Aside from the camaraderie and unconditional love that Mary sees the nuns display, I think her calling was also motivated by seeing how selfless and compassionate the nuns are and how they improve everything around them. The retirement home scene with the elderly ladies talking about lost families and financial troubles really awoke something in her as she grows more emotional the more stories she overhears, culminating in witnessing Mother Superior comforting a crying woman and making her feel more optimistic about her day. Yes, she follows all of these moments with her trademark sass, but I get the feeling that she'd been acting that way all her life and was running away from those moments of deep and genuine self reflection. Mary's choice to accept the call was her realizing that she didn't want to run away anymore, and she wanted to continue the legacy of all the sisters who had influenced her. That's why, even when I was 12 and first watching the movie, Mary's decision didn't surprise me at all and I was so happy to see genuine vulnerability and responsibility from her. I'll never forget this movie for the rest of my life.
WOW!!! Your comments are some of the BEST I have ever read about this movie and thanks so much for sharing your VERY powerful reflections! My late mother attended a Catholic girls high school in San Jose, CA. around 1940 and actually knew a girl like Mary who became a nun. And so the ending of this movie was something that DID really happen with young women in high school back then and maybe today, too. Sad that we lost June Harding last year but in 2007, she wrote a letter to me and I will always cherish it even more now since she has passed on. NO ONE could have played her part more "scathingly brilliant" than she did along with Hayley and Rosalind. I also LOVED the rest of the cast of nuns and students.
Interesting. I had not been aware of those negative reviews. I first saw the film with my family at the Drive In in 66. It was only later, after having watched it maybe 4 or 5 times that I realized that far from being pretentious, the movie IS THE STORY OF A VOCATION. This is laid out beautifully and in an emotionally honest way for an adolescent coming to realize a calling to something deeper in a relationship.
They should have read the book! Author Jane Trahey originally titled her memoirs *Life with Mother Superior* and it was set in the late 1930s to early 1940s. Editors changed the title to *The Trouble with Angels* after the film. The book is just as funny as the film.
@@steviem8117 Glad you have such cherished memories of this beloved movie and your mom and grandma. I hope watching this movie made you get well that much faster.
This movie is "scathingly brilliant" and of all the movies I have ever seen in my lifetime of almost 67 years, THIS movie is the one that is most closest to my heart!!!
@@HungryH1951 Did you ever see the sequel? Even though I am glad it was made, it was a HUGE disappointment compared to the original and was not nearly as popular as the original. Hayley and June were NOT in the sequel, though I read that Hayley was invited to be in it but declined since she had moved on in her movie career. It would have been GREAT to see both of them in the sequel but it was not meant to be.
After watching this movie as a boy, I learned a couple of valuable lessons. One was that the nuns lead a very tough act to follow where self discipline and selfless caring is concerned. I treated the nuns I knew with much more respect after watching this. The second lesson I learned was that even best of friends are ultimately going to choose different paths in life that'll take them away from each other. At the time, that lesson was the toughest of all to fathom and I've struggled with those moments to this day.
WOW, what VERY powerful comments and thanks for sharing! Your note about friends moving on in life to "different paths" is VERY true for all of us and is too often a painful reality that this life teaches us. We will always cherish our best friendships in life and feel sad that they had to end for whatever reasons. I also went to a Catholic grammar school in San Jose, CA. for 8 years from 1959-1967 and they were some of the BEST years of my life that I wished would NEVER have ended. The Presentation Sisters who taught us very well looked like the nuns in this movie. This film is THE movie most closest to my heart of ANY movie I have ever seen in my lifetime!! Cheers to all 'Angel' fans!
I agree. 63 year old guy here product of a Chicago Catholic school system in the 60s. I remember the scene well when Mother Superior put her hands on the casket of her close friend and confidant Sister Lugori and just cried.
@@joshmendle8908 I also know what you are talking about as I attended a Catholic grammar school in San Jose, CA. from 1959-1967 and they were some of the BEST years of my life!! This movie is my all-time favorite of them all and NO movie is closest to my heart than this movie. Regrettably, I never got to see it on a big screen at a theater. And in 2007, June Harding wrote me a hand-written letter responding to my letter to her and she shared her comments about making the movie which she LOVED to make with Hayley, Rosalind and the entire cast. I was SHOCKED when she told me that she never saw the sequel which was a BIG disappointment compared to the original. Sadly, we lost June last year and NO ONE could have played her part better than her and I told her that. May she, Roz and the others in the film who have passed on rest in peace. And this cherished movie they made will forever live on in our hearts.
critics be damned,,, why pick at this movie,,, it was a wonderful movie to watch,, that's all we really need to know,, why do we always have to find relevance in every movie, just enjoy it!!!
