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- Medieval Old Roman Chant.
Title: "H(a)ec Dies, quam fecit Dominus".
Service: Easter Sunday Vespers
Performers: Ensemble Organum, Director: Marcel Peres
Album: "Chants de l' Eglise de Rome - Periode Byzantine"
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Posted especially after request by Grmario85, who likes Old Roman chant.
Bring back this stuff, Catholics! NOW!
Celegorm Feanorson It's still around, just not as widespread. There are still churches that practice the chants and the Traditional Latin Rite, you just have to look a bit.
Agreed. Mass in the vulgate seemed like a good idea at the time of Vatican II but we need our ancient roots now more than ever.
My uncle is a catholic priest in our Village in Argentina, he sings chants like this and The ceremonial songs in the church are antique songs. Same in sweden where i live now. We Sing the same songs
In an catholic church, not swedish protestant. They have rock bands and whatever the fuck it is
Latin catholics are, and should feel, free to become orthodox. The apostolic nature of the Latin and Greek churches is mutually (one would like to say joyfully proclaimed but) recognised will have to do. .
I'm Oriental Orthodox this is beautiful.
Restore the unbelievers; may the schisms of the Church cease. Strip the vanity of the heretics, and count us all in the unity of godliness. 🙏✝️
Latin is an extremely easy language to learn. It is very organized and simple. Rules are not often ignored, and it can be learned proficiently with about an hour of study a day minimum.
I beg to differ! Those declensions are a pain. I'll take my Germanic articles and prepositions any day.
every language can be learned with an hour a day of work
Yes Latin is just a system, that's all it is.
Yes, if you speak a Romance language already, or a language with many Latin loanwords (like English or Dutch).
@@joshuaclabeaux1470 Hablo español y tengo un problema con las declinaciones.
This is the day the Lord has made;
We will rejoice and be glad in it.
Save now, I pray, O Lord;
O Lord, I pray, send now prosperity.
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!
We have blessed you from the house of the Lord.
God is the Lord,
And He has given us light;
Bind the sacrifice with cords to the horns of the altar.
You are my God, and I will praise You;
You are my God, I will exalt You. Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good!
For His mercy endures forever.
I'd go back to church if this was what they were singing. This is beauty.
In greek orthodox sounds just like this (not russian)
You should be back for your love of God, not (only) for the music they sing.
Go in greek orthodox churches , you will find the same thing
@@Aldrymir Greek, Carpatho-Russian, Serbian, Antiochian all sing more traditional byzantine (and though not byzantine - znamenny/old slavonic) chant styles. Modern Russian chant has taken on 'renaissance' characteristics unfortunately due Nikon/Peter the Tall in the 1600s which majority Catholic and Protestant have also adopted. The removal of the mystical and the replacement with the academic/orchestral styles has only worked to take people further away from the spiritual...
@@Lancia444 I agree 100%!
There are plenty of places where the Traditional Roman Catholic Latin Mass is still said with all the old Chants. I attend one weekly, and am part of the Schola that sings these chants.
Gloria Deo Patri in Excelsis et Filio et Spíritui Sancto; sicut erat in princípio et nunc et semper et in sáecula saeculorum. Amen.
Per ipsum, et cum ipso, et in ipso, est tibi Deo Patri omnipoténti, in unitáte Spríritus Sancti, omnis honor et glória per ómnia sáecula saeculórum. Amen!
Gracias Calixtus por esta joyas . Tu trabajo es de mucha importancia para muchas personas. Saludos
This is The Day The Lord hath made, let us fill it with Rejoicing and Celebration!
Esa voz plena de sentimiento sacro hiere en lo más hondo del alma.
