it's funny how the first ever car with wings (Matra) is the first one to not go into the barriers, which kinda counts as taking it flat, Downforce definately helped drivers to not die (at least not in Eau Rouge/Radillon) but Ricardo Zonta and Jacques Villeneuve are missing XD
@@dinhospring sorry for being right, acting like everyone needing air protection for a slower engine matters at all is just grandpa behaviour. Nostalgia talking, nothing else.
Eau Rouge was changed significantly in 1995. Straight after the change, the cars were taking it flat. After grooved tyres they couldn't take it flat until around 2001 when they took it flat again. Eau Rouge used to be very bumpy and tighter so it was risky to take it flat and the car would unsettle so drivers just didn't want to take that risk
@@jann1k_MSC47 you only need enough power to get up the hill, having too much power and speed but not enough grip would result in you understeering. Aero is basically downforce, aero efficiency isn't really necessary. As long as you have good enough wings, light enough car and good tyres and enough power to get up the hill, you good
Renault R-25 McLaren Mercedes MP4-19,20 Williams BMW FW26 were much faster than F2004 even those sounded better than F2004 F2004 is overrated Maybe F2004 looks great
Nice comparison! The fastest car of them all is the Mercedes W11 unexpectedly, but to see how much better it is compared to the Red Bull RB19, was a surprise. The Mercedes W11 was going 318 km/h with 5.43 G turn, whereas Red Bull RB19.only did 294 km/h with just 4.28 G turn. That is just crazy how much slower the fastest F1 car of 2023 is compared to the Mercedes W11.
The 2023 Redbull is amazing in every way, especially with Max. But the 2020 W11 is the most impressive F1 car ever created. If the FIA hadn't changed the floor rules and let the 2020 cars develop one year longer I wonder what the W12 could have been.
I love how starting with the 66 Lotus the cars just start progressively screaming louder. Until the rule changes of 2013 of course, but they’re getting louder again it seems
Its pretty funny actually that the RB19 is also the car that DID NOT take it flat out in the actual race! Did you know that both Max and Checo lifted in that corner? There has been theories about it on why they did it but apparently they did it to save the floor from bottoming too much. So they were slower through there than most but they were so much faster on the rest of the track that it was the way to go for them. Pretty crazy.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL yeah. But it also makes perfect sense that its about the suspension and right height. Especially now that we know how badly they did on the most bumpy track on Singapore.
The Early 70’s and the Early 2000’s is probably my favorite sounding eras of F1 cars. My favourite 70’s car was the matra and my favorite 2000’s car was the F2004
Amazing video as always mate, I'm only going to make an appointment: the 1988 McLaren MP4-4 was said to have 685 PS/504 kW of peak power in qualifying and around 620 PS/456 kW in race trim. I read it in an official Honda bulletin some time ago
Why use McLaren skins on the 1990 and 2000 Ferrari's? Why not use the official Ferrari F138 for 2013 and SF70H for 2017 instead of the RSS 2013 and 2017?
2:47 The 1980 Williams F1 car, which is the one showed here, is the FW07B (At the beginning of the season it was the FW07 and was evolved to be the FW07B). The FW09 was the 1983-1984 car.
This is a great comparison video. It will be useful for the younger generation as it lists not only the appearance and sound of F1 machines by era, but also the changes in specifications. For an older Japanese like me, I am not very familiar with F1 before 1987, when the F1 boom arrived in Japan with the success of McLaren Honda, so I am overwhelmed by the 1986 specifications. 1200 horsepower with a turbo engine without boost pressure limit is truly insane. In the mid-1980s, when the power of turbo engines reached its peak, and in the mid-1990s, when the evolution of high technology reached its peak, motorsports had a long-standing monument (at the same time, it was a daredevil era where human life was not valued much 😢), but it is amazing that it has reached that level again with a machine that is safer after 30 years.
The 1994 Benetton couldn't go flat out in that year, as they build a tirewall chincane just before going uphill. However Mick Schumacher did go kinda flat out in that car, 2 years ago.
IRL drivers started trying to go flatout only by the mid to late '90s, and only those driving top cars. Then there's the dumb challenge Villeneuve and Zonta pulled on each other during 1999 qualifying session: daring each other to take the corner complex flat out. With a BAR. Of course they both crashed heavily into the barriers.
