Lecture 6: Time Evolution and the Schrödinger Equation

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  • @neelmodi5791
    @neelmodi5791 8 ปีที่แล้ว +285

    His enthusiasm makes me want to learn so much more

    • @PauloConstantino167
      @PauloConstantino167 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats your problem

    • @bestfrnd9752
      @bestfrnd9752 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      good

    • @yuluzhang1735
      @yuluzhang1735 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Neel Modi physics is interesting. Mathe instead...you keep them down that hall XD

    • @donbags5542
      @donbags5542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amen. Plus he does have an infectious smile.

    • @ACE-uo2mn
      @ACE-uo2mn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah true..

  • @ahuhu
    @ahuhu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +364

    I'm just jealous of these guys' ability to ask interesting questions that seem so logically connected to the subject but i could never come up with.

    • @abrahanshahzad1371
      @abrahanshahzad1371 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm jealous too but I can ask that kinda question. Maybe the guy has remembered them before.

    • @joeboxter3635
      @joeboxter3635 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Although they are smart, they may not be as smart as you think.
      Most of these guys studied QM either on their own (e.g. reading books like QM for Dummies or watching TH-cam etc) or took QM course before arriving at MIT. Yes indeed, there are schools that give introduction to QM in High School. So, if they have done that, they are pretty smart.
      But realize this may not be the first time they are seeing this. So, smart indeed. But maybe not quite as smart as you might want to believe.

    • @Ne012
      @Ne012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Working the problem sets and the readings help a lot in that regard.

    • @Ne012
      @Ne012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      As this is on OCW you have open access to the lectures, recitations, and problem sets as well. If you really want to learn quantum mechanics I highly suggest you look into this wealth of information.

    • @DuncanIdaho1980
      @DuncanIdaho1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Congratz to the man doing his best to manage the input volume so we can hear the questions ^^

  • @maryamkhakbaz3316
    @maryamkhakbaz3316 7 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    love the way professor Adams explains things, i'm starting to get my master degree in physics and yet by watching these lectures i feel the need to study more,it's like MIT courses makes you realize you need to learn more and more and more... and it's never enough!!!thank you MIT opencourseWare for giving me the opportunity to experience quality courses with these great guys. love you

    • @xxlblackyoung
      @xxlblackyoung 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Did u get it?

    • @normansmith4166
      @normansmith4166 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      xxlblackyoung seconded

    • @schmetterling4477
      @schmetterling4477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xxlblackyoung No, of course not. He is just pulling your leg. He is completely clueless. :-)

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      @schmetterling4477 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @LeconsdAnalyse
    @LeconsdAnalyse 8 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    The teacher in the clip is very nice - patient, and down to earth.

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  • @elnurhajiyev2477
    @elnurhajiyev2477 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    what i like about his method is that he clarifies all the subtle points so that you don't have anything unclear in your head

  • @AvinashSingh-wx9de
    @AvinashSingh-wx9de 8 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    These guys always ask very good questions...

    • @yasserm.abdalkader2786
      @yasserm.abdalkader2786 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Nope, but he encourages them to ask. would you him to say, '' that's a boring question, never ask again!''?

    • @pabloastoreca8726
      @pabloastoreca8726 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Excellent question as always 😂

    • @liboshen
      @liboshen 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      He is also very good at understanding what really the listeners would get confused.

    • @Saptarshi.Sarkar
      @Saptarshi.Sarkar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No question is a bad question if you are really confused about it. You just need to ask.

    • @harshitabhuyan8892
      @harshitabhuyan8892 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Saptarshi.Sarkar Yes we totally get that but what he means i guess and i agree with him on that, is the fact that so many questions asked in that class improved my understanding of the concepts, like every question was necessary, without those students this class wouldn't have been the same and the prof was brilliant at understanding the questions as well as elaborating and answering them. It's like everyone in that class played a role in teaching.

  • @nathanokun8801
    @nathanokun8801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This instructor is worth his weight in platinum!! He is FANTASTIC concerning this somewhat obtuse subject. I am impressed beyond words.

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    • @pompookgantsu2286
      @pompookgantsu2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      explain the point of all this. What is it trying to achieve, why and how?
      Try to explain what all these equations are telling about time and how time works.
      Without complicated words.

  • @craigfowler7098
    @craigfowler7098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Wish he was my lecturer when I studied this. Makes it so interesting, relevant and clear.
    Good job man

    • @NazriB
      @NazriB 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @scottgreen3807
    @scottgreen3807 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a holder of a computer science degree and another in electronics I bow to the recognition of reality. Circuits and code only do what they are made to do as does your world. So cool. Thanks for the pump.

  • @salaheddinealahrache8206
    @salaheddinealahrache8206 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you very much for making these lectures public. Great topics and explanation !