Es lamentable que ya no canten estos temazos en las Iglesias Católicas. El pentecostalismo y la masonería se ha infiltrado
This chant is actually found in the Graduale Romanum (or at least a version thereof with ~90% similarity), and is a popular chant for many Gregorian ensembles. What is different here is the interpretation...here each note is not just simply sung as one count, as most Gregorian ensembles do it, but notes are grouped together in ways that give the chant a much different shape (or "rhythm", as it were). This shape is much more natural sounding to the ear than mechanically interpreting each note as one simple beat, and one wonders if this approach should be more heavily implemented for Gregorian chants across the board...
+grecothegekko There is a whole school of thought that the entire Latin tradition---Gregorian, Old Roman, Mozarabic, Ambrosian---had such rhythm as you propose.
This chant is sung according to a so-called 'Old Roman' manuscript, that transmits a possibly older form of embellished chant. The embelkisments are notated, but few know what to do with it.
Who is the second person in this chant? I would like to find more chants where he is featured because at times his voice sounds almost like an instrument of its own.
@@michaelparsons3007 This was published in 1986. At the time Marcel Pérès was working with Lycourgos Angelopoulos, who sings the Graduale 'Hec Dies' , then Josep Cabré sings the 1 verse 'Confitemini' and Josep Benet sings verse 2, 'Dicat nunc Israel'.There is a group of 'paraphonistae' who sing the ison, the sustained bass-notes of the harmony.
@@michaelparsons3007 That is called the Ison common in Byzantine chant.
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To jest piękne. Boże Kocham Cię.
Thank you for sharing this music and GOD bless!
The Novus Ordo was never supposed to contain guitars and the like. These elements crept in during the confusion after the council. The church has issued many statements affirming the importance of chant and sacred music in the liturgy. The problem is that many parishes and priests refuse to implement the Vatican's vision of what the liturgy should contain.
شكراً جزيلاً سيدي الكريم كالّليكسيتوس لأبداعنا بالطقس القديم والعريق لكنيسة روما ....
Merci infiniment cher Callixtus de nous émerveiller par les mélodies sublimes du vieux chant de l'église de Rome . A entendre ces sonorités des rives orientales de la Méditerranée, on réalise pleinement que nette mer nous réunit, c'st notre salon de rencontre. Toute l'histoire du monde euroméditerranéen a deux pivots: la Rome des bords du Tibre, et l'autre Rome des rives du Bosphore, Constantinople.
Ce vieux chant romain semble venir du fond des âges, de l'antiquité tardive dont les sonorités sont encore présentes dans les anciens patriarcats de l'Orient chrétien
I thought about a month or so ago that it was the first time I heard chants then it hit me when I was in 6th 7th grade was the first time I heard chant music I don't understand the language but it does something to the Soul✌❤
These images (and song) are so beautiful, as they always are. Thank you. Pax†
Это очень чудесное пение! Проникает до глубины души! Спасибо вам большое!
So the faithful can hear the word of God when many do not have the time or ability to learn latin. Yet the chants would be a great thing to re-establish in our modern masses, possibly in vernacular or otherwise integrated as standard sung hymns and songs are now.
Regardless of what church one belongs to.These chants are from God and for God!
sksman Amen
"There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering." ~ Saint Cyprian of Carthage
these chants maybe 'for' god.. but since there is no good credible evidence that there is a god(s).. you cannot claim that it 'comes' from god... many other religions/faiths also have wonderfully emotive and inspiring music 'to' their god.. can I claim that it comes from 'their' god?? Do you believe that 'their' gods are real?
@@alahatzaifat1872
The will's contempt causes the intellect's dissent, which completes the notion of unbelief. Hence the cause of unbelief is in the will, while unbelief itself is in the intellect.
Summa Question 10 Article 2 Reply to Objection 2
The fool hath said in his heart: There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.
