Lancer Ralliart - WRX Alt? - Long Term #1 | Everyday Driver
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- The newest car in our used Long Term fleet is the quite rare 2010 Lancer Ralliart Sportback. Todd shares how he chose and found this car, and what happened to his prior winter car, the MINI. Plus, the strange pros and cons he's already discovered with the Lancer as a WRX alternative.
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I like these types of videos because I can actually afford to buy these 😂
It's front wheel drive
@@Mile-long-list negative.
RA's for this gen are awd. The previous generation were na fwd only.
Same until he said what it costs to replace the transmission and that it's 200 dollars for fluid alone lmao
And last I heard Castrol wasn't a good substitute for SST fluid.
Me too
Sunroof is factory. It was part of the “The Sun & Sound package”
Christopher Nestor that package was not available in the US for some reason. The buttons for this sunroof don't match the oem button either.
Was available. I know because I owned one brand new from Jim Shorky Mitsubishi. Same exact layout.
Hmm. As far as we've been able to work out they didn't but it sounds like we were wrong! The switch on this car to open and close it though doesn't match the factory ones we've seen.
@@phattyhales they were available. not in Canada however.
not in us, by the way do you have rear whipers?, i have
They actually do come from the factory with sunroof
Nope
I got one
Correct it did offer it but not with the recaro seats th-cam.com/video/THzJ4uGHuew/w-d-xo.html
@@gsxellence I have one with a sunroof AND Recaro seats
It's either recaros or sunroof
I’ve owned my Ralliart for a few years now and here’s some cold weather advice. Make sure to swap the ACD pump from under the car and into the hatch. 16” wheels/tires are cheaper replacements. The transmission cooler sits behind the driver side fog light can get corroded over time and leak. Upgrading it is a good option. The plastic undercarriage shield might fall apart and can be upgraded to a thicker gauge option. Companies like Clubspec Chitown Customs specialize specifically on the Ralliart platform.
I need a new undertray or more cable ties.
@@nedson6503 NRG OPS is probably the only choice for undertray left on the market
@@bluelinebori How bad are the original ones, are they a waste of money? I was planning to have it done at the main dealer.
I've been waiting for this update since October! Psyched to finally have a long term on the Lancer. I'd love to pick one up to be the winter car to my BRZ. Excellent piece, Todd!
After owning an 04 Ralliart, WRX, EVO X, and an EVO 8, I can say that this Ralliart is a very smart buy. It's easily upgraded with parts from the EVO while maintaining its usefulness as an everyday driver. Good choice.
Nice review. I always appreciate you guys very detailed but straight to the point videos. Thx.
You should get your transmission ECU flashed to include Super-Sport mode like the Evo MR has. It uses more clutch pressure therefore allowing less slip, which equals longer clutch life. It also allows for much faster, crisper shifts, also prolonging clutch life; not to mention better throttle response and of course a more fun driving experience.
Kevo Kirby yea it’s crazy even tuning the lancers can make them very fun. These Mitsubishi’s change so much with a tune
Hello, i have an 09 ralliart, i am glad to see it getting recognition in this video. There are lots of fairly cheap upgrades possible.
Andrew pye sells a 6 piston brembos big brake kit, evo x rear brakes bolt on directly with minor modifications
Used evo x intercooler and about 200$ in other parts, plus a tune will net you over 80 horsepower to the wheels.
The turbo can be upgraded for under 1000$, and coupled with a manifold, injectors, and possibly a fuel pump on an e85 tune, you will see over 120 more hp
Mine is currently down for a turbo rebuild, after 140k hard miles it finally went out on me. Thank you for this video and I look forward to more!
Another great video! Well done lads
I remember when I spotted my first Lancer of this generation and instantly loved the styling, particularly of the front "mouth" area. It just looked so aggressive compared to everything else that was on the road. I'm looking forward to the updates with this vehicle over the next few years. Hopefully it's trouble-free motoring for Todd!
the design has aged nicely but now everyone else does aggressive cars too
and i dont like Mitsu's new design language, makes this look plain lmaoo
but the ass is soooo ugly (I have this exact car, still love it)
the rear on the sportbacks are the ugliest thing i’ve ever seen
Alsooooo!!!! Sorry for the spam but if the transmission does die you can get it rebuilt at two shops in the United States. Jacks Transmissions in Colorado or Kozmic Motorsports in Texas. They’re the only 2 that will break the thing apart and work on it. Price around $2800-$3500
SoCalSupercars I’ve had work done on my car at Kozmic! I recommend them 200%!!! Ive seen and sat in the world record evo a few times!
Good looking out for Jacks, they’ve been serving the dsm guys for years!
Moore Automotive in Virginia also rebuilds SST transmissions.
Kozmic Motorsports in Houston over anyone else
The dealerships don't know how to work on the sst so they just replace them. Shops like Kozmic motorsports in Texas or SJL in Canada can repair/ upgrade the SST for a lot less.
