🇯🇲 COLORISM IN JAMAICAN SOCIETY "From Colonization to Cake Soap" | The Demouchets REACT Jamaica
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- The Demouchets REACT "COLORISM IN JAMAICAN SOCIETY "From Colonization to Cake Soap""
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This is not a channel for diaspora wars. If you are looking for that, go play at the park!
TELL DEM MI FAMBILY!
Colorism exists in the American black community also it's not just a Jamaica thing.
We didn’t say it was just a Jamaican thing, beloved.
Yes but in their history, they might not have gotten jobs in certain places. In America no matter what shade you were - you were black. Therefore you would not be allowed to get that job period, even if you were lighter in complexion. It was no blacks period.
Colorism exists anywhere there is people of color. White supremacy is a cancer that has spread globally.
That sounds sad@@carrington2949
@@carrington2949 It was definitely worse in the USA.
Growing up in Jamaica around my darker-skinned family members my nickname was red gyal. It is not uncommon to get this nickname or be teased for being lighter skinned despite that being prized by Jamaicans. However, darker-skinned people will always have it harder. My dark-skinned grandma faced so many obstacles to get good work and make a living. I truly believe colorism is more of an issue than classism in JA because Black people’s minds are so damaged and we really have to start at the root in order to overcome the continued oppression by a small minority in power. .
Redbone is a nickname here although the term has a history many people aren’t aware of. We agree, we have to address the root of these issues (amongst the diaspora). There are so many issues we have normalized.
That was in the past as you said, can you pin point that happening presently? In the past, certain jobs were reserved for high coloured people, like tellers, etc, however in present time, that doesnt matter as much. More dark skin people work in the bank now more than light skin.
Reds and *blakka* are among the most two common nicknames is Jamaica, lol. But I have to agree with you, colourism and classism is a awful sickness in Jamaica stunting the growth and prosperity of the nation. Damage minds indeed!
@@Jason-dm7uh Funnily colourism exist wherever there was colonialization and chattel slavery.
@@l360b 💯 fact!
I am a proud Jamaican. I thank you for covering this important topic. Great discussion.
I think that classism is much more of an issue than colourism in modern Jamaica.
Agree 💯 percentage
Oh yh. CLASSISM is the MAJOR issue today.
Oh yes this is very true. Blindly our people suffer from Colorism and Classism.. It depends on where you live and your educational background. Jamaicans are very proud people and because of Classism you will always want to look your best. It has decrease today but back then, you would not be able to afford certain things or shop in certain places, so it was very obvious. 😢 🇯🇲💔
🥺 We didn’t realize it was at such a great scale like this.
@TheDemouchetsREACT It was a major issue. Thank God my generation and my nieces and nephews generation refused to accept it, and we changed it. These kids today really don't care about these things like race and class. For that, I am grateful.
And that’s also very True Old school Jamaicans especially middle or upper class hated Rastas lol My dad tells me my grandfather (pictured) hated them and they were seen as Hippies in Jamaica
Woah, we were taught the complete opposite. That’s why we always say we jam the old reggae songs.😅
@@TheDemouchetsREACT No Rastas didn’t become accepted in Jamaica until the 80s mind you Jamaica from its founding was a Conservative Anglican Christian Society, Rastas were seen as Hippies and Afrocentric outcast
@@TheDemouchetsREACT Just like the Maroons they were a minority in Jamaica but weren’t the majority of people until the 80s when more people got into the Rastafarian way of life, Rastafarianism isn’t even that old it started in around the 60s
I was speaking on our experience with our elders (our kin). They respected the Rastas way of living and beliefs.
The lyrics said “Girl I honor you because you don’t bleach out your skin, you didn’t use no chemicals to look like a browning (light skin) so you got it right 😂🇯🇲
Jamaica is a former British colony so the British have a brutal class system lots of levels of seperation in their society
What is sambo?
The lyrics were by a different artist who was praising women for not bleaching. Totally different artist from Kartel.
So true I have so many White passing ancestors on multiple branches of my family going back to the early 1700s colorism in Jamaica has its deep roots in the Plantation system
Its getting better now, Afro people are cherishing of their blackness. There are still some especially in the city regions but not limited to it, who are plagued with self hate.
This happened throughout the diaspora. They were living during a time many of us wouldn’t survive in.
@@TheDemouchetsREACT Yes anywhere there was a Plantation system Race mixing was bound to occur that led to there being colorism
Classism is now the most major issue not that the others are completely gone. Britain is a very CLASSIST society and colonial Britain divided Jamaican people along shade lines.
This is still happening in jamaica in 2024
@TheDemouchetsREACT
You had it right, The Artist was saying he Honors the Girl if she *doesn't* Bleach out her Skin..
The quote by Michelle Cliff is very outdated. These kids today and in my generation didn't have the same hurdles. Today, a dark skinned rich Jamaican will be just as negative or prejudiced against someone of the same complexion belonging to a different socioeconomic class. It's less about colour now. I had friends from many different backgrounds.