@@SATMathReview1234 so basically you are saying that one should not use the logic and reason, the very thing that defines us from the other animals on this earth.. the logic and reason that YOUR god is supposed to have endowed us with.. but to go along merrily as sheep and go where we are lead? Is that what you are saying? No critical thinking? No use of our logic and reason to figure out the gold from the dross? Do you interact with the rest of your world this way? Will you buy the piece of waterfront property I have in Arizona..even if I give it to you for a steal? I think not.. this is the only place the 'believer' suspends his logic and reasoning. Why you may ask? Because the vast majority of believers is indoctrinated into their faith by parents who also in their turn were indoctrinated at a point in our development as children where we absorb everything told to us as 'gospel' (pun intended) as it is built into us so that we learn survival skills from those same parents.. we learn about god and hell at the same time we learn that fire is hot and can hurt us, to heights are dangerous to don't touch that bug, it can sting etc... at that age, we do not question.. we can't.. and these false beliefs are instilled as the core programming.. you do NOT look at the rest of the world and the situations you find yourself in and turn off your logic and reasoning.. ONLY for religious beliefs.
And, as an atheist, I am probably more 'christian' than many self-professed believers. I do charity for the sake of charity, not because I am commanded to do so.. I am surrounded by love in my friends, family and coworkers etc and return that love in duplicate. I am generous with my time and money.. and if you ask anyone who knows me, they would tell you I am a good and loving human being.. yet, no god for me.. so the last point in the verse from your bible is not applicable.. UNLESS to say that no one can be good without being a xtian.. which I hope you are NOT trying to say.. as that would be sanctimonious... and hypocritical.
This piece is just crazy
Vive Jésus, vive mon roi,mon sauveur.....je t'aime ...je t'adore ....garde moi pour toi avec tous ceux que j'aime et te confie....
AWESOME! its really interesting because the high medieval gregorian chant version can be heard in this, but is is saturated in the more ancient, almost byzantine sounding pitches and tones, etc, etc...beautiful!
Rome and Constantinople were in the same empire at one time. All chants are related. Even Muslim chants come from Christian chant which all descend from Jewish chant
I LOVE Old Roman Chant!
I love it!..so powerful!..thanks for posting!
So that people don't fall asleep, little kids don't cry endlessly, and adolescents stop pestering their parents about how boooooring that is and that they "wanna go home or to their buddies'" Guitars and clapping with tambourines is something simple that simple people (most mass goers of these times) can comprehend and feel identified with. I'd love this music to come back as the official ritual too, but I guess that isn't happening any time soon, in the time of plastics, sodas and Justin Bieber
The Orthodox church uses this sort of chants and has been almost unaltered from Christ till' now
Gracias por traernos estas joyas de nuestra fe milenaria y eterna!! Dios te bendiga
Great & absolutely beautiful!! THANKS a lot!
praise be on to the name of the lord we all sin no body is perfect i still stand strong with my faith knowing that jesus is still on my side in his name i pray lord help us all im sorry have mercy
I'm agnostic, But I love this kind of stuff
Bless you!
@@angelaartist7091 No problem..I just love the history of christianity and christ
@@nangibanoshin3041 how can you not believe the amoint of prophecies already foretold by the bible and accomplished right now
@@nangibanoshin3041 plus phd neuroscientists attesting that demonic possesions are real
@@nangibanoshin3041may the omnipotent have mercy and open your ears for The undenible truth
This version is beautiful and otherworldly, yet I find that the later Gregorian Chant version of this gradual more completely makes me feel as though I’ve stepped out of time.
1:50 mosaic from “Basilica di San Vitale” in Ravenna (Italy). Consecrated in 547 and still intact example of Byzantine art (UNESCO World Heritage Site)
Sator Arepo We can not imagine wat great churchies existed in the Eastern Roman Empire,and were destroyed by muslims.
u'r laughing ? Please review ur history before tell mistakes!!
BYyzantine?! Are You kidding us? ah ah You should review art history, Ravenna Mosaics are NOT bizantine, because there was not a byzantine empire still.
Noctys DelRey 547- The empire existed in 395. The mosaics are Byzantine, the mosaics of Justinianus' and his wife are there, stop being a nationalist and give proofs for what you claim.
