I know I've said this in the past about the dink fam but I think now is a good time to reiterate it... I'm so incredibly proud of these comments. I appreciate how there's not trash in here, it's a place for people to voice different opinions with respectful criticism (of us and/or each other) and I just want to stress how proud I am of the environment in here and wanted to also thank all of you for actively contributing to the discussion whether you agree with what we said or not. So thanks for that, dink dink, I respect all of your thoughts opinions, i care, and you guys are a wonderful group of free thinking adults.
JennaMarbles Love this video. Btw, I'm with you on the conspiracy theory. I am all about some conspiracy theories. I teach history and government, so I try to add a few in every now and then to my students. Brings up great discussions.
do you think you're gonna do a follow up podcast/video addressing the counterpoints people brought up? obviously you don't have to but i'm seeing a lot of interesting discourse going on in the comments and it would be very nice to see your responses.
It really just shows that things don't have consequences anymore, but instead have rewards for pretty much any bad behavior. I am 100% not for how WSJ showed Felix in the video,however they only even brought it up because alt-right/neo-nazi people were using Felix as someone who is with their cause. Felix could have avoided this whole situation don't post things that can be used against you. I get that he is not hateful or anything but you literally don't put up stuff like that, and just claim it is a mistake/joke or how ever you want to spin it because all it does is let other people follow suit. It makes the jokes you say also come off as a normal thing. If his joke was saying the N-word and people are only flocking to support him because it was a joke and he is really a nice person guess what more people are going to start saying and get way with. Maybe if Felix you know started with this type of stuff from the beginning it wouldn't have been much of an issue, but he started with playing video games. If uno started putting the same crazy shit that cards against humanity put you bet their would be an out cry too.
I was sort of disappointed that you guys sided so strongly with PDP. I understand that you had a similar experience with GMA a while back which colored how you feel about traditional media. While I get the whole traditional media vs TH-camrs, PDP has so much fame and influence that he needs to reflect with more maturity on the messages he's sending out in his vids. I feel badly that he was so skewered this week. I don't think he's a bad guy.
I hope all these people/sources shitting on PewDiePie are disgusted by South Park, Family Guy, The Simpsons, American Dad, Futurama and just about any stand-up comedian with a dark twist.
They are all hypocrites, of course they can't apply inhuman standards on themselves. One of the three main journalists on WSJ, writing the hitpiece, has a South Park-character as his avatar on Twitter. These "journalists" are desperate, they have literally nothing to lose but Felix has everything.
Riely Nugent but when does a joke go too far ? I can joke with the best of them.... don't get me wrong. But sometimes people hide real prejudices by joking... I don't think he was doing this in this situation but it happens all the time.
Lay Ariel Then they are probably open about their views. They are the people we should be worried about. But when they clearly are just making jokes wr shouldn't be worried or be against them.
Riely Nugent I think that nature of our political climate currently is why this is blown up so big... there have been sweeping anti Semitic messages across the nation since the election. People are scared, the timing was just way off.
The part in the middle where Jenna touched on politicians trying to gain access to the followings of bigger TH-camrs was thought provoking. If you made a whole podcast focusing specifically on that topic or maybe on your opinions on brand endorsements, promotional campaigns, etc that would be really interesting. Really enjoyed this week's podcast!
Arianna G Yes! This part was incredibly eye-catching/interesting to me. I can't believe I had never even considered that it may be a possibility before.
Right I haven't watched the video yet, and I just want to say: I'm a Jewish Russian kid. My family was actually affected by Nazis, as many millions of others in the world. The WSJ does not get the right to disrespect our past and the deaths of our family members by calling PewDiePie, of all people, a fucking Nazi.
Family Guy, South Park, American Dad, those are just a few shows that make jokes like this every single week, and no one minds. Pewdiepie makes a few jokes in retaliation towards the media for taking his jokes 100% out of context, and people lose their shit. His jokes were to "a", see how far people would go, and "b", to mock the media. WSJ's job is to report the news, not to fabricate articles, clips, and pictures, to convince people someone is a nazi when they absolutely are not. We should be focused on the real nazis that are currently trying to let their presence be known, not a TH-camr making a joke in response to how the media wrongly portrays him.
amberk1123 uh those shows get in trouble as well. They either get episodes banned, loose sponsors, hell family guy and South Park have been cancelled before. So that argument that no one minds, is bs. And I actually love those shows, mostly American dad and South Park, but please find another argument because those shows have in fact faced consequences because of its humor or social commentary.
Taylor jay I absolutely adore those shows too, I've just never witnessed them be hated or attacked to the degree Pewdiepie is currently. My point wasn't meant to bash those shows, I was just wondering why WSJ hasn't gone after them, if this humor makes you a nazi-sympathizer. Again, I could be completely wrong, as I've never personally seen those shows attacked to this degree.
amberk1123 I'm guessing you're not that old then. I'm 22 and i remember being a kid and seeing family guy and South Park in the news for it's crude humor and commentary. I'm pretty sure South Park has been cancelled twice and I think family guy three times, I could be wrong about how many but they have been at least once, that I'm certain of. I'm not saying what the media is doing is right but these shows have faced consequences.
Taylor jay I am 30, but do not see how that is relevant. I said I "personally" have never witnessed them being attacked to this degree, and fully admitted that I could indeed be wrong on that. If that's the case, then it was a poor comparison on my part. I know that they do receive hate and face consequences for their writing, however, to me at least, it always blows over quite quickly. Absolutely not trying to argue, as you've made great points, I just haven't witnessed it personally.
amberk1123 only mentioned your age because it would sort of explain how you wouldn't know but then again I have to remember not every single person watches the same thing at the same time. Only reason you're not seeing them being shamed today is because all of that was done years ago, when there was no twitter or Facebook and people have now learned that it's just how those shows work. Thats their version of comedy and commentary, so they get left alone cause they've faced all the hate already.
Coming from a person who isn't subscribed to PewDiePie purely because his content doesn't particularly interest me, it is so fucking *REFRESHING* to hear you two, especially Jenna, talk about this subject. Your opinions, which have a right to be biased, are so honest and true and it gives so much insight into a subject which is very important, not just for the youtube creators, but the whole "internet generation" of this day and age. *FUCKING DINK* #SAVEPEWDIEPIE #SAVEFELIX
I adore how passionate and well spoken Jenna is on this topic, it really shows her heart and intelligence. Both Jenna and Julien make better arguments and commentary than 'actual' media outlets.
I'm Jewish, I'm neutral on him in general, and I appreciate that he apologized. If Felix hadn't apologized I'd have been very upset. A joke is a joke, yes- but someone who has influence over others CAN normalize hatred; especially a younger more impressionable crowd. The media has gone way too far with this, and they'll do anything for a click-baity article. This slandering is awful, and this black/white way of thinking continues to be perpetuated, and everyone continues to get more and more enraged. This cycle is exhausting.
Im sorry to say that I always ignored Jenna, thinking she is a youtuber that may not be interesting to me, just because she seemed girly, but listening to the passion in her voice i realize how wrong I was. Great defense of the community Jenna. God Bless
Yeah, Jenna Julien thank you so much for this podcast! I'm a parent of a 12-yr-old and I know kids her age watch Pewds, I also know it is MY JOB as a parent to watch it first and decide what's age-appropriate for her to watch, and what isn't. It's MY JOB to teach her digital literacy and explain dark humor and satire and trolls, etc. People trying to "save" the 13-18 audience by screaming "Wat aboot the childrennnnnn??!" are ridiculous. BTW Jenna your videos have swears and adult references but again, parents teaching digital literacy helps kids navigate your world safely. As my child gets older and wiser, and more savvy, she gets to watch more of your content, it's that simple. Until then I get to enjoy the full extent of your snark and fuckery. It's a win-win situation 😜
roseizer it's really disheartening. She's allowed to have a different opinion but what she tweeted out is just wrong on a factual standpoint. She just read the article without question. Sad.
And of all the articles using "Pewdiepie" to get clicks, the one she chose was one of the most ridiculous. I was surprised she fell for it. I mean, it could have been written by Rita Skeeter herself by comparison.
I don't even enjoy Pewds's content and I could tell from a mile away that the accusations against him were bullshit. Plus, I saw the video in question, and yeah the joke was a bit risky, but it was also really funny.
Jenna.. its so refreshing hearing your thoughts, and having a voice that can help me put into words what I'm thinking. You're not alone, you're not crazy, and we appreciate you. ❤ dink fam
Pewdiepie is such a lovely guy. He just gets dragged into these mess due to his income as thats the only thing main stream media focuses on . They feel inferior due to the money TH-camrs make.
Agree :/ I've been following Poods for a long time and it's sad how much his name gets dragged into the mud just because he's number 1. Im personally happy that he is the "representative" of TH-cam. Imagine what kind of person could've been number 1 but its Felix,good person who means well. #Istandwithpewdiepie
I don't think everyone who's upset about what this person did is just mad that he has money. I don't know him or follow his content but from what I understand he's done similar things to this in the past which is honestly just ridiculous and stupid on his part especially considering the political climate around the world right now. If he thinks it's funny that's fine he has every right to and he has every right to post that content but at the same time, people have a right to be mad. Him getting dropped by Maker and losing money is all on him. Just because he has the right to do stupid shit doesn't mean he doesn't have to face consequences.
I've noticed this very many times in the past. I'm not sure if it's a defense mechanism and she's unaware of it or if she just thinks that 'accent' is funny to use. Just thinking outloud here.
As a jew, I wasn't offended at all. I can see the difference between satire and serious anti-semitism and would rather use my time being offended by something that is actual, legitimate hate speech instead of a joke (that was admittedly in poor taste) that has been twisted out of both proportion and context by the media. Just my opinion 😊
Thegabster82 Actually, I'm British. My great grandfather died in the holocaust, as did his parents and his siblings whilst my great grandmother fled with her family as she was pregnant with my grandma. The fact of the matter is that what Felix did was a joke, it may have been in bad taste but most jokes are. There are people out there who truly do want all Jews to die and as such I don't want to sit there being annoyed at an idiotic joke when there are much more significant things like that to be annoyed about. An example of this is the Jewish Cemetery that was vandalised and from what I can see, more people were annoyed at Felix for what he did than the vandalism...
Thegabster82 Well a joke is what it was, many of the jokes nowadays are either in bad taste or dark. Maybe if he goes and vandalises a cemetery or joins the Racial Volunteer Force (An extremely violent Neo-Nazi party present in Britain) then I'll get annoyed but I understand & respect your view on the matter as we're all entitled to our own opinions ☺️
It was a pretty crap joke... And I think it was blown way out of proportion! However, in a weird way I'm glad that it was because I don't think he's going to make as many Nazi jokes anymore. I actually really hated when he made the jokes because it always made me think about the Holocaust.