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  • @valen8560
    @valen8560 8 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    "mathematicians are sneaky. that's why we keep them down the hall." XD

  • @ppmealing
    @ppmealing 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really good explanation - excellent lecturer (Allan Adams); he actually invites questions, repeats them and then gives cogent answers.
    It's the first time I've seen someone explain the relationship between eigenstates and Schrodinger's equation. Also how superposition falls out and is effectively a consequence of 'stationary states', therefore unaffected by time. This creates a physical distinction between the quantum world and the classical world, as he explicitly demonstrates; the interface being the 'collapse' of the wave function or 'decoherence' as he calls it, when superposition disappears. Since the wave function is 'all you need' and SE is 'not derived, just posited' makes me think it's a good candidate for the 'God' equation, meaning it fundamentally describes everything that's yet to come into being.

  • @TJ-hs1qm
    @TJ-hs1qm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    binging QM lectures, so much better than Netflix

  • @timos3419
    @timos3419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Stellar professor, excellent lecture. I have studied physics myself and got really frustrated. I know everything there is to know about boring physics lectures. This one is motivating, interesting and entertaining. Big up for Professor Adams.

  • @Yashmnash
    @Yashmnash 7 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Take a shot every time he picks up his bottle and doesn't end up drinking from it haha. Amazing prof.

    • @GB-rf4fu
      @GB-rf4fu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahaha

  • @addis11100
    @addis11100 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    he is a good prof of quantum

  • @IronCharioteer
    @IronCharioteer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    These really are great lectures. I'm using them to supplement my coursework and they're really helpful in giving meaning to the equations and solutions i derive in my homework. For instance, I have a midterm tomorrow and i feel pretty good with my ability to handle the math and solve problems; but if asked what my solutions imply i would be hard pressed to answer without the intuition i gain from these vids. This lecture series really helps build my understanding of the material.
    Thanks MIT OpenCourseWare!

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    • @pompookgantsu2286
      @pompookgantsu2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      explain the point of all this. What is it trying to achieve, why and how?
      Try to explain what all these equations are telling about time and how time works.
      Without complicated words.

    • @Jameslululu
      @Jameslululu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pompookgantsu2286 maybe you should just get some more brain cells and learn it yourself.

  • @Grymtydeify
    @Grymtydeify 10 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Anyone else transfixed on what he is drinking and how he transports it around the room without ever taking a sip?

    • @Quantiad
      @Quantiad 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who says it's a drink?

    • @fatpatMC
      @fatpatMC 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gregory Whittington thats coffee n either milk or carnation creamer

    • @Harish-yz1lb
      @Harish-yz1lb 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You have observed a macroscopic quantum mechanic event in action.

    • @sss-ol3dl
      @sss-ol3dl 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      i wasn't, but now i am

  • @guri__mann
    @guri__mann 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The explanation and the answer of the question around 57:00 was excellent.

  • @hurtcolor
    @hurtcolor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:00 explanation of wave function collapse 12:00 what happens next? 14:30 hook 15:30 good q
    18:00 personal note
    29:00 non deterministically by probabilities collapse
    30:00 !!!!
    33:00!!!!
    44:00 probability of E !!!!
    46:00
    51:00
    58:00
    1:03:00
    1:04:00 continuous k

  • @TheAhmedMAhmed
    @TheAhmedMAhmed 10 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    MIT is so awesome that I really want to study there!

  • @mattthewz8791
    @mattthewz8791 10 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Love MIT OpenCourseWare

  • @NovaWarrior77
    @NovaWarrior77 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    17:43 "A piece of chalk that I am treating as a quantum mechanical point particle." Physics textbooks in a nutshell.

  • @EvaTruve
    @EvaTruve 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice, I can listen to this and not get an headache! Main principles respected, thank god!

  • @alannolan3514
    @alannolan3514 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wonderful lecture - manages to work at both the intuitive level and the algebraic level. Thank you!

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    • @pompookgantsu2286
      @pompookgantsu2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      explain the point of all this. What is it trying to achieve, why and how?
      Try to explain what all these equations are telling about time and how time works.
      Without complicated words.

  • @matiashartmann7161
    @matiashartmann7161 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I took QM as an elective course in my electric engineering program. I can guarantee that if you had a solid core courses in calculus, diff eq, vectorial calculus and stochastic methods you will succeed and be just fine. I can define QM as a probabilistic method of understanding classical physics and in my opinion is what really happens in our everyday world. Good luck to the ones that are completing the course today. If I can help just let me know. Regards and good luck

  • @Gabriel-wq6tz
    @Gabriel-wq6tz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I really like this guy!

    • @myp9552
      @myp9552 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me either

  • @mohdrehankhan3635
    @mohdrehankhan3635 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    superb.. this professor REALLY LIKES his job. Unlike many professor in INDIA

  • @scottgreen3807
    @scottgreen3807 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A genius can be defined as someone who can redefine the obvious in such a way so as to return something of value that is beyond those who do not understand on this said genius level. This guy nails and proves it. People at work are getting tired of me telling that everything reduces to waves, probability statistics and magic, pure “fing magic”. Not a student but I love this stuff. Don’t stop.

    • @scottgreen3807
      @scottgreen3807 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s that great full dead juice.

