One quick note for the 'gotcha' crowd: This knife arrived before the 'No Limited Editions' policy took effect, and in part due to pressure from the community, I'm hearing rumbles from CKF postings of a Titanium and CF version of this in 2021. So, looks like it might not be so limited after all. Still, this won't be eligible for knife of the year, given that this configuration is limited.
Fair enough, and thanks for the note; However, pointing out that a new video you uploaded goes directly against a "channel policy update"-that you yourself posted not long before- isn't necessarily 'gotcha' behavior. It's simply pointing out the clear contradiction. In other words, why so defensive? chill!
Heh, I mentioned this knife in that video, as a knife that was already on the table. But yeah, I’m just tired of the cottage industry of commenters out to find ways that I’m wrong.
Honest question: would it be going too far to say that limited edition (non-custom) knives can't obtain gem status? Gem is a such a high praise coming from you, and carries so much weight in the community, whether you want it to or not, that giving gem status to a knife you would deride for being a limited edition feels almost like it negates the complaint in the first place. Either way I guess it's just food for thought. Keep up the great content, Nick. Even if this knife isn't accessible to us plebs, your reviews are!
Too rich for my blood. Maybe it's all in my head, but I feel like the channel has been trending to the higher end these past few years. Nothing wrong with that, but maybe I'm no longer the target demographic. To me, $300 is an expensive knife. I don't think I could justify $590. Nick and the content are still stellar.
@@LVPittinsberg He did. In another thread he commented "This arrived before that policy, and CKF has now stated that another run of these is coming in 2021" Still not something I'm going to put on my shopping list ;)
Absolutely agree. $200 is my limit. Can afford higher but see no reason for it. I've been watching these since less than 5k subs. Lately, I find that I don't finish the videos. They're extremely well done, but it's gone past my interest. I buy knives to use. Sometimes hard use. Just can't justify a $300-$500 knife for anything other than sitting on a shelf. And, I'd rather pay that price for other things that won't fade away when the trendy appeal goes away. Honestly, if the makers can't figure out how to make something other than titanium framelock flippers, I'm just browsing anymore.
Seeing what is going on with high end custom and production knives is a good way to keep track of what options and design flourishes are out there. Nick's review of the Ressenti Druid was one of the things that drew me into following the knife world and picking up some modern folders even though there is zero chance of me ever buying anything made or even just designed by Ressenti.
Hi Copper: Yeah, it's been an expensive couple of weeks, but I've got a ton of great budget knives coming up. Trust me, I'm still just as happy to find gems under $100
@@NickShabazz I'm really glad to hear that. I've been a subscriber since November 2015 (brag) and your channel has been a consistent source of of joy in my life. Just a thought, but have you ever considered putting a cap on the MSRP of knives you'll allow manufacturers (or others) to provide? I sincerely appreciate the charitable aspect of the current arrangement, but I wonder if these manufacturer provided knives increase the average price-point of the knives you review. I imagine a $590 knife is less likely to get reviewed if it would require a purchase with channel funds. Obviously, this is your channel and you put a considerable amount of your time, money, thought, and emotion into it... so I will kindly STFU if I have overstepped.
Just picked up a full TI version of this secondhand (because where else would I get one...). Pretty excited. Snagged it for $440 at LNIB and honestly I think that's pretty darn good. If it lives up to my expectations, WayOfKnife will be getting this one ASAP and it will honorably sit among the few knives that will never leave my collection.
These actually have dropped here and there every so often, I have a brand new one headed my way right now from knife center and cranes cutlery/ncblade both had some, they go fast though.
For the price, the condition of the carbon fiber is unacceptable to me. I don't have an issue with spending that much, but the knife better be damned perfect. When budget makers can do carbon fiber right, there's no excuse for this one.
Please do the Chaves Ultramar rendicion street 228, best knife I have ever handled. American design with Reate build quality. Amazing design with amazing build quality for a decent price. It’s a no brainier IMO. I would send you mine but ...... you need your own.
And issues with the blade rocking while closed, possibly due to imprecise tolerances between the detent ball and hole. Check Epic Snuggle Bunny's video
My fif20 has none of these problems present, literally my idea of a perfect knife. The detent is tuned so perfectly that you can thumb/reverse flick without thumbstuds
That cutout along the spine of the handle scales makes me think they were originally going with a normal flipper. Maybe a small roller tab style so it's still flush with the rest of the spine when closed. Still looks really cool.