The dealership doesn't know how because (unfortunately) it's not a Mitsubishi transmission but a Getrag. Better still, it's not designed for a dealer mechanic to work on it. I believe they planned in advance that if it malfunctioned the mechanic would send it to Getrag for "depot maintenance".
Jack's Transmissions does work on them as well.
@@CherrySquishee Jack's is just about the least reputable shop that services these transmissions. They are known to have caused huge issues for SST customers in the past.
AlDim000 they did some work on my Evo. The work seems good still and it’s been about 4 years, but they definitely took their sweet time and were awful at communicating during the repair. Its still not cheap to fix but cheaper than a new trans.
I went through Jack's in Colorado and they do amazing stuff.
Excellent review !! Very thorough and detailed ! Thank you
I just purchased this exact car at an auction car for $3750 several months ago with 86k miles. I just put an aftermarket exhaust and thank god it came with silencers. I'll sell you my factory exhaust if you are interested.
Todd would be interested... send us an email - EverydayDriverTV@gmail.com
Hi, great video! I have a 2011 Raliart sedan that I’m pushing 110,000 miles on. I haven’t modified mine much, just a stage 1 intake and exhaust and reflash. The biggest reason I haven’t done more is the small fuel tank these cars have. I rarely see 300 miles on a tank. I work nights and it is about 40 miles to work in northeastern Ohio weather. The best thing I’ve done to mine is to install a Viper Smart Start system on it. The transmission fluid is fairly thick and takes a while to warm up. It’s nice to go out to warm car that I don’t have to let the transmission warm before drive.
These guys deserve more view!
When I see EveryDay Driver video, I hit like first and then watch :)
thanks for the in-depth on this car, looks like a fun one
Great video. I bought a lightly modded 2015 evo x gsr. Love it. It also came w a really loud exhaust. I got some silencers off eBay for it so it’s livable now. Great handling fast car.
tbh, its beautiful. 2005 outback xt owner here and love it!
Fyi. Mitsu sold that with a oem sunroof. The part number for the glass is 5850A104
Not in the US. They were available in Canada though. This one is definitely aftermarket though, the switches are not the same as the OEM ones.
My friend bought one in 2011 with a stock sun roof brand new in California. They were not available in 2010
I looked around Ohio and found a 2013 silver one with the sunroof.
@@phattyhales My 2011 has it. When shopping for one, I looked a several 2010 that had it. Maybe late in year it became an option as part of the sun and sound premium package, or was an optional dealer installed item.
Awesome overview! Really love these cars. Will hopefully get to play with one someday. Interesting insight into the DCT. I'd go for the manual though. :)
Ayyyy Utah!!! Had no idea you guys were here!
Damn, this makes me miss driving my subie up big cottonwood canyon every morning.
Any update on this car? I am the proud owner of a completely stock Lancer Sportback Ralliart with 124k miles and I am still in love with it. Happy to see a video like this.
Apparently the motor failed on it
A blue Lancer is like a blue Coke can, and a red Impreza is like a red Pepsi can.
They dont handle similarly as coke and pepsi taste
@@misterpacha1 Coke and Pepsi aren't that similar lol
@@colormesarge the whole idea and millions of dollars invested and peoples taste buds say otherwise
Looks good in blue, mine is white the best shade of RA lancer.
Awesome! I like me some wintercross in my life :)
man, RIP the Evo.. I had an 8, loved that car. sad they dont make em anymore
I came SO close to purchasing one just three months back. Ultimately I passed because of the interior, shady dealer, and hearing about the transmission and AWD failure rates/costs on these cars. I don't at all regret the car I bought instead, as it fits my needs a lot better than the Lancer, but it'll be entertaining to watch how this unfolds. I enjoyed my test drive a lot and it would be neat to own one sometime down the road.
I like how he said it is actually pretty similar to the Evo 9. I have passively looked at Evo's for a few years and don't like the 10's as much. I would be down for the 9 though! If this gets me closer to that now you've got my attention!
I had a ralliart and loved it!
This is pretty cool !
This is awesome. I hope you also eventually get an Evo X.
I'm looking to buy one great video tks
The soundproofing reminds me of my dad's VW Sharan from 2001 , we went to many trips in that car when it was almost brand new but on the highway my ears were folding .
Hello! Great choice in a daily/winter vehicle. I have the sedan version. This weekend I did a td06 20g upgrade with a 9 wheel billet blade. Full hot parts kit from MAperformance including a tubular manifold, 02 eliminator vta downpipe, id 1050x injectors, aero fuel pump, synapse diverter valve and other bolt ons parts including 4in fmic, ic piping , test pipe injen intake and cat back. Basemapped for the weekend and will be tuned tomorrow. I consider it a wolf in sheeps clothing when one opens up its potential.