  • @hamzabasharatbasharatali5045
    @hamzabasharatbasharatali5045 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Huge love and Respect to Professor from Pakistan

  • @naveenpoonia5425
    @naveenpoonia5425 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    34:26 did you guys notice that chalk trick

  • @tedsheridan8725
    @tedsheridan8725 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Just for once I want him to say "that's actually not a very good question".

  • @dcrespin
    @dcrespin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For those already initiated in QM I repeat here some comments previously made to similar videos. They may clarify debatable points.
    The Schrödinger time dependent equation (STDE) when applied to a wave representing an initial state of, say, an electron bound to a proton and together forming a hydrogen atom, predicts and retrodicts all the future and previous states of the electron wave, in the same fashion than the evolution equations of classical mechanics predicts the movement of the Earth around the Sun. Note that the STDE is energy conservative, that is, the initial state as well as the predicted and retrodicted ones all have the same energy.
    As is well known the bound electron has a completely different conduct. Whatever the initial state and in absence of other interactions an excited electron will settle in a stationary state radiating energy (in the form of a photon) along the way. If the stationary state is the ground state the electron will stay there forever (in absence, as said before, of other interactions). Otherwise the stationary electron state is ephemeral and will be abandoned to radiate a photon and assume a new stationary state of even lower energy. This "down the staircase" process repeats until the ground state is reached. There is no manner to adapt the STDE to this physical process. This inconsistency was discovered by none other than Niels Bohr, as can be inferred from the report of Werner Heisenberg. See our note
    www.researchgate.net/publication/356193279_Deconstruction_of_Quantum_Wave_Mechanics
    After discovering the tremendous inconsistency it would have been natural to announce that the STDE contradicted with physical facts, and ask for a correct equation. I assume as true, but only know from hearsay very long ago, that in Einstein's viewpoint the correct deterministic time dependent wave equation had to be non-linear. References to this historical detail would be appreciated.
    It is hard to believe but, against reasonableness and common sense, Bohr decided to adopt the STDE as correct and that continuity, causality and determinism of physical processes were wrong because they contradicted the STDE. Apparently mathematical equations on paper were more relevant than the experience of the whole human race. Then a series of new and fanciful "quantum physical principles" were adopted.
    In my opinion the powerful quantum establishment dogmatically defends Quantism and strongly rejects any attempt to correct its misdeeds, even if the correct deterministic time dependent wave equation available.
    With best regards to all.
    Daniel Crespin

    • @schmetterling4477
      @schmetterling4477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's utter bullshit. Even a cursory look at the Schroedinger equation tells you that it is not energy conserving.

  • @tayyabahaider3872
    @tayyabahaider3872 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To be honest, this is such an amazing lecture like we too learn quantum mechanics in class but it seems like those students that are asking questions know more than my teacher.

    • @pompookgantsu2286
      @pompookgantsu2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      explain the point of all this. What is it trying to achieve, why and how?
      Try to explain what all these equations are telling about time and how time works.
      Without complicated words.

    • @tayyabahaider3872
      @tayyabahaider3872 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hmm I am not that good in quantum mechanics that I should fully understand the whole lecture, but how much I got it's that here he tells about when a system evolves it means with respect to time, for that we use shrodinger equation while it is rich in concepts like you just can't precisely measure two non-commuting quantities , it gives that probabilities but not an exact number. When he talks about the eigen value , where he tells about superposition of states ,and so many more

    • @schmetterling4477
      @schmetterling4477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pompookgantsu2286 Time is that which the clocks show. We tried to explain that to you when you were five or six years old and then again when you were in high school.

    • @pompookgantsu2286
      @pompookgantsu2286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@schmetterling4477 omg this again LMAO you have no clue of what this video is about do you?

  • @davidhand9721
    @davidhand9721 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Holy crap, thank you for admitting that there was a serious contradiction in the time evolution according to Copenhagen. I have been trying to express that problem to physicists and get an answer about it for *YEARS*. All I get as a response is "shut up and calculate", or a restatement of the Copenhagen position that solves nothing, or they'll take my question down. They have tried to convince me that I'm crazy or dumb or irrational for seeing it as a huge problem. While you haven't made it make sense in this lecture, it's so nice to know that I am not the first moron to find Copenhagen deeply unacceptable.

  • @drbonesshow1
    @drbonesshow1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Operators wear a hat. The prime operators in quantum theory wear a top-hat.

  • @abebuckingham8198
    @abebuckingham8198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Concerning the discussion of infinite combinations of continuous functions becoming discontinuous at 24:38 I would just add that while it seems merely theoretical it provides further evidence of quanta. We have must have exactly so many wave functions interacting or we can break things like smoothness and continuity which match closely with observation. Limiting behavior defying observation is also what led to the ultraviolet catastrophe, another artifact of quantization.

  • @ipbatinic
    @ipbatinic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how the professor's level of passion for the field grows as the class progresses; clearly amped by the class grasping these counterintuitive and gorgeous mathematical models. It makes me nostalgic for those few short years of intense study, when you could pay to learn what you wanted to learn, in such a focused professional way; several radical departures from the first 12 years.