Its Roman Art by Italians and not byzantine art. This was made by latin romans of their christian art. It was the same as the "Byzantines" because they were ONE EMPIRE and Christianity had the same Art in the West and East, that changed in the renaissance
I love old roman chant
@taliayu It sounds like it, but it is sung in Latin, it is a chant from the time Rome was united with the Holy Church.
Byzantine Chant, just in Latin, right down to setting the tone at the beginning of the chant. Truly beautiful.
Πέστα!
No this is not Byzantine chant. This is Roman chant. In the ancient church, they were similar but you can hear the difference between the chant of Rome and that of Constantinople. I can at least. It's pretty obvious that this is Roman.
@@michaeljcross87 Agreed.
@@michaeljcross87 Eastern Roman empire used Latin as official language until 7th century AD.
Totally wrong. Better not to comment when you don’t know facts. This is the ancient roman chant, directly coming from the jewish ancient chants.
sublime
Blessed be the Lord 🙏
Fantastico... muito bom!
"This day, which the Lord hath made…"
Wow...
This is amazing...
@Winaska and also in the description it is written "'H(a)ec Dies, quam fecit Dominus'"
I think Gregoriant chant just perfected it. It's so calming! Then, in the 60s or so, came the sing-along ditties. Most were from the Bible, it's true, but not music the soul understood and needed--even as beautiful as John Michael Talbot could make them sound. His stuff is fine for a concert or listening to on the CD, but even the beauty of his mild songs and choral powerhouses are not worthy of angelic liturgical music..
As a Catholic, I apologize on the behalf of my fellow Catholics for starting arguments and disturbing the peace. This is contrary to the very music that we are listening to, and the message of Jesus.
May God bless you. Pax
Yeaa,They Are One Church
Yes this is in Latin.
I would like for once to listen to chants regardless of denomination without having to run into people screaming at each other that so-and-so's way of faith is wrong. Maybe it's because I grew up in a multi-denominational family, but I always find it distressing to see that level of hate. As a former anthropology major, I know people have done and still do the most horrific acts of evil to people within and outside their own faiths - that must be aknowledged...and then you take steps to understand how to not repeat that. Denouncing everyone who is not of your particular church is the last thing people should be doing. Take that zeal and try to make positive advancements for people like volunteering in a soup kitchen or helping the forgotten, and I say this as a pessemistic man.
I'd love a multi-denominational church where each denomination's set of discipleship skills would have different roles, but I know it would take a disaster of apocalyptic proportions or a miracle for me to ever see that
@@phoenixrq9139 A catastrophic idea. It is as if you would recommend rivaling African tribes to just get along and put differences aside and have some cake and tea. You can pretend there are no differences but it doesn't mean they don't exist. With the mass schism for the past 200 years we're experiencing something that takes us back to ancient days of Pagan societal structures. By not having a unified empire or church, we lose tremendous spiritual and physical strength. The powers that be know that, that's why our society is becoming more atomized every day, and the coronahoax is a great contributor to it.
Discrimination is the way of men, and the way of God. We discriminate and hate for the greater good, to keep the evil outside forces at bay.
💯💯🙏🏻
This sounds very Byzantine
No surprise as the Roman Catholic Church is, to be honest, an offspring of Orthodoxy. The Pope was the Patriarch of Rome, his protector until Charlemagne being the Byzantine emperor.
KarlMartell732 no, you are wrong
KarlMartell732 actually the eastern sschismatics are the product of Catholicism, the Pope was and STILL is the patriarch of Rome and the east rejected his authority which is witnessed by the patristics and became heretical.
blablabubles Yeah but one question i am Orthodox all of our chants are in this rythm yours,not anymore why?
blablabubles I believe that we must unite as christians ;)
Hermoso himno ortodoxo☦️💜
As an Agnostic, even i have to wonder just what Rome was thinking when they instituted the Novus Ordo mass. Why the hell would you do a Novus Ordo mass with guitars when you can do something like this?