It's interesting to see the top speeds change through the years. Only a few to go over 312kph & they aren't in line. It jumps a couple years of 299-304 then another 310+
I'm pretty sure Hakkinen went flat out in 2000 on the lap he did the famous double overtake on Schumacher and Zonta. He was running a lower downforce set up compared to Michael so his best chance at overtaking him was in the straights.
Just goes to show how incredibly bonkers F1 always was. Endurance Prototypes have come a long way (I think they've been taking Eau Rouge flat for a good while now) but I don't think you could compare them even when F1 returned to Spa in '83, let alone in '79 (of course, the endurance cars could actually run for a while, as opposed to blowing up at moment's notice)
So basically after 1970 everyone worked out the kinks and managed to make cars to take Eau Rouge-Radiliion flat out, i swear car designers and engineers will forever confuse me
Mmm i would say remenber radillon is very diferent before this era, radillon is almost more risk in those year and now become more easy to take with full throtle
I wonder if the early 1950 f1 cars had slick tires (but it has to be similar to motoGP compounds to allow sliding because it wasn't designed with downforce)
The early cars would have stood a better chance if they were driven correctly. You can't just turn in like you would in a car with aero, or else you get nothing but understeer because they have no aero/downforce and they rely on mechanical grip instead. You have to flick them in and steer through the corner with the rear end of the car, using the trhottle to push the car round the corner rather than the steering to pull it around the corner, almost like you are drifting it. I'm not saying that any of them would have made it through the corner without lifting, but they would have got a lot closer
Would that then not count as taking it flat? Todays cars arrive with throttle pinned thus “keeping it flat” if he has to modulate the throttle in order to twitch the car into the corner I’d personally say that isn’t flat
in that 1967 lotus 49 you might just be able to do it depending on the angle because it looked like it was going to make it without hitting the wall and then it got airtime which messed it up
Which is your favourite F1 era?
'16
Ground Effect era ('78-'82)
Like everything in life, the 90s. Looked and sounded fantastic!
1998-2008 & 90s are the Best era's but love all ❤
1998 to 2012
it's funny how the first ever car with wings (Matra) is the first one to not go into the barriers, which kinda counts as taking it flat, Downforce definately helped drivers to not die (at least not in Eau Rouge/Radillon)
but Ricardo Zonta and Jacques Villeneuve are missing XD
This Matra should be March 701,Mayra MS120 use V12 engine
"This time I flipped, so it was a bonus"
Yeah but this eau rouge is not the same as in 1999
@@Casherr93 this definately explains how they got through it flat out
btw lovely profile pic
@@manufaustino316 thanks mate!! Yup, that corner was faar tighter back then, but maybe today cars could take it flat out
_This was definitely just an excuse so we could appreciate the look and sound of those classic F1 cars and im all for it._ 😭
Ikr
The annoying noise, so glad it’s over
@@ferst262someone wants to be special
@@ferst262 weak bait bro
@@dinhospring sorry for being right, acting like everyone needing air protection for a slower engine matters at all is just grandpa behaviour. Nostalgia talking, nothing else.
Eau Rouge was changed significantly in 1995. Straight after the change, the cars were taking it flat. After grooved tyres they couldn't take it flat until around 2001 when they took it flat again. Eau Rouge used to be very bumpy and tighter so it was risky to take it flat and the car would unsettle so drivers just didn't want to take that risk
Hakkinen was the first flat in 2000
Doing it flat out in real life is different to doing it in a game.
Older cars : No
Until...
1979 Lotus : Yes
the key for this corner is aero.
the key is weight, downforce and tyres
The key is all Power , Aero , weight , downforce and tyres .
@@jann1k_MSC47 you only need enough power to get up the hill, having too much power and speed but not enough grip would result in you understeering. Aero is basically downforce, aero efficiency isn't really necessary. As long as you have good enough wings, light enough car and good tyres and enough power to get up the hill, you good
The key is the car
The key is the size of the driver's balls.
I made a list of the top speeds when entering the hill 🏎️
✖️1950 - 210kph 00:35
✖️1956 - 227kph 00:45
✖️1962 - 215kph 1:10
✖️1963 - 253kph 1:30
✖️ ✔️1970 - 256kph 1:50
✖️✔️1975 - 262kph 2:10
✔️1979 - 250kph 2:30
✔️1980 - 284kph 2:50
✔️1986 - 303kph 3:03
✔️1988 - 274kph 3:20
✔️1991 - 296kph 3:33
✔️1994 - 314kph 3:55 🥈
✔️1997 - 297kph 4:07
✔️2000 - 303kph 4:20
✔️2004 - 304kph 4:44
✔️2007 - 304kph 4:59
✔️2009 - 312kph 5:15🥉
✔️2013 - 298kph 5:36
✔️2015 - 314kph 5:55🥈
✔️2017 - 308kph 6:09
✔️2020 - 322kph 6:24 🥇
✔️2023 - 299kph 6:42
🐐
that 2020"s Merc is truly the best F1 car ever made!