  • @bryabr5280
    @bryabr5280 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He is a brilliant teacher. Zwiebach is good too, but this guy is better.

  • @joaoalmeidamendes742
    @joaoalmeidamendes742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this professor is the GOAT, made me study during the summer what a GOAT

  • @RohitRaj-ve7ly
    @RohitRaj-ve7ly 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's just phennomenal way of teaching

  • @AlexMcshred6505plus
    @AlexMcshred6505plus 9 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    '...my life is easier if i don't think about curvy bottoms...' lol (@ 1:15:09)

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      @notbnull 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      good catch

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      @user-uu9dm5pz7z 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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      @augustineokekeoma1750 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @AlexMcshred6505plus
      @AlexMcshred6505plus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@user-uu9dm5pz7z Not that you should care particularly, it's irrelevent to QM, but classical liberalism/soft anarcho-capitalism isn't very rightwing. Whilst I think free market capitalism is the fastest way to improve technology and thus quality of life and so in most cases is the best option, I also think that it is the responsibility of a state to provide high quality essential services like healthcare, education, emergency services, and prisons etc. that are free at the point of access, funded by taxes. There are alot of important exceptions where market trends are natrually harmful to everyone. My social liberalism is clearly more 'important' than my slight econmic right-of-centre leanings. Basically don't claim me for your side, if I was American I'd have voted Biden.

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      @user-uu9dm5pz7z 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AlexMcshred6505plus 10 months ago is a long time in politics for me so I wouldn't associate myself back then to now. Besides economic conservatism and social liberalism is left wing in my view which is where you align. I loath social liberalism but I believe in regulating giant corporations to ensure that they do not have too much power which a lot in the GOP and the GOP leaders like to call pure socialism. But if these companies are to dictate/control a nation that is more powerful than the government, I think an entire free market should be limited to free market for an average citizen.

  • @sachirajmishra257
    @sachirajmishra257 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mit open course can make any physics student proud of himself

  • @thesattary
    @thesattary ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @NoOnyon
    @NoOnyon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whoever did the subs is a godsend

  • @y2536524
    @y2536524 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The best part of this lecture is how he could never drink his coffee

  • @LydellAaron
    @LydellAaron 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The statistical outcomes are based on the perspective, taken at the time of measurement. Perspective is similar to a geometric angle.

  • @NoName-yp6ow
    @NoName-yp6ow 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing these videos !
    I have studied the first one and I enjoyed them a lot !!
    I love the way Quantum Mechanics is teached and the very positive atmosphere of these lectures.
    I have found one explanation that didn't convice me.
    This is at 46 min about, during the solving of Shrödinger Equation (SE). Indeed, SE is simplified by replacing Psi(X,t) by Psi(X,0) and by replacing Energy operator by Energy Eigenstate. This is strange to replace Psi(X,t) by Psi(X,0) under the time derivative symbol because the result would be 0 in that case ... I think that one could apply Shrödinger equation at time 0 instead and therefore replace Energy operator by Energy eigenvalue and find the solution around time 0, then resolve this equation at time Delta t and so on ... and conclude that general solution is the one that is given in this video (perhaps another more straightforward way is possible).
    P.S.: sorry for my english, I am french ... nobody is perfect :)

    • @mildeluxe
      @mildeluxe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      teached naught - taught*

  • @kn9ioutom
    @kn9ioutom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I THOGHT I WAS KILLING TIME ! BUT TIME WAS KILLING ME !!!

  • @enisten
    @enisten 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    22:00 So, why are the superposition principle and linearity different from each other? How can you have a linear wave equation without your wavefunctions obeying the superposition principle? How can the wavefunctions obey the superposition principle without the equation of which they are solutions being linear? Are we making a pedantic distinction between physical properties of a system and the mathematical properties of the equation that describes that system?