Sacrosanctum Concilium and the documents that promulgated the Novus Ordo never called for guitar Masses. Vatican II said that Gregorian Chant should have "pride of place" in the liturgy, followed by polyphony, with hymns (note: hymns, not just any songs) having third place. Individual bishops and priests decided somehow that that meant that chant was obsolete...
The problem is not the Novus Ordo, but rather the sheer number of Priests who simply did not believe in the Gospel at the time.
@Lysandros Thanks a lot! I agree that its sad that the ison totally disappeared in West. The symbolical value of the chants without ison is in my oppinion lower.
Hodie, si vocem Eius audieritis,
nolite obdurare corda vestra, sicut in exacerbatione
secundum diem tentationis in deserto,
ubi tentaverunt Me patres vestri,
probaverunt et viderunt opera mea quadraginta annis.
beautiful performance. I'd love to see the neumes or notation from which this is performed; it's vaguely similar to the Gregorian versions found in Graduale Romanum, etc., but seems to have enough completely novel sections to rule out the possibility that they're just "riffing" from that version. I also found it very interesting that they sing what sounds like a low "fi" (as at @1:08) (thinking in "la-based minor", the half step below the subtonic), instead of the "fa" that you hear (and read) in the modern Gregorian versions. This makes me think that the real chant was originally in the re-mode, in which case what we are hearing as "fi" is really just the "ti" from the re-mode. For some reason, the modern versions seem to be written with "la" as the final, which makes this note a "fa", but "la" is not really a Gregorian final anyway, so this seems like it was an editorial choice (or error).
shout out to the person who dropped something at 4:09
When I first heard it, I thought it was Lycourgos turning the page.
Do not command others on which we know very little about. You cannot say "one is condemned because he is catholic or protestant" or "because he is orthodox or roman catholic". Leave judgment to Christ. Do to others what you would want done for yourself. Christ says "do not judge unless we bring judgment upon ourselves" so be careful not to judge.
+TheRighteousMight God has already spoken through the Magisterium of his One, Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church., outside of which there is no salvation. We are not 'judging' any man, but repeating the absolute and uncahnging truths revealed by the Holy Spirit.
Catholic Church never changed. maybe Its approach to people changed, but Its Faith Truths and Doctrines, its Holy Essence never changed.
It doesn't matter that the church changes or not. Even time will change and Christ says "Heaven and Earth will pass away and there shall be a new Heaven and a new Earth". It is my belief that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism have the same God, but that is not for me to determine what is true in reality. It is a narrow mind which denies others. If God created all of us, then should we not all be allowed into his kingdom?! Can man determine what God has spoken unless God reveals himself to speak? I tell you the truth, I am a servant of Christ and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, but Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and anyone who is on this earth is one whom I will serve, "For I came not to be served, but as one who serves". About salvation: "Let the dead bury their own dead". It is not our concern of who shall pass judgment upon another. What we must focus on is the task to which we are assigned. Ultimately, it is not for us to say "This one belongs in Heaven, or this one stands condemned". I have my criticisms of the Catholic Church which I share openly: It is hypocritical to create the most wealthy of religious empires and to deny people their salvation from a worldly point of view. They put a label, called "Saints" to those who they deemed "worthy" of salvation, yet how do we, who live on this earth and have never been to Heaven, truly recognize that all of those deemed worthy by the Catholic Church have really been saved? Let God handle our judgment and may he bless all of us, no matter what our beliefs.
+A seeker please explain further how the Catholic Church does not deny Gay People from being married or unbaptized babies from Hell...? I was sure that was a part of the Catholic Church Doctrine which has been practised for thousands of years. It's ok though, it is a human institution made holy through the body of Christ, yet there are, and have been so many problems within the Catholic Church as a whole over the nearly two thousand years it has been in existence. True, Catholicism doesn't deny what is holy, but yet they deny those who do not see their way as the "only way"...
