I can guarantee you he did not do it cause he loves her so much, but that he wants to show her off - he is a trophy guy, cause he himself has nothing to show
@@LaNoir. Yeah that was the strangest thing about tbe video. "My wife is literally perfect in my eyes." If he actually felt that way, he wouldn't feel the need to explicitly state it IMO. Just a srrange thing to say in a video.
What Shad does is like hiring an artist to create something, giving some markups of things for the artist to change, receiving it back, and then saying “look what I made.”
"but it takes an artistic eye to give markups! I'm not just inputting an order, I'm using my artistic skill to look at the strengths and weaknesses of multiple artists and put together what they've produced, it takes a lot of artistry to get them to do what I want!"
@@risky_busine55 lol yeah he would say that. I'm a professional illustrator and I can tell you that it does not take an artist to give markups. Everyone thinks they can but most people are just asking you to change weird things that they are hung up on, like a color they don't like or they want something needlessly moved for OCD reasons. Very few clients have suggestions that improve it, they just want to be involved and leave their mark, which is fine as long as it doesn't ruin it. Shad made his superwife's head too big doing such changes.
And why does he say "I have developed a very keen eye," "I have an clear artistic vision," "you might not be able to see the flaws in this image, but with my artistic knowledge, I can." It's like he's trying to gaslight us that his art is top tier. My art is not exactly better than his. My art has had weird angles, stretched proportions and an awkward overuse of creases and fabric folds. But I don't feel the need to overcompensate, as if I'm both proud and ashamed of it at the same time.
Shad: "The AI can't generate a 2000 pixel image because it would overtax my computer and my graphics card can't handle it." Oh boy, he'll shit bricks when he find out how many pixels are in a standard HD 1920x1080 image then...
Shad deserves a lot of critique for shilling with AI content generation and just being uncaring in general for anyone different than him. I just am commenting that this specific part is more of a minor mistake from him. Stable Diffusion at the time he had access to it likely was with 1.5, when the model is trained on square 512 x 512 px images. SD can make larger images than this but would require more tweaking for a cohesive output and would be way more demanding and impractical if it's a single GPU on a PC doing this, so I would think he was wanting to create a square 2000 x 2000 px image but it ended up not panning out, and he just mentioned it as 2000 px.
This is exactly what it's like to work with a commercial artist. You describe what you want, the artist creates a sketch, you make tweaks and suggestions, the artist implements them. You do a few rounds of revisions, and the _artist_ makes the image the _client_ imagined.
I’m a professional VFX artist and can confirm that you need to have your art torn apart by a teacher at least once before talking the way Shad does. You know he’s not an artists because real artists are humble. They know they aren’t as good as they want to be and never will be. Even a good artist taking like this dude would get laughed out of the room.
It's like when people call themselves musicians after taking every computer shortcut imaginable. No dude you're a DJ, no shame but don't act like you're doing the same thing as Yo Yo Ma when he plays the cello.
Yeah I’m a concept artist & agree that no pro artists speak like this. They’d get fired from a studio bc coworkers would find it insufferable. Besides, it really doesn’t matter how great u think yr work is, if yr AD/ client wants changes, u make them 😂
Im a professional 3d and 2d artist and yeah, real artists look for feedback and ways to improve their craft. They separate their work from themselves. Criticism of their art is not a criticism on them. Rather a step laid out to help them grow and experiment with different ideas.
But data scrapping is how people learn too… you look at pictures of other artists, learn about art theory and start to apply what you see to your own drawings… its not even uncommon for people that are starting to draw to literally copy to the best of their ability already existing art (you know, like putting a blank sheet of paper on top of the image and following the lines). No one would consider that process “stealing”, because it isnt. Ai does the same thing but at a ridiculously higher speed. It just identifies patterns and applies it to its own thing. My point is that if artist are expecting AI to go away because it will become “illegal” to steal images, you are dreaming. That will never happen because, base on how the tool actually works, its not true. I think artist should just be learning how to use it. If I could draw at all, I would work my ass off with AI to train a model with my exact art style, create my own characters and locations and use the AI to develop a great comic book, filling out the spaces were AI comes short. Then of course, artists will need to learn how to write or pay a writer. Lets see then if they dont also jump to AI writing (which is absolutely shit)
@@Jefstito But that's how writers learn. They read books, and then they copy those existing books. If I was a writer, I would write dozens of pages and then train AI on it to fill an entire comic book, then fix where AI comes short. Then of course, writers will have to learn to draw or hire an artist, but they'll probably just use AI for the art (which is absolute shit) As a writer *and* artist that researched how AI actually works: bro, please stop talking about things you have not a single clue about, you're ridiculing yourself. You sound like a 5yo using Magic Spice in the play kitchen, thinking they're a pro chef.
ai art is like asking an artist for a commision but you dont ask an artist and you dont pay them, you give a text based discription on what you want and show some pictures as examples so they know the general direction you want the piece to go. but with AI it just takes the art of others , mixes them up and gives you an amalgamation which resembles what you asked
The thing is that most creators (writters, guionists, etc) cant pay an artist to do the work. I’ve been trying to create a sort of comic for my book for years and I havent been able to because an artist in Fiverr will charge me 100 bucks for only a character design sheet of ONE character. Im not saying artists should charge less, btw, what Im saying is that in reality, not using AI means that, at least for regular people, their vision will never get done. And when I commissioned to artist I also send them images as examples that I want them to use and then they create their own thing… thats how AI works too. Copyright will never touch AI because adding input to it its not stealing, is pattern recognizition which is the same as how people learn things (it just does it a billion times faster). If you learn how the tool actually works you’ll know that part of AI will never get changed
@@Jefstito You also can't copyright AI "art", so you'll never "own" anything that it makes. So, uh. Nice time not owning your comic depictions I guess. Also, you DO know that the creator of ONE PUNCH MAN was- may I dare say it- a dogshit artist? Like, beginner of beginner. hardly steps away from stickmen. Yet, He still drew, he still pushed to share his story, and it was his passion and the good storytelling that made so many people like it anyways, and made a god-tier artist catch notice and offer to draw the comic for this guy- just because he wanted to. And look where it is now! Not to mention, Ai just- can't, to ANY degree, make comics right now. It doesn't know how to do the paneling, it's not consistent enough, ect. So basically all you could get is a 'character design' and then have to do the rest of the drawing yourself, or get someone else to. But, if you are going to do the rest of the drawing yourself, then why use Ai to make the character design? And if you're going to use other artists to help make the comic, you just defeated your entire point about not being able to afford artists.
@@Slash_6612 bruh… ffs try to get into someone else’s shoes… “hAvE fUN nOt OwNiNg AnYthIng”… yeah, thats pretty much what most people with a story in their hands and no money or name recognition already did… you didnt had ANYTHING because you’ll never had any drawing at all. And the example of One its literally one in a BILLION. Theres WAY more examples of people with shitty art and good stories that were NEVER noticed. Thats one of the stupidest things Ive ever heard as a comparison. And yeah, you cant do paneling but you can do some individual scenes that go over some dialogue or narration to accompany it and make it a little bit more appealing. With enough prompting and luck, you can get “close enough” images that will be a thousand times better than anything I could produce and like a million times cheaper than paying an artists. And no, I dont pay an artist to tweak the design. Thats what “having no money” kinda implies. Then again, like how I explain it before, Im not your target audience. Im not doing AI art because I want to but because its my only option. I cant pay you, even though I WOULD LOVE TO. And I can’t draw nor learn to draw when I still need to learn to get better at MY ART that just as difficult as yours. Not only that, but you consider One’s art shit and I look at it and think its a hundred times better than mine. You spent years perfecting your craft so its absolutely retarded to expect people to just “learn it” as if it was something you could just do amazing after a couple months. Look, I use to have a lot of sympathy for artists, but the more I talk to people like you Im really starting to give less of a shit. AI will replace EVERYONE sooner or later in every single job. Even writing will fall eventually. My point is that if you dont want to be left behind, you better learn how to optimize what you do with AI to get yourself to the next level. You can cry all you want or adapt. AI will take down the trash artists that are easily replaceable, so you better try not to be that or you are done. Keep bitching in forums and keep giving this stupid demands of people just because you are afraid you’ll be replaced. You WILL be replaced in less than 10 years UNLESS you figure out how to exploit AI. The best artist will use this tool and then take their work to never before seen heights, just like Excel did to accountants. The trash that was only good at keeping books in check got destroyed, while the people that use the time save to develop new skills thrive. Im not saying this is a good thing. AI fucking sucks. Worst invention in the history of mankind, but this reality now. Theres no going back
In my 36+ years creating artwork, I have never heard anybody say that they do not enjoy/liked the process to create an image. I’ve heard people say they don’t like working in one medium or another, but hating the process? That’s such a bizarre take for me.