    • @VeteranVandal
      @VeteranVandal 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      tokamak An example of a nonlinear equation that has the superposition principle in it:
      sin x = 0
      It is nonlinear (as you can readly tell) and its solutions are integer multiples of pi (neatly already homogenous) when considering just the real numbers. If you sum two solutions (equal or different) you get... Another solution. And that is additivity or superposition, at least in a very simple way.
      If y and z are two of the solutions of the equation above, one can clearly see that:
      sin (y+z) = sin(y) cos(z) + sin(z) cos(y)
      Because always when sin(x) = 0 => cos(x) = 1, implying, for instance:
      sin²(x) + cos²(x) = 1.
      Then:
      sin (y+z) = sin(y) cos(z) + sin(z) cos(y)
      = sin(y)*1 + sin(z)*1
      = sin(y)+sin(z) = 0+0 = 0
      As you can see superposition DOESN'T imply linearity. But the converse is true - even if there is no proof here, there is plenty of it elsewhere.
      Notice, however that this property doesn't apply to all x in our example (just the solutions, which seems to be good enough) and that it is not homogenous for all x in our example for similar arguments, even if homogenous for all solutions - and that seems, again, to be good enough.
      So superposition and linearity are different properties from each other, even if they are somehow related to each other. You can't have a linear equation without the superposition principle, but you can have a nonlinear equation WITH the superposition principle. We are not making a distinction between the properties of a system and the mathematical properties of the equation (but that is not physics or math, it is philosophy: some scientists would say you should make such distinction - Bohr would say that, actually - and other wouldn't); they are different properties.
      But your third question, I think, is not answered. What nonlinear wave equations with superpostions as its solutions can exist? I don't think we really KNOW the answer to this question.
      I've seen some examples of nonlinear equations with a superposition rule or a superposition principle even. But I don't know of any equation like that in quantum mechanics (I'm not an expert in nonlinear equations, though, and I think one could readly say that as well).
      So it would be interesting if somebody could tell me about some examples concernig such topics, just for curiosity - what I readly checked, in a quick search, was not entirely satisfactory or conclusive for me in that matter.

    • @pawanpoudel1983
      @pawanpoudel1983 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      to use a schrodinger equation first the superposition disappears and the wavw function collapses to a single one. so because the wave collapses i believe it needs not support the superposition principle.

  • @melinagomez5951
    @melinagomez5951 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The electrons in an atom are in stationary states. Atom is highly stable structure

  • @nathanokun8801
    @nathanokun8801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can also get some idea of the "decoherence" problem by determining the TYPE of infinity that the solutions can fall into when this occurs. Is it the smallest COUNTABLE infinity (Aleph Null in Cantor's system) -- the "rational numbers" -- or some higher infinity, such as the number of points on a line, "C" (called this because there is no proof that it is the next-highest type of infinity, though to my knowledge there is nothing between Aleph Null and C), which is, I think, the 'real numbers"? The former has separate, discrete values and the latter does not (its members flow smoothly into one-another with no "edges"). It seems to me that the former has to be true since all observers looking at a given result in a given universe see the same result, while the latter would allow somebody somewhere in that same universe to see a different result (slightly different or perhaps even very different), since the are no rigid "edges" (gaps between) to the values observed.

  • @heavenlyramey2566
    @heavenlyramey2566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this the findings will never end . I love that the explanation was always there. Waves and function.we will always be excited over the new great minds . I feel a lot more nobles handed the ones who are finding things first through math . Iqs are not measurements of intelligents. Discovery interest and problem solving through mind over what matters. I love beautiful clarity of all the findings. Life is beautiful with human computations. We are a United commutating astronomical society . Sorry for any of my mathmatical cop outs in life.I wouldn't be able to handle the general delusion in my condition. I'm intrigued by society.Ive been on hold a sleep for 17 yrs and people astound me with there all over intelligents .humar math science neurology. Man I got to learn just so I can play trivial pursuit. I just think people are so much more rich in depth. Your lucky.love your school !!!

  • @T0mstyle
    @T0mstyle 9 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Is there a video somewhere introducing the math into quantum physics? I like the abstract stuff, but when it comes to the equations, I'm totally lost.

    • @mitocw
      @mitocw  9 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      +Tom Franse The prerequisite math listed in the syllabus is 18.03 Differential Equations (or 18.034 Honors Differential Equations). You can find the MIT OpenCourseWare version of 18.03 at: ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-03sc-differential-equations-fall-2011

    • @T0mstyle
      @T0mstyle 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks!

    • @CrushOfSiel
      @CrushOfSiel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      +Tom Franse It's amazing how much easier this material becomes once you've had linear algebra and differential equations. I watched some over one summer and was just floored at how "hard" the subject was. Took those math courses now it's no problem at all.

    • @xrisku
      @xrisku 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      questions? when is the first exam? there's one in every class...

    • @czdaniel1
      @czdaniel1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      For anyone who would like introductory visual representation of the linear algebra, this link is from Yale's BioChem-101 lecture introducing the Schrodinger equation: th-cam.com/video/B4VSqAB_JcU/w-d-xo.html

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    52:30 Ok, what gives here? Stationary position for a particle. As soon s I measure position, I know the positin exactly. Therefore momentum is completely undetermined. Therefore it's almost certainly going to move - the probability that's momentum is zero, which it must be for it to remain stationary, is nil. So how can a particle ever sit still *when we know where it is*?

  • @kaushaltimilsina7727
    @kaushaltimilsina7727 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    We discussed that we can-with superposition of Eigen state Schrodinger equation solutions make approximately solution to the Schrodinger equation for any state, where the coefficients are the norm squared of the probabilities. Does it make sense in any way to map those coefficients into something like a maclaurin series-so like for each value of the nth derivative (n is an integer) of the function you get a coefficient, with everything else equaling to zero? - to account for the collapsing. But the problem with that would be we won't know which coefficient corresponds to which collapsing. So maybe we could take combination (product) of all such derivatives in all terms-but each degree of derivative evaluated at a different value than every other in a term and than the same variable in every term-in such a way that the symmetry takes away every term other than the one or two that we are able to compute. The combination of all possible degrees of differential functions would mean-okay take everything else as constant and how does this change-remove thay-now everything else as constant and how does this change and so on. While the equation itself would be very long to write down unless someone finds a clever approximate non-polynomial function -but we can still clearly be able to identify the terms that don't cancel out.
    Is this the formulation of Max Born interpretation-so that the series continues to exist even after measurement.