I would love for them to explore more color options that the original French designer has did. It’s hard to be super wow when the FIF23 was amazing and hyped up and this is just another variation of it. It’s a solid knife for the price imo. As usual you are very honest reviewer that can be trusted.
Sorry not a gem. For $600, that cf is ATROCIOUS! I am ok with the pattern but those voids! Also the fact you have to tweak the clip, sorry no, no & no.
There are mostly 3 types of collectors: 1) love knives under $3-400, collect anything, can't see paying this much 2) love knives under or around $1000, appreciate more expensive stuff, but aren't there yet 3) have been thru stages 1 & 2, seek out the customs, and relish the hunt as much as the kill. This is a solid 2nd stage knife. I know you don't like limited editions, but they are here to stay, and quite frankly not all limiteds become collector items. Some designs and executions stand the test of time, become collectible, and increase in value. MOST do not. Even most customs don't gain in value after the initial bump of excitement after release. Get over it! Enjoy the mass produced gems, the limited edition gems, and the custom I'll-never-be-able-to-afford gems. Me? I'm gonna do my best to score an example of this gem. If I don't, life will continue.
The voids in the carbon fiber look like a failure to vacuum out the air bubbles after the resin was injected to stabilize the CF material, during its manufacturing.
Snagged one today. Only just saw this video and the carbon fiber does look disappointing. Just more reason to find someone to make some classy custom scales for it. Paper micarta maybe?
Beautiful knife. Impressive. Love the blade and just the right beefy-ness for me. Shame about the balance and the other details, otherwise I would be tempted to start putting the substantial amount of money in my knivebox... Although it would probably be sold out before I get to 580$.
IU speak from experience, while this looks great, see that point that would sit right on the inside of your knuckles when you grip the knife? When you are cutting something, that area (where the point is on the handle) pushed really hard into your hand. its a shame they thought we deserve that lol
A TwoSun TS129 is a pretty similar knife under $100 for budget seekers. I had to sand a bunch of edges on the blade to get it to my liking, but if you have tougher thumbs you might not care. whitemountainknives.com/twosun-ts129-frame-lock-knife-titanium-carbon-fiber-handle-plain-edge-blade/
i like so much that you go against the limited editions even tho you always get em in hand because you are ''famous'' in the knife world. i hope that you going against it hurts companys enough to stop doing it! and i got a feeling like it will change them a bit so awesome job!
Haha more like it just helps companies guarantee that they completely sell out of their limited runs, and any future runs are then guaranteed to be twice as expensive...
@@Stahlwerk88 we have seen if nick says a knife is good it gets sold out in an instance.. i am hoping that the same will happen when he goes against one... Over time atleast. But idd the company is making bank on sprints atm.
Fuck me dead i drink too much last night... Nice to see in hangover ordered knife. Nice knife but too big and too high price that i never get that normally but when trunk i think it was then good idea lol.. Shit.. Hate myself sometimes...
I pulled out my victorinox SAK out of my pocket,I showed him this knife while telling him how much it costs...SAK laughed his a...out...went back in my pocket...Still laughing to this day! What a joke..
It's to the point where I google the knife in the title to see the price before watching. Just so I don't get the gimmies and fall in love with a knife like I did with that Pena.
There are few knives I want to put money down and buy it, this is one of them but I cannot for the life of me rationalize buying this knife even though I love it to death.
All these idiotic designers who think its a great idea to put a point angle right under the inside of your knuckles when you grip it. Benchmade is also a bad offender is this area on the 490. absolute garbage for actual use, these expensive knives are drawer queens or display. I will never understand how its possible that THAT many designers have no idea how to handle ergonomics. They are making a tool meant to be held and they kind of forget its supposed to be in a hand- hence drawer queen
@@roel.vinckens Yes! It's intelligent to say a folding knife doesnt deserve ergonimics lol. My wager is that neither of you get off your couch. "actual knife users" lol. Buddy I have over 200 combat patrols under my belt. lol
@Stoney Lonsome Don't pay attention to the kid, he got his go-pills and PTSD medications mixed up. Does combat patrol with his tiny fist wraped around his ergonomic folder. Sad.