If you want a clear example of the art style Shad imitated when younger, look up Winx Club. The proportions and the face shapes start to make sense when you realize it was a result of an exaggerated punk manga/anime style. That doesn't mean he's replicated it super well, but you can see the beginnings of someone building their own style. I think he just got upset it isn't "realistic". His writing isn't much better. It's clear he takes influence from Christopher Paolini and Tolkien, but never honed that inspiration into something truly distinct. I don't think he ever received the right encouragement. He got to a point in several areas of art where he's serviceable at best, and decided it was good enough. Like someone who learned to play chopsticks on piano and figured that made them a musician under technical definitions.
That, and the fact that he starts all "his" characters by tracing a real artist characters. There’s nobody else realize that the girl with the swords and the bow in her hair is just over a Harley Quinn drawing? Or some other Harley Quinn style character from an anime Still?
He's tracing. He's always tracing. His "sketches" are straight outlining, and in his example of sketch to ai art, he didn't even bother to not sketch the damn clothes of the 3d asset he used.
@@jarrodhroberson Now imagine Shad saying he is an industry professional and his mastery lies in characters and anatomy - to his professional artist brother - at a con - while livestreaming - totally didn't happen. _YT: Minor evidence to Shadiversity being protective of his status as an artist._
Well, if the characterization of his weirdo, angsty megarapist self-insert in his book is any indication, dealing with Shad on the daily must be the tenth circle of hell.
If Shad's going to channel the Late (Truly) Great Bob Ross for this video, at some point he's going to need to say "We don't make art thefts, we just have happy little acquisitions."
6:15 this is basically a hyper deformed dynamic heroic figure style that cropped up in the late 90s/early 00s. It's associated with Y2K and punk/street aesthetics. Shad doesn't do it a lot of justice here unfortunately 😅
@@Schinken_except he's using beginner artwork to justify how great he is at proportions and how much of an artistic eye he has. He made art as a teen (lets be honest he was likely trying to copy his brother Jazza) hasnt done anything since then and is now using ai to brag about how great an artist he's actually been this whole time despite how bad it still is. He could have spent all those years improving and practicing and actually being humble. But instead he wanst to skip the work it takes to actually be good at art and instead claim how great he is with no effort on his end
Honestly, Shad's work that he shows at the start of the video was good. If he'd kept up the practice to now I wouldn't be surprised if he'd be a match for his brother. Edit: Traced? Zamn! Might have to revise my estimation of him even lower.
The girl with the two swords is a Winx Club character he TRACED and changed the colors on and added the swords to. That is why the hands are not holding the swords. "His" arts is not even his!
I thought I saw that character from somewhere! I paused the video and stared for like 20 minutes trying to figure out why the fuck that character looks so familiar
Man, it annoys me a little when people say that ai image generators are tool for artist, it can generate reference, sure, but that's about it. When I think, as an artist, how I would appreciate ai tools would be something like analyzer that can break images to basic forms or skeletons (when studying some good images and you try to figure out the underworks or whatever) or ai critic that tries guess light source in your image, maybe checks your color choices and their balances, maybe checks proportions if wanted (will not edit, but gives guides) or ai tool that can try to detect if image is ai generated or, funny enough, generator that can make you stuff like hand references into separate layer in your current work (considering how bad ai generator is for generating hands, right now) you know, instead of "guiding guiding guiding" AI generator, have a AI that can give guide to artist.
They don't even generate good references. They generate inspirational springboards, kind of like a friend who spitballs random ideas and you go "hey, that's actually a pretty fun idea," and you proceed to do whatever you want, without taking a second look at the generated image.
One of the best uses of AI art I've seen was for a Fallout 4 mod that adds collectible coffee mugs, and since there's like 200 of them and they're tiny, making a picture for each one would be extremely tedious and pointless seeing as most players would just look at them once and never again, so it uses a bunch of AI images for the coffee mugs, just enough to make each mug feel unique, and since this is a free mod and not something advertising itself as a piece of art, it's not attempting to replace anyone, just making the game slightly more enjoyable.
@@Niobesnuppa Agreed, that is good use and there are many similar cases (generating images for ttrpgs that you play amongst your friends comes in mind). That is when you use AI basicly as "art consumer" for work that is non-commercial.
As someone highly interested in interaction design, I can see multiple ai tools which are definitely not generative ai and deserves more recognition, I don't understand why we are so focused on generative ai, with ethical issues and not the actually helpful ai tools
By the way, the term 'hard magic' is a legitimate term (that absolutely does not apply to Shad's magic system from what I've heard). It basically refers to a magic system that is very well-defined and rule-based. Basically every magic system Brandon Sanderson comes up with are examples of this, as well as Eragon to give another good example.
He and his wife were likely matched in the LDS Church, by the elders, when she was 14 (the age of his victims in his book), and THAT'S the version of her he likes...
I was raised Mormon in the 80s. The leaders of the church don't match you with someone when you're a teen. You don't have to like the Mormon church, but for the love of God do some basic research.
It’s so creepy, that his idealised version of his wife looks like a barely pubescent teenage girl. And he’s sharing this information without a shred of self-awareness or shame. Incredible.
@@lady_draguliana784 Indeed. He’s like a platonic ideal of a right wing commentator. So thin skinned he should be living in an ICU, completely lacking in self-awareness, perpetually convinced of his own rightness regardless of how many facts prove him wrong, and habitually lying about his detractors, while whining about them in the voice of a 12 year old, who had just been told he won’t get his game boy back for a week.
5:33 btw, just a word of advice for anyone , dont read shad's book lmao , its literally a serial rapist power fantasy, thats it. ( more in-depth if you'd like the suffering - old bored king thats also the most powerful swordfighter and smartest person on the planet went through whole life ruining other's people's life out of boredom discovers some shitty quest and therefore turns 17 again and goes on an adventurer with his own victims while disguising himself as his own son ) - like , alright , i get it man , art is hard, but fuck man, you cant write that type of shit, specially in last quarter of the book. This guy went from weird AI art guy to overall actually bad/harmful-to-society kind of person
Protagonist (lacking better word) of his "novel" would be great Darklord of Ravenloft though. Not one of those Darklords that actually have real authority in their domains as well.
Eh, I don't agree with that, I think that is just an ignorant outlook on art. Telling people not to consume media because "its bad" is just anti-intellectual. Media literacy isn't built on just consuming high quality works, mediocre projects can also tell you a lot about art itself and better help you understand your own worldview. Personally, I like reading/watching things I don't like once in a while as it helps me understand why I don't like certain things in the first place. Not even hate-watching, just try to be perceptive of why we reject some things.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 while i agree and i feel like thats a valid point in general , i do believe that in more "shocking" ( although most people that use the internet today are all desensitized ) contexts - like that of rape and such - that doesnt really apply much. a good example of that ( although much more extreme ) is that i dont need to see someone get unalived to understand that it is both not very good and also not for me. In my original comment , i said "word of advice" in the same way you'd tell someone to not go click that specific video with a cutesy thumbnail cuz thats not whats the video about - again , i'm not yo dad or anything, but i'd rather say what i've said and prevent at least one person from losing their time on that than just say nothing because consuming bad media is sometimes good.
I genuinely wonder if shit like this puts a strain on Shad‘s marriage… It can‘t be good for their relationship that he constantly just grabs pics of her face and plop it onto images of these unrealistic comic book women‘s bodies… instead of her‘s. „Look honey, I made an idealized picture of you. And with idealized I mean I only kept the vague idea of your face and replaced everything else…“ I‘m sure that must feel great.
AI art is the equivelent of a wannabe chef taking 100 cakes from other chefs, blending them into a slurry, then rebaking into a new cake. And adding a few fingers for good measure.
@@AlexReynardthe thing is, throwing together multiple different types of cakes with different flavours together isn't gonna come together to form a good cake. It's just a confusing mix of textures and flavours and I also think blending a cake with its icing and decor together will not end up giving you a solid base for another cake.