Remember when JK Rowling was gonna write about American wizards and how ingrained it was in Native American people's culture?? Um, the Native and Indigenous people have experienced genocide long before Jewish people ever did. You know archaeologist still find their bones all over the country. She seemed to conveniently forget that it was the people from her country who actually committed those heinous crimes. I understand the offense for the Jewish community, I do I remember being very surprised that he would think that was funny. But my brother did. Some people find stupid crap funny. We can't always walk on eggshells when it comes to the Jewish community and a past hurt. If that was true, every one would be for #blacklivesmatter.
+Maple Tree If you say that people who are not affected personally by the joke shouldn't be able to say that it was okay, then those unaffected people should not be able to condemn the joke either. While I do think the joke is wrong, I believe that most people can understand the seriousness and horror of the holocaust enough to make an informed decision about the joke even if they were not personally affected.
Okay, first and foremost, South Park literally does more offensive things every week since 1990 and no one, literally no one, is calling the creators of south park racist or a fucking nazi even though there was an episode where Cartman literally dressed as hitler and said he hated jews. Calling Felix a fucking terrorist is absolutely disgusting and they're arbitrarily making money of a hate article to someone they dont even watch. Like this has nothing to do with his jokes or anything. At this point it's the media trying to control the younger generations point of view, in order to gain views on THEIR posts.
Alexandra Marie at this point,I think they just hate TH-cam and wanna see this platform fail edit: I just actually finished the podcast and realize that was part of Jenna's theory,which I completely agree with. It makes a lot of sense
He does not talk about politics(except to make fun of it), but the viewpoints of how he looks at life in a general sense are liberal. He is an Atheist. He cares about people a lot (he has raised so much money for charity, especially to "charity: water"). He does not discriminate against anybody and seems to believe in higher personal freedom and individuality. The more you see Pewd's real self on his channel (which is pretty rare since his job on there is to entertain and his real self comes out when he's being serious), you just get a real sense that he leans more to the left in his views. Also, he has talked about disliking Trump many times, and you really can't be "Alt-Right" and dislike Trump from what I've seen online.
I forgot to mention that Felix lives in Brighton, the Gay Capital of Britain (as he called in one video). He was talking about getting kicked out of his apartment that they used for an office in a video earlier in 2016 and how the landlord used a slur calling him a fa**ot (if I recall) and Felix got pretty angry about him using that, not because he somebody called him gay but because he does not condone using slurs against gay people. That video in itself shows his liberal side.
He's swedish and they are in general pretty liberal. He has said that we was in support for the british remain rather than brexit, and he is friends with h3h3 who are jewish. This whole thing makes no sense, he even said himself he expected this more from The Sun (right wing uk newspaper)
I'm so happy that you side with Felix, all TH-camrs SHOULD... this attack could start trying to silence anyone. I watched Jacksepticeye basically go against him and they are suppose to be good friends. I feel like he's too scared to disagree with his fans who the majority are tumblr kids who need 'safe spaces'. It's a relief how open you guys should your support for him, and I love that you guys believe in 'free speech' basically and that if someone is offended by something they have that right, but jokes are jokes. I hate that people can't even make jokes about women now without being looked at as sexiest. RIP comedy
Natasha Brown jack never sided with the media. He just expressed that the joke weren't the best choises and that he would never do them himself but he does support felix
Natasha Brown Sean's video was definitely confusing and I left the video feeling like he doesn't support Felix. I knows he's gone on twitter and said he regrets making that video and that he has apologized to Felix. It just felt not very well thought out.
That's like Markipliers dramatic "Respect" video. It's so eye-roll inducing but then again, Mark and Sean are still with Maker so I doubt they want to speak out against them.
Yes he did Vanessa. He VERY strongly condemned what Felix did as stupid and wrong. It was a very moralizing and judgemental video and very saddening to see.
he also said he still stand with felix and that you can be friends with somebody and not agree with everything they do. I'm laughing so hard at all of the people trying to throw hate on jack and mark.
I cancelled my TH-camRed subscription in support of PewDiePie. I won't support the company as a whole if they are going to censor content this way. I'm a 28 year old mother with a corporate job with a Fortune 500 company that LOVES PewDiePie and his content. Tell me how he caters to prepubescent gamer bros!? Felix is a pioneer of the online content community and needs to be recognized as such.
I'm a bit older than most of the TH-camr generation. I payed attention to this because my daughter loved pewdiepie. So much so that my son's middle name is Felix because her and her sister got to pick his middle name. Anyway this situation is so freaking ridiculous! He was making a funny video about how people will do crazy things to make a few bucks! That was the whole point that people will do anything for a quick buck. He apologized for it which is more that Trump did! I'm almost 40 and find that this is a bunch of bull shit and I stand with him!
lol TH-cam obviously wants Lilly Singh to be the top dog because she will play ball. I love how Pewds even pointed that out several times in his videos.
Even Pews already said this in one of his videos that criticises YT, that them wants some one like Lilly (mention specific her name) on the top. The motives is clear... I like Lilly and her videos, I truly do, but I can assemble that line of thought!
every week you hear about a youtuber raising hundred of thousand of dollars for charity, i would like to know how much this "journalist" have contributed
I've got to get out of these comments. Half of the people that are genuinely upset about what Felix did, didn't actually watch any of his videos. Including the original fiverr video or his apology video.
I'm graduating this May with a Bachelors Degree in Journalism, and the manipulation of the "evidence" the Wall Street Journal has compiled is honestly hilarious. If I did something like this and turned it into one of my professors, I would get a failing grade on that assignment. The media is doing what they do best, and honestly, what is expected of them. The end goal is to make money, and The Wall Street Journal/Buzzfeed/whomever, has actually done an excellent job tapping into a large demographic who will now look at that article/video, and will continue to look at future content they publish about Felix. He has 50 million + subscribers, just imagine how many clicks they'll get. This isn't even them thinking he's actually anti-Semitic, at this point it's 95% for the money, and 5% for the LOL's. That's my 2 cents, sorry for ranting.
Also, absolutely love that you're doing an entire podcast talking about what's wrong with journalism in this country. Irresponsible journalists need to be held responsible. Being a journalist requires integrity, and it seems as though EVERYONE HAS LOST THEIR GODDAMN MIND, MY GOD.
Jenna just opened my eyes to something i hadnt even thought about before. i am now really realizing how important it is that a youtuber like felix is on top. the whole lilly, youtube, felix thing makes so much sense and I completely agree with Jennas thoughts on how its a bigger issue and a "conspiracy" in some way. besides the whole ridiculously insane wsj bullshit, what just popped into my mind first thing was last years youtube rewind. lilly had the biggest moment out of everyone in that video, if I didnt know better i would have thought she was the biggest youtuber. I love lilly, no hate at all, she seems like a lovely, very inspirational person. and i know its just a silly rewind video, but where was felixs big moment? hes the biggest youtuber on the plattform, he has done so many amazing things for charity, where is his big moment? phil defranco isnt in the damn videos either. because hes outspoken, reports real news and doesnt shy away from controvercy. youtube obviously doesnt like that very much. now with the whole demonetization thing with news channels too thats a whole other thing that blows my mind. jenna is right. it does seem like they want lilly on top instead of felix. last year she had the biggest fucking billboards and posters on buildings, and i know other youtubers have those youtube posters as well. but dude lillys where gigantic. it does seem like felix is not getting the support and attention he deserves from youtube. lilly is pretty pc, talks to politicians, promotes positivity always, doesnt voice her opinion nearly as much as felix does on controversial topics, doesnt make jokes that could be offensive. shes the perfect youtuber to be on top, shes sort of predictable and not outspoken, which is something felix is absolutely not and i see why that would be scary to youtube and the media. its so stupid though, because as they said in the video, they dont get to chose. poeple like felix, not just because hes deep down a very nice and humble guy, but also because hes NOT pc. he does not give a damn, he doesnt need the media and he probably doesnt even need to earn money anymore. and its very obvious to me now that youtube might have been promoting lilly so much for these reasons. Its amazing to see how much support felix is getting honestly. Jenna really has a point here and im so glad that felix is the biggest on the plattform more than ever now. its important that somebody like him is on top, not someone that will do what youtube tells them to do and that cencors themself. its become so much more important and clear to me all of a sudden. I really get it now lol. I also agree with what they said about how felix could have just apologized and thats it but instead he stood by his point and said 'they are wrong. they feel threatened by me, theyre trying to ruin my career and its not right'. he could have gotten a completely different response for that. people could have said hes reaching for something, pretending like hes so damn important and great. but no, everyone supports him more than ever. makes me very very happy. youtube on the other hand makes me sad a little.that they wouldnt have his back. its sad. I agree with jenna. wow so many thoughts. very very good insightful podcast on this topic. what a long ass comment that no ones gonna read. idc though i just wanted to get that off my chest n idk where else to do that lol
I did read it and it makes sense to me too. I think in the early years all was kind of seeing how it will work/who is going to start leading.. however now, youtube has made sure they have ways to promote and even sponsor in a way the channels that they believe will not hurt. It's crazy and scary.
Raven Winter I did the same today. But, to be fair, I never watched Buzzfeed. So, losing me didn't change much. Now I just don't have to see "Women Get Facials With Their Own Blood" pop up in my Subscription section.
Felix is a comedian. Go watch stand up on Netflix, over a dozen comedians I've seen on there have DARK, insane humour that can be extremely uncomfortable. Felix's humour is nothing near some Netflix comedy shows I've seen, humour will always fiddle with morality. Get over it. I don't know how this is a big deal. Felix has apologized to those people who are uncomfortable. Get over it.
EmmaCG I was also thinking the same thing. Thanks for making this point. He is nowhere near as offensive as some of the most popular stand up comedians can be.
EmmaCG because it has nothing to do with the joke, be it funny or not(i found it funny). It has to do with the fact that they are scared of him as he said himself. They are trying to shut him down because of the influence he has, nobody controls him or tells him what to do. That is terryfing to them, a selfmade influencial, succesful and selfthinking person. Same goes for all big internetpersonalities, they fear them and want them gone so they can go back to controlling the masses..
My conspiracy theory is that he was dropped from Maker because everyone knew that would get way more attention/coverage than Shay Carl's scandal which happened the DAY BEFORE. Shay Carl, as in, *CREATOR OF MAKER STUDIOS*.
Watch Pewdiepie's video about forced positivity on TH-cam. Shay made a comment about it on his family vlog. He did not like what Pewdiepie's statement.
whenever this kind of thing happens and you two make a podcast on it its so fucking interesting to watch. you two, especially jenna, are so smart. its such an awesome smack in the face to all the idiots who call jenna an idiot because of vids like landshark and everything is glue. jenna is goofy and smart, not an idiot.