Agreed! Who cares what the dinosaurs from that time thought! (I'm 66) Of course it was panned back then Ms. Lupino was a female director, female cast, everyone kept their clothes on, now there's a concept!
The movie is far from perfect, but it has a heart. And Rosalind Russell's character is complex and, when you think about it, unpredictable. I always think of the scene where she catches the girls ditching a class (phys. ed?) and we all "know" what's going to happen. Instead: "Isn't it a glorious day?" That was great writing.
I saw this on TV with commercials when I was a child and I knew why Mary joined the Convent. Surprised that so called film critics did not understand it then. Perhaps they believed that our being wives and mothers was the pinnacle of our careers. They also seemed to fail to realise or understand that Nuns are the original working women!
Back in the days of the setting of this movie, women were by and large homemakers who relied heavily on their husbands to handle the "money stuff", but that was at the precipice of changing. I'm thinking specifically of the scene in the old folk's home where these women's husbands died leaving them lost and broke and ultimately helpless. As for the adult children who wouldn't visit their parents in the home... Despicable... I saw way too much of that many years later when visiting my mother in the rest home and all the lonely souls there crying because they were abandoned. I got to know a few of them and when I visited my mother I also visited with them. This movie influenced that! I never forgot that scene when I watched it as a boy... It made a huge, lifelong impression on me. I agree with you. Nuns indeed were the original working women.
It is also worth noting that the religious part of Mary's choice didn't come out of nowhere. While everyone else was off on vacations (like Rachel to Mexico) she went to see the pope. Rachel got her a bag, she got Rachel a medal. She's appalled at stuffing a picture of "his holiness" from a newspaper in a window. And any time Rachel brings up a flippant remark like "I'll kill myself" Mary makes some comment about that being un-catholic.
I'm with the other replies here. I've seen this countless times since first thing in the theater at the age of 11. I never picked that up. That said, I've never seen this movie as an overtly "religious" film, as in a "Catholic" film, despite its setting - yet it has moved me deeply for almost 60 years. And I'm a guy who will be 70 in 10 days.
Great film that Hatley Mills and Rosaland Russell made in 1966. I was 10 when my sister and I went to the movie in summer of 1966.Am a big Hayley Mills fan loved all of her movies since I was a kid !
I Loved this movie - I've watched it over 200 times - It never gets old and always makes me laugh and cry and to me that's what makes a Wonderful Movie!! It was "SCATHINGLY BRILLIANT" I went to Catholic School and I was a lot like Mary, I always was in trouble with my Nuns LOL
Enjoyed the positive critique. In truth many enjoyed this film, its humor and sentiment despite the critics disdain. It portrayed a genuine sense of growing by being educated in a strict regime to begin to learn the fundamentals of being a well-rounded member of the human race.
A fascinating take on the film. I found the ending a bit jarring but still really enjoy it. Thanks for the analysis. 53 years and people are still talking about it and Ida Lupino. That's as it should be.
My late mother went to a Catholic girls high school in the 1940's and knew a student like Mary who also became a nun. So the ending is not as unbelievable as a lot of people thought then and now. This movie is closest to my heart of ANY movie I have ever seen in my lifetime and I am 66.
@@naansophi1111 Thanks for sharing your notes and I looked up info about Jane after you wrote. Wow, what a career she had and she was such a pioneer in the advertising world. I have an original paperback that I bought years ago of "Life With Mother Superior" and I need to read it to see how the book compares to the movie. I heard that the movie and book are not that much different but I will have to find out for myself. Anyhow, glad they changed the title for the movie.
I love this movie. Although I was 14 years old when it was released I never saw it until last year. I was taken aback at how good it was and I have since watched it 6 times. I look forward to watching it again. I think some critics are just uptight and it might have offended some Catholics or something, but I don't think it is deserving of bad reviews. In my opinion it is the best movie Hayley Mills ever did. It has everything. Joy, sadness, humor (it has some very funny scenes), deep friendships, and some very fine acting by the entire cast. I give this movie all thumbs up. It is well written and acted. It is simply delightful.
This film helped to give me the courage to come out. Lupino knew what she was doing and the only heads it didn't go over were those of the Religious Sisters. "The Trouble With Angels" mirrored my own behavior in high school, which, after fifty years, I finally find appalling. (Slow learner.)