Putting the moral dilemma of AI art aside. The difference between Shad moving onto digital mediums and ai art is that with the digital mediums, he still had to ink and paint the sketches, digital art programs didn’t ink it and paint it for him and certainly didn’t fuck up his ink strokes or change his colors randomly
Imagine you're ordering from Domino's and they give you a pizza. It's a bit burnt so you call back and ask for a remake and they give you another pizza. This one doesn't have the garlic oil on the crust so you call back and ask for a remake and they give you another pizza. And you keep nitpicking things wrong with the pizza and the Domino's (definitely don't just start ignoring your phone number and) keeps giving you more pizzas. Then when you finally get the pizza you wanted you say "You see, without my input this pizza would have never been made! I'm a chef!" That's what's going on here.
Couple of things. One: AI art makes me feel unimaginable sadness. Looking at one of those pieces is seeing an amalgam of clashing styles be corralled like scared zoo animals into an environment that they do not belong. AI art is technique absent of style, it is communication without meaning, it is dead space... Words written by AI scare me, because it's not terribly hard to get a robot to produce walls of informative text, or short responses that sound human. In my opinion, half of all verbal communication is pure information and the other 50% is style. An infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of typewriters will produce Shakespeare and all that. However, visual arts are arguably ENTIRELY about style, because even the most technically amateur works can still inspire greatness (For reference: artists like Hannah Hoch, Aleksandr Rodchenko, and Marc Chagall, or animation like Crayon Shin-Chan, Home Movies, and Squidbillies). But give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of paintbrushes, and they will never produce a Caravaggio, for they will never be able to communicate what the man himself intended to communicate. No amount of technological progress will ever lead to AI art becoming real art, because it fundamentally lacks the conscious element that real art requires. Two: No real artist would ever speak about their work like he does. I'm a writer, 3D artist, and physical model maker. My personal style lends itself well to working with physical spaces and scale, rather than abstraction, so I always had a love of physical crafts and sculpting, whose fundamental lessons transitioned to the computer. I have an interest in all art forms, but I know where my limits are, where my strengths are, and I seek to learn and get better every day. My work has been torn apart by friends, by mentors, by colleagues, and by randoms on the internet, and I am equally grateful for each and every piece of criticism as well as every compliment. I am fiercely hard on myself to the point that I end up hating everything I ever work on as I have poured every ounce of love and attention into it until I have nothing else to give. Shad strikes me as a man who never once took a good faith criticism to heart, never once questioned his abilities, and never ONCE set out to improve his style. Tracing is one thing, it is a tool to build muscle memory and learn your implements, but idolizing your traced crap and returning to it, not to show off how much you have improved by redoing it, but to add more bits to it, is NOT evolving... Every time I get a new texture brush, or a new tool for physical sculpting, or a new model kit to assemble, I always copy somebody else's work as closely as I can to get a handle on what I am working with and build confidence to incorporate lessons learned into my own style. I would never be so presumptuous as to call myself a 'real artist', but I know that my approach to art is one echoed by many artists I respect, ones who I do consider real artists. An artist arrogant about their own work is an artist who has never had to question themself and their motivations. The ability to doubt yourself and push through it, rather than digging in your heels to justify mediocrity is what separates real artists from those pretending to be something they are not...
"Dunning-Kruger effect isn't real." "Then how do you explain this?" Seriously, every time I see that video again, I discover something new he brags about being an expert in when he clearly isn't.
If I remember correctly, it was. If not all of the video, at least some of the lines are done by an AI using a sample of his voice and he did it to prove a point. I'm pretty sure it was this video he did it with.
If he really wanted to claim that AI art is real art that takes skill, the least he could do is manually edit the picture without having to constantly cycle it through the AI progam. Instead the video just emphasizes how AI "artists" are too afraid to actually show off any pretense at skill without having the computer fix it for them. The whole thing is like watching someone who isn't capable of writing legibly without spell check correcting all their errors, but who doesn't realize that spell check can't hide all the grammar mistakes that reveal how the whole thing is just gibberish at its core.
Crazy how he thinks that just because he needs to rely on AI for art (and admitted to hating the artistic process), he tells us we also NEED to adapt and use it
I don't know why Shad is doing this crap. One thing he knows how to do is carpentry, he built a Dr Who TARDIS for his Wife. Instead of making a channel where he builds cool stuff, he is wasting his time stealing other people's assets and writing trash. Also his wife has larger shoulders than his version of super girl, I checked.
He could literally just take pics of his wife in costumes and then using stock assets, photoshop her till he gets what he wants, instead he is having the AI do the leg work for him and then he just edits his wife's face onto it and calls it a day.
@@ariwright206 Yeah, potentially using it to create some variations of his own work without having to make whole new images. I think using AI to rough out draft ideas or to make a few versions of a work so you cut down tinkering hours is fine
I don't think he is necessarily de-aging shit and being creepy, I think the problem is his skill level is on par with a teen that has just discovered how to draw books and has reached a point where they can recreate the step by steps in those books and copy characters from their fav cartoons/comics but lacks the technical know how/drive to push beyond that. He removes a lot of detail from the ai images he is given until the bodies resemble what his drawing skill level is but he clearly wants to do realism cos it seems he views realism as the greatest artistic achievement so he slaps a badly photoshopped realistic face onto these cartoonishly proportioned realistic bodies and it gives off weird uncanny child-like/youthful vibes because he he doesn't know how to make the heads match the bodies, I don't even think he is aware that he is manipulating the AI images to match his poor art skills because he has tricked himself by having it in a photo realistic style.
I like it for making reference and conceptualizing things quickly. That is about it. If I ever used it for any project I do (still just reference art), I wouldn't at all call it "My art". At best, "my vision" or something like that. If I can afford and want refined art, I will always get an artist.
If you like repeatedly trying to direct a bad artist (the AI) to correct the errors it keeps generating, over and over and over, then I guess this might be for you.
@@cloudycolacorp Probably. Then again, if one makes poor decisions in trying to "improve" the picture (like with, say, anatomy and lighting that doesn't make sense in the context of what the ostensible goal of the piece is), the machine may start to pick up bad "habits". It may all turn into bland(er) gruel...
I don’t like when people make fun of amateur art especially now more than ever when young people will become even more discouraged. Obviously his old art wasn’t great but I could at least respect it as him trying his best and you can actually see a coherent style that was distinctly him. If he would have had some formal training and openness to learn the basics from other people he absolutely could have improved a lot. Instead he gave in to his insecurities and gave up on making art. But he still wants to call himself an artists for being able to type in some words and do some extremely basic photoshop edits on top of the computer’s painting based on stolen art.
Nearly every basic item in our homes were once products of skilled craftsmen. Paintings are just a more advanced form of the replacement. Skilled artisans still exist, be it for furniture or pottery but they now charge premium prices.
Am I the only one that would be incredibly skeeved out if my SO did that many projects based off my appearance, and then even more so if he put them online? In fact, I'm kinda creeped out on his wife's behalf.
tbh handdrawing custom photocard backings while listening to this video was a trip,,,, if shad had seen my CSP hud he would lose his marbles lmaooooooo
58:33 "This literally feels like me making changes on a canvas with a brush." Um, isn't that the exact thing he said he was not interested in doing, and was trying to get away from, by using Ai? He talked about how he was not so interested in the time consuming mechanical effort of drawing or painting that he found to be tedious. And yet he says this feels like it. What is the point? I guess it "feels like it" in the way that pushing a button on a game controller "feels like" swinging a sword and killing a dragon. Not nearly the same, bro. I mean, if he enjoys doing this stuff, OK. But It's not interesting to me. (And yeah, I have concerns about the ethics of aggregating and mechanizing the effort, learning, and practice of millions of artists... and of using who knows what photos from all over the internet to train these things.)
Here's what I don't get... Shad has money. Of course he does, right? He's written a book, runs a full channel, and collects swords and stuff for a living. Why not just pay for a basic lighting setup, get a green screen, and just do photo cosplay? Like he could get a costume, go in front of his castle, get a friend to take pics of him and his wife doing fantasy stuff, right? Then he could share it around and find an audience that will pay a Patreon to help support him doing something genuine and wholesome. I mean, ALL of these are just photos of him with his wife anyways, you know? So why not JUST dress up with his wife and do something fun that lets him spend time with her? He's already got the swords, so there's a lot of fun props right there, you know? And you could get multiple images out of each setup instead of taking hours doing all this BS just to see her in a costume anyways?
honestly i think one very telling thing for that ai "art" isn't art is that it can't be put into other mediums of art, such as an artistic eye being taken into photography, and or knowing what colors would look best together in decorating If one actually goes through the process of art you will naturally understand these things, especially also things such as shading, lighting, warm vs cool tones and many more With ai "art" however, there is no process of figuring out those processes, all you are doing is letting the ai use your prompt to find specific images that are then converted to patterns and data to then be added to an image You aren't the one actively choosing the color pallet for it to create a specific mood you want, or making the warm tones in such a way a viewer focuses on a specific point And hell, ai really cannot understand at all how shadows or lighting works since what it works on is noticing patterns, not the 3d environment the character or object is supposed to be in
To be fair, his original art had potential. If he spent his time refining his skill and style he could have had a rather neat, heavily stylised approach to art. (I get that heavy stylisation isn't everyone's jam, but it does take skill and effort.)