I could listen to you guys talk about this all day long. Jenna you are totally right about how teens don't look to the news because we fucking don't. We know that the information they post is half sided and biased and complete bullshit so we don't want to read it. We like honesty and being able to have our own opinions instead of being told what we should think. That's why I think that teens disrespect elders and rebel against authority because we don't want to be told what we should do. While there are some exceptions to this, I still think that. We are forced to obey what we are told and we despise it so we just say fuck that and move on. And thank you for acknowledging that teenagers are smart, because most of the time we are characterized by being stupid kids that only want to cause trouble, when most of the time we just want to live happily and peacefully among each other. Our parents and that generation didn't have the internet so they only know news outlets and think that everything they say or publish is right and true, while most of the time it's fucking bullshit. They want to control us like they did to our parents and we've fucking had it with them. We want the truth and honest answer, not to be told what's right and what we should do. We are being stripped of our creativity from these news outlets and by our parents and by being told this information. We just want to be able to express our opinions and thoughts without being ridiculed and told that's not correct rather instead to be explained why we shouldn't. We need to be encouraged and Jenna I respect you for doing this and also understanding and knowing we aren't stupid kids. I hope you get what I mean by all of this and it's not just all over the place but ya know my minds also all over the place. Jenna, julien, pewdiepie, and the rest of the community, I stand with you and #fuckwallstreetjournal #savepewdiepie
I think the biggest thing to take away from all of this is that WSJ has become irrelevant in today's age and they are striking against the symbol (Felix) of their irrelevance.
I'm not American so I don't know what newspapers you guys have, but I've heard of this one from Hollywood movies and always thought it was like some 30's thing or something haha Anyway they are quite stupid, because they have only injured themselves as they have basically acknowledged Pewdiepie and similar as their competition. On top of that they are basically trying to fight a war against the entire future generation who they should be sweet talking instead. ..... Rupert Murdoch is behind all this people should talk about him more
For all the people saying Felix should accept the consequences of what he's done and what he did was not ok, I'm getting the sense you only listened to their defense of Pewdiepie, but not Pewdiepie's response. He came right out and said that he completely understands why he was dropped by Disney and TH-cam Red. He apologized for being hurtful. He admitted he was wrong. I am not saying what he did was ok or that you should forgive him, I'm just saying you're leaving out part of the story. In addition, this whole fake news thing happening is very dangerous. As much as WSJ and others WERE falsely reporting Pewdiepie, what Trump is claiming is happening is not the same. We cannot lose faith in journalism and media, that is how a dictatorship gets started. Let's all try to be logical and not make sweeping generalizations on things, even if there's a lot of emotion involved.
The MSM does propagate fake news whether it's blatant like in this case, or if it's just demonizing Trump. Trump hasn't done much of anything, and isn't even very ideological, but the MSM act as if he is equivalent to Hitler. Distrusting the MSM doesn't lead to dictatorships. The MSM aren't unbiased, in fact they constantly express their far-left wing biases quite often. There are hundreds of non-MSM news outlets that don't propagate falsehoods for their own political agendas. Personally, I don't trust people or groups that consistently lie and manipulate stories to fit their agendas. I'm not even a fan of Trump. But the Mainstream Media is obviously biased one way.
Marianne Burleson It's as simple as this: Trump has blatantly lied to the public countless times. MSM as you call it has pointed out his lies and used facts and legitimate resources to back this up. Trump has no facts or legitimate resources, in fact he uses BIASED MSM to get his news. Trump would like you to believe, and has seemingly succeeded, that you can't trust the news so that you'll believe anything he says, even when they're not true. A leader trying to create distrust in the media and telling lies to the public which support their own agendas is a technique used by totalitarian dictators. Believe what you will, but like I said, it is very dangerous to go along with the belief that all MSM is false and unreliable.
AdventureBuns I'm not saying I believe Trump, either. However, at least if I hear what he has to say in context out of his own mouth,I think I can decipher the BS myself rather than the MSN telling me how I should think. I haven't trusted the MSM long before it became... mainstream (what the hipster of me lol). I don't trust people or news sources just because that's what you're supposed to do. We need to be critical thinkers and not assume our 'team' always has pure motives while their 'team' is inherently malicious. The MSN has lied, omitted, and distorted the news; Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush... have all done the same, but the MSM conveniently calls out the right more and more deemingingly than the left... There is a clear agenda on both parts, but one is represented fairly (some might say with kid gloves), and the other not so much. We can agree to disagree if you want; it's just my opinion.
AdventureBuns What serious lies has Trump propagated? I can tell you several of the MSM's lies, and some of Trump's, but most of Trump's are petty as far as I know.
This podcast legit gave me chills. Just listening to jenna and julien talk is so amazing. They are truly so intelligent and this whole situation is ridiculous. Amazing podcast!
A podcast with Felix would be cool. Btw guys, I really respect your opinions. I can say that watching your podcasts on TH-cam is a good way of procrastinating for me. Keep going. Dink fam 💚
Conspiracity theory: every 20 chapters, Jenna Julien talks about this kinds of issues! 129: PewDiePie 149: Jake Paul 169: Logan Paul and the pattern kinda repeats before #129 :P
My favorite part is when they went to his door and offered him a platform to defend himself after his response.... as if his platform isn't wildly larger than theirs 😂
Ariana Le Bel 雷㝊娜 exactly. And the people who are in WSJs demographic are older typically and don't give a shit about this. It's not relevant to them because this isn't something they sit around and watch. So it's fucking ridiculous man.
JENNA when everyone was meeting Hilary and Obama about a year+ ago, you mentioned your moral opposition and I have never agreed more with a youtuber. I gained so much respect for you for realizing and understanding those politicians were just *using* those youtubers. I don't want to see a home decor channel mentioning how much they agree with ____ politician. Thank you.
I agree with you that it was a respectable thing for her to state her rationale for not meeting politicians, but I don't think it's fair for us to act like these youtubers didn't know that they were promoting an agenda. It's our job as consumers to keep that in mind and consider it when we view content. If a youtuber wants to use this platform to further an agenda that is their choice, they should be upfront about it and honest with their viewers. However, as viewers, we've got to be responsible for being critical and thoughtful too. As a platform, we've got to remember that TH-cam owes us nothing. They are a private company that allows users to post media and profits from it, we've got to be the ones making our thoughts known with our viewership and usage. I do 100% support Jenna and Julien and Felix, and she is so sharp to point out her own bias and I wish other content creators would too.
Whilst I agree that Felix totally got tossed under the bus by MSM, I also disagree with the people in these comments saying, "oh he has a younger audience and a large audience to influence, he should think and watch more what he says."But it's not his job to play parent. It's a parent's job to tell their children what's right and what's wrong and how to handle what is exposed to their children. He shouldn't have to censor himself because some people felt entitled to being offended by a situation they don't fully understand. People see a minuscule scene to a big picture and immediately jump to conclusion. Now I do believe there's a difference nowadays in being offended and finding something to be of poor taste. Nowadays being offended means jumping to conclusions and being biased and not seeing all sides of the story. Whereas finding something in poor taste after seeing all sides of the story and understanding them. So many people "feel offended" today because of click bait articles. How many offensive shows and people out there who spread real hate never get called out for it? I believe this was purely a click bait media grab of attention. How many people of my age and younger even read the WSJ? What better way to become relevant and get those views and that attention even with disgruntled subscribers, than to make a shit show of a scene by taking clips and not explaining the full context. Now other media outlets are seeing this as their own opportunity to cash in on this "controversial" person. This is a huge media shit show right now. It's the topic of discussion for everyone to make money off of through their published articles. Why isn't anyone publishing articles on how anyone will do anything for money nowadays? Why aren't the offended calling out on the actor who played Jesus by saying he should have had the conscience to say no to saying "hitler did nothing wrong"? He knew what he was saying when he made the video. They want to believe he's spreading words that he hates these people and all his subscribers should hate them too. Which is absolutely not even close to what is happening. He's showing us what's wrong with the world and people. I believe Felix is a genuinely good person with good intentions who has a lot of hate and judgment to deal with from his notoriety and influence. I believe he sees his influence as a chance to show people what is messed up with the world today. I also believe he has a hard job of dealing with people misconstruing what he says and his intentions.
This is really well said I completely agree this is the argument I have been making with friends who feel differently about the situation because this has been the main argument against him that I have heard.
It's the same sentiment that idiots used to try and stop gay marriage. "How can i tell my child that two men can marry....." It's there shitty kid and there responsibility to teach him or her right from wrong and about the world. It's not on everybody else.
It's probably just the pregnancy hormones but I kept crying because I'm so proud of you! You make me feel so proud to be in the dink fam and to be your "friend". You both are such amazing people and I'm glad to have you both in my life. Even if it's just a tiny bit and through the internet. Your words are encouraging and intelligent and filled with so much passion. I love you both and thank you for this. I stand behind Felix. And I come from Jews!!!
Btw got to the BuzzFeed Article... So it disregarded the whole female community?? that are fans of Felix??? and i'm 23? wtf is this. this article is so sexist towards men.
My conspiracy is that, as he was complaining a lot about youtube, they decided to stop giving him all his privileges but they didn't know how to without people thinking they're shit, so they paid WSJ to do the article saying that they pressed YT and Disney, and they walked away with their hands clean.Sorry if my english is not too good lmao.
Wow this.... is actually very plausible in my opinion. I loved watching this podcast and reading the comments with different points of view. Because I too have been SO angry and frustrated, I just want to witness others being outraged as much as me. I hope the tightness of this community will continue to grow, because it feels amazing to be part of. Thanks Jenna and Julien for doing this podcast, you did an amazing job and really made some very clear points. You put a lot of work into this one (and all other podcasts as well of course), thank you
100% agree!! TH-cam doesn't need WSJ to write good articles about them, they are theiR OWN GOD DAMNED PLATFORM they dont need WSJ readers to have a good opinion about them bc its different generations that dont get how youtube works anyway so there's no point in them trying to save face and drop Pewds and why would MSM start such a vicious war all of a sudden it just doesn't make sense, and yt, one of the biggest platforms at the moment, could have responded and backed pewds up to illustrate how manipulative mainstream media is but they did the complete opposite. I honestly believe the biggest channel on TH-cam was set up by TH-cam itself. It's better for them to have more small channels that are easier to control, that depend on them more, than big ones with a lot of influence that dont give a shit and can expose them. #IStandWithPewdiepie
I'm living for this critical commentary on Lilly, it's everything I've kinda felt in my gut for a long time, but never articulated as well as Jenna did
PewDiePie has got me through uni, he kept me company whilst swamped with work. Also you two, I still don't understand why TH-cam creators aren't seen for what they are, normal people with the courage to make themselves entertainers and entrepreneurs.
This is totally my favorite podcast, I love how they give no fucks and always say what they feel and I also applaud Jenna for having such a massive fan base and still not selling her views to corporations who just want to get more control. On the entire Pewdiepie situation, when I just heard the news, as a Jew and someone who had relatives in the holocaust, I was honestly completely offended, but when I saw his video and understood the context over what the media was saying, I got what he meant and no longer felt that way. I feel like people will only listen to what they want and barely anyone who isn't in the TH-cam community will give him a chance because they don't know him as a creator or us as a community and they dont' know that we would never allow comments like his if it wasn't to make a point. People have a problem with this network because we are all the government's puppets and TH-cam is the exception, even if its own creators are slowly turning that around
I love watching Jenna and Julien pull out actual research and freaking highlight articles...It goes to show how smart they are. I forget sometimes that Jenna has a fucking masters degree.