Great knife that no one can get. Par for the CKF course. They have exactly 1 knife available on their website right now. Dozens of listings, all of them out of stock. Great knife manufacturers, garbage company.
One quick note for the 'gotcha' crowd: This knife arrived before the 'No Limited Editions' policy took effect, and in part due to pressure from the community, I'm hearing rumbles from CKF postings of a Titanium and CF version of this in 2021. So, looks like it might not be so limited after all. Still, this won't be eligible for knife of the year, given that this configuration is limited.
Nick Shabazz if you can, you should review more flagship Rocksteads.
Thank you for the clarification. I was going to ask you not as a gotcha but to understand if you knew how to get one.
Fair enough, and thanks for the note; However, pointing out that a new video you uploaded goes directly against a "channel policy update"-that you yourself posted not long before- isn't necessarily 'gotcha' behavior. It's simply pointing out the clear contradiction.
In other words, why so defensive? chill!
This is going to be impossible to buy.
Heh, I mentioned this knife in that video, as a knife that was already on the table. But yeah, I’m just tired of the cottage industry of commenters out to find ways that I’m wrong.
Honest question: would it be going too far to say that limited edition (non-custom) knives can't obtain gem status? Gem is a such a high praise coming from you, and carries so much weight in the community, whether you want it to or not, that giving gem status to a knife you would deride for being a limited edition feels almost like it negates the complaint in the first place. Either way I guess it's just food for thought.
Keep up the great content, Nick. Even if this knife isn't accessible to us plebs, your reviews are!
Too rich for my blood. Maybe it's all in my head, but I feel like the channel has been trending to the higher end these past few years. Nothing wrong with that, but maybe I'm no longer the target demographic. To me, $300 is an expensive knife. I don't think I could justify $590. Nick and the content are still stellar.
@@LVPittinsberg He did. In another thread he commented "This arrived before that policy, and CKF has now stated that another run of these is coming in 2021"
Still not something I'm going to put on my shopping list ;)
Absolutely agree. $200 is my limit. Can afford higher but see no reason for it. I've been watching these since less than 5k subs. Lately, I find that I don't finish the videos. They're extremely well done, but it's gone past my interest. I buy knives to use. Sometimes hard use. Just can't justify a $300-$500 knife for anything other than sitting on a shelf. And, I'd rather pay that price for other things that won't fade away when the trendy appeal goes away. Honestly, if the makers can't figure out how to make something other than titanium framelock flippers, I'm just browsing anymore.
Seeing what is going on with high end custom and production knives is a good way to keep track of what options and design flourishes are out there. Nick's review of the Ressenti Druid was one of the things that drew me into following the knife world and picking up some modern folders even though there is zero chance of me ever buying anything made or even just designed by Ressenti.
Hi Copper: Yeah, it's been an expensive couple of weeks, but I've got a ton of great budget knives coming up. Trust me, I'm still just as happy to find gems under $100
@@NickShabazz I'm really glad to hear that. I've been a subscriber since November 2015 (brag) and your channel has been a consistent source of of joy in my life.
Just a thought, but have you ever considered putting a cap on the MSRP of knives you'll allow manufacturers (or others) to provide? I sincerely appreciate the charitable aspect of the current arrangement, but I wonder if these manufacturer provided knives increase the average price-point of the knives you review. I imagine a $590 knife is less likely to get reviewed if it would require a purchase with channel funds.
Obviously, this is your channel and you put a considerable amount of your time, money, thought, and emotion into it... so I will kindly STFU if I have overstepped.
Just picked up a full TI version of this secondhand (because where else would I get one...). Pretty excited. Snagged it for $440 at LNIB and honestly I think that's pretty darn good. If it lives up to my expectations, WayOfKnife will be getting this one ASAP and it will honorably sit among the few knives that will never leave my collection.
These actually have dropped here and there every so often, I have a brand new one headed my way right now from knife center and cranes cutlery/ncblade both had some, they go fast though.
@@bwd8664 I have no idea how they're getting them in stock. God knows they're not making 1-5 at a time.
But I fully support them making more.