This film stands as a charming, quirky, affectionate tribute to friendship, to growing up, and to making hard choices. It studies human frailty with a gentle, loving eye. It isn’t afraid to depict vulnerability. Or silent mutability. Or to suggest that there are loving mentors who guide us without inhibiting us. And with the prodigious Ida Lupino at the helm, and with masters Rosalind Russell and Hayley Mills and a great supporting cast taking us along for the ride it also manages to be hilarious - and, yes - - “Scathingly brilliant!!!” 👼 👼
The critics had no idea how to view a movie in which "the girl" was not an object of a man's desire or in which philial (sororial?) love was not between men on the battlefield or the range. It seems an odd criticism by Catholics to focus on the lack of the word "God" when throughout Mary (Mary!) learns agape through viewing the actions of the Reverend Mother.
This movie was made not too far from where I used to work at. I worked in Fort Washington, PA; the movie was filmed on location in neighboring Ambler. Both are western suburbs of Philadelphia. The fictional St. Francis Academy is really a home for troubled children.
Geezus, critics have way to much time on their hands, then and now. I think most critics just want to attempt to impress the viewing public with how many big dictionary words they can put together in an incomprehensible sentence to impress their own parents who footed the bill for their college education and pathetic life choices. I enjoyed the movie as a 9 year old in 1966 and glad to watch it again for the innocence of a simpler time. Get a real job newspaper or social media critics.
Not that it necessarily matters when viewing the film within its own context, but one of the main reasons Mary joins the nuns is because the movie is based on a (probably highly fictionalized) memoir by Jane Trahey, recounting her time at a Catholic school and how she and her friend Mary are always getting into trouble. And at the end of the book, to Jane's surprise...Mary joins the nuns.
The memoirs are true and took place at Saint Mark's in Chicago, from the late 1930s to the early 1940s. The movie is based on the book, but it doesn't follow it that closely.
Maybe she wanted a more fulfilling life than as the spoiled rich niece who ultimately was bored with that superficial existence. Being the mid 60s there’s no suggestion that these girls were necessarily going to colleges and choosing careers though at the time upper middle class young women did often go (but more for liberal arts than specific career choices).
I love this film, one of my "closet fetishes ", I shouldn't be ashamed to admit to never having left Hayley Mills behind. I think this new interpretation has merit- the cast, director and writer, very talented women point to this alternative take. Is it any different than introducing young girls to Laura Ingalks Wilder?! I throw in Suzuki Bean too, because I love the book and want other influences for any kids I teach. Hayley is a damned good actress! and Roz Russell- it doesn't get better!
I lived close to the area where this movie was supposed to be set in. I went to Catholic school in the 1970's (1975-1978) outside of Philadelphia. Maybe if the story had been set in the 30's it would be more accurate. As of that time, it was already after Vatican II, and the school system, hardly did the rosary, but our teacher would teach us Barry Manilow songs...on a chalkboard, so the apostasy was already underway there. We wore uniforms, and went to church, but it was not as Catholic sacredness as depicted in this movie. Being young you didn't realize what was happening, until decades later. It's a beautiful story, and those fortunate Catholics that lived before Vatican II, probably still retained a lot of the reverence.
I love this movie and I remember reading the book by Jean Kerr. Never heard anyone complain about it! It is suppose to a shock at the end when she choses to become a nun.
don't know if I agree with your lesbian bent on things.But I saw it last nite for the first time in decades and man , it's hilarious and charming and the direction was great.
Where does "lesbian" come into this? . Does a woman who sees beyond traditional roles and likes what she sees in female relationships have to be a lesbian? I'm a guy and I envy those relationships.
@@loge10 The poster of the video goes on ad nauseum about "queer" theory and talks about the women in the convent ogling each other sexually. Don't blame the commenter for the video's foolishness.
@@kell_checks_inI looking at this thread again I think I have to agree with you more than I did. I'm tired of the use of queer in so many things that have little to do with sexual gender identity- at least to the point of being labeled. I'm a 70 year old guy who is very little like what is considered traditional male, yet yet most of that is internal. I can't imagine labeling myself queer or any of the ad nauseam gender labels to choose from these days.
I loved this movie as a preteen. This review, like the reviews when the movie opened, is skewed against God, or “God”. Does it seem possible that the notion of being called to God, at the start of hippie, anti-war, flower power scorn for theology, would be consciously avoided by the moviemakers? Listen, maybe it wasn’t a success but my friends and I grew up, fucked guys, had babies with guys, and respected both the choice of Mary and the choice of Rachel. When will feminist philosophy respect women’s choices?