This was an educating and enlightening podcast. If this is Jenna ranting and not making sense, I'd be terrified of her when she's on her game. Everything here was concise and extremely well stated. So much love and respect for J&J.
This is the biggest case of CONTEXT MATTERS. Seeing these so-called "journalists" running a smear campaign against a new generation of media shows that they won't stop until they run other youtubers to the ground. Y'all stay strong and dink fam forever.
On twitter, Felix recently did a little bread making thing where he challenged Julien with baking and people were monsters in the comments and telling Julien he shouldn't associate with him at all
The whole thing is shameful. I'm not even what anyone would class a "PewDiePie fan". I give him mad respect for what he has been able to achieve, his content just doesn't interest me 98% of the time. However, it's pretty damn clear where the truth lies here, and Pewds has come out on top of it all (despite Maker and YT throwing him under the bus), because he was/is in the right. Sure his comedy can be offensive, even he says it's no good haha, but there was no malice in his actions, he's not a hateful person. He was just trolling the media for the titles they had already given him.
Im sure this has already been said but it is so admirable how much both Jenna and Julien genuinely care about TH-cam, its content and it's community. They are both just amazing people and this podcast was so intelligent and amazing.
You guys actually made me rethink my opinion on this. I still think Felix has a greater responsibility on account of his own power to speak/act in ways that won't harm others. But that doesn't make it right that the WSJ throws their considerable weight against one individual in an effort to discredit the power of new media. I think you're right Jenna - power is key to understanding this, as is motivation. While Felix has power, the WSJ (and trad. media system) has power and intent. Very interesting time to be paying attention to shifts in media, and contesting powers and agendas.
Amanda Wells you should definitely watch his response video where he acknowledges he did wrong and says he realizes he needs to own up to the consequences
Hi Maria, I have - don't worry. Its great that he did own that responsibility, and that when non-community members look into this shemozzle they'll find that fact and perhaps see that the WSJ's representation of the situation as a whole isn't entirely accurate. Its awesome that so many people have made a fuss over the misrepresentation of PDP and of the community by traditional media - hopefully this story will continue to backfire!
Just subscribed to him to support fellow TH-camrs! Can't believe the media completely missed his point of doing this and blew it out of proportion. Also Jenna, I love hearing about how you don't want to exploit your viewers and try to push ANYTHING on them. You guys are honestly the most genuine, amazing people and TH-camrs.
i was nodding the whole time... this is so accurate.. i'm really glad jenna is supporting Felix.. he really needs it right now.. i'm just really glad. i hope this matter gets solved quickly.. #istandforPewDiePie
This was a really good podcast! I know that as TH-cam creators you are biased to that side, but I think you both do a great job of staying open-minded and looking at all the facts. I do think PewDiePie can be offensive at times, but the way the media is vilifying him is absolutely ridiculous. Even when he apologizes, and fully addresses the situation, the media takes that and says he's not sincere. I think he can't win either way with the media, but I hope he continues to do what he does, because what is happening lately is really scary. I'm fearful that we are coming into an era of censorship and control of information. We need to stay informed, and question EVERYTHING the media puts out there.
Here I am, watching this damn near 3 years later, and I never heard of this PewDiePie controversy. I have teenagers who have watched him for years, I've worked in elementary schools. I have never heard word of this until this podcast. It must not have been such a big deal after all, lol.
I truly think that Jenna was very articulate and honest about this and she has an important role to play in this conversation. As the biggest independent online female creator, using her platform to defend free speech and critical thinking is crucial !!! Kudos to her.
he definitely crossed a line though. like without a doubt. maybe his apology is enough but to suggest everyone should just forgive him and he shouldn't get any consequences is not cool. more youtubers should be held accountable for their actions.
Miriam Brown no I don't agree. Nazi jokes were pretty commonplace 10 years ago. Because the Overton window has shifted it's only now it's socially unacceptable to make politically incorrect jokes. It's fucking stupid. If it's just a damn joke it's nothing more than that. Overly sensitive busy bodies like you are making comedians scared to come onto university campuses. I hate the idea we can be policed so thoroughly for speech. In my country you can be arrested for saying the wrong thing. It's disgusting.
You're the kind of person that gets offended over the phrase "white people" I bet. You don't care about 'harmless' jokes when they're not about you. People are fucking saying Netflix's "Dear White People" is promoting white genocide when it's a fucking reboot of some like 70s show. You don't make those jokes. It's disgusting. Mark made that video about respecting Felix - what about respecting the people he, though joking, wished death upon?
+JayandNoPlay because, i don't know, _maybe he wasn't actually wishing death upon an entire group of people_? the basis of nearly all comedy is human pain, human suffering, human _tragedy_. laughter is how we recover from tragedy. degrading the image of hitler to the point where he's used in a fucking anime opening should be the _ideal_, _his image is being openly mocked by pewdiepie_, and his intentions have actually been twisted into some absurd worship of nazism.
I know I've said this in the past about the dink fam but I think now is a good time to reiterate it... I'm so incredibly proud of these comments. I appreciate how there's not trash in here, it's a place for people to voice different opinions with respectful criticism (of us and/or each other) and I just want to stress how proud I am of the environment in here and wanted to also thank all of you for actively contributing to the discussion whether you agree with what we said or not. So thanks for that, dink dink, I respect all of your thoughts opinions, i care, and you guys are a wonderful group of free thinking adults.
JennaMarbles Thank you for speaking out on this. This was an awesome podcast.
JennaMarbles Love this video. Btw, I'm with you on the conspiracy theory. I am all about some conspiracy theories. I teach history and government, so I try to add a few in every now and then to my students. Brings up great discussions.
do you think you're gonna do a follow up podcast/video addressing the counterpoints people brought up? obviously you don't have to but i'm seeing a lot of interesting discourse going on in the comments and it would be very nice to see your responses.
It really just shows that things don't have consequences anymore, but instead have rewards for pretty much any bad behavior. I am 100% not for how WSJ showed Felix in the video,however they only even brought it up because alt-right/neo-nazi people were using Felix as someone who is with their cause. Felix could have avoided this whole situation don't post things that can be used against you. I get that he is not hateful or anything but you literally don't put up stuff like that, and just claim it is a mistake/joke or how ever you want to spin it because all it does is let other people follow suit. It makes the jokes you say also come off as a normal thing. If his joke was saying the N-word and people are only flocking to support him because it was a joke and he is really a nice person guess what more people are going to start saying and get way with. Maybe if Felix you know started with this type of stuff from the beginning it wouldn't have been much of an issue, but he started with playing video games. If uno started putting the same crazy shit that cards against humanity put you bet their would be an out cry too.
I was sort of disappointed that you guys sided so strongly with PDP. I understand that you had a similar experience with GMA a while back which colored how you feel about traditional media. While I get the whole traditional media vs TH-camrs, PDP has so much fame and influence that he needs to reflect with more maturity on the messages he's sending out in his vids. I feel badly that he was so skewered this week. I don't think he's a bad guy.
love you guys 🐸
PewDiePie ❤️❤️❤️
PewDiePie im glad youre getting the support you deserve
we love you. I have so much respect for you. you are doing an amazing job. we are here for you. you're not alone, Felix.
So glad you saw this podcast and all the members of the dink fam that support you, Felix. Stay strong ❤
I hope you're better Felix!!
Jenna: "Because Buzzfeed does so much."
Someone give Buzzfeed a jacket, it must be cold in that shade lol
Tabby Taboo lmaoo
its crazy looking back on this and seeing how little action was taken to discipline creators like Logan Paul
yea. he films a dead body but still got his youtube red show
SO FUCKING TRUE UGH. That is infuriating to think about.
for real.
He fucking retweeted the podcast, senpai has noticed 😌
awesome! I was hoping he'd see it. He probably appreciates it a lot
Sarai Godinez omg yess
Sarai Godinez your comment killed me😂
I hope all these people/sources shitting on PewDiePie are disgusted by South Park, Family Guy, The Simpsons, American Dad, Futurama and just about any stand-up comedian with a dark twist.
x Jen x Don't forget about the onion. It's pretending to be news, and no one bats an eye about it.
x Jen x CHURCH! PREACH! TABERNACLE!
x Jen x watch some of my videos ?!?
They are all hypocrites, of course they can't apply inhuman standards on themselves. One of the three main journalists on WSJ, writing the hitpiece, has a South Park-character as his avatar on Twitter. These "journalists" are desperate, they have literally nothing to lose but Felix has everything.
x Jen x Well you'll be dissaponted because one of the "writers" who wrote about pewds has a South Park character as a profile pic on twitter.
This is the most mad I've seen Jenna since when she lived in Boston and constantly made rant videos 😂
Kyra K I was thinking the same thing 😂😂 except here she actually called out specific people 😂
Kyra K aye lmao honestly what I was thinking , but I make videos IF YOU WANT TO maybe check them out ?!?
Kyra K It was 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Kyra K idk that avocado video tho... 🙄
Na0m! how could I forget that notorious video 😰
yooo shoutout to that random lady on the bottom right
yaaaasssssss
scmeagol and the left
*ladies
•zoiee 101.: *RIGHT, sweetie. Go back to school.
...and on the left corner
if you can't separate jokes from actual insults you shouldn't be on the internet. I've said that before and I continually believe that it is true.
Riely Nugent but when does a joke go too far ? I can joke with the best of them.... don't get me wrong. But sometimes people hide real prejudices by joking... I don't think he was doing this in this situation but it happens all the time.
Lay Ariel Then they are probably open about their views. They are the people we should be worried about. But when they clearly are just making jokes wr shouldn't be worried or be against them.
Riely Nugent I think that nature of our political climate currently is why this is blown up so big... there have been sweeping anti Semitic messages across the nation since the election. People are scared, the timing was just way off.
Lay Ariel yeah. Your right about that
Riely Nugent dark humor. Very commonly used.
TH-cam, your Queen is angry, you need to fix this crap.
Lilly Bowman I love this comment😂❤️
Isabella Mercado same!
Lilly Bowman +
The part in the middle where Jenna touched on politicians trying to gain access to the followings of bigger TH-camrs was thought provoking. If you made a whole podcast focusing specifically on that topic or maybe on your opinions on brand endorsements, promotional campaigns, etc that would be really interesting. Really enjoyed this week's podcast!
Arianna G Yes! This part was incredibly eye-catching/interesting to me. I can't believe I had never even considered that it may be a possibility before.
philip de franco said that the hillary campaign contacted him last year saying they would pay him to promote her... scary stuff
Arianna G yes!!!! i've been thinking about it so much and i'm so glad Jenna brought it up
Arianna G I agree completely!
Right I haven't watched the video yet, and I just want to say: I'm a Jewish Russian kid. My family was actually affected by Nazis, as many millions of others in the world. The WSJ does not get the right to disrespect our past and the deaths of our family members by calling PewDiePie, of all people, a fucking Nazi.
Iris Brill bless up
Or trump. I'm sure your family could attest to that whether they support him or not. Its unreal
Iris Brill shit this comment gave me fucking chills. Much respect man!