Snagged one today-I’m stoked. My CKF/Tuffknives Switch is nicer than an of my CRKs and head & shoulders above my Reates.
For the price, the condition of the carbon fiber is unacceptable to me. I don't have an issue with spending that much, but the knife better be damned perfect. When budget makers can do carbon fiber right, there's no excuse for this one.
mr. jinks go ahead and send me the link to the perfect knife because I own several +$500 knives and are yet to find it
Thank you for being so open with the disclaimer.
“Hey everybody, Nick here”. 😎😎❤️
Please do the Chaves Ultramar rendicion street 228, best knife I have ever handled. American design with Reate build quality. Amazing design with amazing build quality for a decent price. It’s a no brainier IMO. I would send you mine but ...... you need your own.
I want one so bad. Hoping for a more available version one day.
Up for preorder til the 21st :)
@@TheRickestRick33 what website is it being sold on?
@@future_phonk dot*
@@TheRickestRick33 dot?
@@future_phonk The website is fromrussiawithknives.com
$500+ knife of the year contender that you have to take a ceramic rod to 🤔
And voids in the carbon fiber
And issues with the blade rocking while closed, possibly due to imprecise tolerances between the detent ball and hole. Check Epic Snuggle Bunny's video
My fif20 has none of these problems present, literally my idea of a perfect knife. The detent is tuned so perfectly that you can thumb/reverse flick without thumbstuds
That cutout along the spine of the handle scales makes me think they were originally going with a normal flipper. Maybe a small roller tab style so it's still flush with the rest of the spine when closed. Still looks really cool.
Where can we find this in 2022 ?
I would love for them to explore more color options that the original French designer has did.
It’s hard to be super wow when the FIF23 was amazing and hyped up and this is just another variation of it.
It’s a solid knife for the price imo. As usual you are very honest reviewer that can be trusted.
I’ve been drooling over thins knife for awhile now, if you ever want to let this one get let me know😉
Any idea when these will be available?
Right now. I just pulled the trigger on a pre order
Weird that they use so much zirc on these. Looks real nice for the price considering PJ is so pricey these days. Thanks for the coverage!
This is definitely on my list, but my next excessive purchase is going towards a pretty little viking number, if it's still available in a few weeks!
Sorry not a gem. For $600, that cf is ATROCIOUS! I am ok with the pattern but those voids!
Also the fact you have to tweak the clip, sorry no, no & no.
Ill soon be posting a review on a case doctors knife.
There are mostly 3 types of collectors: 1) love knives under $3-400, collect anything, can't see paying this much 2) love knives under or around $1000, appreciate more expensive stuff, but aren't there yet 3) have been thru stages 1 & 2, seek out the customs, and relish the hunt as much as the kill. This is a solid 2nd stage knife. I know you don't like limited editions, but they are here to stay, and quite frankly not all limiteds become collector items. Some designs and executions stand the test of time, become collectible, and increase in value. MOST do not. Even most customs don't gain in value after the initial bump of excitement after release. Get over it! Enjoy the mass produced gems, the limited edition gems, and the custom I'll-never-be-able-to-afford gems. Me? I'm gonna do my best to score an example of this gem. If I don't, life will continue.
The voids in the carbon fiber look like a failure to vacuum out the air bubbles after the resin was injected to stabilize the CF material, during its manufacturing.
The Vero syapse reminds me of this knife
Snagged one today. Only just saw this video and the carbon fiber does look disappointing. Just more reason to find someone to make some classy custom scales for it. Paper micarta maybe?
I just acquired one from CKF and there doing more runs. FYI
Looks great and out of my price range
France has some great makers. Have you handled a Savidan before?
Russia
@@rrobins9857 Jourget is French. This is based on one of his knives.
Voids in the cf should have been filled with black epoxy and resanded before sending it out. That blade is awesome. Limited edition? Naw, I'm good.
Nice review! I hope I can snag one!
Dreaming about it every night ! Un jour peut être ! 🇫🇷
Beautiful knife. Impressive. Love the blade and just the right beefy-ness for me. Shame about the balance and the other details, otherwise I would be tempted to start putting the substantial amount of money in my knivebox... Although it would probably be sold out before I get to 580$.
Beautifull design !! Good review , thank you for sharing !