37 years ago, they were faster than today😄
@@badz1497yet
Its just not realistic
You know it when you see the Lotus with gigantic sidebox for ground effect.
Easy to try today.
Try with the configuration used until 2001,with the wall left to Raidillon 5 metres far from the track!
and no runoff area, just grass and gravel traps
The W11. What an incredible piece of machinery
Dirty downforce engine merchant
The 2020 W11 is a MASTERPIECE. I love that F1 car so much. It has a special place in my heart.
It has grown on me the last few months too. It might still be the fastest F1 car in 30 years. Legendary.
My heart beats faster every time I see and hear the F2004, what an absolutely glorious machine.
Renault R-25 McLaren Mercedes MP4-19,20 Williams BMW FW26 were much faster than F2004 even those sounded better than F2004
F2004 is overrated
Maybe F2004 looks great
@@Smzxe you're weird and wrong
@@Dave-ng3km who held fastest pole laps on history? 2004 Willaims FW26 or F2004
Williams FW26 and McLaren MP4-20 had best V10 sound better than F2004
@@Smzxewell, who won the championship? Which one the most remembered one? Yess, F2004 !!!
@@Smzxesf71h:
w11:
Respect to all eras completing EAU ROUGE flat out!
It's cool seeing how only the winged ones were able to take Radillion though
Was about to comment on that aswell
The cars look massive by the end. They are driving buses around now compared to the karts they used to be
Nice comparison!
The fastest car of them all is the Mercedes W11 unexpectedly, but to see how much better it is compared to the Red Bull RB19, was a surprise.
The Mercedes W11 was going 318 km/h with 5.43 G turn, whereas Red Bull RB19.only did 294 km/h with just 4.28 G turn.
That is just crazy how much slower the fastest F1 car of 2023 is compared to the Mercedes W11.
Thank you!
The 2023 Redbull is amazing in every way, especially with Max. But the 2020 W11 is the most impressive F1 car ever created. If the FIA hadn't changed the floor rules and let the 2020 cars develop one year longer I wonder what the W12 could have been.
the w11 was absolutely crazy
Fastest car ever
Imagine the W12 with a illegal 2019 ferrari engine and another year’s worth of development
Yeah the 2020 W11 was amazing in every way especially with Lewis.
Noticed the 2023 red bull manages Eau Rouge at 290, same speed as 1991 McLaren MP-6, while the Brawn GP does 310, a car 14 years older.
I love how starting with the 66 Lotus the cars just start progressively screaming louder.
Until the rule changes of 2013 of course, but they’re getting louder again it seems
rule change was in 2014
The W11 was a monster of a car
The 1991 and 2000 McLarens are actually Ferraris 😂
What are you talking about
@@tijmendr9006 the car models are of the Ferrari 641 and F1-2000 with McLaren liveries
@@ventisette. they got the right engine sounds and steering wheels tho
@@tijmendr9006no, those are also 100% Ferrari
@@ventisette. proof
In 1999, Villeneuve and Zonta had an agreement to go flat out at eau rouge. Both had an horrific crash. Nobody else tried it that year.
Yeah, it clearly didn't work. Eau Rouge was very different back the though. Even a touring car can take it flat nowadays
the gap from The W11 to the RB19 is ridiculously large
W11 passed that corner in 315-320 km magnificent
Its pretty funny actually that the RB19 is also the car that DID NOT take it flat out in the actual race! Did you know that both Max and Checo lifted in that corner? There has been theories about it on why they did it but apparently they did it to save the floor from bottoming too much. So they were slower through there than most but they were so much faster on the rest of the track that it was the way to go for them. Pretty crazy.
Yeah that's what I heard too. But let's be honest, they did that because they could afford to lift even on the straights 😂
@@THEWINDTUNNEL yeah. But it also makes perfect sense that its about the suspension and right height. Especially now that we know how badly they did on the most bumpy track on Singapore.