Yeah, he’s racist but not a fucking nazi
Bargins Galore nah, he’s neither.
Family Guy, South Park, American Dad, those are just a few shows that make jokes like this every single week, and no one minds. Pewdiepie makes a few jokes in retaliation towards the media for taking his jokes 100% out of context, and people lose their shit. His jokes were to "a", see how far people would go, and "b", to mock the media. WSJ's job is to report the news, not to fabricate articles, clips, and pictures, to convince people someone is a nazi when they absolutely are not. We should be focused on the real nazis that are currently trying to let their presence be known, not a TH-camr making a joke in response to how the media wrongly portrays him.
amberk1123 uh those shows get in trouble as well. They either get episodes banned, loose sponsors, hell family guy and South Park have been cancelled before. So that argument that no one minds, is bs. And I actually love those shows, mostly American dad and South Park, but please find another argument because those shows have in fact faced consequences because of its humor or social commentary.
Taylor jay I absolutely adore those shows too, I've just never witnessed them be hated or attacked to the degree Pewdiepie is currently. My point wasn't meant to bash those shows, I was just wondering why WSJ hasn't gone after them, if this humor makes you a nazi-sympathizer. Again, I could be completely wrong, as I've never personally seen those shows attacked to this degree.
amberk1123 I'm guessing you're not that old then. I'm 22 and i remember being a kid and seeing family guy and South Park in the news for it's crude humor and commentary. I'm pretty sure South Park has been cancelled twice and I think family guy three times, I could be wrong about how many but they have been at least once, that I'm certain of. I'm not saying what the media is doing is right but these shows have faced consequences.
Taylor jay I am 30, but do not see how that is relevant. I said I "personally" have never witnessed them being attacked to this degree, and fully admitted that I could indeed be wrong on that. If that's the case, then it was a poor comparison on my part. I know that they do receive hate and face consequences for their writing, however, to me at least, it always blows over quite quickly. Absolutely not trying to argue, as you've made great points, I just haven't witnessed it personally.
amberk1123 only mentioned your age because it would sort of explain how you wouldn't know but then again I have to remember not every single person watches the same thing at the same time. Only reason you're not seeing them being shamed today is because all of that was done years ago, when there was no twitter or Facebook and people have now learned that it's just how those shows work. Thats their version of comedy and commentary, so they get left alone cause they've faced all the hate already.
Coming from a person who isn't subscribed to PewDiePie purely because his content doesn't particularly interest me, it is so fucking *REFRESHING* to hear you two, especially Jenna, talk about this subject. Your opinions, which have a right to be biased, are so honest and true and it gives so much insight into a subject which is very important, not just for the youtube creators, but the whole "internet generation" of this day and age. *FUCKING DINK* #SAVEPEWDIEPIE #SAVEFELIX
Hannah Arevalo thanks.
I adore how passionate and well spoken Jenna is on this topic, it really shows her heart and intelligence. Both Jenna and Julien make better arguments and commentary than 'actual' media outlets.
I'm Jewish, I'm neutral on him in general, and I appreciate that he apologized. If Felix hadn't apologized I'd have been very upset. A joke is a joke, yes- but someone who has influence over others CAN normalize hatred; especially a younger more impressionable crowd. The media has gone way too far with this, and they'll do anything for a click-baity article. This slandering is awful, and this black/white way of thinking continues to be perpetuated, and everyone continues to get more and more enraged. This cycle is exhausting.
fujosheet felix is also a jew
I agree
I love when Jenna gets going on rants. Mad Jenna is amazing 🔥🔥
Im sorry to say that I always ignored Jenna, thinking she is a youtuber that may not be interesting to me, just because she seemed girly, but listening to the passion in her voice i realize how wrong I was. Great defense of the community Jenna.
God Bless
I love how you guys are helping support Felix, deep stuff thank you for sharing your opinions on this important matter
Yeah, Jenna Julien thank you so much for this podcast! I'm a parent of a 12-yr-old and I know kids her age watch Pewds, I also know it is MY JOB as a parent to watch it first and decide what's age-appropriate for her to watch, and what isn't. It's MY JOB to teach her digital literacy and explain dark humor and satire and trolls, etc. People trying to "save" the 13-18 audience by screaming "Wat aboot the childrennnnnn??!" are ridiculous.
BTW Jenna your videos have swears and adult references but again, parents teaching digital literacy helps kids navigate your world safely. As my child gets older and wiser, and more savvy, she gets to watch more of your content, it's that simple. Until then I get to enjoy the full extent of your snark and fuckery. It's a win-win situation 😜
I definitely stand with Felix but it annoys me when influential people who I look up to, like J.K Rowling, are so close minded about the situation
roseizer lmao I unfollowed her so long ago because of that specific reason, so annoying
roseizer it's really disheartening. She's allowed to have a different opinion but what she tweeted out is just wrong on a factual standpoint. She just read the article without question. Sad.
roseizer yea I lost respect for her.
And of all the articles using "Pewdiepie" to get clicks, the one she chose was one of the most ridiculous. I was surprised she fell for it.
I mean, it could have been written by Rita Skeeter herself by comparison.
J.K Rowling has always been a bitch idk why you even looked up to her before lol
I don't even enjoy Pewds's content and I could tell from a mile away that the accusations against him were bullshit. Plus, I saw the video in question, and yeah the joke was a bit risky, but it was also really funny.
Come THROUGH masters in psychology 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼i see you Jenna
Mark Mihelin 😆
Mark Mihelin exactly ^^ 🤘
Mark Mihelin 👍🙌
Mark Mihelin Exactly!!
My thoughts exaccttlyyyyy
Jenna.. its so refreshing hearing your thoughts, and having a voice that can help me put into words what I'm thinking. You're not alone, you're not crazy, and we appreciate you. ❤ dink fam
u.u x ow thanks for this
Pewdiepie is such a lovely guy. He just gets dragged into these mess due to his income as thats the only thing main stream media focuses on . They feel inferior due to the money TH-camrs make.
Agree :/ I've been following Poods for a long time and it's sad how much his name gets dragged into the mud just because he's number 1. Im personally happy that he is the "representative" of TH-cam. Imagine what kind of person could've been number 1 but its Felix,good person who means well. #Istandwithpewdiepie
aaaah another monika with a k :D
archer monika he got 'dragged into this mess' by being anti-semitic. no matter the intent of the statement, he said something offensive.
No. He was dragged into this mess to take all eyes off Shay Carl's huge scandal and it worked like a charm.
I don't think everyone who's upset about what this person did is just mad that he has money. I don't know him or follow his content but from what I understand he's done similar things to this in the past which is honestly just ridiculous and stupid on his part especially considering the political climate around the world right now. If he thinks it's funny that's fine he has every right to and he has every right to post that content but at the same time, people have a right to be mad. Him getting dropped by Maker and losing money is all on him. Just because he has the right to do stupid shit doesn't mean he doesn't have to face consequences.
i LOVE how they are so passionate about this. it made me laugh when julien said " IS TWEETING DONALD TRUMP'S JOB?!" iconic
Jenna's Rochester accent came out when she was really irritated! She's really embracing being 2008 hot ;)
Loonette Bahusafoo hahaha!
Loonette Bahusafoo oh shit that got me 😂😂😂
*best observation ever*
I've noticed this very many times in the past. I'm not sure if it's a defense mechanism and she's unaware of it or if she just thinks that 'accent' is funny to use. Just thinking outloud here.
lol it's a MassHole thing 😉
As a jew, I wasn't offended at all. I can see the difference between satire and serious anti-semitism and would rather use my time being offended by something that is actual, legitimate hate speech instead of a joke (that was admittedly in poor taste) that has been twisted out of both proportion and context by the media. Just my opinion 😊
Thegabster82 Actually, I'm British. My great grandfather died in the holocaust, as did his parents and his siblings whilst my great grandmother fled with her family as she was pregnant with my grandma. The fact of the matter is that what Felix did was a joke, it may have been in bad taste but most jokes are. There are people out there who truly do want all Jews to die and as such I don't want to sit there being annoyed at an idiotic joke when there are much more significant things like that to be annoyed about. An example of this is the Jewish Cemetery that was vandalised and from what I can see, more people were annoyed at Felix for what he did than the vandalism...
Thegabster82 Well a joke is what it was, many of the jokes nowadays are either in bad taste or dark. Maybe if he goes and vandalises a cemetery or joins the Racial Volunteer Force (An extremely violent Neo-Nazi party present in Britain) then I'll get annoyed but I understand & respect your view on the matter as we're all entitled to our own opinions ☺️
It was a pretty crap joke... And I think it was blown way out of proportion! However, in a weird way I'm glad that it was because I don't think he's going to make as many Nazi jokes anymore. I actually really hated when he made the jokes because it always made me think about the Holocaust.
Remember when JK Rowling was gonna write about American wizards and how ingrained it was in Native American people's culture?? Um, the Native and Indigenous people have experienced genocide long before Jewish people ever did. You know archaeologist still find their bones all over the country. She seemed to conveniently forget that it was the people from her country who actually committed those heinous crimes. I understand the offense for the Jewish community, I do I remember being very surprised that he would think that was funny. But my brother did. Some people find stupid crap funny. We can't always walk on eggshells when it comes to the Jewish community and a past hurt. If that was true, every one would be for #blacklivesmatter.
+Maple Tree If you say that people who are not affected personally by the joke shouldn't be able to say that it was okay, then those unaffected people should not be able to condemn the joke either. While I do think the joke is wrong, I believe that most people can understand the seriousness and horror of the holocaust enough to make an informed decision about the joke even if they were not personally affected.
Jenna is so fucking smart and well spoken and creative and has so much integrity.
Jessica A. I love her righteous anger, it almost makes me feel empowered lolol
Jessica A. ikr, we need Jenna to run for president
"so trump is basically Felix" "tight" oh my god im crying Jenna
Damn Jenna laying down some mom-level guilt and shame on the author of that Buzzfeed article
If J&J ever have a kid, that would be a very well raised kid
Okay, first and foremost, South Park literally does more offensive things every week since 1990 and no one, literally no one, is calling the creators of south park racist or a fucking nazi even though there was an episode where Cartman literally dressed as hitler and said he hated jews. Calling Felix a fucking terrorist is absolutely disgusting and they're arbitrarily making money of a hate article to someone they dont even watch. Like this has nothing to do with his jokes or anything. At this point it's the media trying to control the younger generations point of view, in order to gain views on THEIR posts.
Alexandra Marie at this point,I think they just hate TH-cam and wanna see this platform fail
edit: I just actually finished the podcast and realize that was part of Jenna's theory,which I completely agree with. It makes a lot of sense
Alexandra Marie, yessss girl! Preach it. 👏🏻👏🏻
Alexandra Marie truuuu
When the crap did Felix become "Alt-Right"?? His viewpoints and lifestyle is actually very liberal lol
I know! This all happened so quckly
He does not talk about politics(except to make fun of it), but the viewpoints of how he looks at life in a general sense are liberal. He is an Atheist. He cares about people a lot (he has raised so much money for charity, especially to "charity: water"). He does not discriminate against anybody and seems to believe in higher personal freedom and individuality. The more you see Pewd's real self on his channel (which is pretty rare since his job on there is to entertain and his real self comes out when he's being serious), you just get a real sense that he leans more to the left in his views. Also, he has talked about disliking Trump many times, and you really can't be "Alt-Right" and dislike Trump from what I've seen online.