People for real are less mentally shackled and embrace their Africaness more
It's very hard to accept someone bleaching, it's very scary to some Jamaicans and that can cause a lot of disassociation because instead of self acceptance, there is self abuse, and who wants to be with or around someone who doesn't know who they are.
❤ It simply means there is unresolved issues that the person needs to deal with. ❤
"Mi honour you because you don't bleach out your skin."
The students in the universities are not seen ..bleaching...nor the church. The working class, you might not see it at all !❤
As a Jamaican i can tell you that many of the bleachers look like a mess... mentally , physically, emotionally and socially.
WHEN I WAS A YOUNG BOY GOING TO CHURCH WITH MY MOTHER, I NEVER FELT THE CHURCH WAS A GOOD PLACE FOR ME! TODAY I PERSONALLY THINKS 🤔 MY MOM, ONLY TOOK ME TO CHURCH BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS PAST DOWN TO HER PARENTS, TO HER FROM GENERATIONS TO GENERATIONS! TODAY THE MADNESS CONTINUES IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!
Yes family that’s the scar and residues of slavery and colonialism
if you notice what the black attorney said (bert) and what the light skinned lady ( who we would consider as in the white jamaican category) differs.. those darker skin ppl she's refering to most likely as you guys call it 'code switch' their whole lives to make themselves palatable to the sensibilities of lighter/white skin peers/counterparts. so it all boils down to colour/shade. that shade will determime your value in society and opportunities afforded which affects education, jobs, social access etc..and comes right back around.
because here 90% of the ruling class is white/light skinned. all the big family names are white and most are direct decesdants of slave owners. they don't generally encourage their children to marry darker skinned partners.
so the remnants of the slave trade structure is still very alive in our politics, culture, how we speak to each other, who and whatbwe value, who gets access or attention and the lists goes on.
siin bleaching feeds into this because of the mindset passing down the generations of the lighter you are the prettier, the more access, the more opportunities, just overall being more in how you're perceived. even if some bash or oppose we cannot deny the historical impact or deep rooted culural practices that birth the phenomenon in the first place.
We have come a long way!
Do a review on the Africans and Chinese fight in Jamaica that led to Chinese being banned from immigrating to Jamaica. The fight was instigated by wyt supremist or the heads at that time in Jamaica.
Wow! I have never heard of this. Where do I find this info?
@@kuyahkudey3217 Google it, there are news articles on it and even videos on youtube.
Thank you for reviewing this conversation Fam!! I must say that the colorism has decreased or just less blatant in today's society. Also, I believe its regional aspect of the Caribbean. Class and colour are linked because majority of lighter skin and white Jamaicans occupy the 1%, are more educated and benefit from greater opportunities. We aren't really having this conversation, because its hard. The song lyrics doesn't belong Vybz Kartel who was featured afterwards.. 💛💚🖤
You're welcome, fam!
I don’t understand these people Jamaica is all about colour first and it still exists today I was born there I can give you several examples
It was vibes Carter who sang pull up your pants and put it on your waist,tuck in your shirt and don't bleach your face in my time that i dont meditate so i study for the test i dont procrastinate
The whole Caribbean has that problem. Colourism is rampant. But, the other islands do not have the skin bleaching problem that Jamaica has, though. And in some islands like Tobago and Grenada, colourism is not evident, at least not overtly. Anywhere that the British were, has the Classism on top of it. Dominican Republic is the most pathetic with it.
Dominican Republic is Spanish
@@annbowen9656 I meant they were most pathetic with the colorism. Not the classism. I know they are Spanish. Just did not write what I meant clearly.
Living in NYC, the 2 biggest bleaching groups from the Caribbean are Jamaicans people and Haitian women. Not saying that the other Caribbeans not doing it too. Most of my Jamaicans friends has bleached or still bleaching and they see nothing wrong with it. They said it is just a form of fashion.
@@devonb882 Agreed. I am not familiar with Haiti, but definitely Jamaica. And the men always talk about liking the 'brownings' meaning the lighter skinned women. It is so sad. Those women who say it is the fashion are doing it because all the other women are doing it. But they are not aware enough to realise why they are actually doing it, and that is so sad.
@@jouezmoi For Haitian women, it usually the older ones and my Jamaican friends it’s both men and women that say that is just for fashion. What’s really surprising to me is that a lot of the beauty supply stores in Brooklyn has a whole isle full of skin lightning products.
Vybz cartel bleached his skin and and his skin became patchy some parts light some parts dark it is ridiculous .that somone would do that to themselves .
🙏🏾 I pray he is well.
Its called self hate. If you look at the woman he marries or engage, yet kept his black woman for many years as a baby madda, you can see it.
@@TheDemouchetsREACT He is prison on murder charges, currently being appealed and suffering from a medical condition.
That bleaching thing starts from Michael Jackson 😢
China wear is a visitor thing here in jamaica 🇯🇲
Yes he said he honors her because she doesn't bleach her skin
This is something that is dying out in Jamaica. Poor and rich are coming into the change. ❤The colour divide is great in J.A because there are family members who are lighter and poorer than the darker skinned. It's the status that separate people in J.A the most.
The guys who wear sagging pants don't integrate with folks who carry themselves well. In Jamaica you can mingle with the top without discrimination when you are instilled with proper discipline, behaviour skills and the kind of things taught in school.
Sometimes those who are obviously poor will mingle but that could be in Church, hospital, etc. No one gets treated differently as far as i know. ❤😊😮
No way when these guys bleaching skin and uptown not around downtown rich still don't like ghetto youths racism classism still exist today in Jamaica me still live yah
Colorism is on the continent of Africa too, if you are abused you are most likely to be an abuser yourself, willingly or unwillingly. In India, colorism and class go hand in hand, it's everywhere, sad but true.
Classicism in jamaica 🇯🇲 is wide and deep also complex because if is born into wealth of colour they are Presumptuous and more welcome by society overall and schools education and grammar also separate us maliciously
Been called red gal by families of one peers also is sometimes used in the negative this depends on what someone thinks of you or what you have done Good or bad to the opposition or someone not even relating to them it just a opportunity to insult
I had a student that I had to ask if she didn't love herself why she was bleaching?
Have you guys also researched the history of black people in Argentina? How Argentina managed to wipe out the blackness there You should watch a documentary about it.
We haven't. Have you seen a video we should watch?
idk bro i was born and raised in the country in Jamaica. I'm light skin and i heard the red man red this black is beauty red is corruption. but the co-mingle thing idk about i went the same place as my black brothers and laughed with them and lived. I think older heads might be more serious when they say stuff like that than the younger people. it was used by younger generations as like i one over in a argument more than trying to separate them from society based off skin colour
Bleaching is STILL a problem but it USED to be WORSE. Weirdly enough it used to be women and now it's guys too.
True talk
Just like the girl said in Jamaica Racism, Colorism & Classism is one and the same..
Just look at who are the Leaders of the two Political Parties on an Island that's at least 80% black..
Look at list of prime ministers post independence.
@@elbonde I know it was all Europeans but now they claim to be Independent & still run to products of Massa or Massa himself to rule over them..
Don't you think it's a big psychological issue?..
@@elbonde
Only three of them you could tell were actual Afrikans Shearer (very briefly), Patterson & Simpson the rest were products of you know who..
I notice also that the Party with the Green is most guilty of practicing the Light Bright & white crowd in positions of Power..
What is sambo
Can that not be traced back to slavery where those in the house thought they were better than those in the field.
Nowadays people just use color as a way of identifying a person if they don't know your name not just color but height or size, if you're dark skinned your blacks if your light its browning if your a man its brown man if your short it's shorty for women short boss for men fatty for fat women (no disrespect meant and they know that we love big body women) and slimmaz or slimmatic for slim women
I think America is more of a colorist society. Jamaica suffers mostly from classism. Not to say it wasn't a problem in past times in Jamaica.
Can you expound on your experience of the U.S. being a colorist society?
@@TheDemouchetsREACT There are many races intermingling and the Afro ones who are accepted as being pretty are the light complexion ones. For example, the destiny child singers, or even one of the revolutionists called W.E.B Dubious
I disagree with that statement yes America like all nations have colorist issue, but America doesn't have an epidemic of skin bleaching.
@@carolinasoulman1378NOW it doesn’t but Black Americans used too Bleach there skin a lot in the 20s to probably the 90s when it died out
@l360b This is the reason I spoke from a personal experience (not what is pushed in the media). I understand what you’re saying, though.
At the eighteen minute mark the quote is so wrong if you know Jamaicans the darkest go for the lightest and vise versa and has always been that way
But its not bad as in industrialize countries.
Unfortunately, colorism exists in the US, light complexion black people have more acceptance in society as well as light skinned latinos
It doesn’t affects someone’s livelihood (work) on a widespread level here.
Colorism is destroying black jamaicans , just like Americans n africans....... ......who is to be blamed. .......?????
@ouchetsREACT It doesnt in Jamaica either because majority are dark complexion, however people with lighter complexion gets more preferences
@@TheDemouchetsREACT what is Sambo?
I live in Jamaica and I do not notice any colorism. Most people here are as dark as people in Ghana. There are very few light skin people here, even in St Elizabeth, most people are very dark.
That's because lighter people and their families have left Jamaica. Jamaica had significant lighter skinned communities before, they've likely left the country. As many Jamaicans do.
What is SAMBO?
It’s always the most poor societies and poor.
The colourism that is being spoken of happened in the early years after slavery and into the early 20 30and probably up to the 60. But if you check Jamaican families there has been a lot of interracial mixing. Please don't think that Jamaica is not a racially divided country. I am sure every country has a "vibes cartel" unfortunately. Bleaching of the skin is really unfortunate. However we are as our motto says Out of Many one people
What is sambo
Not much against rasta to because rasta is newest necessary fashion
Go check again
What is Sambo?
I could not watch this whole video. Too triggering.
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