The Early 70’s and the Early 2000’s is probably my favorite sounding eras of F1 cars. My favourite 70’s car was the matra and my favorite 2000’s car was the F2004
I’m glad you actually full send it and not slow down like most TH-camrs.
I tought the 1962 lotus will make it somehow
Next time: which era of F1 cars can take Pouhon flat
2020 w11 only
it is incredible how much heavier the cars got in the last 20 years, from a little more than 600 kg to nearly 800 kg
Would be a great engineering challenge to get them back down to 600, just have em lose 13-14 kg every year for 15 years. Would be really interesting
@@jichaelmorgan3796well, thats gonna happen in the 2026 era
Amazing video as always mate, I'm only going to make an appointment: the 1988 McLaren MP4-4 was said to have 685 PS/504 kW of peak power in qualifying and around 620 PS/456 kW in race trim. I read it in an official Honda bulletin some time ago
Thanks! :)
2009 button V8 sounded simply lovely
Bring. Back. The. V10’s.
Why use McLaren skins on the 1990 and 2000 Ferrari's? Why not use the official Ferrari F138 for 2013 and SF70H for 2017 instead of the RSS 2013 and 2017?
2:47 The 1980 Williams F1 car, which is the one showed here, is the FW07B (At the beginning of the season it was the FW07 and was evolved to be the FW07B). The FW09 was the 1983-1984 car.
1988 McLaren sounds like the cars in 2020
My girl be thinking I’m cheating but this really what I be doing/watching 😂
The boys 😎
Former driver Pedro de la Rosa said that It was a easy flat out corner from 98 season onwards even with grooved tires
This is a great comparison video. It will be useful for the younger generation as it lists not only the appearance and sound of F1 machines by era, but also the changes in specifications. For an older Japanese like me, I am not very familiar with F1 before 1987, when the F1 boom arrived in Japan with the success of McLaren Honda, so I am overwhelmed by the 1986 specifications. 1200 horsepower with a turbo engine without boost pressure limit is truly insane. In the mid-1980s, when the power of turbo engines reached its peak, and in the mid-1990s, when the evolution of high technology reached its peak, motorsports had a long-standing monument (at the same time, it was a daredevil era where human life was not valued much 😢), but it is amazing that it has reached that level again with a machine that is safer after 30 years.
Thank you buddy, great comment!
Love the g meter 👍
That's Radillion actually.
Every era can take Eau Rouge flat.
Was looking for this 😂
It's "Raidillon de l'eau rouge"
Shame the 1999 BAR wasn’t included
Saw what you did there...
The 1994 Benetton couldn't go flat out in that year, as they build a tirewall chincane just before going uphill. However Mick Schumacher did go kinda flat out in that car, 2 years ago.
4:40 the definitive Ferrari
I dint notice I wasn't breathing until sometime in the video when I randomly felt weaker
that mclaren by mika that engine sound was top notch accurate. reminded me of mika vs schumi in 2000
This proves that Lotus in late 80s was ahead of its time
IRL drivers started trying to go flatout only by the mid to late '90s, and only those driving top cars.
Then there's the dumb challenge Villeneuve and Zonta pulled on each other during 1999 qualifying session: daring each other to take the corner complex flat out.
With a BAR.
Of course they both crashed heavily into the barriers.
Cooll story that one. Eau Rouge is much faster since the 2003 renovation.
Fun fact: Its radillon, eau rouge is the bland left turn before the right turn, aka radillon
It's interesting to see the top speeds change through the years. Only a few to go over 312kph & they aren't in line. It jumps a couple years of 299-304 then another 310+
its a game
F1 cars didn't start taking eau rouge flat out until around 2010, I remember the bar drivers trying it in 1999 I think.... both crashed
It has always been easy flat since it go reprofiled
I'm pretty sure Hakkinen went flat out in 2000 on the lap he did the famous double overtake on Schumacher and Zonta. He was running a lower downforce set up compared to Michael so his best chance at overtaking him was in the straights.
I have a suggestion for the next film. The race with the fastets car from different motorsport seriers.
📝
Just goes to show how incredibly bonkers F1 always was. Endurance Prototypes have come a long way (I think they've been taking Eau Rouge flat for a good while now) but I don't think you could compare them even when F1 returned to Spa in '83, let alone in '79 (of course, the endurance cars could actually run for a while, as opposed to blowing up at moment's notice)
*cough* ferrari *cough*
You can see that in game cars Re much fastrr than irl, i think taking it flat out wasnt possible till like 2001 or 2002
That's because the corner was tighter before. It was reprofiled in the early 2000s
The MP4/6 was just a 91 ferrari with 1990 McLaren Livery on it, but still similar and therefore valid :)
1st Car taking Eau Rouge Radillon Flat is the 1979 Lotus. Taking this corner flat means without leaving the Track (cutting)
great example for how wings work. without wings and slow speed no chance. with wings and a lot more speed... full gas and nearly zero problems.