I forgot to mention that Felix lives in Brighton, the Gay Capital of Britain (as he called in one video). He was talking about getting kicked out of his apartment that they used for an office in a video earlier in 2016 and how the landlord used a slur calling him a fa**ot (if I recall) and Felix got pretty angry about him using that, not because he somebody called him gay but because he does not condone using slurs against gay people. That video in itself shows his liberal side.
He's swedish and they are in general pretty liberal. He has said that we was in support for the british remain rather than brexit, and he is friends with h3h3 who are jewish. This whole thing makes no sense, he even said himself he expected this more from The Sun (right wing uk newspaper)
Happy to be of service ^_^
jenna is gonna be a really cute old person
She’s going to be one of those grannies you see out protesting and cussing at fascists.
I will wait patiently for podcast with Felix (and Marzia)
Weronika Banaszewska itd be so great, but felix and Marzia would have to come to LA
i think they recently met with ethan and hila theyre probably not in LA any time soon :/
Weronika Banaszewska watch some of my videos ?!?
Andre Heh that's why patiently :P
That would be an amazing podcast, I hope they see this
I'm sad I wasn't subbed to Buzzfeed before because now I don't get to smash that Unsubscribe button
Subscribes and SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON TO A DARK PLACE. :D
I was subscribed to multiple BuzzFeed channels, now I get to smash 4 unsub buttons
Alyssa B just settle for smashing the dislike button 😉😂
i'm so glad jenna is getting angry at this.
Unsubscribed from Buzzfeed! Disappointed in them
Meg Moore I only stayed on blue for their unsolved series. Least toxic buzzfeed anything ever. Plus the banter is cute and funny :)
I'm so happy that you side with Felix, all TH-camrs SHOULD... this attack could start trying to silence anyone. I watched Jacksepticeye basically go against him and they are suppose to be good friends. I feel like he's too scared to disagree with his fans who the majority are tumblr kids who need 'safe spaces'. It's a relief how open you guys should your support for him, and I love that you guys believe in 'free speech' basically and that if someone is offended by something they have that right, but jokes are jokes. I hate that people can't even make jokes about women now without being looked at as sexiest. RIP comedy
Natasha Brown jack never sided with the media. He just expressed that the joke weren't the best choises and that he would never do them himself but he does support felix
Natasha Brown Sean's video was definitely confusing and I left the video feeling like he doesn't support Felix. I knows he's gone on twitter and said he regrets making that video and that he has apologized to Felix. It just felt not very well thought out.
That's like Markipliers dramatic "Respect" video. It's so eye-roll inducing but then again, Mark and Sean are still with Maker so I doubt they want to speak out against them.
Yes he did Vanessa. He VERY strongly condemned what Felix did as stupid and wrong. It was a very moralizing and judgemental video and very saddening to see.
he also said he still stand with felix and that you can be friends with somebody and not agree with everything they do. I'm laughing so hard at all of the people trying to throw hate on jack and mark.
I cancelled my TH-camRed subscription in support of PewDiePie. I won't support the company as a whole if they are going to censor content this way. I'm a 28 year old mother with a corporate job with a Fortune 500 company that LOVES PewDiePie and his content. Tell me how he caters to prepubescent gamer bros!? Felix is a pioneer of the online content community and needs to be recognized as such.
I'm a bit older than most of the TH-camr generation. I payed attention to this because my daughter loved pewdiepie. So much so that my son's middle name is Felix because her and her sister got to pick his middle name. Anyway this situation is so freaking ridiculous! He was making a funny video about how people will do crazy things to make a few bucks! That was the whole point that people will do anything for a quick buck. He apologized for it which is more that Trump did! I'm almost 40 and find that this is a bunch of bull shit and I stand with him!
Danyel Summers I love how they picked your son's middle name
U r a good papa ;(
NoziNuclear I'm a mom but thanks.
Danyel Summers you are a hero
Danyel Summers so glad to see a parent so invested and interested in their children's online activities... it worries me sometimes.
lol TH-cam obviously wants Lilly Singh to be the top dog because she will play ball.
I love how Pewds even pointed that out several times in his videos.
brrreakdawn about 35min in.
Even Pews already said this in one of his videos that criticises YT, that them wants some one like Lilly (mention specific her name) on the top. The motives is clear...
I like Lilly and her videos, I truly do, but I can assemble that line of thought!
Jenna I absolutely fucking love you and your opinions on everything in this video
his apology video was the most reasonable, sincere, and logical apology video I've seen from a high profile situation / "celebrity" ever
I just realized that I've become smarter because of you guys. thank you.
every week you hear about a youtuber raising hundred of thousand of dollars for charity, i would like to know how much this "journalist" have contributed
Jessica Lin SAME HERE
I've got to get out of these comments. Half of the people that are genuinely upset about what Felix did, didn't actually watch any of his videos. Including the original fiverr video or his apology video.
Ashley Wollard yup they are just blindly believing anything.
Ashley Wollard Took the words right out of my mouth.
Ya'll do realize you made the assumption if people don't agree with you they must not have all the facts? and 27 people blindly liked....the irony
"dark humor and memes"
internet: lazy town
**we are number one plays in the background**
ATOMICxCIMOTA *a loop of "ya like jazz" plays softly in the distance*
I'm graduating this May with a Bachelors Degree in Journalism, and the manipulation of the "evidence" the Wall Street Journal has compiled is honestly hilarious. If I did something like this and turned it into one of my professors, I would get a failing grade on that assignment.
The media is doing what they do best, and honestly, what is expected of them. The end goal is to make money, and The Wall Street Journal/Buzzfeed/whomever, has actually done an excellent job tapping into a large demographic who will now look at that article/video, and will continue to look at future content they publish about Felix. He has 50 million + subscribers, just imagine how many clicks they'll get.
This isn't even them thinking he's actually anti-Semitic, at this point it's 95% for the money, and 5% for the LOL's.
That's my 2 cents, sorry for ranting.
Also, absolutely love that you're doing an entire podcast talking about what's wrong with journalism in this country. Irresponsible journalists need to be held responsible. Being a journalist requires integrity, and it seems as though EVERYONE HAS LOST THEIR GODDAMN MIND, MY GOD.
Brittany Nissen of black gentlemen who were also under
Jenna just opened my eyes to something i hadnt even thought about before. i am now really realizing how important it is that a youtuber like felix is on top. the whole lilly, youtube, felix thing makes so much sense and I completely agree with Jennas thoughts on how its a bigger issue and a "conspiracy" in some way.
besides the whole ridiculously insane wsj bullshit, what just popped into my mind first thing was last years youtube rewind.
lilly had the biggest moment out of everyone in that video, if I didnt know better i would have thought she was the biggest youtuber. I love lilly, no hate at all, she seems like a lovely, very inspirational person. and i know its just a silly rewind video, but where was felixs big moment? hes the biggest youtuber on the plattform, he has done so many amazing things for charity, where is his big moment? phil defranco isnt in the damn videos either. because hes outspoken, reports real news and doesnt shy away from controvercy. youtube obviously doesnt like that very much. now with the whole demonetization thing with news channels too thats a whole other thing that blows my mind. jenna is right. it does seem like they want lilly on top instead of felix. last year she had the biggest fucking billboards and posters on buildings, and i know other youtubers have those youtube posters as well. but dude lillys where gigantic. it does seem like felix is not getting the support and attention he deserves from youtube. lilly is pretty pc, talks to politicians, promotes positivity always, doesnt voice her opinion nearly as much as felix does on controversial topics, doesnt make jokes that could be offensive. shes the perfect youtuber to be on top, shes sort of predictable and not outspoken, which is something felix is absolutely not and i see why that would be scary to youtube and the media.
its so stupid though, because as they said in the video, they dont get to chose. poeple like felix, not just because hes deep down a very nice and humble guy, but also because hes NOT pc. he does not give a damn, he doesnt need the media and he probably doesnt even need to earn money anymore. and its very obvious to me now that youtube might have been promoting lilly so much for these reasons. Its amazing to see how much support felix is getting honestly. Jenna really has a point here and im so glad that felix is the biggest on the plattform more than ever now. its important that somebody like him is on top, not someone that will do what youtube tells them to do and that cencors themself. its become so much more important and clear to me all of a sudden. I really get it now lol.
I also agree with what they said about how felix could have just apologized and thats it but instead he stood by his point and said 'they are wrong. they feel threatened by me, theyre trying to ruin my career and its not right'. he could have gotten a completely different response for that. people could have said hes reaching for something, pretending like hes so damn important and great. but no, everyone supports him more than ever. makes me very very happy. youtube on the other hand makes me sad a little.that they wouldnt have his back. its sad. I agree with jenna.
wow so many thoughts. very very good insightful podcast on this topic.
what a long ass comment that no ones gonna read. idc though i just wanted to get that off my chest n idk where else to do that lol
this was a fucking great comment. thanks for taking the time to write out your thought, i think we all had a little awakening
Ema Atwell Thank you for that but just to ruin everything
IS YOUR REAL NAME EMA WITH ONE M CAUSE I NEVER SEE THAT AND MY NAME IS EMA
Ema Atwell I know this is old now, but yes. I COMPLETELY agree.
I did read it and it makes sense to me too. I think in the early years all was kind of seeing how it will work/who is going to start leading.. however now, youtube has made sure they have ways to promote and even sponsor in a way the channels that they believe will not hurt. It's crazy and scary.
Nearly 2 years later and this what you wrote is still true.TH-cam demonetising small TH-cam channels which are not family friendly
I'm unsubbing from Buzzfeed for sure. That's so pathetic and uneducated.
Raven Winter I did the same today. But, to be fair, I never watched Buzzfeed. So, losing me didn't change much. Now I just don't have to see "Women Get Facials With Their Own Blood" pop up in my Subscription section.
ive been looking for a way to block buzzfeed from my suggestions for months . but i cant yet find a way. theyre actual trash
Raven Winter same 😕
Raven Winter I am as well pure bs I keep seeing from them.
Samantha Dunick You can put on youtube. "I'm not interested on this video", they ask why and you put "I don't want Buzzfeed channel"
Felix is a comedian. Go watch stand up on Netflix, over a dozen comedians I've seen on there have DARK, insane humour that can be extremely uncomfortable. Felix's humour is nothing near some Netflix comedy shows I've seen, humour will always fiddle with morality. Get over it. I don't know how this is a big deal. Felix has apologized to those people who are uncomfortable. Get over it.
EmmaCG ^ This. Yes.
EmmaCG THIS
EmmaCG I was also thinking the same thing. Thanks for making this point. He is nowhere near as offensive as some of the most popular stand up comedians can be.