  • @MrArthur0920
    @MrArthur0920 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Is there a way to get the problem sets? I would very much like to read them

    • @mitocw
      @mitocw  9 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      MrArthur0920 The problem sets and solutions are available on the MIT OpenCourseWare site at ocw.mit.edu/8-04S13

  • @mainakbiswas2584
    @mainakbiswas2584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    46-50 : The convertion psi(x, 0) to psi(x,t) is not correct. the partial derivative of psi(x, 0) with respect to time is 0 then!
    He missed the assumption that the wavefunction in an energy eigen state will have fixed energy, so, the operator can be applied any time in the future (or past), i.e. at an arbitrary time.

  • @somegirl558
    @somegirl558 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally: I will understand this equation.

  • @marcomoraschi3537
    @marcomoraschi3537 ปีที่แล้ว

    It fits, is the point. Great lessons

  • @arunkancharla4455
    @arunkancharla4455 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    at 45:00 partial derivative of function at t=0 with respect to time,isn't that supposed to be equal to zero?

    • @IronCharioteer
      @IronCharioteer 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I know you're long past this question but this answer is for anyone else with the same question. What if the function is e^t? The time derivative of e^t is e^t, right? So the time derivative at t=0 is 1. That is, if Psi(t)=e^t then Psi'(0)=1.
      We have to look at what the function is. Usually the time-dependent part of the schodinger equation is given by something like Psi(t)=e^(-iEt/h) so we would NOT get 0 if we took the time-derivative at t=0.
      Now, what if Psi(t)=e^(-kt)? Then Psi'(0)=-k.
      Etc. etc.. etc..

    • @АлександрБагмутов
      @АлександрБагмутов 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In other words what he meant is: first take derivative of psi(x,t) and then assign t=0.

    • @dr.merlot1532
      @dr.merlot1532 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its exactly as Александр Багмутов says.

    • @phonon7549
      @phonon7549 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@АлександрБагмутовHow about the following step? That equation only applies when t=0, why did he extend this to all time t? 46:00

    • @phonon7549
      @phonon7549 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dr.merlot1532 That equation only applies when t=0, why did he extend this to all time t? 46:00

  • @ianbrewer4843
    @ianbrewer4843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great lecture

  • @upendrabhu512
    @upendrabhu512 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    mit lectures are very usefull for understanding quantum concept easily

  • @stumbling
    @stumbling 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1:15:09 I hear you, bro.

  • @LeeHoFooks
    @LeeHoFooks 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is above my head but I enjoy it.

  • @mahimasri1271
    @mahimasri1271 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Allan Adams r really a good prof.

  • @sheezanmajeedbhat2143
    @sheezanmajeedbhat2143 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Real food for thought

  • @aigirlsbar
    @aigirlsbar 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've some questions regarding this lecture.
    1. If the momentum is variable in nature during travelling of any object, then what could be the predictable approximation of Schrodinger wave function ?
    2. If the time gets collapsed or the time starts to run backward, I mean reverse, then how the wave function can be expressed ?
    3. As severally we read the time gets stopped inside the black hole, then can we really call a particle existing inside the black hole, as in eigen state ?
    ** If not so can it be possible to apply the time variant wave function at that place for computing energy ?
    *** If really we can't apply the time variant wave function, then is it true that the wave nature of any object disappears inside the black hole ?

    • @MrUmakemelaff
      @MrUmakemelaff 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      1. Magic 2. Sorcery 3. Witchcraft

  • @amoskowitz0103
    @amoskowitz0103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is MIT expensive?
    Yep!
    Do you get what you pay for?
    Absolutely!
    The best of the best of the best...

  • @darkinferno4687
    @darkinferno4687 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    the ideal professor

  • @Rishnai
    @Rishnai 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 48:10 the ability to convert between energy and momentum is situational, is it not? That is, not all energy would be equivalent to momentum but we can do so in this problem due to the location of the particle being the aspect of the state we are evolving over time?

    • @schmetterling4477
      @schmetterling4477 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kinetic energy and momentum always form a four-vector. They can not be separated because of relativity.

    • @Rishnai
      @Rishnai 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@schmetterling4477 Thank you for your reply. That confirms I’m misunderstanding what the nuclear engineering lectures on here are saying about energy transfer being affected by the momentum of the particles in question

  • @ghanshamchandel1854
    @ghanshamchandel1854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:30 he says we can only measure eigenvalues on measurements. Doesn't that imply 100% certainty in that observable?

