what attracted him to me the most im slowly starting to become nctzen .He has such a relaxing personality
the fact they literally came up with a whole choreography by themselves is amazing- But I'm not really surprised they're both so talented dancers AND singers
0:12 a Chinese boy using Korean to translate Chinese words to a Thai boy and the Thai boy interpreting it in English
Oooooof
I thought i was the only one thinking about this lol
Woo~
Another pinocchio BIG FACTS LOL 😂
Cute! 😁
Only in NCT 😂
When Winwin said he very happy to be with Ten Ten's ears is so red =///=
Im crying their so cute 😭
127members gonna cry😂😂😂😂
I just noticed that his ears is red lol 😂
Ten and Winwin, a few years have passed but I keep playing back the performance. In my opinion, it's one of the most beautiful and emotional dances by a duo out there. Please do more together :)
the way they're so sweet to each other when they both roast everyone else :((
mayhaps i will cry
I love how Ten is speaking Chinese and randomly drops English words, it sounds so funny😂
But speaking 4 languages, I relate to this 😂
i see the vision I mean that's how Chinese people talk sometimes, sometimes we can't think off we don't know any Chinese word for it, so we say English in a Chinese accent to help the person understand 😂
I’m bilingual and I use English and Spanish in the same sentence often bc sometimes I forget words lol but you’re right it must be hard for 4 languages
For really?? Wat languages do u speak
In our contry we speak sometimes the arabic with french and english in the same phrase. Soo it's okay 😂😂
Cool! I can only speak two ㅠㅠ
Ten and Winwin: We had balance.
Lay: Very Good!
YES
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
YES, I THOUGHT THE SAME
Johnny likes this comment
OMG LMAO
Hearing who did what makes that piece even more extraordinary. Technically, Winwin is a top graduate from one of the best dance schools in the world and as he said some of the dance he learned had similarities to contemporary dance. But Ten doesn't have this background at all, and yet it sounds like in large part the ideas and moves came from him. It's remarkable to hear that they picked everything from their outfits to the set props. I kind of assumed someone else had done the choreography and a whole team had designed the set for them.
3:21 something is telling me that Winwin wanted to hold Ten’s hand but then he remembered they’re on camera so he played it off by switching which hand was holding the mic
Real smooth Sicheng, real smooth 👏🏽
winwin: i'm the bad person
also winwin: *hi* cutely and smiles sweetly
Winwin keep trying admiring Ten and Ten keep saying that they were doing it together. I feel so proud to be your lovely fan :) and so very thank you to the WayV’s Crew!!!!!
2:07
winwin: i represent the bad person
also winwin: cutely saying hi
너무...아름다움 그냥
tenwin is superior, breathe if you agree
I'm breathing my lungs out. lol
I STARTED BREATHING HARDER
phat breath
Breathes harder
*bReaThIng iNteNsiFieS*
WinWin talking about how Ten really helped him break free and loosen up....
😭😭😭 💛💛
OMGG AWWWWW
Thanks god for making these lovely creatures
The way ten speak mandarin is so adorable 🥰
ten giggling after sicheng complimented him made my heart melt :(
rare moment of ten gay panic
Every words from Winwin talking about Ten. I believed all my heart he means it!! Winwin loves Ten and respect Ten so much!! Everything saying not just words but the way he looks at Ten.
maybe he's in love with him ? 💞 wouldn't bother me lol
@@iam1toughact2follow60 Euh!!! et Yuta, dans l'affaire?
@@euphoria7424 ???
@@iam1toughact2follow60 And why not?
@@euphoria7424 what did you even say ?
Imagining putting Ten and Lucas together, the humble one vs the overly confident one.
ten has incredible language machine wow
Ten is so kind and always gives the people he collaborates with the credit they deserve, he makes sure everyone shines ❤
Ten's shy laugh at 3:46 after Winwin's praise is the most precious thing ever!
gurrlll, i couldn't agree more😭😭😭💖
my heart- Ten is such a cutie
First time i see this video my heart so sad and i'm crying,very touching.now you are always in my mind Ten
Winwin pays Ten the highest compliment, that their experience together has helped him develop as a person and performer. Winwin is also a humble king. I love their friendship.
Winwin: "As you can see, I'm the bad person"
And then he says "hi" in the cutest way possible.
ok so like ten savage side disappears when he's with winwin😂he becomes a total softie
it's because winwin is too soft uwu how can anyone be savage with him
Win Win is the only survivor (from Ten) in both groups. 🤣
actually in their old videos while the other members babying Winwin, Ten is the only one who savage and not babied him tho 😂 Ten can be both savage and soft, funny yet so thoughtful this is why I love him so much 💙
Ten speak in korean english and chinese and all of that are not his first language
it must be hard at some point when he want to say a lot more and deeper stuffs, he is so amazing!