EmmaCG YES EXACTLY
EmmaCG because it has nothing to do with the joke, be it funny or not(i found it funny). It has to do with the fact that they are scared of him as he said himself. They are trying to shut him down because of the influence he has, nobody controls him or tells him what to do. That is terryfing to them, a selfmade influencial, succesful and selfthinking person. Same goes for all big internetpersonalities, they fear them and want them gone so they can go back to controlling the masses..
My conspiracy theory is that he was dropped from Maker because everyone knew that would get way more attention/coverage than Shay Carl's scandal which happened the DAY BEFORE. Shay Carl, as in, *CREATOR OF MAKER STUDIOS*.
Hey Jamie i can see that.
Hey Jamie what was Shay's scandal?
Dear Felix - Start a brand new video hosting website. Pewdtube. Never allow this dumb shit to happen.
Oooo...interesting!
Watch Pewdiepie's video about forced positivity on TH-cam. Shay made a comment about it on his family vlog. He did not like what Pewdiepie's statement.
I love how Jenna and Felix both slide into a deeper and raspier voice when they get frustrated but want to keep it light hearted
WHOA ON A SATURDAY NIGHT WHATS UP DINK FAM?! I was gonna go to bed but I guess not now.. LOL
I'm so excited for this podcast I was hoping they'd talk about it!!
Kaitlin73_Drawings SAME cuz ive been following pewdiepie
Sameeee
Sammmmeeeeeeee omg
Kaitlin73_Drawings I'm always late because I have a different time zone 😂😂
whenever this kind of thing happens and you two make a podcast on it its so fucking interesting to watch. you two, especially jenna, are so smart. its such an awesome smack in the face to all the idiots who call jenna an idiot because of vids like landshark and everything is glue. jenna is goofy and smart, not an idiot.
Julien if you're reading, i think you're smart too! just focusing on jenna because she's gotten so much shit in the past.
StripesofShay
Not gonna lie, this made me laugh. Just because you wanted to make sure he felt complimented too which is really sweet.
+stripesofshay well said
StripesofShay Jenna has a masters in Psychology, she's smarter than people think lol
Jenna is literally amazing
I could listen to you guys talk about this all day long. Jenna you are totally right about how teens don't look to the news because we fucking don't. We know that the information they post is half sided and biased and complete bullshit so we don't want to read it. We like honesty and being able to have our own opinions instead of being told what we should think. That's why I think that teens disrespect elders and rebel against authority because we don't want to be told what we should do. While there are some exceptions to this, I still think that. We are forced to obey what we are told and we despise it so we just say fuck that and move on. And thank you for acknowledging that teenagers are smart, because most of the time we are characterized by being stupid kids that only want to cause trouble, when most of the time we just want to live happily and peacefully among each other. Our parents and that generation didn't have the internet so they only know news outlets and think that everything they say or publish is right and true, while most of the time it's fucking bullshit. They want to control us like they did to our parents and we've fucking had it with them. We want the truth and honest answer, not to be told what's right and what we should do. We are being stripped of our creativity from these news outlets and by our parents and by being told this information. We just want to be able to express our opinions and thoughts without being ridiculed and told that's not correct rather instead to be explained why we shouldn't. We need to be encouraged and Jenna I respect you for doing this and also understanding and knowing we aren't stupid kids. I hope you get what I mean by all of this and it's not just all over the place but ya know my minds also all over the place. Jenna, julien, pewdiepie, and the rest of the community, I stand with you and #fuckwallstreetjournal #savepewdiepie
timtim laz love this!!!
timtim laz THIS IS THE TRUTH ^^^^^^^^^^ EVERYONE ONE SHOULD READ THIS REAL ASS SHIT ( this person has taken this from my 17 y/o mind )
Jessica Strong lmao thanks and with me being 15 shows that us teens aren't stupid
I think the biggest thing to take away from all of this is that WSJ has become irrelevant in today's age and they are striking against the symbol (Felix) of their irrelevance.
I'm not American so I don't know what newspapers you guys have, but I've heard of this one from Hollywood movies and always thought it was like some 30's thing or something haha Anyway they are quite stupid, because they have only injured themselves as they have basically acknowledged Pewdiepie and similar as their competition. On top of that they are basically trying to fight a war against the entire future generation who they should be sweet talking instead. ..... Rupert Murdoch is behind all this people should talk about him more
when the queen of youtube does her research
Jing Yi Tan which is every time
i can't stop looking at the blond women in sunglasses in the bottom right hand corner lol
rachael repko same
rachael repko NOW I CANT STOP LOOKING LMAAAOOOO
rachael repko thanks for pointing it out now I can't either lmao
rachael repko thank god im not the only one.
rachael repko lmao same actually
For all the people saying Felix should accept the consequences of what he's done and what he did was not ok, I'm getting the sense you only listened to their defense of Pewdiepie, but not Pewdiepie's response. He came right out and said that he completely understands why he was dropped by Disney and TH-cam Red. He apologized for being hurtful. He admitted he was wrong. I am not saying what he did was ok or that you should forgive him, I'm just saying you're leaving out part of the story. In addition, this whole fake news thing happening is very dangerous. As much as WSJ and others WERE falsely reporting Pewdiepie, what Trump is claiming is happening is not the same. We cannot lose faith in journalism and media, that is how a dictatorship gets started. Let's all try to be logical and not make sweeping generalizations on things, even if there's a lot of emotion involved.
AdventureBuns literally clapping bc you out my thoughts into a comment lol thx
The MSM does propagate fake news whether it's blatant like in this case, or if it's just demonizing Trump. Trump hasn't done much of anything, and isn't even very ideological, but the MSM act as if he is equivalent to Hitler. Distrusting the MSM doesn't lead to dictatorships. The MSM aren't unbiased, in fact they constantly express their far-left wing biases quite often. There are hundreds of non-MSM news outlets that don't propagate falsehoods for their own political agendas. Personally, I don't trust people or groups that consistently lie and manipulate stories to fit their agendas. I'm not even a fan of Trump. But the Mainstream Media is obviously biased one way.
Marianne Burleson It's as simple as this: Trump has blatantly lied to the public countless times. MSM as you call it has pointed out his lies and used facts and legitimate resources to back this up. Trump has no facts or legitimate resources, in fact he uses BIASED MSM to get his news. Trump would like you to believe, and has seemingly succeeded, that you can't trust the news so that you'll believe anything he says, even when they're not true. A leader trying to create distrust in the media and telling lies to the public which support their own agendas is a technique used by totalitarian dictators. Believe what you will, but like I said, it is very dangerous to go along with the belief that all MSM is false and unreliable.
AdventureBuns I'm not saying I believe Trump, either. However, at least if I hear what he has to say in context out of his own mouth,I think I can decipher the BS myself rather than the MSN telling me how I should think. I haven't trusted the MSM long before it became... mainstream (what the hipster of me lol). I don't trust people or news sources just because that's what you're supposed to do. We need to be critical thinkers and not assume our 'team' always has pure motives while their 'team' is inherently malicious. The MSN has lied, omitted, and distorted the news; Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush... have all done the same, but the MSM conveniently calls out the right more and more deemingingly than the left... There is a clear agenda on both parts, but one is represented fairly (some might say with kid gloves), and the other not so much. We can agree to disagree if you want; it's just my opinion.
AdventureBuns What serious lies has Trump propagated? I can tell you several of the MSM's lies, and some of Trump's, but most of Trump's are petty as far as I know.
I simply love how good of a listener Julian is to Jenna- Dink dink thank you
Jenna, I don't think there was one thing you said in this podcast that I disagreed with. Thank you both for your trueful and honest opinion. :)
This podcast legit gave me chills. Just listening to jenna and julien talk is so amazing. They are truly so intelligent and this whole situation is ridiculous. Amazing podcast!
A podcast with Felix would be cool. Btw guys, I really respect your opinions. I can say that watching your podcasts on TH-cam is a good way of procrastinating for me. Keep going.
Dink fam 💚
Conspiracity theory: every 20 chapters, Jenna Julien talks about this kinds of issues!
129: PewDiePie
149: Jake Paul
169: Logan Paul
and the pattern kinda repeats before #129 :P
annnnd now I'm subbed to pewdiepie.
welcome to the bro army!
same
Fuck media #BrosUnite
Jill Folker good :)
Literally stopped half way through this video to go like and subscribe
My favorite part is when they went to his door and offered him a platform to defend himself after his response.... as if his platform isn't wildly larger than theirs 😂
Ariana Le Bel 雷㝊娜 exactly. And the people who are in WSJs demographic are older typically and don't give a shit about this. It's not relevant to them because this isn't something they sit around and watch. So it's fucking ridiculous man.
JENNA when everyone was meeting Hilary and Obama about a year+ ago, you mentioned your moral opposition and I have never agreed more with a youtuber. I gained so much respect for you for realizing and understanding those politicians were just *using* those youtubers. I don't want to see a home decor channel mentioning how much they agree with ____ politician. Thank you.
agreed
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I agree with you that it was a respectable thing for her to state her rationale for not meeting politicians, but I don't think it's fair for us to act like these youtubers didn't know that they were promoting an agenda. It's our job as consumers to keep that in mind and consider it when we view content. If a youtuber wants to use this platform to further an agenda that is their choice, they should be upfront about it and honest with their viewers. However, as viewers, we've got to be responsible for being critical and thoughtful too. As a platform, we've got to remember that TH-cam owes us nothing. They are a private company that allows users to post media and profits from it, we've got to be the ones making our thoughts known with our viewership and usage. I do 100% support Jenna and Julien and Felix, and she is so sharp to point out her own bias and I wish other content creators would too.
"if your new welcome, if your not dink" lmao why is this so funny??
You're*
= You are*
Whilst I agree that Felix totally got tossed under the bus by MSM, I also disagree with the people in these comments saying, "oh he has a younger audience and a large audience to influence, he should think and watch more what he says."But it's not his job to play parent. It's a parent's job to tell their children what's right and what's wrong and how to handle what is exposed to their children. He shouldn't have to censor himself because some people felt entitled to being offended by a situation they don't fully understand. People see a minuscule scene to a big picture and immediately jump to conclusion. Now I do believe there's a difference nowadays in being offended and finding something to be of poor taste. Nowadays being offended means jumping to conclusions and being biased and not seeing all sides of the story. Whereas finding something in poor taste after seeing all sides of the story and understanding them. So many people "feel offended" today because of click bait articles. How many offensive shows and people out there who spread real hate never get called out for it? I believe this was purely a click bait media grab of attention. How many people of my age and younger even read the WSJ? What better way to become relevant and get those views and that attention even with disgruntled subscribers, than to make a shit show of a scene by taking clips and not explaining the full context. Now other media outlets are seeing this as their own opportunity to cash in on this "controversial" person. This is a huge media shit show right now. It's the topic of discussion for everyone to make money off of through their published articles. Why isn't anyone publishing articles on how anyone will do anything for money nowadays? Why aren't the offended calling out on the actor who played Jesus by saying he should have had the conscience to say no to saying "hitler did nothing wrong"? He knew what he was saying when he made the video. They want to believe he's spreading words that he hates these people and all his subscribers should hate them too. Which is absolutely not even close to what is happening. He's showing us what's wrong with the world and people.