Ok my background in articles from the Vatican is not clear, but it is my understanding that those who choose any other religion, besides Catholic Christianity are condemned by some who are Catholic, just as some who belong to other faiths, such as Islam, or Judaism would condemn for the same reason(s). I also understand marriage as a sacrament, but if that is the case, can we, as human beings, fully understand God as a being...? Is it possible that we will truly know God before we are brought to his kingdom? These are the questions which humanity has contemplated for many thousands of years. Also, I will give an example: I was denied taking the sacrament of the Eucharist into my own hands when offered at a Catholic mass at a church in Rome. Why? Christ says: "It is not a sin to eat with unwashed hands". So why was I denied taking the Eucharist into my own hands instead of being offered by the priest? Should a man be denied Heaven because of the interpretation of a certain priest or clergyman? Is it not Christ who is king of Christianity? I believe Christ is my king and I am a servant, but who are we to deny each other the kingdom?! Christ speaks more on this: "Love one another as you wish to be loved, and pray for those who persecute you". He is they way, the truth, and the life, but I ultimately believe we are given the opportunity to choose our faith. Faith is personal and spiritual; not meant to be secular and sold for worldly profit.
Beautiful. Deus Miserere
@imatrOlda Basically in the tradition anterior to the Gregorian chants, which we call old Roman, as well as some other chants up to, roughly, the 13th century. Then the ison virtually disappears from Western chants, quite sadly I think.
I repeat that the sacking of Constantinople had no relation with religious consideration. It was a political fact. A byzantine faction demanded the support of the Crusaders and Venetians, the Pope Innocent III condemned that because the plan was the struggle against islam, it was not a religious war therefore that fact has no place in a dogmatic/theological discussion. Also the three last patriarchs of Constantinople and the two last Emperors before the fall were Catholic.
shivers!
Keep in mind these chants have not been used since the Middle Ages, when Roman Chant was finally superseded by Gregorian chant. Furthermore, we are hearing professional specialists. I can tell you that attending a Tridentine Mass and hearing an elderly priest's wavering off-key voice is a far impressive experience.
youve been to an orthodox church before?
Was ison usual also in the western tradition ? What period?
ΚΥΡΙΕ ΕΛΕΙΣΟΝ ΜΑΣ
i hear microtones in this chant, like the byzantine. does anyone know how the roman chant was derived from greek chant? and why those microtonal intervals disappeared?
The Byzantine name is misleading, if you went back in time and asked a 'Byzantine' who he was, he would tell you he is Roman. The two cultures are one and the same. Even Constantinople is not the actual name of that city, it was the Latin/Greek nickname for it 'Constantine's City', its actual name was Roma, or Nova Roma, we know it as Rome. In those times, like Alexandria, there was original Rome of Italy and then later Rome moved by emperor Constantine the Great to where Istanbul is today.
This chant done by Ensemble Organum is a reconstruction of what chant MAY have been back in the very early medieval period. Ensemble Organum is attempting to reproduce the ancient chants, by making them closer to the Byzantine chants. We do not actually know for certain if this is what Roman Chant was. Actually, the Gregorian Chant that we are used to today is of the Solesmes School, which claims that this is not what ancient chant was like.
So really, those more Byzantine aspects may have not been lost because they may have never actually been there. The Solesmes school could be correct, or the likes of Ensemble Organum and Marcel Peres could be correct. I'll leave that up to your own personal research to figure out.
Arastoo Mi Untill 750A.C.,the Roman Emperor of Constantinople,was the physical protector of Pope.That time,because of the muslim danger from the east,the Romans,could n't give help to Pope in Italy.He asked help from the Franks,and that leaded to the coronation of Charlomagne.The Frank princes,to disband the Romans from Italy,start to introduce new terms in religion,to diver the Romans of Italy,from the rest Empire.From that point beggins the divertity between East and West.