Critics see Mary change from someone who is only out to enjoy herself into someone who has incredible compassion for her fellow human beings and then state that there's nothing religious about her decision... Right.
The movie was an adaptation of the novel Culprit in the Covent written by Jane Trahey. The novel was better than the movie I read over and over when I need a good laugh.
The film was actually a recruiting tool for Catholic girls to consider becoming a nun. The decline of women becoming a nun started in the 1950s. The film the Nun's story (1959) with Audrey Hepburn worked as a catalyst to increase the decline as well as raising the amount of nuns leaving the profession. Today, the amount of women choosing the calling is a tiny fraction of what it was in the 1940s.
A big reason why the amount of women today choosing the calling is a tiny fraction of what it was in the 1940s is because women pretty much had no other choice in life besides being a wife and raising children. Becoming a nun was sort of a woman's "ticket" to a successful career as a hospital administrator, university president, professor, and so forth whereas that's obviously not the case today. Additionally, a minor reason is that it was probably easier for women to become a nun as a way of "escaping" problems such as emotional/physical/sexual abuse while growing up whereas nowadays the Church does very thorough investigations/full psychological screenings on candidates and are very selective with who they think should enter consecrated life.
Here we have another fine example of the “vocal shoulder shrug” narration style, made famous by Cheddar as well as any number of psychology-tidbit channels. Let’s see...... Vague, meandering pace? Check. Minimal inflection (so as to give off a somewhat aloof, disaffected tone)? Check. Vocal fry at the end of each sentence? Check.
Annoyed when told, as if true, when women loving women, girls loving girls, is sexualized. Love has many forms. Sexualizing every form of love is called pornography
Oh, another review of a movie with a "Catholic" theme that subtlety knocks Catholicism. The "critic(s)" have the usual and predictable aversion to give faith and Christianity credit for a characters awakening, growth or redemption. Instead they give credit to secular and progressive values.
I agree with you completely. More 'cancel culture' and 'woke' ultra liberal left and LGBQXYZ agenda. Tired of it....and quite sick of it being forced on us. Can we no longer enjoy a film without a 'woke' agenda ruining it?
This is an OK film but unrealistic in the sense that there's no corporal punishment in the film's Catholic girls school. Almost all Catholic schools practiced corporal punishment at the time this was made (the mid-1960's). The two main students pull some really naughty pranks at times and it's hard to believe they were not spanked, slippered or strapped by the staff. But the acting is top notch ! Well cast indeed !
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Aside from the camaraderie and unconditional love that Mary sees the nuns display, I think her calling was also motivated by seeing how selfless and compassionate the nuns are and how they improve everything around them. The retirement home scene with the elderly ladies talking about lost families and financial troubles really awoke something in her as she grows more emotional the more stories she overhears, culminating in witnessing Mother Superior comforting a crying woman and making her feel more optimistic about her day. Yes, she follows all of these moments with her trademark sass, but I get the feeling that she'd been acting that way all her life and was running away from those moments of deep and genuine self reflection. Mary's choice to accept the call was her realizing that she didn't want to run away anymore, and she wanted to continue the legacy of all the sisters who had influenced her. That's why, even when I was 12 and first watching the movie, Mary's decision didn't surprise me at all and I was so happy to see genuine vulnerability and responsibility from her. I'll never forget this movie for the rest of my life.
WOW!!! Your comments are some of the BEST I have ever read about this movie and thanks so much for sharing your VERY powerful reflections! My late mother attended a Catholic girls high school in San Jose, CA. around 1940 and actually knew a girl like Mary who became a nun. And so the ending of this movie was something that DID really happen with young women in high school back then and maybe today, too. Sad that we lost June Harding last year but in 2007, she wrote a letter to me and I will always cherish it even more now since she has passed on. NO ONE could have played her part more "scathingly brilliant" than she did along with Hayley and Rosalind. I also LOVED the rest of the cast of nuns and students.
Interesting. I had not been aware of those negative reviews. I first saw the film with my family at the Drive In in 66. It was only later, after having watched it maybe 4 or 5 times that I realized that far from being pretentious, the movie IS THE STORY OF A VOCATION. This is laid out beautifully and in an emotionally honest way for an adolescent coming to realize a calling to something deeper in a relationship.
The critics were wrong! Great film.
You got that right!! I am 65 and of all the films I have ever seen in my lifetime, this is THE movie that is closest to my heart!!
They should have read the book! Author Jane Trahey originally titled her memoirs *Life with Mother Superior* and it was set in the late 1930s to early 1940s. Editors changed the title to *The Trouble with Angels* after the film. The book is just as funny as the film.
@@DougCeleste im 36 and it reminds me of my mom and grandma and staying home sick, watching TCM.
@@steviem8117 Glad you have such cherished memories of this beloved movie and your mom and grandma. I hope watching this movie made you get well that much faster.
My sister and I saw this when we were kids and we loved the movie and so did many others we knew , including our older siblings .
This movie is "scathingly brilliant" and of all the movies I have ever seen in my lifetime of almost 67 years, THIS movie is the one that is most closest to my heart!!!
It has become one of my all time favorites. I love it.
@@HungryH1951 Did you ever see the sequel? Even though I am glad it was made, it was a HUGE disappointment compared to the original and was not nearly as popular as the original. Hayley and June were NOT in the sequel, though I read that Hayley was invited to be in it but declined since she had moved on in her movie career. It would have been GREAT to see both of them in the sequel but it was not meant to be.
The critics we're wrong. Obviously. It's a classic. And very very moving.
They were definitely wrong. This is a really good movie!
After watching this movie as a boy, I learned a couple of valuable lessons. One was that the nuns lead a very tough act to follow where self discipline and selfless caring is concerned. I treated the nuns I knew with much more respect after watching this. The second lesson I learned was that even best of friends are ultimately going to choose different paths in life that'll take them away from each other. At the time, that lesson was the toughest of all to fathom and I've struggled with those moments to this day.
WOW, what VERY powerful comments and thanks for sharing! Your note about friends moving on in life to "different paths" is VERY true for all of us and is too often a painful reality that this life teaches us. We will always cherish our best friendships in life and feel sad that they had to end for whatever reasons. I also went to a Catholic grammar school in San Jose, CA. for 8 years from 1959-1967 and they were some of the BEST years of my life that I wished would NEVER have ended. The Presentation Sisters who taught us very well looked like the nuns in this movie. This film is THE movie most closest to my heart of ANY movie I have ever seen in my lifetime!! Cheers to all 'Angel' fans!
If you're reading this..Ms.Ivens...Thanks for showing a more positive outlook on"The Trouble With Angels".
I think Mary’s change of heart and calling is quite clear in the movie and is demonstrated sincerely.
This is one of my favorites and always guaranteed to make me cry during two different scenes.
I agree. 63 year old guy here product of a Chicago Catholic school system in the 60s. I remember the scene well when Mother Superior put her hands on the casket of her close friend and confidant Sister Lugori and just cried.
@@joshmendle8908 I also know what you are talking about as I attended a Catholic grammar school in San Jose, CA. from 1959-1967 and they were some of the BEST years of my life!! This movie is my all-time favorite of them all and NO movie is closest to my heart than this movie. Regrettably, I never got to see it on a big screen at a theater. And in 2007, June Harding wrote me a hand-written letter responding to my letter to her and she shared her comments about making the movie which she LOVED to make with Hayley, Rosalind and the entire cast. I was SHOCKED when she told me that she never saw the sequel which was a BIG disappointment compared to the original. Sadly, we lost June last year and NO ONE could have played her part better than her and I told her that. May she, Roz and the others in the film who have passed on rest in peace. And this cherished movie they made will forever live on in our hearts.
@@DougCeleste aww
The scene with the little old lady crying 😭 😭 😭 kill me now
@@marib.52380 Yes, it was one of the most touching scenes of this beloved movie.
critics be damned,,, why pick at this movie,,, it was a wonderful movie to watch,, that's all we really need to know,, why do we always have to find relevance in every movie, just enjoy it!!!
I loved this movie as a girl and I still watch it now and again. Haley Mills is a favourite of mine.
I love it as a man. Hayley Mills is the main reason
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Agreed! Who cares what the dinosaurs from that time thought! (I'm 66) Of course it was panned back then Ms. Lupino was a female director, female cast, everyone kept their clothes on, now there's a concept!
This movie is fun, cool, 60's and still quite watchable...The ladies ALL do a superb job!
The movie is far from perfect, but it has a heart. And Rosalind Russell's character is complex and, when you think
about it, unpredictable. I always think of the scene where she catches the girls ditching a class (phys. ed?) and
we all "know" what's going to happen. Instead: "Isn't it a glorious day?" That was great writing.