Remember guys: THE MAIN KEY IS AERO!
Don't forget in the early days races used to go down hill at radillon into eau rouge, not up. How scary would that have been
Ferrari 312 is such a strange looking car but in the other hand the 312 t2 was a piece of art
Who doesn’t love the sound of the engines in the mid 2000s mental
That “Matra MS120” is actually a March 701, and the Williams is an FW07B
Raidillon is what you mean, not Eau Rouge
The Lotus 79 was actually the car used in the 1978 season, not 1979.
It competed during the 1979 season
No. The Lotus 79 won the 1978 WC, and competed also during '79.
This is cool but i would like to see more of a race setup because these cars seam way to stable going up
These are on qualy setups which are edgier than race setups
Could you give me a link to that Benetton mod?
So basically after 1970 everyone worked out the kinks and managed to make cars to take Eau Rouge-Radiliion flat out, i swear car designers and engineers will forever confuse me
Mmm i would say remenber radillon is very diferent before this era, radillon is almost more risk in those year and now become more easy to take with full throtle
2004 V10 Sound is something else
It will be interesting to put modern slicks on old F1 cars, maybe with a mod.
I remember when everyone hated the halo, now F1 cars look weird without it
I wonder if the early 1950 f1 cars had slick tires (but it has to be similar to motoGP compounds to allow sliding because it wasn't designed with downforce)
Slick tyres were introduced in the early 70s, i think.
IT IS RADILLON GOD DAMN!
every vehicle can go flat out thru eau rouge, it is only the lower part.. the mouse trap
Bro, do you even lift?
No, I'm simracer!
I believe Häkkinen was the 1st or 1 of the 1st to take it flat. I remember it was like 2000 or 2001.
Can you do gt cars next ?
that benetton sounds fucking unreal
Summary : Technology beyond 1979 can pretty much take it.
Try a car from every racing series against Talladega
Only the 2020 Mercedes was able to beat the Benetton of Schumacher from 1994...he peaked at 314 through EAU ROUGE, Mercedes at 320
now do Pouhon xD
1:46 This Matra should be March 701,Mayra MS120 use V12 engine
: can take flat out
1967 lotus 49 is my favorite F1 car
Wonderful machine!
Whoa my favorite one is w11 which made the fastest lap at spa
Cool video, but is that 1994 Benneton really that quick? Faster than a lot of 2000-2023 cars?
That's Radillion actually.
that’s raidillon actually
Bro they be doing niki dirty with that helmet
Fuck!
The w11 is a beast. 200mph through Eu Rouge is insane
The early cars would have stood a better chance if they were driven correctly. You can't just turn in like you would in a car with aero, or else you get nothing but understeer because they have no aero/downforce and they rely on mechanical grip instead. You have to flick them in and steer through the corner with the rear end of the car, using the trhottle to push the car round the corner rather than the steering to pull it around the corner, almost like you are drifting it.
I'm not saying that any of them would have made it through the corner without lifting, but they would have got a lot closer
Would that then not count as taking it flat? Todays cars arrive with throttle pinned thus “keeping it flat” if he has to modulate the throttle in order to twitch the car into the corner I’d personally say that isn’t flat
1991 wins the noise battle.
the fact that the 2000 era to the 2007 era had over 50 g in acceleration 😂
W11 taking it with 320 km/h like it's nothing
that mantra sounded GODLY jeez
the 1970 "Matra" is actually a March
Bro,this song >>>
My man experimented going flat out with the w11😂😂😂
What happened to the lotus 72
So starting in the 1970s, the cars can go flat up AT LEAST without touching the wall.
in that 1967 lotus 49 you might just be able to do it depending on the angle because it looked like it was going to make it without hitting the wall and then it got airtime which messed it up
That Lotus 98T the first to take it at 300 kph 💪🏻💪🏻
Did that W11 Merc took it flat out at 320kph??? Goodness me others are like F2 cars compared to W11's grip!
We went to the moon before we could go flat at Eau Rouge
Man, that's a crazy fact, never thought of it