    • @ProfessorMdoesScience
      @ProfessorMdoesScience 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This depends on the state you are measuring. If you measure a quantity for which you are in an eigenstate of the corresponding operator, then yes, you are 100% sure that the measurement will give you the corresponding eigenvalue. However, you can also have a state made of multiple eigenstates of the observable you are trying to measure. In that case, all you can say is what is the probability of getting a particular eigenvalue, which is given by the absolute value squared of the corresponding expansion coefficient.

  • @scottgreen3807
    @scottgreen3807 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, half way I say time is adjustable through observation. Matches the philosophy that we create what do observe. I’ll be back to edit. Decoherence is an optical term.

  • @camb5274
    @camb5274 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Any function can be expanded as a super-position of eigenfunctions of any operator of your choice." This is probably the largest take-away from this particular lecture, besides del_t psi = 1/ihbar e-hat psi, which is an interesting statement alone.

  • @Jon-cb9dt
    @Jon-cb9dt ปีที่แล้ว

    And so I base my argument to hold my thesis that time is equal to movement times distance and from here forward understand when I look upon a thing in physics thus be applied.

  • @ranjeetsingh-fw1ij
    @ranjeetsingh-fw1ij 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks mit

  • @phonon7549
    @phonon7549 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    46:00 is that wrong? That only applies when t=0. Why did he make such big change?

    • @phonon7549
      @phonon7549 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      45:36 that equation is nothing more than f'(0)=c where c is a constant. It is just a initial condition. How could he get the following equation at 46:00?

    • @phonon7549
      @phonon7549 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      46:00 Here I think he used his conclusion (what this tells me is that under time evolution, a state which is initially in an energy eigenstate remains in an energy eigenstate with the same energy 46:51 ). He did not prove this conclusion. He used his conclusion as his assumption in the process to obtain this conclusion.

    • @mainakbiswas2584
      @mainakbiswas2584 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      46-50 : The convertion psi(x, 0) to psi(x,t) is not correct. the partial derivative of psi(x, 0) with respect to time is 0 then!
      He missed the assumption that the wavefunction in an energy eigen state will have fixed energy, so, the operator can be applied any time in the future (or past), i.e. at an arbitrary time.

  • @melinagomez5951
    @melinagomez5951 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The partial with respect of time of a wave function \psi(X,0)?

  • @jaminkidd6285
    @jaminkidd6285 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    At around 14:07 Dr. Adams says, "The time derivative of position is the gradient of the force." What does he mean by this? Did he misspeak here? First of all, forces are vector quantities, so you can't take gradients of force functions (only divergences or curls). Second, even if you took, say, a one-dimensional ordinary derivative for Force=F(x), how would that give you velocity? I'm confused...

    • @ricomajestic
      @ricomajestic 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jamin Kidd I think he meant the gradient of the potential energy!

    • @jaminkidd6285
      @jaminkidd6285 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ricomajestic Yea, I figured he was referring to conservative forces being the gradient of a scalar potential. I suppose it was just a mistake!

  • @jackgude3969
    @jackgude3969 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:09:12 “Well look, this is clearly nonsense” 😂

  • @CNCichon
    @CNCichon 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like this teacher it lets you catch up

  • @akkalakakalakka
    @akkalakakalakka 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I forget how to multiply fractions from 5th grade, aside from that, where do I start?

    • @alexchristensen9537
      @alexchristensen9537 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Precalc then trig, calc 1,2&3 differential equations for physics, then take nuclear physics courses

  • @jasvindersingh2153
    @jasvindersingh2153 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is quantum physics concept for a physicist onet good nice lecture a little bit....

  • @STEM671
    @STEM671 ปีที่แล้ว

    SYSTEMS DYNAMICS; OBSERVERS OBJECTIVE ; WAYS TO ACHIEVE DETERMINIC OUTCOME

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Newton's equation F=ma is not "just posited." You can derive it using an action principle involving the Lagrangian. Where is the corresponding process for Schrödinger's equation?

  • @douglashurd4356
    @douglashurd4356 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 48:37, "Does the energy change over time? No." Entropy?

  • @user-rg1nt9lf4s
    @user-rg1nt9lf4s 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very good content sir. thank you .. sir kindly make a video on Bound
    States for Potential Wells with no rigid walls.(wkb approximation )

  • @TH-bk5hj
    @TH-bk5hj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just watched 10 minutes and I didn’t understand a fucking word he said. But yet for some reason I keep watching this shit

  • @AK-bs8jk
    @AK-bs8jk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    なにこれめっちゃありがたいなMIT最高か

  • @xiaoqilu1353
    @xiaoqilu1353 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think 46:00 is WRONG. First, he needs to assume that the E-hat operator doesn't concern t, in order to get the bottom-left equation. Second, the bottom-left equation is evaluated at time 0, he shouldn't just extend it to any time t without a proper argument, and obtain the bottom-right equation. I don't think I can trust the lecture series any more.