I saw this on TV with commercials when I was a child and I knew why Mary joined the Convent. Surprised that so called film critics did not understand it then. Perhaps they believed that our being wives and mothers was the pinnacle of our careers. They also seemed to fail to realise or understand that Nuns are the original working women!
Back in the days of the setting of this movie, women were by and large homemakers who relied heavily on their husbands to handle the "money stuff", but that was at the precipice of changing. I'm thinking specifically of the scene in the old folk's home where these women's husbands died leaving them lost and broke and ultimately helpless. As for the adult children who wouldn't visit their parents in the home... Despicable... I saw way too much of that many years later when visiting my mother in the rest home and all the lonely souls there crying because they were abandoned. I got to know a few of them and when I visited my mother I also visited with them. This movie influenced that! I never forgot that scene when I watched it as a boy... It made a huge, lifelong impression on me. I agree with you. Nuns indeed were the original working women.
The critics didn’t like Catholics
It is also worth noting that the religious part of Mary's choice didn't come out of nowhere. While everyone else was off on vacations (like Rachel to Mexico) she went to see the pope. Rachel got her a bag, she got Rachel a medal. She's appalled at stuffing a picture of "his holiness" from a newspaper in a window. And any time Rachel brings up a flippant remark like "I'll kill myself" Mary makes some comment about that being un-catholic.
Excellent points!
Yes!!!
I'm with the other replies here. I've seen this countless times since first thing in the theater at the age of 11. I never picked that up.
That said, I've never seen this movie as an overtly "religious" film, as in a "Catholic" film, despite its setting - yet it has moved me deeply for almost 60 years.
And I'm a guy who will be 70 in 10 days.
Great film that Hatley Mills and Rosaland Russell made in 1966. I was 10 when my sister and I went to the movie in summer of 1966.Am a big Hayley Mills fan loved all of her movies since I was a kid !
This movie has been my favorite since I was 8 😊 I’m now 19 and it is still my favorite movie ♥️
I Loved this movie - I've watched it over 200 times - It never gets old and always makes me laugh and cry and to me that's what makes a Wonderful Movie!! It was "SCATHINGLY BRILLIANT" I went to Catholic School and I was a lot like Mary, I always was in trouble with my Nuns LOL
Enjoyed the positive critique. In truth many enjoyed this film, its humor and sentiment despite the critics disdain.
It portrayed a genuine sense of growing by being educated in a strict regime to begin to learn the fundamentals of being a well-rounded member of the human race.
Love this movie as a child , great movie
It IS worth remembering that this is based on a TRUE story - you'd be surprised how true. Based on Life With Mother Superior.
A fascinating take on the film. I found the ending a bit jarring but still really enjoy it. Thanks for the analysis. 53 years and people are still talking about it and Ida Lupino. That's as it should be.
My late mother went to a Catholic girls high school in the 1940's and knew a student like Mary who also became a nun. So the ending is not as unbelievable as a lot of people thought then and now. This movie is closest to my heart of ANY movie I have ever seen in my lifetime and I am 66.
@@naansophi1111 Thanks for sharing your notes and I looked up info about Jane after you wrote. Wow, what a career she had and she was such a pioneer in the advertising world. I have an original paperback that I bought years ago of "Life With Mother Superior" and I need to read it to see how the book compares to the movie. I heard that the movie and book are not that much different but I will have to find out for myself. Anyhow, glad they changed the title for the movie.
@@naansophi1111 At the end of the book, Jane was completely shocked at Mary's decision to join the convent.
Fantastic movie...one of my favorites. Wonderfully done and great story line. I'm a Catholic and can relate to the theme. Critics are bananas!
I love this movie. Although I was 14 years old when it was released I never saw it until last year. I was taken aback at how good it was and I have since watched it 6 times. I look forward to watching it again. I think some critics are just uptight and it might have offended some Catholics or something, but I don't think it is deserving of bad reviews. In my opinion it is the best movie Hayley Mills ever did. It has everything. Joy, sadness, humor (it has some very funny scenes), deep friendships, and some very fine acting by the entire cast. I give this movie all thumbs up. It is well written and acted. It is simply delightful.
this movie is a CLASSIC..... Loved it - childhood memories....my mother took us kids to see this...I was 6 -
This movie is a pure CASSIC
This is one of my favorite movies. Critics don't know everything.
This film helped to give me the courage to come out. Lupino knew what she was doing and the only heads it didn't go over were those of the Religious Sisters. "The Trouble With Angels" mirrored my own behavior in high school, which, after fifty years, I finally find appalling. (Slow learner.)