All the foreigners members are so talented and amazing for this!
the way sicheng touches his shirt when he says costumes and uses his hands while talking, along with speaking slower and enunciating more so it's easier for ten to understand,,,,, bro IM CRYING THIS IS THE BEST DUO THEY LOVE EACH OTHER SO MUCH
You're telling me that they don't have any experience in modern dance but they made a dance like that??! What did I do wrong with my life...XD
They are sooooo talented. I am sooooo jeaous.
@@devilinlove08 right?? I've started modern dance at 4 years old, now I'm 20 and I still don't have that level lol. I'm not jealous but I think there really is people born with more abilities than other!
Well win learnt Chinese dance. Thats really hard too
@@goingcrazy2002 Of course it's hard! Every type of dance is hard in its own way. Even if Chinese dance and modern dance have similarities, the feeling is completely different! So of course I want to compliment their natural abilities + their hard work~
Things I noticed...Winwin has been studying English diligently... Winwin & Ten are extremely humble....Winwin mentioning about the various "Interpretations" fans will have of their performance....and he's right..
***RAINBOW V brought them even closer
Ten covering his ear when Winwin complimenting him and it turns red, omg, these two is so lovely...
Wait they did everything? This whole masterpiece? Holy shit
Yes, they did!
literally the cutest friendship ever 💜💜 I can't even count how many times winwin said he is happy whenever he's with ten.
*not exaggerating but i watch that performance video at least once a day*
edit : okay I lied I WATCHED THE VIDEO 127 + 10 + 5 + 7 + 6 + 21 TIMES A DAY
not exaggerating but same
Same
me too sometimes i dont realize that its been like an hour on repeat. no joke. its so good
Me too
You are not alone
Look at how happy winwin looks.
They’re both so beautiful what the hell 🥴
the way ten mentioned the staffs, the director, boy you're too precious
Ten is so talented and humble and handsome and funny, I just love him so much and he deserves everything 😔💚
TEN has the most beautiful smile and angelic heart.
2:08 "i represent the bad person" *immediately cuts to winwin being smol and baby* 😂
2:58
Ten:we have 2 keep the *balance* of dis part
Lay: *balance* *balance* *balance* *balance* *BALANCE*
I was waiting for this comment alsjjsjs
my favorite comment yES
Danidecipriano 😂😂...when ten or someone said *balance* its always remind me of lay😂😂
SM FAMILY SHIT LOL
lol:v
TEN’s choreography ability is really amazing, really a real artist.💞
yall sicheng must be given the chance to talk more, this boy is so smart and has such a deep understanding for things, but i feel like he still feels kind of a barrier when he has to speak in korean (even though he is getting much more confident with the years), and ten's mandarin is also so good, im speehless, i stan intellectuals ,
Im so glad winwin feels so comfortable with ten :')
Ten is sooooooo pure and humble wtfffff. Such a pure beautiful person, inside and out. And I am soooooo proud of Sicheng for breaking free from his shell and being more confident with himself. I see SOOO much growth, in both of you. It's so beautiful ten was the first friend winwin had and now they are besties. I'm so happy and proud!!! of BOTH OF YOU
imagine TEN and WINWIN being NCT U in a comeback, just them like taeyong and ten did before
A kinkier baby don't stop type song would be gREAT. I'm still waiting on my Yuta and Ten duet tho.
@@daphnedaphn3 yuta and ten collab sounds great omg
@@heenim they've always been great dance partners since smrookies and I need more people to knooow
but sorry guys, taeten are still the best duo in nct for me, they are just perfect on/off stage & camera
@@florasafiraazzahra9767 I love these two. Wishing they could collaborate again.
omg so hard working in learning chinese and winwin helping make little corrections in a supportive way
i miss this duo so much... it was so nice seeing them create art together and also winwin helping ten with his chinese
You can really tell how much effort Ten puts into answering in Chinese. Proud of him :)
CAN WE ALL JUST- pay attention to the fact that Winwin actually touches Ten's shoulder and that he didn't push Ten away when he touches him LIKE EJDJSJS WINWIN IS LITERALLY WHIPPED FOR TEN
Min Jimin
HE’S WHIPPED
i noticed that ! it was quite surprising to see winwin actually accepts (and starts) skiknship like wow
They started this choreography from zero by themselves , setup , moves , outfit and story ...wow
im a new nct fan i HAVE to say there's so much to learn from them like I've learned stuff from nct ( specifically Ten ) that no one ever else taught me or even I myself realised