I love that he gets to the end and the only change he makes to the proportions is to make her shoulders SMALLER! Only further emphasizing the way too big head.
"I have a distinct eye for proportion" Literally all the artwork has bad proportions even for this "style" he has. And all the ai art with his wife's face have heads that are too large. Every. Single. One. Like, dude at least be good at the things you are saying youre good at
Shad spent over an hour stating to his audience how he stole art from various artists and then proceeded to say it was his and he put so much time and effort into making it come out as good as it did while it's all crap. And his brother seems to be a proper skillful artist to boot...
I hate that people call an algorithm that predicts the next set of rgb values as per calculation made from a set of images "AI art" Imo, you could call dwarf fortress story system a piece of AI art. I think any number of worlds generated by the game are still a part of a single piece of art, but it is art nonetheless. There's no art in predicting numbers. There isn't really even an AI. AI was used to tune the system, sure, but the system itself isn't an AI. I wish "AI artist" at least contributed to the AI, thus making anything with their creative labour. Mfs are using 3rd party software built on open source tech. Nothing stops them from making stuff that doesn't look like every other AI picture. Go come up with a way to fulter AI pictures from non AI pictures, go increase the precision beyond a usual AI slop style. Make SOMETHING new. At least the people who made predictive algorithms were creatives. Like, they describe figuring out AI keywords as artistry, but it isn't even a useful skill. It's an imperfection in a system that will be inevitably fixed if "AI art" sticks(bet if you made your own system and let it run for a week instead of 2 seconds, you won't even have to toy with words)
While rigging generally, and make effects look good and fit. That is art. I meanvtuber models looking good and avatars and gci efgect artists. Becase its an art to make 8t look good. The stolen art and not you using creativity is the problem. Also how, apearently DMs in campains sometimes use it, to play around, is fine. But its inherent art theft, if you try to monitize it. Plus damn, artists need comisdions, you xan always comission. And human art is creative. And by actually drawing and using your art to get together. There is ones webtoon thats making his not best art , art for example Teenage shads image looks way better due not looking incredibly uncanny. Imao.
bro i just realized he admitted to using AI to make a REPRESENTATION of his wife’s face. he didn’t take any pictures of her. that’s how he “sees her”. it took him “100s of hours” of shoving together prompts to generate his “face models”. we need a wife reveal and i s2g if she looks nothing like the face model, i would not be surprised because his level of delusion starts with his eyes.
If you start with something shonky, there is no way to make it better. The proportions of the AI generated image were all over the place, so every change he did made it even worse. The bones of the piece have to be correct before you even begin on the shading and detail. All he did was generate a substandard piece of AI art and give it a new skin. Congrats buddy, you're awful at this.
I stopped following shad a little while ago because his HEMA (historical european martial arts) videos were pretty weak and comments on story telling were always unconvincing. I've made some sketches of original ideas I've had. It's okay but I need more practice and detailed creativity to make my sketches. I have used A.I. to make art and it is faster and better than what I would make by hand with some specific creative details incuded. I generated a picture of Lucifer as a leader and a benevolent figure of light since I'm a Satanist. I actually appreciated that. I think the difference between shad and I is that I don't present myself as an "artist". I just want the ultimate result to be worthy of people's attention. That's why I feel more equipped as a writer to write art through stories and poetry.
If you were to remove Shad's contributions then there wouldn't be much of a difference but, if you removed the AI's contribution then you would have a couple bits of colour with his wife's head awkwardly photoshopped on. Shad, a terrible drawing of your wife is more significant, valuable, and heartfelt than this.
Hard magic just means magic that follows specific rules, compared to "soft magic" which is just whatever with barely any rules to it. Oh yeah Civitai is like... 80% porn.
I’ve seen some people photoshop themselves sometimes to look like a fictional character. So it’s not much of a surprise. But his ‘knowledge’ in Anatomy doesn’t seem to shine like what he preaches to be in his Supergirl image. Because already, the proportions on the final image look so uncanny to me. His wife’s head appears to be too big for her body, even if it’s meant to have some slight foreshortening to it.
He seems to love describing things that most people understand, as if he's discovered it for the first time and he's the one introducing it to us.
It's... what stupid people that think they are smarter than everyone else do...
you could even say he's mansplaining, which seems a very him thing to do in general.
@@vinx.9099 AI-splaining.
Dunning-Kruger-Effect
This is a lot of mental gymnastics to explain just wanting to photoshop your wife's face onto hot girls.
I can guarantee you he did not do it cause he loves her so much, but that he wants to show her off - he is a trophy guy, cause he himself has nothing to show
@@LaNoir. Yeah that was the strangest thing about tbe video. "My wife is literally perfect in my eyes." If he actually felt that way, he wouldn't feel the need to explicitly state it IMO. Just a srrange thing to say in a video.
What Shad does is like hiring an artist to create something, giving some markups of things for the artist to change, receiving it back, and then saying “look what I made.”
Except worse because the art that's being rendered isn't art
Except a real artist is going to be pissed off if you start claiming _their_ work is actually _yours._
@@drtaverner Which is why real artists are rightfully pissed off at people like him because AI "art" generators are trained using stolen art 😢
"but it takes an artistic eye to give markups! I'm not just inputting an order, I'm using my artistic skill to look at the strengths and weaknesses of multiple artists and put together what they've produced, it takes a lot of artistry to get them to do what I want!"
@@risky_busine55 lol yeah he would say that. I'm a professional illustrator and I can tell you that it does not take an artist to give markups. Everyone thinks they can but most people are just asking you to change weird things that they are hung up on, like a color they don't like or they want something needlessly moved for OCD reasons. Very few clients have suggestions that improve it, they just want to be involved and leave their mark, which is fine as long as it doesn't ruin it. Shad made his superwife's head too big doing such changes.
And why does he say "I have developed a very keen eye," "I have an clear artistic vision," "you might not be able to see the flaws in this image, but with my artistic knowledge, I can." It's like he's trying to gaslight us that his art is top tier. My art is not exactly better than his. My art has had weird angles, stretched proportions and an awkward overuse of creases and fabric folds. But I don't feel the need to overcompensate, as if I'm both proud and ashamed of it at the same time.
I don't think he's trying to gaslight us, he's trying to convince himself
Not just us, he's trying to gaslight *himself* into thinking that.
Pride and shame = insecurity
„My wife has the most beautiful smile. So let me just GENERATE A SMILE WITH AI INSTEAD OF USING HER ACTUAL SMILE!!!“
GENIUS! What an artist!!!
Shad: "The AI can't generate a 2000 pixel image because it would overtax my computer and my graphics card can't handle it."
Oh boy, he'll shit bricks when he find out how many pixels are in a standard HD 1920x1080 image then...
Quite rusty on math, but it's easily over million pixels.
@@vksasdgaming9472Just over 2 million, in fact.
@@DeathEatsCurry Commodore 64 has 64 000 pixels on screen.
Shad deserves a lot of critique for shilling with AI content generation and just being uncaring in general for anyone different than him. I just am commenting that this specific part is more of a minor mistake from him.
Stable Diffusion at the time he had access to it likely was with 1.5, when the model is trained on square 512 x 512 px images. SD can make larger images than this but would require more tweaking for a cohesive output and would be way more demanding and impractical if it's a single GPU on a PC doing this, so I would think he was wanting to create a square 2000 x 2000 px image but it ended up not panning out, and he just mentioned it as 2000 px.
This is exactly what it's like to work with a commercial artist. You describe what you want, the artist creates a sketch, you make tweaks and suggestions, the artist implements them. You do a few rounds of revisions, and the _artist_ makes the image the _client_ imagined.
Right? I have only commissioned a few pieces from artists, but the process has always been exactly as you described.
I’m a professional VFX artist and can confirm that you need to have your art torn apart by a teacher at least once before talking the way Shad does. You know he’s not an artists because real artists are humble. They know they aren’t as good as they want to be and never will be. Even a good artist taking like this dude would get laughed out of the room.