    • @mike4ty4
      @mike4ty4 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The operator he calls "Ehat" is actually "Hhat", the Hamiltonian operator. This is an important difference, and moreover not making it tends to obscure the meaning of the Schrodinger equation, which is deeply related to the idea of energy as the _generator of temporal translation_ in the same sense that momentum is the _generator of spatial translation_ , and in turn to Noether's theorem where that energy and momentum are the conserved quantities associated with homogeneity of the laws of physics with respect to both temporal and spatial translations (needs modification in General Relativity). The "real" operator Ehat is Ehat = ihbar @/@dt, which essentially mirrors the momentum operator phat = -ihbar @/@x, and thus just as phat acting on psi gives you the increment needed to move a small step forward in space, Ehat gives you the increment needed to move a small step forward in time. The trouble is that Ehat is actually not a bona fide quantum operator but a "pseudo-operator" which acts on the _sequence_ of wave functions throughout time: the system Hilbert space technically only contains the (equivalent of) wave functions at each single point in time, so Ehat does not live in the set of operators on that space. Hhat, however, _is_ a bona fide operator, as it applies to the configuration at any one point in time only, and what the Schrodinger equation - now writeable as Hhat psi = Ehat psi - is telling you is that for a solution to make sense, Hhat must also translate it forward in time in the same manner Ehat must, that is, that a time evolution sequence is only valid if it was generated by the same operator that gives the energy at each individual instant.
      In relativity theory, this notion of energy also shows up, too: all particles have a forward time-directed "four-momentum" component and this relates to their energy. And moreover, tells you the true physical meaning of energy. Energy is a measure of the dynamism of a system or object, and this also explains its role as "nature's money": to make things happen (dynamism) you need some of that dynamism-maker, i.e. energy. It is interesting also that one has to go outside of Newtonian mechanics to find this in its fully appreciable form, despite that the energy concept also appears within it.

    • @AriAldaco
      @AriAldaco 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, that's what I think... just because at t=0 the E-hat operator turns to be multiplication by a constant, that doesn't mean that at arbitrary t, the effect of the operator will be the same. At least I'm not sure that can be concluded by what has been said at that point. Also, assuming that, the resolution of the differential equation also is not correct... psi(x,t) = (i*h/E)(d/dt)psi(x,t), then the solution should be psi(x,t) = exp(I*h*t/E) + c(x), where c(x) is an arbitrary function of x, that can be obtained by the initial condition of psi(x,0). Not sure how the solution ends up being multiplied by the initial condition.

    • @mainakbiswas2584
      @mainakbiswas2584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly, I don't get, how can that be true. I was searching the comment section. It seems that noone has noticed it!

  • @monikap8777
    @monikap8777 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    50:45 why did he say that probability is whole function squared, when Postulate no 3. says it is only coefficient (in this particulare case exponential function) that should be squared to get the probability?

    • @schmetterling4477
      @schmetterling4477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The system is in a pure state. There is only one coefficient.

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "Schradinger" - that's driving me nuts.

  • @aeren2797
    @aeren2797 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    47:37
    shouldnt the schrödinger equation have parameter (x,t) instead of (x,0) at second row?

    • @LeconsdAnalyse
      @LeconsdAnalyse 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. Only in the wave function in the LHS.

    • @mainakbiswas2584
      @mainakbiswas2584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      46-50 : The convertion psi(x, 0) to psi(x,t) is not correct. the partial derivative of psi(x, 0) with respect to time is 0 then!
      He missed the assumption that the wavefunction in an energy eigen state will have fixed energy, so, the operator can be applied any time in the future (or past), i.e. at an arbitrary time.

  • @epsilonxyzt
    @epsilonxyzt 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cann´t thrust him, mixing different subjects, jumping everywhere in Physics, does´t mean knowledge, but not to be discovered the weakness and reduce the color of what should be covered under the lecture. The most part of time in excited state, is a show to draw attention that "I am a great, love me". I recommend the student see the MIT lecture 5 by another teacher in the continued of same subject. Listen 43:40 wrong again.

  • @not_amanullah
    @not_amanullah 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is helpful ❤️🤍

  • @antongromek4180
    @antongromek4180 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the end of the lesson:
    "Any questions?"
    "Uh?, yeah - could you please repeat the whole stuff?"🤪😳

  • @STEM671
    @STEM671 ปีที่แล้ว

    SYSTEMS DYNAMICS AS FUNCTION OF TIME DETERMINES ENTROPY ; MUTUAL NETWORK IN ORBIT AND DUE ORIENTATI0N DETERMINES WEATHER PATTERNS

  • @shashankgaur2336
    @shashankgaur2336 หลายเดือนก่อน

    53:40 according to the law of conservation of energy hence universe is in eigenstate ?

    • @shashankgaur4333
      @shashankgaur4333 หลายเดือนก่อน

      but position change

    • @schmetterling4477
      @schmetterling4477 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The universe does not conserve energy. Try again.

  • @Huntski36
    @Huntski36 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone finally said it

  • @TerrapinStation
    @TerrapinStation ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve never felt dumber in my life.