IU speak from experience, while this looks great, see that point that would sit right on the inside of your knuckles when you grip the knife? When you are cutting something, that area (where the point is on the handle) pushed really hard into your hand. its a shame they thought we deserve that lol
When is the deka review coming?😊
A TwoSun TS129 is a pretty similar knife under $100 for budget seekers. I had to sand a bunch of edges on the blade to get it to my liking, but if you have tougher thumbs you might not care. whitemountainknives.com/twosun-ts129-frame-lock-knife-titanium-carbon-fiber-handle-plain-edge-blade/
I have always loved this man’s designs.
i like so much that you go against the limited editions even tho you always get em in hand because you are ''famous'' in the knife world. i hope that you going against it hurts companys enough to stop doing it! and i got a feeling like it will change them a bit so awesome job!
Haha more like it just helps companies guarantee that they completely sell out of their limited runs, and any future runs are then guaranteed to be twice as expensive...
@@Stahlwerk88 we have seen if nick says a knife is good it gets sold out in an instance.. i am hoping that the same will happen when he goes against one... Over time atleast. But idd the company is making bank on sprints atm.
Nice folding Hunter blade...Loveless Drop Point FTW. Spendy but well done execution
Fuck me dead i drink too much last night... Nice to see in hangover ordered knife. Nice knife but too big and too high price that i never get that normally but when trunk i think it was then good idea lol.. Shit.. Hate myself sometimes...
I pulled out my victorinox SAK out of my pocket,I showed him this knife while telling him how much it costs...SAK laughed his a...out...went back in my pocket...Still laughing to this day! What a joke..
THE RINGING WHEN IT CLASSES!!
Bonjour de France 🇫🇷 il est peut-être temps pour les dinosaures de Thiers de prendre exemple A salute
The handle is ugly. It makes the Delica look nice...lol!
nice knife but for $600, buy a Glock.
Not all knife people are also gun people.
Well, you can actually find the Glock FM 78 field knife for around $30.
I would buy one if it wasn't Made in China then assembled in Russia..
Detent play?
nah - to me, this is $150 tops - too many other great knives at the $200 level
It's to the point where I google the knife in the title to see the price before watching. Just so I don't get the gimmies and fall in love with a knife like I did with that Pena.
There are few knives I want to put money down and buy it, this is one of them but I cannot for the life of me rationalize buying this knife even though I love it to death.
All these idiotic designers who think its a great idea to put a point angle right under the inside of your knuckles when you grip it. Benchmade is also a bad offender is this area on the 490. absolute garbage for actual use, these expensive knives are drawer queens or display. I will never understand how its possible that THAT many designers have no idea how to handle ergonomics. They are making a tool meant to be held and they kind of forget its supposed to be in a hand- hence drawer queen
@Stoney Lonsome Thank you for your intelligent comment. Actual knive users will acknowledge.
@Stoney Lonsome See now this to me is a funny comment! So much absurd in one place, but to each his own!
@@roel.vinckens Yes! It's intelligent to say a folding knife doesnt deserve ergonimics lol. My wager is that neither of you get off your couch. "actual knife users" lol. Buddy I have over 200 combat patrols under my belt. lol
@Stoney Lonsome "herr dur dur if im gonna actually cut something, im gonna use a real knife like a mora!" hahah jeezuz. Guess you arent too bright.
@Stoney Lonsome Don't pay attention to the kid, he got his go-pills and PTSD medications mixed up. Does combat patrol with his tiny fist wraped around his ergonomic folder. Sad.
That would pay for a lot of parking tickets
To big and expensive for me, great review!
She's a beauty 😍
Already out from what I can see
Hasn't been released yet. They just show it as out of stock on their site until it drops. Should be in the next month or two I think they last said...
Not a fan of front flippers myself, so I'm out as well
@@jasonlarsen7747 I agree, front flippers don't appeal to me
Given the price of this thing, DO NOT GET INTO WATCHES!! disclaimer has lost some of its flavour :D
Just another over priced, light duty, low value, low utility, fancy pants knife for people with more money than sense.
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Great knife that no one can get. Par for the CKF course. They have exactly 1 knife available on their website right now. Dozens of listings, all of them out of stock. Great knife manufacturers, garbage company.