I liked the whole movie including the ending !
Superb analysis of a great film
Love this movie. It's a classic.
This film stands as a charming, quirky, affectionate tribute to friendship, to growing up, and to making hard choices. It studies human frailty with a gentle, loving eye. It isn’t afraid to depict vulnerability. Or silent mutability. Or to suggest that there are loving mentors who guide us without inhibiting us. And with the prodigious Ida Lupino at the helm, and with masters Rosalind Russell and Hayley Mills and a great supporting cast taking us along for the ride it also manages to be hilarious - and, yes - - “Scathingly brilliant!!!” 👼 👼
Don't analyze it. It's charming, funny, and part of my childhood. Hayley Mills never made a bad movie.
The critics had no idea how to view a movie in which "the girl" was not an object of a man's desire or in which philial (sororial?) love was not between men on the battlefield or the range. It seems an odd criticism by Catholics to focus on the lack of the word "God" when throughout Mary (Mary!) learns agape through viewing the actions of the Reverend Mother.
This movie was made not too far from where I used to work at. I worked in Fort Washington, PA; the movie was filmed on location in neighboring Ambler. Both are western suburbs of Philadelphia.
The fictional St. Francis Academy is really a home for troubled children.
They got "Dorney Park' in there.
In the book by Jane Trahey, the setting is Chicago and the convent and school is Saint Mark's.
Geezus, critics have way to much time on their hands, then and now. I think most critics just want to attempt to impress the viewing public with how many big dictionary words they can put together in an incomprehensible sentence to impress their own parents who footed the bill for their college education and pathetic life choices. I enjoyed the movie as a 9 year old in 1966 and glad to watch it again for the innocence of a simpler time. Get a real job newspaper or social media critics.
Why can’t we just ENJOY a movie and not have to dissect it to pieces! It’s fun and entertaining!
Not that it necessarily matters when viewing the film within its own context, but one of the main reasons Mary joins the nuns is because the movie is based on a (probably highly fictionalized) memoir by Jane Trahey, recounting her time at a Catholic school and how she and her friend Mary are always getting into trouble. And at the end of the book, to Jane's surprise...Mary joins the nuns.
The memoirs are true and took place at Saint Mark's in Chicago, from the late 1930s to the early 1940s. The movie is based on the book, but it doesn't follow it that closely.
Excellent observations and well said.
Thank You, Dear!
i love this movie and never listen to critics
I like this "take" on the movie. Good job.
I was 12. I thought it was great. And have watched many times since. My own minor seminary experience ended up following suit.
Brilliant
Even back then the WA post was critical of things decent and traditional
Maybe she wanted a more fulfilling life than as the spoiled rich niece who ultimately was bored with that superficial existence. Being the mid 60s there’s no suggestion that these girls were necessarily going to colleges and choosing careers though at the time upper middle class young women did often go (but more for liberal arts than specific career choices).
I love this film, one of my "closet fetishes ", I shouldn't be ashamed to admit to never having left Hayley Mills behind. I think this new interpretation has merit- the cast, director and writer, very talented women point to this alternative take. Is it any different than introducing young girls to Laura Ingalks Wilder?! I throw in Suzuki Bean too, because I love the book and want other influences for any kids I teach. Hayley is a damned good actress! and Roz Russell- it doesn't get better!
I lived close to the area where this movie was supposed to be set in.
I went to Catholic school in the 1970's (1975-1978) outside of Philadelphia. Maybe if the story had been set in the 30's it would be more accurate. As of that time, it was already after Vatican II, and the school system, hardly did the rosary, but our teacher would teach us Barry Manilow songs...on a chalkboard, so the apostasy was already underway there. We wore uniforms, and went to church, but it was not as Catholic sacredness as depicted in this movie. Being young you didn't realize what was happening, until decades later.
It's a beautiful story, and those fortunate Catholics that lived before Vatican II, probably still retained a lot of the reverence.
a friend while we were in residential school made that choice, I always wondered why
I love this movie and I remember reading the book by Jean Kerr. Never heard anyone complain about it! It is suppose to a shock at the end when she choses to become a nun.
I love this film despite it's flaws..and..besides..I don't pay attention to the movie critics.
I’ve found something better.........
don't know if I agree with your lesbian bent on things.But I saw it last nite for the first time in decades and man , it's hilarious and charming and the direction was great.
Where does "lesbian" come into this? . Does a woman who sees beyond traditional roles and likes what she sees in female relationships have to be a lesbian? I'm a guy and I envy those relationships.