The microtonals intervals disappeared because of the invention of solfege and gregorian chant has taken them over. It's the same problem with russian folk chant: solfege is killing it. For singing properly this kind of chant you have to forgot occidental music notation. You have to trust your ear and to train it. The chant has to be "like a flying carpet" in the stars...
Wrong. The staff and solfege have nothing to do with it. The handwritten neums of the 800s show no explicit microtonality (or rather 'inter-tonality'). Latin chant has always, so far as anyone can tell, been diatonic, except perhaps for a brief flourish here and there. The codified "microtones" of post-Ottoman Byzantine are not there in early medieval West. If anything like them existed, it's hard to find substantial evidence for it.
On the other hand, we have 1000-year-old theoretical treatises on various manners of tuning, which gave slightly different tones from those of today's equal-tempered 12-steps of the piano, and we could argue these are "microtones". But then we had those same issues in the Baroque too, and they are still considered diatonic. Nothing to do with Byzantine or Turkish microtones in the sense of B-one-third-flat or whatever.
I like this kind of songs. Thanks so much for this video. Please, could you indicate what was key words you used in Google? I want get the the same art figures used in the video. Or perhaps the URL where you took how reference. Thanks in advance.
unfortunately not on iTunes!...darn!
where could I get notes sheet for this?
@taliayu .....i heard another Roman chant that sounded like Serb style! not Greek style, but clearly Serbian vocal style!
Are these old roman chants, chants that were chanted before schism or after?
The manuscript source is post-schism, but the melody is pre-schism. The manuscript this chant comes from is dated in the year 1071, seventeen years after the anathema. But the melodic shape of the chant, together with most Old Roman chants, is identical (well, minus evolutionary development) to that in the Gregorian, which precedes the anathema by at least 200 years (provably) and probably by at least 400 years (scholarly opinion), or maybe more (popular opinion), depending on how you define "Gregorian chant".
Qued? Quad? Quo Vadis Domino? Respectorum... Pace... Seculorum....
Dreadfort, this is what music in the Eastern Orthodox (particularly Greek or Antiochian with Byzantine chant) would sound like. Check one out in your area! :)
Ageless ✍
What century is this from?
14th century
Asthor Kjeldsberg Gripsrud but carried into the 15th and 16th centuries
The manuscript of this rendition is from 1071. The earliest written copy of the chant melody is in the 800s. The melody is believed to stem from even earlier, in the 700s, and is suspected by some scholars to come from the late 600s. The text is from the Psalms.
I don't know where the other guy got the idea this is from the 14th century.
Coemgenus thnx!
luxus .... 1+++ :)
I don't think it's really discretion. Facts are stubborn things.
As for the rest of the comment I don't think I quite follow... I already pointed out that all the churches I mentioned above were desecrated by their "transformation" into something else that their intended, original, and consecrated purpose. Whether they were turned into mosques, museums or banks is irrelevant.
roman catholicism, if she is willing to return to her past both in theology and church practice, then re-join the past communion established with her sister, the Orthodox east... gloria patri et filio et spiritui sancto, sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum.. amen!
Eh;
I had already stated that Hagia Sophia was turned into a mosque along with all those other churches... so.... I'm still missing the "small mistake in identification."
With regards to the rest, whether you are religious or not, or I'm religious or not, IS irrelevant. The churches were desecrated (by the actual definition of the word) when they were turned into something else. Let's not get lost in semantics.
@acerb45666555 The Romans cannot ''copy'' the serb style because they are older christians than serbs!!! The roman catholic orthodoxy has more history!
get out into the streets , with the poor and suffering, the children who are crying and bring this to them...it won't matter what part of the church you are from....Zeal for my Father's House consumes me
Seems like the old Roman chants feels more like they are way over doing the word chants on each word... I think they are called....
Scitne aliquis litteras, aut ubi eas inveniamus?