I had the car dynoed. 405whp on 330tq. Clutches started slipping because we did not install s sport which adds 20% more clamping force. S sport is installed now and it is faster than when it dynoed at 405whp. For a 13k car I am faster than most cars on the strert with the creature comforts of a modern vehicle. Love the car!!! Next steps are AMS TMP cams, timing belt change and re tune in e85. My injectors are not being pushed anywhere near their potential
solid af gains bro!! awesome to hear. never even knew these cars existed only of the Evo and I'm blown away at their cheap mod potential
crazy how these cars r still under the radar
Nice car I have a 2010 Ralliart non sports back transmission is touchy but I love it and the car extremely reliable. Take car of the fluid flush every 15,000 miles or 20
I am not sure where you live but man it is a pretty sight with the mountains!
I own a evo x , and i love that car !!
Congratulation on the purchase. Ralliart are great all around car. How many miles is on the car?
I loved the Ralliart‘s TC-SST until it died due to shift fork malfunction. I currently have a dead 2010 ralliart sitting at my friends house 😭🤷🏽♂️. Wish they would’ve offered this vehicle with a traditional manual transmission. I would recommend rebuilding the twin clutch trans if you want more power or it will overheat. Also do the trans fluid & trans filter changes before the service intervals in your maintenance manual!!! Mitsu was optimistic about how long the fluid is good for. Gets dirty super fast.
Also another side note: the twin clutch transmission is made by Getrag.
hitup kozmic or sjl, sjl has lifetime warranty on shiftfork repairs
I thought it was dumb that Mitsubishi only sold it with the Getrag flappy-paddle transmission. The car could have been lighter and less expensive if they just put in a wide-ratio 5-speed. Or, heck, the 6-speed they sold in the Evo IX had a torque rating too low for the 4G63, but a tranny that strong would have been fine with the Ralliart engine.
For anyone interested, VW DSG fluid is exactly the same as the Diaqueen SST-F1 that Mitsubishi sells and it costs 1/4 -1/3 as much. I now have over 100,000KM on my SST running DSG fluid with no ill effect and the much lower price has allowed me to do changes more often and really isn't hard to do yourself. I'd say most people put off doing the fluid change because of the absurd cost at the dealership. When I first called for a quote I actually thought they were quoting me the price of a new transmission or a rebuild or something, could'nt believe it. Recommended interval for "spirited" driving is 45,000KM, anecdotally I'd recommend half that.
The front grill is painted all blue, the wheels are from a EVO X GSR, in case you were wondering what else is not "stock". I have a 2009 sedan with the full package HID/roof/nav/sat/leather/Suede/Recaro. ACD pump is prone to failures and costs a lot of money to fix, transmission requires OEM liquid or else it fries itself in no time. Also, lots of shift fork issues.
The shot of Todd with the full Giant Slalom outfit on while driving looks like it’s from the movie “SnowPocalypse”.
I've not historically been a fan of the Lancer line. But I have to say that is quite a good looking car. It's a shame that it isn't available with a true manual. For me that would be a deal breaker because I love driving a manual. I don't care of dual clutch boxes or some true automatics are quicker I like driving a manual. I don't get a lot of snow where i'm at (Dallas, Tx) but I did own a 2002 WRX for a while and that car was fantastic in wet conditions. I had often considered revisiting an AWD car in the form of a newer WRX or STI as my WRX was a pretty good daily driver. I look forward to your extended review after owning this Lancer for a while.
I remember when you had the frs, how was that car in comparison to the lancer?
I always wanted this car.
There was quite a good comparison video of the Evo X & Lancer Ralliart, they had them both up on ramps so you could see the differences, there were a lot.
The suspension is totally different, much more complex in the Evo, the engine & SST gearbox and a few of the body parts were shared but surprisingly little else, you would have thought more shared parts would have kept the costs down.
I think when it comes to Mitsubishi's halo cars (the Evos) they really go all out and make sure it's done right (mechanically anyway). Some non-critical interior parts are still cheap (I have an Evo X so I know this personally lol).
Hey Todd, any updates from your spring/summer driving experience and ownership of the ralliart video coming?
I own a ralliart in Australia, the Sun roof is a factory option and I recon that you're recaros have been installed. Recaros only come in evo X here
geoff deller recaros came in the ralliart till 2010 then they stopped putting them in.
I live in so cal and I don't think I've ever seen one in person... Very cool little car though and with a manual I'm sure it's a blast
no such thing as a RA manual, only the dual clutch
Go to Kozmic Motorsports in Houston TX, they are Number 1 in the Mitsu SST department! If you have a problem or want to upgrade (which I recommend, Those Fork magnets are notorious of coming off!) They are the way to go! I got mine serviced and upgraded and its been running strong since 2014, (EVO X MR 08)
U gotta change the SST fluid earlier than what the manual says. