Rediscover Bethel - Episode 4: The Church, Ministry, and the New Apostolic Reformation
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Watch as Bethel Senior Associate Leader Kris Vallotton and Bethel Associate Pastor and Dean of BSSM Dann Farrelly discuss the five-fold ministry, denominationalism, mentorship, the New Apostolic Reformation, and much more.
Here are the topics in this video that Kris Vallotton and Dann Farrelly discuss in-depth:
- The Five-Fold Ministry in Action 0:00
- Church Denominations and Denominationalism 18:48
- Mentorship and Fathering One Another 32:13
- Does Bethel belong to the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)? 42:23
- Seven Mountains Mandate and Dominionism Explained 50:21
ABOUT REDISCOVER BETHEL
Rediscover Bethel is a video series that addresses common questions and misconceptions about Bethel Church in Redding, California. This series specifically covers Bethel's theological beliefs, teachings, and practices-featuring Senior Leader Bill Johnson, Senior Associate Leader Kris Vallotton, and Associate Pastor and Dean of BSSM Dann Farrelly. This series includes videos on Bible translations, Jesus' Deity, Physical Manifestations of the Holy Spirit, Theology of Healing, The Gospel of Repentance, Prophecy, and much more.
ABOUT BETHEL CHURCH
Bethel Church in Redding, California is a congregation rooted in the love of God and dedicated to worldwide transformation through revival. Our mission is revival - the personal, regional, and global expansion of God's Kingdom through His manifest presence. It's our goal for God's love to be manifest in signs, wonders, and miracles. The atmosphere at Bethel is charged with faith and exuberant joy, which manifests in all we do. We believe we're on the edge of the greatest revival of all time. It's our vision to see history become His-story as the kingdom of this world becomes the kingdom of our God. We welcome you to join us in this adventure!
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Thanks for watching episode 4!
For more see episode 5: th-cam.com/video/CuKoxpb43RU/w-d-xo.html
And take a look at the full series here: th-cam.com/play/PLUaRlPOu98p0clsG0U0jGoU91tl5q3-sK.html
Agreement in everything doesn't equal unity. Agreement in purpose is unity. Disagreement doesn't have to turn into an argument. Pride and lack of love fuels arguments. My two cents. All I know is Jesus is King!
Well done!! These episodes have been long overdue. Great to hear truthful, honest, and humble answers to those who criticize without a clue or knowledge of Bethel. Dan, I'm sure this was your brain child and well done for how you chaired it! So glad Bill and Kris cleared up so much. Thanks guys.
See how it's about bethel for you and the criticism they get. And they don't take any responsibilityfor any of it. That's the mode they live on. Like don't question us because u can't "quench the spirit" or whatever popular churchy buzz phrase. They use. What about sound teaching and explanation.
Youre going to assume people that criticize have not a clue or knowledge of Bethel's practices and teachings ? 😅😅
@@andrezzaf95 well judging by the things the most outspoken voices speak "YES", it's the same narrative from Justin Peters or John Mc where they speak with confidence and certainty "You know what they're doing? They are intentionally blah blah blah...". Which blows my mind that they know the motives of Bill's, or Bethel's heart. They haven't, to my knowledge, sat and talked with them, and even when people like Michael Brown reaches out to talk, they do not want to talk. So, how on earth do these critics, and please see the humorous irony here, men who don't believe in the Gifts of the Spirit for today move SO accurately in the "word of knowledge" that they know what Bill is thinking MORE than Bill is aware? That, my friend, is crazy-town!
If you watch the Strange Fire Conference Q&A where this panel rips apart anything charismatic, Mcarthur himself says "The charismatics are not part of the Body of Christ!", what a bold, and arrogant, statement. He even goes on to say, his own words condemning him, he states "What have they done for the social world. Where are the hospitals that they build? Where are the schools? the orphanages? They do nothing". It blows my mind that a man can dare to stand up and willfully deceive those who trust him by making unfounded, and untrue, statements like that.
Now, I have been connected with Bethel since 2008. They are the first to admit that they are not perfect. Their humility speaks for itself. However, just because you disagree with what they teach, or how they teach it, does not make it sinful or wrong or errant. Stay in your lane, and let them roll in theirs. Also, get the facts right AND have a ton of grace.
I can't believe my home town church I used to attend has stirred up so much controversy that my own Pastor in a small town a good distance away is now criticizing them! I loved the Johnson family and Kris Vallotton and being able to listen to them teach. They inspired me in such a profound way that led to incredible breakthrough and miracles in my life and the lives of others around me.
This is fantastic. Thank you Bethel for putting this out. Beyond their solid grasp of history and the Scripture, what convinces me that they are truly solid, is their evident humility and love for each other and for the body of Christ.
Whoever reading this, God is going to big hug you so tight that all your broken pieces will fit back together.
Just trust in him. Amen
May it be so, Lord!
“Until you find your ppl you can’t really find ur purpose. Your purpose is in your ppl!”❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Beautiful teaching and conversations...!!! Thank you so much! I would love other themes too, for example : Women in (church) leadership,
The baptism of fire
It does help a lot! I grew up in a small town denominational church and I always felt like I was missing the more of the Bible. I have been pursuing Jesus and experiencing Him in new ways and these podcasts are helping me put into words what I have been learning. I have also see some of the hateful critique videos on youtube and I am so glad you are addressing some of those criticisms. Thank you so much.
This definitely helps! Thank you as leaders to bring this transparency!
I honour you guys ever since I became aware of your ministry, many moons back. God richly bless you
Thank you for this message and teaching. It is very helpful.
Could Mr Johnson and Mr KV explain The Lord of the Rings Staff of Gandalf “thou shalt not pass Craziness at Bethel ?
Saving face is a cringe undertaking 😒
Hi Chris! Thanks for checking out the Rediscover series. To speak to your question, we do have plans for more videos in the future, and that is one we're planning to address.
@@Bethel_Online Thank you for your reply I look forward to that episode And then maybe you can do an episode on the grieving parents of little olive who were givingFalse hope over the tragic loss of their Beautiful child that they weren’t allowed mourn or bury their little Daughter Instead the church turned it in to some kind of Shocking prayer Fest and Jubilant cheering and Shouting while hoping for some kind of resurrection from the dead how disgusting Maybe you can address that please
@@chrisburton8079 just to reflect back, it doesn’t sound like you are actually looking for clarification. Correct me if I’m wrong, please. But it sounds like you already have a preconceived idea of what happened and have already passed judgement. Am I completely off?
@@shanelorente It’s not for me to pass judgement on anything that’s for God I have my opinion of what I saw and what I saw was undeniable new-age mumbo-jumbo bordering on witchcraft But I wait in anticipation for the wisdom of Mr Bill Johnson To enlighten me Of its real meaning thanks for your reply
Im having a really good time listening to these thank you
Wow - I get this! Love this whole conversation! Thanks!
Great haircut Dan.
Thank you so much for another one
Yo can you guys talk about anointing??? Like what it is, how God uses it today…
42:00 Finding your people ... " the first question though is who am i supposed to be with because until you find your people you can't really find your purpose, your purpose is actually in your people "
Losing my faith. I’ve listened to Doreen Virtues videos regarding NAR, then I open You Tube and this is the first thing to come up! Is that a coincidence? I’ve been praying HARD 😢❤
What do you need prayer for?
@@kitty7644 for my faith to believe that St Paul wasn’t a fake
@@whichypoohs Praying. But let me make clear:
St. Paul wasn't a fake.
The Holy Spirit confirms through the Scriptures who he was.
Paul recounts his own conversion story in Galatians 1:11-2:10. Not to mention Luke's account in the book of Acts 9-28.
And even Peter affirms the Epistles Paul wrote as authoritative. (2 Peter 3:15-16)
Finally, in church tradition, Paul was beheaded in Rome under Emperor Nero. He died a martyr.
All of this and so much more. There can be no doubt.
@@kitty7644 thanks Kitty 🌸☹️
@@kitty7644 oh he was real, however, the evidence suggests he had an ulterior motive.
Kris, great word. thank you!
Could you guys be characterized as “postmillennial”? This is not a criticism nor am I being facetious.
Curious about this well
There are different positions held by different members of the leadership team. I've heard Dann teach a lovely sermon on the various eschatological perspectives throughout the history of the Church, and it was a lovely summary. He prefaced his message by making a statement along the lines of "the Church has a *really* poor track record when it comes to figuring out prophecy before it is fulfilled, so eschatology is a topic that we really ought to approach with a huge amount of humility."
That was a very refreshing statement to hear.
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Wow so after putting emphasis on Ephesians 4:13 to back the claim of continuation of apostles etc, we find this in the next verse, 'Ephesians 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.'
Are you trying to use verse 14 to say that the continuation of apostles in the Church is a wind of doctrine that we shouldn't be deceived by? If so, then I would say that it seems like a pretty unlikely proposition to me, because it would mean Paul was trying to cancel out what he had just said. If I misunderstood what you were trying to imply, then I'm sorry about that.
@@dagman85 thanks for asking, in regards to the claim of a new apostolic reformation in this age of a 'new thing' and certain individuals claiming to be Apostles in equivalence to the first fruits, then yes 14 is clarity that we should be remove oneself from these people, we are all apostles of our saviour, the book is closed and nothing can be added. Bless you and respond if you disagree.
@@danielsvision - I think that the way that they spoke of apostles in this video doesn't match up with what you just suggested in your comment. I heard them say that they believe there have been apostles throughout all of Church history who simply weren't called apostles. I'm not sure what you include in your idea of "firstfruits" in this context, but Paul wasn't one of the twelve but was definitely an apostle. There also wasn't much point in him writing to the Church in Ephesus about Jesus giving apostles as gifts to the Church if Paul was going to be the last one.
@@dagman85 I stand corrected, my strong bias and distaste against bethel and their conceptual idealogue of the scripture and practices undertaken as an organization, led me to to read verse 14 as a paradox to their claims. I spoke before I articulated the plain text properly.
I can relate to Dan. I studied and believed all the stuff in the Bible before I found out the roles, functions and miracles had supposedly ended after the first century.
Only the Apostolic gifts ceased
@@toolegittoquit_001 - do you have a verse for that?
@@dagman85 Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God. God ordains apostles not men. All self proclaimed apostles are false apostles. All sign gifts have ceased.
@@freeagent4503 - what causes you to think that God has stopped appointing apostles?
Also, what causes you to think the "sign gifts" have ceased? And which gifts does that include? Do you have any real scripture to support it? (If you're going to try to use 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, that isn't going to get you very far)
It seems like a bit of a silly debate to me, though, since I've either personally witnessed or heard first-hand testimonies of each of the gifts Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 12. The reason I'm engaging in this conversation is to give you an opportunity to get set free from whatever line of reasoning has caused you to arrive at the wrong conclusion. I just wanted to be up front about that.
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You said: @Free Agent - what causes you to think that God has stopped appointing apostles?"
Joseph Smith was called to be an Apostle. See how that works. Anybody can declare themselves to be an Apostle - means nothing. I recognize Paul I recognize the 12 - why? because the testimony of their Apostleship was inspired by the Spirit of God. Evil spirits even testify against your claim: “Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?”
You said: "Also, what causes you to think the "sign gifts" have ceased? And which gifts does that include? Do you have any real scripture to support it? (If you're going to try to use 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, that isn't going to get you very far)"
Is the Bible that we have today 'perfect' and complete?
9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial passes away.
Did God reveal to Paul the 'Mystery' truth (that which had been hidden in God) all at once?
Do you believe the Canon of Scripture is still open? If people are still being given new truth from God...prophetic words from God...authoritative words from God...then how can it be closed? If private revelations agree with Scripture, they are needless, and if they disagree they are false...so why the need today for the gift of prophesy?
Did God forget to include something when the letters from Paul (thru inspiration of the Spirit) were written?
Doesn't it seem a bit odd that there is so much division in the church regarding sign gifts, miracles, healings, water baptism, and prosperity preaching? Wouldn't it be just like satan to get us to divide over issues that don't even apply to us today...given how anemic most are of God's Word? satan is orthodox in his thinking...he knows how to divide. Division in the Body isn't a work of God.
Either the Bible (that which is complete today...unlike in the early church) is the power of God unto salvation to everyone believing...or it isn't. If signs and wonders, miracles and healings were not enough to convince the majority to believe in Jesus' day...Moses' day...why do we think they are today? 2 Thes 2:9 says satan is a master of signs and false wonders...so why would we be surprised by their existence? Isn't satan described as the god of this evil age?
Luke 16:
30“But he said, ‘No, Father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ 31“But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’”
No one's going to believe apart from the Spirit and gospel today. So what would be the purpose of sign gifts if faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ? ANSWER THE QUESTION!!
1 Corinthians 13:8-10: Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.” In the KJV, the tongues “will cease.” In other words, at some point after Paul wrote 1 Corinthians, the gift of tongues would no longer be in use.
James 5:14,15
Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up.
It doesn't say it MIGHT make the sick person well it say it WILL make the sick person well. You people are a bunch of charlatans who know not the Bible - void of the Spirit. You take Scripture out of it's historical Biblical context and try to force it where it doesn't belong - and fail miserably. I would say repent - but i know that's a work of God "if perhaps" it please Him to do so.
As for healing...God still heals...but not with handkerchiefs...not with shadows...nor with gifts of healing...but Himself (Phil 2:27)
You said: "It seems like a bit of a silly debate to me, though, since I've either personally witnessed or heard first-hand testimonies of each of the gifts Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 12. The reason I'm engaging in this conversation is to give you an opportunity to get set free from whatever line of reasoning has caused you to arrive at the wrong conclusion. I just wanted to be up front about that."
Your ignorance and arrogance is showing
Today, how is "Personally witnessed" the standard for truth? I have heard all kinds of things that doesn't mean they are true. The Word is truth - not the imagination and deceitful scheming of men.
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Well, that’s y’all’s circles you crafted. Apostleship is heavenly, not chosen. We see that error in Todd Bentley
"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are SEVEN MOUNTAINS, on which the woman sitteth." Revelation 17:4-9 "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication. And upon her forehead was a name written, 'Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery for T the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are SEVEN MOUNTAINS, on which the woman sitteth..."
Bethel, is one of the disciples of the beast, whose public face is the Roman Catholic Church. But I do not write this to convince them of who they are. But I write this to warn you, God's children who are exploring Bethel and who, after learning about who they are, will get out. And I have hope that this includes some of the Bethel leaders who have honest hearts and really think they are doing the right thing. Please pray about this, read your scriptures and study about these things. You are loved and we are praying for you.
so close yet so far. We are all apostles with a little a but never in the sense of the 12 Apostles with a big A. These men are claiming to be like the 12 and they are laying another foundation.
Dude, no.
This is a good video. Thank you. The only question I would have is about the application of the 7 mountain prophecy and theology. Kris talking about Jesus teaching that the church is the lamp of world and that it is impossible to light be on darkness be more. The reason we need a light is because the world is dark. Naturally speaking, 7 pm is not as dark as midnight you might not need as bright a lamp at 7pm as you might need at 12 or 1 am. Kris’s analogy and theology of the end of the age does not seem to go well with the biblical teaching. With that said, I agree that is not a reason to separate and I agree with what he said is important to go forward when we may not agree with all our theology.
Seven Mountain mandate is not Biblical
the only 7 mountains in scripture are in Revelation and its not something you want to be involved in. Jesus said "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS EARTH" - so its not scriptural at all.
@@rachelg1372 - how about the seven pillars of wisdom?
Maybe I'm misinterpreting the conversation about the catholic church and the orthodox church (I understand there is a difference). My wife and her family were heavily indoctrinated by the catholic church. Upon having an encounter with Jesus Christ who opened her eyes she became completely aware of all the errors and wrong teachings of the catholic church. Needless to say, she cannot bring herself to even consider the Catholic church or it's members believers in Christ because of all that she experienced and the ever lasting effects it had on her family. In South America and Latin America in general the Catholic church has so much power and influence that every other house (perhaps more) you might walk into you'll find pictures and images of saints, the virgin Mary etc. Cartels and cartel members create and worship their own idols for the doing of evil (murder, rape, torture etc). Specifically they pray to their own saint Jesus Malverde and those that specifically murder to the "Saint of Death". They believe they can go to a priest and confess their sins and they're good with "little god" as they refer to Godin this manner. The catholic church has heaped so much evil on these people it's just unimaginable. All of these ideas came directly from the Catholic church. They don't know God, they believe in anything but Christ as the one and only savior. This is all the doing of the Catholic church and its teaching. I can't tell why you guys are soft on the Catholic church which has heaped so much death and destruction on third world countries.
The Catholic Church is it’s fair share of problematic practices, but the issue in Latin America is one of syncretism of Catholicism with local pagan beliefs and practices.
You are right on one thing, Luther and Calvin, if it were possible, would be turning over in their graves.
Teach on the honey barrel or whatever it is and then explain the book physics of heaven for us. Your new age teachings are duly noted trust me.
Hi, Melissa Dougherty does a great book review about the physics of heaven. I learnt what it truly reveals. This post may get taken away, but anyhoo.... NAR WOF is real within churches. Cultist... yep. I refer back to Melissa or Mr Winger to explain as I'm no theist. 😇✝️🕊
They try to reclaim new age teachings as Christian.
love these guys...but the dude on the right (the MODERATOR) simply talks sooooooooo much!!!!:))
54:40 Kris throws a subtle jab at the “Jesus movement” as an example of wrong biblical thinking. Not uncommon for Kris. He said it publically here on YT, so I call him out publically on YT. The “Jesus movement” or dare I say Calvary Chapel is the movement that taught me and discipled me for many years. A movement I eventually became a pastor in for 17 years before the Lord sent me to Bethel. (yes, Bethel is my church for the past 15 years. I love Bethel) To this day the “Jesus movement” is still going strong, preaching a sound gospel, and raising up tens thousands of beleivers around the globe. And they have a huge positive influence in the hundreds of cities they have churches in around the world. Kris is brilliant and I Love what he has to say, but as a Bethel member I wish he would stop it with the constant anti-Jesus people enuendo’s. It unesecarry.
The Calvary Chapel world has gone through numerous adjustments over the years. 40 years ago they were much more like Chuck Smith's roots in Pentecostalism.
@@JewandGreek Yup, I was there
I try to separate my self from movements/labels/names etc. When we think in the collective "I am a Bethel church goer" we let our emotions and feelings offend us. Same applies to politics, it's hard to correct our own because of tribalism (a natural human trait) and hurting people's feelings. I totally understand where you're coming from also as I go to a church where my pastor has subtly rebuked Bethel church and it's leadership on multiple occasions and it stings tbh because I grew up going to Bethel and Bill inspired me to read my bible and do the very thing people accuse them of not doing. I haven't told my pastor yet about my past, I'll wait patiently on God to do the rebuking for me as I prefer God handle it over my own will.
For what it's worth, I have also heard Kris talk positively about several aspects of the Jesus movement. I don't hear him speak negatively about the movement as a whole, but just this specific mindset that he experienced in association with the movement.
The Bible doesn’t teach dominionism and 7 mountain mandates. When a pastor is saying the greatest thing in life is to find your people, that’s simply not true. The greatest thing in life is to find Christ. The finished work of the cross. When God opens our eyes to the need for a savior because of our sin. Without repentance, there is no forgiveness of sins. Please preach the truth of the word of God. The gospel is the Power of God, onto salvation, not signs and wonders, which God still does every day. I pray for your church. Just like 2 Timothy says: they will turn away from hearing the truth and turn aside to myths. I pray that you turn back to the truth of God’s word
This has to be the biggest act of damage limitation any church has ever entered into Forced upon them by people seeing right through the new-age new apostolic charismatic craziness
Another possibility: they have been massively misrepresented by people who themselves are deceived and believe they are doing the right thing by slandering the church, and so they are taking the time to set the record straight for those who care about the truth behind the accusations.
@@dagman85 It’s a lot easier to deceive people than to convince people that they have been deceived
8:24
Nobody knows everything.
Always setting up the discernment for failure. It's like a defense mechanism u guys use all the time.
No, it’s in the Word
Yahweh is past finding out
@@lukeg9667where?
I see it as humility, not a defense mechanism. There are a whole lot of people in the world who are convinced they have perfect doctrine but yet disagree with each other. No more than one of these disagreeing people can be completely right, and it's possible that none of them are. Many of them probably believe that they are operating in discernment, too. Those numbers call for some humility, in my opinion. I believe that people can operate in authentic discernment in some areas and be powerfully used by God through that gift, but yet they might have a blind spot that they are unaware of, where their discernment is actually tainted by a prejudice of some sort. Humility is a very wise way to walk if you want to discover and eliminate your blind spots.
Kris Vallotton makes me so uncomfortable. Something about him really scares me… Notice how combative he is if he gets corrected.
Repackaging nonsense, does not change the fact that is is still nonsense!
That is a valid statement that doesn't seem to have any bearing whatsoever on the content of these videos, which is definitely not nonsense. Still, I would agree with your statement that repackaging [hypothetical] nonsense doesn't change the fact that it's nonsense. I just don't see any fact like that here.
@@dagman85 the nonsense I referred to on my initial comment is Bethel's Theology. It's mostly heretical babble that makes no sence. I believe they are NOT the true church of Jesus Christ and that Bill and his team are all false teachers! And truly born again Christian should be discerning enough to leave this den of wolves and goats!
@@markwhite5926 - well, you are certainly welcome to your opinions, but that doesn't actually make them correct. Personally, I have been thoroughly blessed and grown substantially in my walk with the Lord Jesus due to Bethel's influence (among others) in my life. In my experience, the fruit has only been good, and the only nonsense I've heard related to them has been from people who are misrepresenting them.
Kris has absolutely zero credibility, on anything theological. He's been proven over and over to be a false prophet. He's one of the best Bible twisters alive today.
Actually not true. Please don’t listen to people like this who attempt to slander and/or censor truth. The people that are being attacked today are the ones who aren’t doing things right. The enemy’s getting desperate because his time is short. True Christians don’t speak like this.
raideragent, I don't know you. I have no idea who you are and no relationship with you. Because I don't know you, you have zero credibility so far in my eyes. Maybe that would change if I got to know you, but for now you're just an anonymous person on the internet and I have no idea what your motivations are or where you're coming from. On the other hand, I have been blessed many times over by Kris's ministry and his books. I think I'll continue to glean from him whenever I can, thank you very much.
The leven is usualy used to describe false teaching were a little affects the whole loaf, Jesus was warning not to allow it in your life, or your church. YOUR SEVEN MOUNTAIN MANDATE JUST IS NOT FOUND IN SCRIPTURE, and you are not a modern day Daniel, or Joseph
Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Matthew 13:33 KJV
I understand it as another parable like the earlier one about the wheat and the tares (Matthew 13:24-30). Leaven everywhere else means false teaching, and the Bible is usually pretty consistent about the meanings of the pictorial language it uses. So the Church will become infiltrated with false teaching. We must know our Bibles well and always be on our guard to make sure we're not persuaded/seduced by false teaching.
You guys really don’t know history but want to talk about it like you do. Wow.
I don’t fully endorse Bethel on all of their approaches but one of the major deficiencies I would arguablely defend is that they do not have academic and history seminary training. They are not an accredited school but that is something that they are not trying to be either. They are not trying to be a seminary; they are a church. That being said church history is one of the most important things to know for developing church leaders today, at least a basic foundation anyways.
Luther did not leave because he didn’t agree. Luther wanted the reformation to come to the Catholic Church. But because he stuck to scripture and not the false traditions and teachings of Roman Catholicism which is not Christianity, I was raised Catholic call he was considered by Roman in rebellion. And do you guys ever mention that Luther along with many others of his tongue were put to death by Roman Catholicism in the popes not the other way around you guys really do not know history and have not truly studied history. You talk in such a vague notions thinking you have knowledge and do not.
You're saying that Luther was executed by the Catholic Church?
Luther wasn't executed, he died at a relatively ripe old age surrounded by his friends, his wife, and his children. He suffered from several ulcers and digestive issues his entire life, and that, along with age, lead to him passing away in his sleep.
What about The persecution of the anabaptists?
Speaking of false teachings... oh hey it's bethel church
I would suggest listening to all of these new podcasts before making anymore judgments. :) They helped me with my concerns.
I totally agree its an absolute load of baloney
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Be open to the Holy Spirit and you will understand.
@@matasaina2011 I understand because of the Holy Spirit and his convictions. I believed bethel was biblical Christianity for 4 years of my Christian walk, but God opened my eyes... I didn’t want to believe Him at first because I loved bethel, but the practices taking place in bethel are unbiblical, plain and simple. Angel feathers falling from the sky? Gold dust or the “glory cloud?” Fire tunnels? Grave soaking? Sorry but no. When held up to the light of scriptures these fail the test. They are nothing more than false signs and wonders.
@@tbut155 I totally agree with you again
Kris is so bad at everything he does. Preaching, prophecy, you name it. Repent, Bethel. "Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’" -- Matthew 7:22-23 (NASB)
Amen
Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
Ephesians 4:29 NASB1995
@@dagman85 “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” 2 Tim 2:3-4 (NIV)
Amen
@@WilliamtheWorst - that's a popular verse, in some circles. It gets wrongly applied a whole lot of the time. This is one of those times.
You should really deeply study history if you’re going to talk about history.
“We’re teaching fathering and mothering, family principles to orphans” 🥹