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One thing I really like about this channel, is that the size of the knife on my laptop screen is about exactly the same size as the knife actually is. When I hold the same knife up to the screen, its the same. I think thats awesome, and great for comparisons.
Nitro-V is almost identical to 14C28N in composition and doesn't seem to have any performance advantages over it, but may have better marketing value. Both steels are sensitive to heat treatment, and budget knives running 14C28N soft may have tarnished its reputation a bit. To get the most out of these steels for EDC tasks takes high hardness and a very acute edge angle; Nitro-V or 14C28N sharpened to 12 degrees per side will keep up with S35VN at 20 on most tests of edge retention.
The Stinger is probably my pick for knife under $100 for 2020. Great simplistic design with a very slicey blade made of great steel and is comfortable in hand. Great video once again MC!
Had one for about three weeks now. Carrying it constantly. Size, ergos, design, build quality are all excellent. Slices like crazy. If this was on PB washers, and it had the QC Waypoint steels, I would say it was the perfect knife. For me, at least.
AEB-L is a FANTASTIC steel for kitchen knives. I have one and love it. It's super tough as long as they get the heat treat right, and the Rockwell hardness is at least 61. It's not very stainless though. But I love mine. I didn't even spend all that much money on it. Maybe $70 or so for a 7" Gyutou. The best part about it being super tough is that the makers can use thinner blade stock, which leads to laser beam cutting edges. But that makes sense, because AEB-L was developed to use in razor blades.
This is the next knife I'm buying for sure. Been kind of holding off to see if Ferrum Forge's site will get anymore CF versions in stock. Not sure if I can wait much longer though :P Lot of positivity surrounding this beauty. Great review brotha!
Don't recall where I picked it up but I thought stainless started at (around?) 13%. I thought I got my info crossed when you said 14% in another vid. I checked knife steel nerds while writing this and in a post/article about D2 it says stainless is fuzzy and given around 11-12% but D2 has that 11-12 range and is considered semi stainless. Then it goes into how temps affects high carbon and chromium %s affecting the end result but thats all out of my realm lol
You say the edge retention isn't the great aspect of NitroV, yet according to Cedrid & Ada's retention testing, it did better than S30V, S35VN, 154CM/CPM154, as well as D2. Of course it isn't going to be as good as the high end super steels, but it costs less than half the price of typical knives with those steels.
I think he does a great job, and his content is a huge boon to the knife community. However, that wasn't anywhere near the same result that Larrin Thomas (professional metallurgist) got. I think that particular cut test on Cedric and Ada's channel might have been an anomaly. Scroll down to "edge retention" and "summary and conclusion". knifesteelnerds.com/2019/09/23/nitro-v-its-properties-and-how-to-heat-treat-it/ Edit* - this all comes down to proper heat treat. This is just one explanation as to why there's such a significant difference between the two results. This isn't my area of expertise, so all I can do is provide the information I've read.
For a blade that small a finger choil is totally unnecessary. It cuts down on the amount of useable cutting real estate. You can always choke up on any blade by grabbing it between your thumb and forefinger. Nice overview
Nitro-V wouldn’t flex like a machete blade needs to, it would just shatter. It’s too hard and brittle. No one uses it in lengthier blades like that (that I have ever come across.)
Well if 154CM and S35VN are heat treated correctly, they'll outlast Nitro V by a long shot. Seems like you're comparing poorly heat treated examples of these steels with properly heat treated Nitro V
How about you two dust off your reading glasses and have a look at this article - knifesteelnerds.com/2019/09/23/nitro-v-its-properties-and-how-to-heat-treat-it/ It's especially satisfying to be right when more than one person says you're wrong. You can tell me all day that YOUR blade is special, and that performs better than this. If that's the case, make a video and prove it. Otherwise those are empty words. On paper AND with testing from knife steel nerds, this stuff performs exactly how I originally described it.
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One thing I really like about this channel, is that the size of the knife on my laptop screen is about exactly the same size as the knife actually is. When I hold the same knife up to the screen, its the same. I think thats awesome, and great for comparisons.
I didn't know that. Glad it's helpful!
Nitro-V is almost identical to 14C28N in composition and doesn't seem to have any performance advantages over it, but may have better marketing value. Both steels are sensitive to heat treatment, and budget knives running 14C28N soft may have tarnished its reputation a bit. To get the most out of these steels for EDC tasks takes high hardness and a very acute edge angle; Nitro-V or 14C28N sharpened to 12 degrees per side will keep up with S35VN at 20 on most tests of edge retention.
Zak Wilson ur a frickin genius ( its seth)
The Stinger is probably my pick for knife under $100 for 2020. Great simplistic design with a very slicey blade made of great steel and is comfortable in hand. Great video once again MC!
Had one for about three weeks now. Carrying it constantly. Size, ergos, design, build quality are all excellent. Slices like crazy. If this was on PB washers, and it had the QC Waypoint steels, I would say it was the perfect knife. For me, at least.
Just picked this up via impulse buy.
Best knife I’ve purchased in this price range ever.
In my opinion, Ferrum Forge makes the most attractive Knives!
I literally just got this in the mail today, I’m sitting here flipping it as I watch this video!!! Awesome content!!!
AEB-L is a FANTASTIC steel for kitchen knives. I have one and love it. It's super tough as long as they get the heat treat right, and the Rockwell hardness is at least 61. It's not very stainless though. But I love mine. I didn't even spend all that much money on it. Maybe $70 or so for a 7" Gyutou. The best part about it being super tough is that the makers can use thinner blade stock, which leads to laser beam cutting edges. But that makes sense, because AEB-L was developed to use in razor blades.