@@loge10 The poster of the video goes on ad nauseum about "queer" theory and talks about the women in the convent ogling each other sexually. Don't blame the commenter for the video's foolishness.
@@kell_checks_in Actually I was referring to the post. I agreed with the first comment.
@@kell_checks_inI looking at this thread again I think I have to agree with you more than I did. I'm tired of the use of queer in so many things that have little to do with sexual gender identity- at least to the point of being labeled.
I'm a 70 year old guy who is very little like what is considered traditional male, yet yet most of that is internal. I can't imagine labeling myself queer or any of the ad nauseam gender labels to choose from these days.
I loved this movie as a preteen. This review, like the reviews when the movie opened, is skewed against God, or “God”. Does it seem possible that the notion of being called to God, at the start of hippie, anti-war, flower power scorn for theology, would be consciously avoided by the moviemakers? Listen, maybe it wasn’t a success but my friends and I grew up, fucked guys, had babies with guys, and respected both the choice of Mary and the choice of Rachel. When will feminist philosophy respect women’s choices?
of course not, women has been nuns from ages, and it is not an alternative for motherhood, is a conviction of the heart.
What BS... It is a movie, and a damn good one... stop reading things into it...
Critics see Mary change from someone who is only out to enjoy herself into someone who has incredible compassion for her fellow human beings and then state that there's nothing religious about her decision... Right.
The movie was an adaptation of the novel Culprit in the Covent written by Jane Trahey. The novel was better than the movie I read over and over when I need a good laugh.
The film was actually a recruiting tool for Catholic girls to consider becoming a nun.
The decline of women becoming a nun started in the 1950s.
The film the Nun's story (1959) with Audrey Hepburn worked as a catalyst to increase the decline as well as raising the amount of nuns leaving the profession.
Today, the amount of women choosing the calling is a tiny fraction of what it was in the 1940s.
A big reason why the amount of women today choosing the calling is a tiny fraction of what it was in the 1940s is because women pretty much had no other choice in life besides being a wife and raising children. Becoming a nun was sort of a woman's "ticket" to a successful career as a hospital administrator, university president, professor, and so forth whereas that's obviously not the case today. Additionally, a minor reason is that it was probably easier for women to become a nun as a way of "escaping" problems such as emotional/physical/sexual abuse while growing up whereas nowadays the Church does very thorough investigations/full psychological screenings on candidates and are very selective with who they think should enter consecrated life.
Ai yi... Clancey's vocation is telegraphed all the way through the film! Grumble...
Not everything in life is about gay tendencies !
That’s what you wanted to do. You wanted even Chris. What you talking about. 🤣. I caught u. With perseverance. Determination. And God. 😇.
Fantastic movie! Educational, intelligent, funny, spiritual, gentle. Today's film are so idiotic ! Stupid films for stupid audience.
Here we have another fine example of the “vocal shoulder shrug” narration style, made famous by Cheddar as well as any number of psychology-tidbit channels. Let’s see...... Vague, meandering pace? Check. Minimal inflection (so as to give off a somewhat aloof, disaffected tone)? Check. Vocal fry at the end of each sentence? Check.
Annoyed when told, as if true, when women loving women, girls loving girls, is sexualized. Love has many forms. Sexualizing every form of love is called pornography
Oh, another review of a movie with a "Catholic" theme that subtlety knocks Catholicism. The "critic(s)" have the usual and predictable aversion to give faith and Christianity credit for a characters awakening, growth or redemption. Instead they give credit to secular and progressive values.
Typical feminist pseudo-intellectual clap-trap.
it was absolutely non of that at all
I agree with you completely. More 'cancel culture' and 'woke' ultra liberal left and LGBQXYZ agenda. Tired of it....and quite sick of it being forced on us. Can we no longer enjoy a film without a 'woke' agenda ruining it?
This is an OK film but unrealistic in the sense that there's no corporal punishment in the film's Catholic girls school. Almost all Catholic schools practiced corporal punishment at the time this was made (the mid-1960's). The two main students pull some really naughty pranks at times and it's hard to believe they were not spanked, slippered or strapped by the staff. But the acting is top notch ! Well cast indeed !
Maybe they did penance by praying on their knees, washing dishes, cleaning bathrooms or by scrubbing the gym floor.
@@Royalroadtotheunc As I do when I take off my hat, you make a good point ! Thanks for your follow up comment !! :-)
I don't care..it is a great movie....