I believe Felix is a genuinely good person with good intentions who has a lot of hate and judgment to deal with from his notoriety and influence. I believe he sees his influence as a chance to show people what is messed up with the world today. I also believe he has a hard job of dealing with people misconstruing what he says and his intentions.
This is really well said I completely agree this is the argument I have been making with friends who feel differently about the situation because this has been the main argument against him that I have heard.
It's the same sentiment that idiots used to try and stop gay marriage.
"How can i tell my child that two men can marry....."
It's there shitty kid and there responsibility to teach him or her right from wrong and about the world. It's not on everybody else.
Jolene Wood 100% agree! Well said👍
Please reproduce we need more people like you
Jolene Wood preach!!
Meanwhile we have a president who says "nazi supporters aren't all bad." *twilight zone music*
Yeah that's a stretch lmao
'All okay or none of them.' -Idubbbz
Jesus Martinez good quote
"and if your not, dink. " love this. rewatching old stuff because i miss Jenna :')
It's probably just the pregnancy hormones but I kept crying because I'm so proud of you! You make me feel so proud to be in the dink fam and to be your "friend". You both are such amazing people and I'm glad to have you both in my life. Even if it's just a tiny bit and through the internet. Your words are encouraging and intelligent and filled with so much passion. I love you both and thank you for this. I stand behind Felix. And I come from Jews!!!
Btw Felix never said to Jesus to say Hilter didn't do anything wrong, The jack spedicicy thing yes but Jesus went rouge with the Hilter thing.
But thank you for seeing how funny it was
Btw got to the BuzzFeed Article... So it disregarded the whole female community?? that are fans of Felix??? and i'm 23? wtf is this. this article is so sexist towards men.
My conspiracy is that, as he was complaining a lot about youtube, they decided to stop giving him all his privileges but they didn't know how to without people thinking they're shit, so they paid WSJ to do the article saying that they pressed YT and Disney, and they walked away with their hands clean.Sorry if my english is not too good lmao.
camila lol this is the type of conspiracy I signed up for
HOLY SHIT JENNA I LOVE YOU
camila Maker hasn't dropped idubbbz, a self proclaimed anti PC person who makes far racier jokes. Conspiracy confirmed lol
Wow this.... is actually very plausible in my opinion. I loved watching this podcast and reading the comments with different points of view. Because I too have been SO angry and frustrated, I just want to witness others being outraged as much as me. I hope the tightness of this community will continue to grow, because it feels amazing to be part of.
Thanks Jenna and Julien for doing this podcast, you did an amazing job and really made some very clear points. You put a lot of work into this one (and all other podcasts as well of course), thank you
100% agree!! TH-cam doesn't need WSJ to write good articles about them, they are theiR OWN GOD DAMNED PLATFORM they dont need WSJ readers to have a good opinion about them bc its different generations that dont get how youtube works anyway so there's no point in them trying to save face and drop Pewds and why would MSM start such a vicious war all of a sudden it just doesn't make sense, and yt, one of the biggest platforms at the moment, could have responded and backed pewds up to illustrate how manipulative mainstream media is but they did the complete opposite. I honestly believe the biggest channel on TH-cam was set up by TH-cam itself. It's better for them to have more small channels that are easier to control, that depend on them more, than big ones with a lot of influence that dont give a shit and can expose them. #IStandWithPewdiepie
My favorite part was when Julien called Trump a moron yes dad preach
Was my least favorite lol.
I'm living for this critical commentary on Lilly, it's everything I've kinda felt in my gut for a long time, but never articulated as well as Jenna did
Veena Singh Right?!
The general topic (for full context) starts around 35:18 and they specifically mention Lilly starting 38:41
me too 😕 but I've had that feeling about 12m subscribers ago...
+OPrincessXJasmineO Sha has 12m now? How? Whatever. Just not my thing maybe some people enjoy her stuff
I love her for her success as a brown girl but I feel like she's sacrificed some of her own integrity along her youtube ascent.
PewDiePie has got me through uni, he kept me company whilst swamped with work. Also you two, I still don't understand why TH-cam creators aren't seen for what they are, normal people with the courage to make themselves entertainers and entrepreneurs.
This is totally my favorite podcast, I love how they give no fucks and always say what they feel and I also applaud Jenna for having such a massive fan base and still not selling her views to corporations who just want to get more control. On the entire Pewdiepie situation, when I just heard the news, as a Jew and someone who had relatives in the holocaust, I was honestly completely offended, but when I saw his video and understood the context over what the media was saying, I got what he meant and no longer felt that way. I feel like people will only listen to what they want and barely anyone who isn't in the TH-cam community will give him a chance because they don't know him as a creator or us as a community and they dont' know that we would never allow comments like his if it wasn't to make a point.
People have a problem with this network because we are all the government's puppets and TH-cam is the exception, even if its own creators are slowly turning that around
I love watching Jenna and Julien pull out actual research and freaking highlight articles...It goes to show how smart they are. I forget sometimes that Jenna has a fucking masters degree.
This was an educating and enlightening podcast. If this is Jenna ranting and not making sense, I'd be terrified of her when she's on her game. Everything here was concise and extremely well stated. So much love and respect for J&J.
I love listening to fired up passionate jenna
My love for Julien went even higher when he pulled out the PewDiePie sub counter
Miss this podcast, they were one of the “good ones” in TH-cam and actually fought for what’s right while making great videos
This is the biggest case of CONTEXT MATTERS. Seeing these so-called "journalists" running a smear campaign against a new generation of media shows that they won't stop until they run other youtubers to the ground. Y'all stay strong and dink fam forever.
I really hope Felix watches this & sees all the love! Btw Jenna - wink back GIRL!!
Literally cannot roll my eyes hard enough at Wallstreet Journal and Buzzfeed responses to a F**KING JOKE.
Still waiting for Felix and Julien collab. Not stream. Actual collab.
On twitter, Felix recently did a little bread making thing where he challenged Julien with baking and people were monsters in the comments and telling Julien he shouldn't associate with him at all
The pewdcast
I'll leave 😂
Jolie Clark go home
Jolie Clark nah, stay
That literally made me lol
Jolie Clark 😂😂😂
The whole thing is shameful. I'm not even what anyone would class a "PewDiePie fan". I give him mad respect for what he has been able to achieve, his content just doesn't interest me 98% of the time. However, it's pretty damn clear where the truth lies here, and Pewds has come out on top of it all (despite Maker and YT throwing him under the bus), because he was/is in the right. Sure his comedy can be offensive, even he says it's no good haha, but there was no malice in his actions, he's not a hateful person. He was just trolling the media for the titles they had already given him.
Dear Jenna,I just got in a really big fight with my parents and your videos and Julian's got me through it. I just wanted to say thanks.
Im sure this has already been said but it is so admirable how much both Jenna and Julien genuinely care about TH-cam, its content and it's community. They are both just amazing people and this podcast was so intelligent and amazing.
You guys actually made me rethink my opinion on this. I still think Felix has a greater responsibility on account of his own power to speak/act in ways that won't harm others. But that doesn't make it right that the WSJ throws their considerable weight against one individual in an effort to discredit the power of new media. I think you're right Jenna - power is key to understanding this, as is motivation. While Felix has power, the WSJ (and trad. media system) has power and intent. Very interesting time to be paying attention to shifts in media, and contesting powers and agendas.
Amanda Wells you should definitely watch his response video where he acknowledges he did wrong and says he realizes he needs to own up to the consequences
Hi Maria, I have - don't worry. Its great that he did own that responsibility, and that when non-community members look into this shemozzle they'll find that fact and perhaps see that the WSJ's representation of the situation as a whole isn't entirely accurate. Its awesome that so many people have made a fuss over the misrepresentation of PDP and of the community by traditional media - hopefully this story will continue to backfire!
Just subscribed to him to support fellow TH-camrs! Can't believe the media completely missed his point of doing this and blew it out of proportion.
Also Jenna, I love hearing about how you don't want to exploit your viewers and try to push ANYTHING on them. You guys are honestly the most genuine, amazing people and TH-camrs.
i was nodding the whole time... this is so accurate.. i'm really glad jenna is supporting Felix.. he really needs it right now.. i'm just really glad. i hope this matter gets solved quickly.. #istandforPewDiePie
Thanks Jenna and Julien for this Podcast and your defense of my beloved Pewds. Brings back my faith in humanity. You two are so wise and gracious😆
I am 100% in support of pewds. I wish all of this wasn't happening.
This was a really good podcast! I know that as TH-cam creators you are biased to that side, but I think you both do a great job of staying open-minded and looking at all the facts. I do think PewDiePie can be offensive at times, but the way the media is vilifying him is absolutely ridiculous. Even when he apologizes, and fully addresses the situation, the media takes that and says he's not sincere. I think he can't win either way with the media, but I hope he continues to do what he does, because what is happening lately is really scary. I'm fearful that we are coming into an era of censorship and control of information. We need to stay informed, and question EVERYTHING the media puts out there.
Here I am, watching this damn near 3 years later, and I never heard of this PewDiePie controversy. I have teenagers who have watched him for years, I've worked in elementary schools. I have never heard word of this until this podcast. It must not have been such a big deal after all, lol.
I truly think that Jenna was very articulate and honest about this and she has an important role to play in this conversation.
As the biggest independent online female creator, using her platform to defend free speech and critical thinking is crucial !!! Kudos to her.
he definitely crossed a line though. like without a doubt. maybe his apology is enough but to suggest everyone should just forgive him and he shouldn't get any consequences is not cool. more youtubers should be held accountable for their actions.
Miriam Brown are you the joke police?
Miriam Brown no I don't agree. Nazi jokes were pretty commonplace 10 years ago. Because the Overton window has shifted it's only now it's socially unacceptable to make politically incorrect jokes. It's fucking stupid. If it's just a damn joke it's nothing more than that. Overly sensitive busy bodies like you are making comedians scared to come onto university campuses. I hate the idea we can be policed so thoroughly for speech. In my country you can be arrested for saying the wrong thing. It's disgusting.
You're the kind of person that gets offended over the phrase "white people" I bet. You don't care about 'harmless' jokes when they're not about you. People are fucking saying Netflix's "Dear White People" is promoting white genocide when it's a fucking reboot of some like 70s show.
You don't make those jokes. It's disgusting. Mark made that video about respecting Felix - what about respecting the people he, though joking, wished death upon?
+JayandNoPlay because, i don't know, _maybe he wasn't actually wishing death upon an entire group of people_? the basis of nearly all comedy is human pain, human suffering, human _tragedy_. laughter is how we recover from tragedy. degrading the image of hitler to the point where he's used in a fucking anime opening should be the _ideal_, _his image is being openly mocked by pewdiepie_, and his intentions have actually been twisted into some absurd worship of nazism.