It's like when people call themselves musicians after taking every computer shortcut imaginable. No dude you're a DJ, no shame but don't act like you're doing the same thing as Yo Yo Ma when he plays the cello.
Yeah I’m a concept artist & agree that no pro artists speak like this. They’d get fired from a studio bc coworkers would find it insufferable. Besides, it really doesn’t matter how great u think yr work is, if yr AD/ client wants changes, u make them 😂
It's what you call 'grifter talk'
Typical way AIbros, cryptobros and grifters talk to trick you into thinking they're actually doing anything
Im a professional 3d and 2d artist and yeah, real artists look for feedback and ways to improve their craft. They separate their work from themselves. Criticism of their art is not a criticism on them. Rather a step laid out to help them grow and experiment with different ideas.
Salvador Dali was NOT humble, but he made his ego tolerable being prolific and highly skilled in his crafts.
As Steven Zapata said, the problem is not the AI, is the data scraping, the problem is the way in which AI is being built.
the real problem are the ai bros that think they actually created something and sell it to even dumber people
@@LaNoir. let's agree that there's a lot of problems XD
But data scrapping is how people learn too… you look at pictures of other artists, learn about art theory and start to apply what you see to your own drawings… its not even uncommon for people that are starting to draw to literally copy to the best of their ability already existing art (you know, like putting a blank sheet of paper on top of the image and following the lines). No one would consider that process “stealing”, because it isnt.
Ai does the same thing but at a ridiculously higher speed. It just identifies patterns and applies it to its own thing.
My point is that if artist are expecting AI to go away because it will become “illegal” to steal images, you are dreaming. That will never happen because, base on how the tool actually works, its not true.
I think artist should just be learning how to use it. If I could draw at all, I would work my ass off with AI to train a model with my exact art style, create my own characters and locations and use the AI to develop a great comic book, filling out the spaces were AI comes short.
Then of course, artists will need to learn how to write or pay a writer. Lets see then if they dont also jump to AI writing (which is absolutely shit)
@@Jefstito But that's how writers learn. They read books, and then they copy those existing books. If I was a writer, I would write dozens of pages and then train AI on it to fill an entire comic book, then fix where AI comes short. Then of course, writers will have to learn to draw or hire an artist, but they'll probably just use AI for the art (which is absolute shit)
As a writer *and* artist that researched how AI actually works: bro, please stop talking about things you have not a single clue about, you're ridiculing yourself. You sound like a 5yo using Magic Spice in the play kitchen, thinking they're a pro chef.
"Its like I now have four wives."
Ok since he's mormon this is funnier than you think. 😆
Shad is an idiot, but Mormons don't have multiple wives. You confusing it with the people who left the Mormon church so they could practice polygamy.
ai art is like asking an artist for a commision but you dont ask an artist and you dont pay them, you give a text based discription on what you want and show some pictures as examples so they know the general direction you want the piece to go. but with AI it just takes the art of others , mixes them up and gives you an amalgamation which resembles what you asked
The thing is that most creators (writters, guionists, etc) cant pay an artist to do the work. I’ve been trying to create a sort of comic for my book for years and I havent been able to because an artist in Fiverr will charge me 100 bucks for only a character design sheet of ONE character. Im not saying artists should charge less, btw, what Im saying is that in reality, not using AI means that, at least for regular people, their vision will never get done.
And when I commissioned to artist I also send them images as examples that I want them to use and then they create their own thing… thats how AI works too. Copyright will never touch AI because adding input to it its not stealing, is pattern recognizition which is the same as how people learn things (it just does it a billion times faster).
If you learn how the tool actually works you’ll know that part of AI will never get changed
@@Jefstito You also can't copyright AI "art", so you'll never "own" anything that it makes. So, uh. Nice time not owning your comic depictions I guess.
Also, you DO know that the creator of ONE PUNCH MAN was- may I dare say it- a dogshit artist? Like, beginner of beginner. hardly steps away from stickmen. Yet, He still drew, he still pushed to share his story, and it was his passion and the good storytelling that made so many people like it anyways, and made a god-tier artist catch notice and offer to draw the comic for this guy- just because he wanted to. And look where it is now!
Not to mention, Ai just- can't, to ANY degree, make comics right now. It doesn't know how to do the paneling, it's not consistent enough, ect. So basically all you could get is a 'character design' and then have to do the rest of the drawing yourself, or get someone else to. But, if you are going to do the rest of the drawing yourself, then why use Ai to make the character design? And if you're going to use other artists to help make the comic, you just defeated your entire point about not being able to afford artists.
@@Slash_6612 bruh… ffs try to get into someone else’s shoes… “hAvE fUN nOt OwNiNg AnYthIng”… yeah, thats pretty much what most people with a story in their hands and no money or name recognition already did… you didnt had ANYTHING because you’ll never had any drawing at all.
And the example of One its literally one in a BILLION. Theres WAY more examples of people with shitty art and good stories that were NEVER noticed. Thats one of the stupidest things Ive ever heard as a comparison.
And yeah, you cant do paneling but you can do some individual scenes that go over some dialogue or narration to accompany it and make it a little bit more appealing. With enough prompting and luck, you can get “close enough” images that will be a thousand times better than anything I could produce and like a million times cheaper than paying an artists. And no, I dont pay an artist to tweak the design. Thats what “having no money” kinda implies.
Then again, like how I explain it before, Im not your target audience. Im not doing AI art because I want to but because its my only option. I cant pay you, even though I WOULD LOVE TO. And I can’t draw nor learn to draw when I still need to learn to get better at MY ART that just as difficult as yours. Not only that, but you consider One’s art shit and I look at it and think its a hundred times better than mine. You spent years perfecting your craft so its absolutely retarded to expect people to just “learn it” as if it was something you could just do amazing after a couple months.
Look, I use to have a lot of sympathy for artists, but the more I talk to people like you Im really starting to give less of a shit. AI will replace EVERYONE sooner or later in every single job. Even writing will fall eventually. My point is that if you dont want to be left behind, you better learn how to optimize what you do with AI to get yourself to the next level. You can cry all you want or adapt. AI will take down the trash artists that are easily replaceable, so you better try not to be that or you are done. Keep bitching in forums and keep giving this stupid demands of people just because you are afraid you’ll be replaced.
You WILL be replaced in less than 10 years UNLESS you figure out how to exploit AI. The best artist will use this tool and then take their work to never before seen heights, just like Excel did to accountants. The trash that was only good at keeping books in check got destroyed, while the people that use the time save to develop new skills thrive. Im not saying this is a good thing. AI fucking sucks. Worst invention in the history of mankind, but this reality now. Theres no going back
In my 36+ years creating artwork, I have never heard anybody say that they do not enjoy/liked the process to create an image. I’ve heard people say they don’t like working in one medium or another, but hating the process? That’s such a bizarre take for me.
**Me rephrasing my search terms on google scholar 800 times until I find an article about what I'm looking for**
I'm an artist, apparently
Shad's brother literally has a TH-cam channel where he does real art, you can't make this up.
Jazza he's actually waaaaay less reactionary than his brother & actually good at art!
@@LaSerpentDEden I already knew that, but it's definitely worth mentioning.
Shad also makes real art.
@@AlexReynardis the real art in the room with us right now
Yes but he has the same opinion that shad has they made a video about it and i agree with them mostly.
He keeps calling it "AI-assisted human art" when in reality it's "human-assisted AI art"
ai is insulted, it could've done it without him
Nah, you still need the trained human eye to count the fingers.
I believe Shad when he says he has an eye for proportion and anatomy.
It's an eye with an astigmatism, but it's still an eye.
If you want a clear example of the art style Shad imitated when younger, look up Winx Club. The proportions and the face shapes start to make sense when you realize it was a result of an exaggerated punk manga/anime style.
That doesn't mean he's replicated it super well, but you can see the beginnings of someone building their own style.
I think he just got upset it isn't "realistic".
His writing isn't much better. It's clear he takes influence from Christopher Paolini and Tolkien, but never honed that inspiration into something truly distinct.
I don't think he ever received the right encouragement. He got to a point in several areas of art where he's serviceable at best, and decided it was good enough. Like someone who learned to play chopsticks on piano and figured that made them a musician under technical definitions.
That, and the fact that he starts all "his" characters by tracing a real artist characters. There’s nobody else realize that the girl with the swords and the bow in her hair is just over a Harley Quinn drawing? Or some other Harley Quinn style character from an anime Still?
He's tracing. He's always tracing. His "sketches" are straight outlining, and in his example of sketch to ai art, he didn't even bother to not sketch the damn clothes of the 3d asset he used.
@@jarrodhroberson Now imagine Shad saying he is an industry professional and his mastery lies in characters and anatomy - to his professional artist brother - at a con - while livestreaming - totally didn't happen.
_YT: Minor evidence to Shadiversity being protective of his status as an artist._
Shad: "And, of course, it has the beautiful face of my wife [from when she was 14 and I was still attracted to her]"
Imagine being his wife 💀
@@happytofu5 I doubt she's happy...
Well, if the characterization of his weirdo, angsty megarapist self-insert in his book is any indication, dealing with Shad on the daily must be the tenth circle of hell.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 agreed! Undoubtedly and Insufferable, immature w4nker! 😖
If Shad's going to channel the Late (Truly) Great Bob Ross for this video, at some point he's going to need to say "We don't make art thefts, we just have happy little acquisitions."
Great comment! It should be at the top.
Bob Ross was savvy businessman, but he was also very prolific artist and as TV-host his presentation truly invited people to paint with him.
6:15 this is basically a hyper deformed dynamic heroic figure style that cropped up in the late 90s/early 00s. It's associated with Y2K and punk/street aesthetics. Shad doesn't do it a lot of justice here unfortunately 😅
Yea but thats 20-30 years ago he was a teen at the time. So sad to see how people make fun off art that a beginner made.
@@Schinken_except he's using beginner artwork to justify how great he is at proportions and how much of an artistic eye he has. He made art as a teen (lets be honest he was likely trying to copy his brother Jazza) hasnt done anything since then and is now using ai to brag about how great an artist he's actually been this whole time despite how bad it still is. He could have spent all those years improving and practicing and actually being humble. But instead he wanst to skip the work it takes to actually be good at art and instead claim how great he is with no effort on his end
Honestly, Shad's work that he shows at the start of the video was good. If he'd kept up the practice to now I wouldn't be surprised if he'd be a match for his brother.
Edit: Traced? Zamn! Might have to revise my estimation of him even lower.
The girl with the two swords is a Winx Club character he TRACED and changed the colors on and added the swords to. That is why the hands are not holding the swords. "His" arts is not even his!
I thought I saw that character from somewhere! I paused the video and stared for like 20 minutes trying to figure out why the fuck that character looks so familiar
Man, it annoys me a little when people say that ai image generators are tool for artist,
it can generate reference, sure, but that's about it.
When I think, as an artist, how I would appreciate ai tools would be something like
analyzer that can break images to basic forms or skeletons (when studying some good images and you try to figure out the underworks or whatever)
or ai critic that tries guess light source in your image, maybe checks your color choices and their balances, maybe checks proportions if wanted (will not edit, but gives guides)
or ai tool that can try to detect if image is ai generated
or, funny enough, generator that can make you stuff like hand references into separate layer in your current work (considering how bad ai generator is for generating hands, right now)
you know, instead of "guiding guiding guiding" AI generator, have a AI that can give guide to artist.
They don't even generate good references. They generate inspirational springboards, kind of like a friend who spitballs random ideas and you go "hey, that's actually a pretty fun idea," and you proceed to do whatever you want, without taking a second look at the generated image.
One of the best uses of AI art I've seen was for a Fallout 4 mod that adds collectible coffee mugs, and since there's like 200 of them and they're tiny, making a picture for each one would be extremely tedious and pointless seeing as most players would just look at them once and never again, so it uses a bunch of AI images for the coffee mugs, just enough to make each mug feel unique, and since this is a free mod and not something advertising itself as a piece of art, it's not attempting to replace anyone, just making the game slightly more enjoyable.
@@Niobesnuppa Agreed, that is good use and there are many similar cases (generating images for ttrpgs that you play amongst your friends comes in mind).
That is when you use AI basicly as "art consumer" for work that is non-commercial.
As someone highly interested in interaction design, I can see multiple ai tools which are definitely not generative ai
and deserves more recognition, I don't understand why we are so focused on generative ai, with ethical issues and not the actually helpful ai tools
By the way, the term 'hard magic' is a legitimate term (that absolutely does not apply to Shad's magic system from what I've heard). It basically refers to a magic system that is very well-defined and rule-based. Basically every magic system Brandon Sanderson comes up with are examples of this, as well as Eragon to give another good example.
He and his wife were likely matched in the LDS Church, by the elders, when she was 14 (the age of his victims in his book), and THAT'S the version of her he likes...
I was raised Mormon in the 80s. The leaders of the church don't match you with someone when you're a teen. You don't have to like the Mormon church, but for the love of God do some basic research.
It’s so creepy, that his idealised version of his wife looks like a barely pubescent teenage girl. And he’s sharing this information without a shred of self-awareness or shame. Incredible.
@@haggisa quite true. but if he had a shred of self-awareness, he likely wouldn't be a problematic right-winger at all... 😓
@@lady_draguliana784 Indeed. He’s like a platonic ideal of a right wing commentator. So thin skinned he should be living in an ICU, completely lacking in self-awareness, perpetually convinced of his own rightness regardless of how many facts prove him wrong, and habitually lying about his detractors, while whining about them in the voice of a 12 year old, who had just been told he won’t get his game boy back for a week.
Crazy how u can see similarities with his brother except his brothers art actually looks like he learned a lot and practiced proportions
Shad can't be bad at proportions! I know because he's told us so many times he's good at them, and therefore it must be true.
5:33 btw, just a word of advice for anyone , dont read shad's book lmao , its literally a serial rapist power fantasy, thats it.
( more in-depth if you'd like the suffering - old bored king thats also the most powerful swordfighter and smartest person on the planet went through whole life ruining other's people's life out of boredom discovers some shitty quest and therefore turns 17 again and goes on an adventurer with his own victims while disguising himself as his own son ) - like , alright , i get it man , art is hard, but fuck man, you cant write that type of shit, specially in last quarter of the book. This guy went from weird AI art guy to overall actually bad/harmful-to-society kind of person
Protagonist (lacking better word) of his "novel" would be great Darklord of Ravenloft though. Not one of those Darklords that actually have real authority in their domains as well.
That is especially funny given his takes on "Mary-Sues". Apparently, Mary-Sues are only bad if they're women or not white.
He literally wrote a western isekai reincarnation novel - or told chatgpt to do so
Eh, I don't agree with that, I think that is just an ignorant outlook on art. Telling people not to consume media because "its bad" is just anti-intellectual. Media literacy isn't built on just consuming high quality works, mediocre projects can also tell you a lot about art itself and better help you understand your own worldview.
Personally, I like reading/watching things I don't like once in a while as it helps me understand why I don't like certain things in the first place. Not even hate-watching, just try to be perceptive of why we reject some things.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 while i agree and i feel like thats a valid point in general , i do believe that in more "shocking" ( although most people that use the internet today are all desensitized ) contexts - like that of rape and such - that doesnt really apply much. a good example of that ( although much more extreme ) is that i dont need to see someone get unalived to understand that it is both not very good and also not for me. In my original comment , i said "word of advice" in the same way you'd tell someone to not go click that specific video with a cutesy thumbnail cuz thats not whats the video about - again , i'm not yo dad or anything, but i'd rather say what i've said and prevent at least one person from losing their time on that than just say nothing because consuming bad media is sometimes good.
Hey wait a minute, I can tell that the AI art at the end was trained off of DiDi Esmerelda's art, such blatant theft.
It's not art. It may be a pretty picture, but it's not art. It's also theft.
Define art
I watched this man draw proportions and became immediaty less hard on myself because my proportions actually look good.
I genuinely wonder if shit like this puts a strain on Shad‘s marriage…
It can‘t be good for their relationship that he constantly just grabs pics of her face and plop it onto images of these unrealistic comic book women‘s bodies… instead of her‘s.
„Look honey, I made an idealized picture of you. And with idealized I mean I only kept the vague idea of your face and replaced everything else…“
I‘m sure that must feel great.
I thought the same. And then showing it to the whole internet 😢
AI art is the equivelent of a wannabe chef taking 100 cakes from other chefs, blending them into a slurry, then rebaking into a new cake.
And adding a few fingers for good measure.
That sounds incredible and delicious. What are you on about?
@@AlexReynardthe thing is, throwing together multiple different types of cakes with different flavours together isn't gonna come together to form a good cake. It's just a confusing mix of textures and flavours and I also think blending a cake with its icing and decor together will not end up giving you a solid base for another cake.
Putting the moral dilemma of AI art aside. The difference between Shad moving onto digital mediums and ai art is that with the digital mediums, he still had to ink and paint the sketches, digital art programs didn’t ink it and paint it for him and certainly didn’t fuck up his ink strokes or change his colors randomly
Imagine you're ordering from Domino's and they give you a pizza. It's a bit burnt so you call back and ask for a remake and they give you another pizza. This one doesn't have the garlic oil on the crust so you call back and ask for a remake and they give you another pizza. And you keep nitpicking things wrong with the pizza and the Domino's (definitely don't just start ignoring your phone number and) keeps giving you more pizzas. Then when you finally get the pizza you wanted you say "You see, without my input this pizza would have never been made! I'm a chef!"
That's what's going on here.
IDK WTF his wife ACTUALLY looks like, as none of the images he's made/shown are consistent...
Couple of things.
One: AI art makes me feel unimaginable sadness. Looking at one of those pieces is seeing an amalgam of clashing styles be corralled like scared zoo animals into an environment that they do not belong. AI art is technique absent of style, it is communication without meaning, it is dead space... Words written by AI scare me, because it's not terribly hard to get a robot to produce walls of informative text, or short responses that sound human. In my opinion, half of all verbal communication is pure information and the other 50% is style. An infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of typewriters will produce Shakespeare and all that. However, visual arts are arguably ENTIRELY about style, because even the most technically amateur works can still inspire greatness (For reference: artists like Hannah Hoch, Aleksandr Rodchenko, and Marc Chagall, or animation like Crayon Shin-Chan, Home Movies, and Squidbillies). But give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of paintbrushes, and they will never produce a Caravaggio, for they will never be able to communicate what the man himself intended to communicate. No amount of technological progress will ever lead to AI art becoming real art, because it fundamentally lacks the conscious element that real art requires.
Two: No real artist would ever speak about their work like he does. I'm a writer, 3D artist, and physical model maker. My personal style lends itself well to working with physical spaces and scale, rather than abstraction, so I always had a love of physical crafts and sculpting, whose fundamental lessons transitioned to the computer. I have an interest in all art forms, but I know where my limits are, where my strengths are, and I seek to learn and get better every day. My work has been torn apart by friends, by mentors, by colleagues, and by randoms on the internet, and I am equally grateful for each and every piece of criticism as well as every compliment. I am fiercely hard on myself to the point that I end up hating everything I ever work on as I have poured every ounce of love and attention into it until I have nothing else to give. Shad strikes me as a man who never once took a good faith criticism to heart, never once questioned his abilities, and never ONCE set out to improve his style. Tracing is one thing, it is a tool to build muscle memory and learn your implements, but idolizing your traced crap and returning to it, not to show off how much you have improved by redoing it, but to add more bits to it, is NOT evolving... Every time I get a new texture brush, or a new tool for physical sculpting, or a new model kit to assemble, I always copy somebody else's work as closely as I can to get a handle on what I am working with and build confidence to incorporate lessons learned into my own style. I would never be so presumptuous as to call myself a 'real artist', but I know that my approach to art is one echoed by many artists I respect, ones who I do consider real artists. An artist arrogant about their own work is an artist who has never had to question themself and their motivations. The ability to doubt yourself and push through it, rather than digging in your heels to justify mediocrity is what separates real artists from those pretending to be something they are not...
This is a Manga style. I am not a big fan of this style but it is a legit style of art that he is adequate at.
"Dunning-Kruger effect isn't real."
"Then how do you explain this?"
Seriously, every time I see that video again, I discover something new he brags about being an expert in when he clearly isn't.
"None of you can see what I see"... Oh, that we agree on 🤣
Many people don't have the artistic eye to see that she has two thumbs on one hand.
His voiceover alone sounds like it is generated by ai
If I remember correctly, it was. If not all of the video, at least some of the lines are done by an AI using a sample of his voice and he did it to prove a point. I'm pretty sure it was this video he did it with.
If he really wanted to claim that AI art is real art that takes skill, the least he could do is manually edit the picture without having to constantly cycle it through the AI progam. Instead the video just emphasizes how AI "artists" are too afraid to actually show off any pretense at skill without having the computer fix it for them.
The whole thing is like watching someone who isn't capable of writing legibly without spell check correcting all their errors, but who doesn't realize that spell check can't hide all the grammar mistakes that reveal how the whole thing is just gibberish at its core.
Crazy how he thinks that just because he needs to rely on AI for art (and admitted to hating the artistic process), he tells us we also NEED to adapt and use it
To be honest I think the fact he’s a horrible homophobe and transphobe is more of an issue.
I wonder if Shad really wants to convince his audience (and himself) that he has a keen artistic eye...
I don't know why Shad is doing this crap. One thing he knows how to do is carpentry, he built a Dr Who TARDIS for his Wife. Instead of making a channel where he builds cool stuff, he is wasting his time stealing other people's assets and writing trash. Also his wife has larger shoulders than his version of super girl, I checked.
Am I the only one who can’t unhear Shad going, “But my wife!” everytime he mentions her?
I came for the thumbnail, I stayed for the humor. 😆
He could literally just take pics of his wife in costumes and then using stock assets, photoshop her till he gets what he wants, instead he is having the AI do the leg work for him and then he just edits his wife's face onto it and calls it a day.
He could also throw those pictures into the AI software and at least it would be an ethical use of AI, even if it's lazier and less skillful
@@ariwright206 Yeah, potentially using it to create some variations of his own work without having to make whole new images. I think using AI to rough out draft ideas or to make a few versions of a work so you cut down tinkering hours is fine
I get what you mean, but why does it sounds like his wife is a dressup sex doll without a soul
his wife is just a trophy wife if you find out his religion 😂. Wife prolly doesn't hang out with him many days a week.
I don't think he is necessarily de-aging shit and being creepy, I think the problem is his skill level is on par with a teen that has just discovered how to draw books and has reached a point where they can recreate the step by steps in those books and copy characters from their fav cartoons/comics but lacks the technical know how/drive to push beyond that. He removes a lot of detail from the ai images he is given until the bodies resemble what his drawing skill level is but he clearly wants to do realism cos it seems he views realism as the greatest artistic achievement so he slaps a badly photoshopped realistic face onto these cartoonishly proportioned realistic bodies and it gives off weird uncanny child-like/youthful vibes because he he doesn't know how to make the heads match the bodies, I don't even think he is aware that he is manipulating the AI images to match his poor art skills because he has tricked himself by having it in a photo realistic style.
Shad, showing a screenshot of his skyrim character: "Who is this 'Bethesda' and why do you keep saying they made _MY_ OC Art!? 😡"
I like it for making reference and conceptualizing things quickly. That is about it. If I ever used it for any project I do (still just reference art), I wouldn't at all call it "My art". At best, "my vision" or something like that. If I can afford and want refined art, I will always get an artist.
The way he keeps repeating how he's apparantly skilled and how he's an artist makes it feel like satire, but he's completely sincere.
If he has so much control over his AI "art", why do all of the women in his art look like children?
If you like repeatedly trying to direct a bad artist (the AI) to correct the errors it keeps generating, over and over and over, then I guess this might be for you.
I wonder if by doing this, you’re basically working for free to improve the quality of what the AI spits out, since he’s feeding it back in again…
@@cloudycolacorp Probably. Then again, if one makes poor decisions in trying to "improve" the picture (like with, say, anatomy and lighting that doesn't make sense in the context of what the ostensible goal of the piece is), the machine may start to pick up bad "habits". It may all turn into bland(er) gruel...
To be clear, his book is self published. He had full creative control. Meme away.
I don’t like when people make fun of amateur art especially now more than ever when young people will become even more discouraged. Obviously his old art wasn’t great but I could at least respect it as him trying his best and you can actually see a coherent style that was distinctly him. If he would have had some formal training and openness to learn the basics from other people he absolutely could have improved a lot. Instead he gave in to his insecurities and gave up on making art. But he still wants to call himself an artists for being able to type in some words and do some extremely basic photoshop edits on top of the computer’s painting based on stolen art.
Didn't think I'd ever disrespect an artist more than Dobson but here we are. At least Dobson made his own shit
“We where able to turn this image…into this: 😃🧥”
The self insert MC of his book has a thing for SA, especially with 14 year olds
I wonder what these Ai bros will say when “prompting” eventually gets phased out of these programs.
Nearly every basic item in our homes were once products of skilled craftsmen. Paintings are just a more advanced form of the replacement. Skilled artisans still exist, be it for furniture or pottery but they now charge premium prices.
"shady" is literally in his name so i didn't really expect much..
Am I the only one that would be incredibly skeeved out if my SO did that many projects based off my appearance, and then even more so if he put them online? In fact, I'm kinda creeped out on his wife's behalf.
No I thought exactly the same. Its super creepy, his poor wife.
The 'muh Wuyfe" killed me every time
tbh handdrawing custom photocard backings while listening to this video was a trip,,,, if shad had seen my CSP hud he would lose his marbles lmaooooooo
Fuck, I didn't realize Dunning Kruger became a sentient person.
Anytime a filthy proompter referring to art asset theft as a "skill" is pathetically hilarious.
I was watching this at work and my boss walked in right at the "Hard Magic" part.
58:33 "This literally feels like me making changes on a canvas with a brush." Um, isn't that the exact thing he said he was not interested in doing, and was trying to get away from, by using Ai? He talked about how he was not so interested in the time consuming mechanical effort of drawing or painting that he found to be tedious. And yet he says this feels like it. What is the point? I guess it "feels like it" in the way that pushing a button on a game controller "feels like" swinging a sword and killing a dragon. Not nearly the same, bro. I mean, if he enjoys doing this stuff, OK. But It's not interesting to me. (And yeah, I have concerns about the ethics of aggregating and mechanizing the effort, learning, and practice of millions of artists... and of using who knows what photos from all over the internet to train these things.)
Bro legit thought he cooked with this lmao 💀
Here's what I don't get...
Shad has money. Of course he does, right? He's written a book, runs a full channel, and collects swords and stuff for a living.
Why not just pay for a basic lighting setup, get a green screen, and just do photo cosplay? Like he could get a costume, go in front of his castle, get a friend to take pics of him and his wife doing fantasy stuff, right? Then he could share it around and find an audience that will pay a Patreon to help support him doing something genuine and wholesome.
I mean, ALL of these are just photos of him with his wife anyways, you know? So why not JUST dress up with his wife and do something fun that lets him spend time with her? He's already got the swords, so there's a lot of fun props right there, you know? And you could get multiple images out of each setup instead of taking hours doing all this BS just to see her in a costume anyways?
5:34 - Judging this book by it's cover might be the kindest way to judge it.^^
honestly i think one very telling thing for that ai "art" isn't art is that it can't be put into other mediums of art, such as an artistic eye being taken into photography, and or knowing what colors would look best together in decorating
If one actually goes through the process of art you will naturally understand these things, especially also things such as shading, lighting, warm vs cool tones and many more
With ai "art" however, there is no process of figuring out those processes, all you are doing is letting the ai use your prompt to find specific images that are then converted to patterns and data to then be added to an image
You aren't the one actively choosing the color pallet for it to create a specific mood you want, or making the warm tones in such a way a viewer focuses on a specific point
And hell, ai really cannot understand at all how shadows or lighting works since what it works on is noticing patterns, not the 3d environment the character or object is supposed to be in
I lost it when I saw the AI generated Chadiversity 😭😭😭😭
To be fair, his original art had potential. If he spent his time refining his skill and style he could have had a rather neat, heavily stylised approach to art. (I get that heavy stylisation isn't everyone's jam, but it does take skill and effort.)
I love that he gets to the end and the only change he makes to the proportions is to make her shoulders SMALLER! Only further emphasizing the way too big head.
"I have a distinct eye for proportion"
Literally all the artwork has bad proportions even for this "style" he has. And all the ai art with his wife's face have heads that are too large. Every. Single. One. Like, dude at least be good at the things you are saying youre good at
Shad spent over an hour stating to his audience how he stole art from various artists and then proceeded to say it was his and he put so much time and effort into making it come out as good as it did while it's all crap.
And his brother seems to be a proper skillful artist to boot...
For anyone who wants to correct people about Shad being Australian and not British... Yea, the aussies don't want him, the poms can have him.
I hate that people call an algorithm that predicts the next set of rgb values as per calculation made from a set of images "AI art"
Imo, you could call dwarf fortress story system a piece of AI art. I think any number of worlds generated by the game are still a part of a single piece of art, but it is art nonetheless.
There's no art in predicting numbers. There isn't really even an AI. AI was used to tune the system, sure, but the system itself isn't an AI. I wish "AI artist" at least contributed to the AI, thus making anything with their creative labour.
Mfs are using 3rd party software built on open source tech. Nothing stops them from making stuff that doesn't look like every other AI picture. Go come up with a way to fulter AI pictures from non AI pictures, go increase the precision beyond a usual AI slop style. Make SOMETHING new. At least the people who made predictive algorithms were creatives.
Like, they describe figuring out AI keywords as artistry, but it isn't even a useful skill. It's an imperfection in a system that will be inevitably fixed if "AI art" sticks(bet if you made your own system and let it run for a week instead of 2 seconds, you won't even have to toy with words)
While rigging generally, and make effects look good and fit. That is art. I meanvtuber models looking good and avatars and gci efgect artists. Becase its an art to make 8t look good.
The stolen art and not you using creativity is the problem.
Also how, apearently DMs in campains sometimes use it, to play around, is fine. But its inherent art theft, if you try to monitize it.
Plus damn, artists need comisdions, you xan always comission. And human art is creative.
And by actually drawing and using your art to get together. There is ones webtoon thats making his not best art , art for example
Teenage shads image looks way better due not looking incredibly uncanny. Imao.
Shads traditional art looks like mine when I was twelve and was a huge fan of WildCATS...
bro i just realized he admitted to using AI to make a REPRESENTATION of his wife’s face. he didn’t take any pictures of her. that’s how he “sees her”. it took him “100s of hours” of shoving together prompts to generate his “face models”. we need a wife reveal and i s2g if she looks nothing like the face model, i would not be surprised because his level of delusion starts with his eyes.
What he is describing as experience and practice and skill is just rebranding "guessing" as intention
Well said 👏
If you like your art homogenised.
0:30 right of the bat... that was a KILLER impersonation of Shad!
How to be an Artist using AI:
comfyUI; Krita with LCM
Prompts matter less than pixels.
Mark making is more important than word-smithing.
I think the most offensive thing about this video is that she refers to Shadiversity as British - don't lump him in with us, he's an Aussie
To be fair, it's really unfair to Aussies to lump him in with them, even if it's accurate.
28:27 Is it me or dose the one of the left look kind of insane, like she's got the crazy eyes?
If you start with something shonky, there is no way to make it better. The proportions of the AI generated image were all over the place, so every change he did made it even worse. The bones of the piece have to be correct before you even begin on the shading and detail. All he did was generate a substandard piece of AI art and give it a new skin. Congrats buddy, you're awful at this.
Yeah, the benefit of an unrealistic style, is that you might overlook stuff,due it being very styalized, why trying to make that more real life?!
I stopped following shad a little while ago because his HEMA (historical european martial arts) videos were pretty weak and comments on story telling were always unconvincing.
I've made some sketches of original ideas I've had.
It's okay but I need more practice and detailed creativity to make my sketches.
I have used A.I. to make art and it is faster and better than what I would make by hand with some specific creative details incuded.
I generated a picture of Lucifer as a leader and a benevolent figure of light since I'm a Satanist.
I actually appreciated that.
I think the difference between shad and I is that I don't present myself as an "artist".
I just want the ultimate result to be worthy of people's attention.
That's why I feel more equipped as a writer to write art through stories and poetry.
Imma put this in the background while i make some actual art.
If you were to remove Shad's contributions then there wouldn't be much of a difference but, if you removed the AI's contribution then you would have a couple bits of colour with his wife's head awkwardly photoshopped on. Shad, a terrible drawing of your wife is more significant, valuable, and heartfelt than this.
Hard magic just means magic that follows specific rules, compared to "soft magic" which is just whatever with barely any rules to it.
Oh yeah Civitai is like... 80% porn.
Let's ignore the legs and arms looking weird, but the head size to body size is horrible.
Eye for proportion as the shoulders and head are completely fucked from start to end
I’ve seen some people photoshop themselves sometimes to look like a fictional character. So it’s not much of a surprise. But his ‘knowledge’ in Anatomy doesn’t seem to shine like what he preaches to be in his Supergirl image. Because already, the proportions on the final image look so uncanny to me. His wife’s head appears to be too big for her body, even if it’s meant to have some slight foreshortening to it.
sussy as all hell