So this is so funny. Reading what u wrote here and there. The Holy Book is universalt for all christian faith and partly even for jewish faith and islam. However going back in time, the reason whit this songs seem byzantine is because they were as such. Till the great "schism" there was only one church of God , mainly greek (yes, sorry for latin lovers but all the gospels were first translated to old greek). and later on latin since translating between these two languages is not that diffcult. So practically what you are hearing here is some old roman song translated from old greek in the times there was only one universal Christian church. And what can it is really funnt reading all this comments in which everybody tries to show the love for God , though it is the same for all of us. P.S. : i am romanian so closer to romance language , but as for faith i go onto the greek side, and i don't think this is a freakish situation, just something we should all aspire to.
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@mackbee628 Greetings from France. I'm Traditionalist Catholic sedevacantist, the true catholic faith will win!!!
Unfortunately had they not been taken, many relics would have been lost forever when the City fell to the Turks.
Even the Necene creed is a little different from the first Symbol of the Apostles, and you must also know that after the first Council of Nicea the other Councils made enrichments. You can study the various versions of the Creed after every Council, you will find enrichments INTO the spirit of the faith, otherwise all the definitions of doctrines are the work of the councils. And many times Constantinople tried to change the creed in an heretic sense: px Council of Sardica 443.
@MrAntiReligiones
Graduale. Ps. 117, 24 et 1.
Hæc dies, quam fecit Dóminus: exsultémus
et lætémur in ea.
℣. Confitémini Dómino, quóniam
bonus: quóniam in sǽculum misericórdia
ejus.
Allelúja, allelúja.
℣. 1. Cor. 5, 7.
Pascha nostrum immolátus est Christus.
the word is Haec, not Hec
in the oldest manuscripts both versions are found.
it is correct
DSmolievskaya;
Unfortunately what you say isn't true. Many if not almost all churches, excluding Hagia Sophia were converted into mosques. Just to name a few: the "Church of the Holy Apostles," the,"Chora Church," the Church of the Saints Sergius and Bacchus (little Hagia Sophia)" and the "Church of Christ Pantokrator" just to name a few. Many, too many holy sites were thus desecrated.
As awesome as Old Roman Chant is, this is before medieval Latin, so it would be nice if they could pronounce their c's right. In Late Latin it's still a hard "k" sound not a "ch" like medieval Latin.
Wrong. It's from 1071, so at the time this manuscript was sung from, it would have been a "ts", as in Medieval Latin. The c before i shifted from 'k' to 'ts' sometime in the late 5th or 6th century.
You can still find churches who do this if you look hard enough.
I have to agree with the Orthos here. If you go to any Orthodox Church today they will be signing the same chants, doing the same liturgy. Go to any RC church today and it's basically an atheist factory.
So?
Jesus/God is/are the church ;*
So that agnostics would lose the monopoly for playing guitars! )
Still think Orthodox chant is better. But this isn't half bad. Very few modern (post say 1900) spiritual songs have any appeal to me. Although some of the contemporary shape note composers have guy the mark pretty close.
@mackbee628 This is how in the Eastern Orthodox church sing :) Orthodoxy is the only church which keeps the tradition alive :)
But I thought "diēs" was masculine?
It can be either, sometimes distinguished by meaning
DAMIANVS
You have my sympathies and i thank you also for the discussion. But the filioque is an enrichment and as the other enrichments of the Church, and the infallibility of the Pope is the high expression of the infallibility of the Church promised by Jesus Christ to the Apostles. But the ''Eastern Church'' committed heresies: arianism, nastorianism, monophysism and monothelitism, and if you consider the efforts of union as an error, so you tell that even the ''eastern'' Church is fallible.
Stop bickering and do something to address the Threat we all face from the Islamic Hordes.The people could do with some guidance From OUR churches that face reality. All we get instead is the Pope saying we have to Respect the "Religion of Peace". Do something for Christs sake.