Price does not seem too bad, I'd like for them to eliminate the small fuller altogether to save on machining costs and add a bit more strength.
Robert M ....I’d prefer it as an actual hole and a bit wider if they’re going to bother. Let you finger flick it easier
This is the next knife I'm buying for sure. Been kind of holding off to see if Ferrum Forge's site will get anymore CF versions in stock. Not sure if I can wait much longer though :P Lot of positivity surrounding this beauty. Great review brotha!
They are back in stock as of today. Regular CF and Marble CF. $110
I picked one up the day they released at BHQ. I wish it were a thin titanium frame lock like a zt 450. This design would be worth the extra cost IMO
Did you ever get one in titanium?
If I can only get one knife which do you recommend this stinger or the elementum in s35vn? Thank you
Yeah, even their collaborations have a distinguishable design language. Recently picked up a WE Malice and can totally tell is a Ferrum Forge design.
Yep! 👍👌
I just ordered the Ferrum Forge Prolix. Looking forward to trying Nitro V.
I have the XL Saber version in 20cv but with a custom two tone look that is 1 of 1. Got it for cheaper than the original factory Stinger XL.
Don't recall where I picked it up but I thought stainless started at (around?) 13%. I thought I got my info crossed when you said 14% in another vid.
I checked knife steel nerds while writing this and in a post/article about D2 it says stainless is fuzzy and given around 11-12% but D2 has that 11-12 range and is considered semi stainless. Then it goes into how temps affects high carbon and chromium %s affecting the end result but thats all out of my realm lol
Now on sale at Chicago Knife Works for 75.59 + free shipping!
It's one of THE knives of 2020 for me this one,i realy like it.
Hey MC. Does it come in any other verants? Or Blade steels?
It's in my cart...waiting for me to pull the trigger, along with the Odium and one other non-FF knife.
You say the edge retention isn't the great aspect of NitroV, yet according to Cedrid & Ada's retention testing, it did better than S30V, S35VN, 154CM/CPM154, as well as D2. Of course it isn't going to be as good as the high end super steels, but it costs less than half the price of typical knives with those steels.
I just picked one up and it’s hard hate this knife. Very user-friendly
Cedric did his rope cutting test 154cm 125 Cuts before it wouldn't slice paper Nitro V 250 cuts in a high-dollar fixed blade knife 350 cuts
I replied to your other comment 👍
Going by Cedric's rope cutting test Nitro V cut twice as many times as 154cm
I think he does a great job, and his content is a huge boon to the knife community. However, that wasn't anywhere near the same result that Larrin Thomas (professional metallurgist) got. I think that particular cut test on Cedric and Ada's channel might have been an anomaly. Scroll down to "edge retention" and "summary and conclusion". knifesteelnerds.com/2019/09/23/nitro-v-its-properties-and-how-to-heat-treat-it/
Edit* - this all comes down to proper heat treat. This is just one explanation as to why there's such a significant difference between the two results. This isn't my area of expertise, so all I can do is provide the information I've read.
Just picked one up from their website, only $75 for Halloween
civivi does pretty good with shadow boxing
Thought it was a sticker at first. 🤣
For a blade that small a finger choil is totally unnecessary. It cuts down on the amount of useable cutting real estate. You can always choke up on any blade by grabbing it between your thumb and forefinger.
Nice overview
I feel like the shape is a bit odd for it but as is I prefer it. If the knife were 8" total then I'd be fine without it
Like the design... But why do they use a machete steel?
Find me one machete using Nitro V steel. I know of none...
Nitro-V wouldn’t flex like a machete blade needs to, it would just shatter. It’s too hard and brittle. No one uses it in lengthier blades like that (that I have ever come across.)
@@justinrowan4069 Fox knives.
@@Nightwolf866... saw nothing on their website in Nitro-V for machetes. Link?
@R A... thank you but I am not sure one random custom maker posting three years ago signifies a trend.
Mine is too stiff to open from the fuller. Thats why I bought it:( fuck. The pivot is NOT too tight either.
It looks just like my Civivi Odium
im getting a feeling that you like manual flippers
Ya im not a big fan of assisted knives.
@@metal_complex fall shut or glassy action on manual flippers
I would not be sticking that tip in and prying around...that’s what she said
It's a great knife.
This could easily have a Civivi logo on it and be cheaper.
Civivi uses a Ferrum Forge Design in their Odium. Also, AFAIK, We Knives/Civivi actually produces the Stinger.
nitro v lasts wayyy longer than 154cm if heat treated well. beats most s35vn on my tested 61 hrs perpetua
Well if 154CM and S35VN are heat treated correctly, they'll outlast Nitro V by a long shot. Seems like you're comparing poorly heat treated examples of these steels with properly heat treated Nitro V
@@metal_complex not in my experience
@@metal_complex Nah. Not your department.
How about you two dust off your reading glasses and have a look at this article - knifesteelnerds.com/2019/09/23/nitro-v-its-properties-and-how-to-heat-treat-it/
It's especially satisfying to be right when more than one person says you're wrong. You can tell me all day that YOUR blade is special, and that performs better than this. If that's the case, make a video and prove it. Otherwise those are empty words. On paper AND with testing from knife steel nerds, this stuff performs exactly how I originally described it.
@@metal_complex Still..better ask Cedric..i can copy-paste too.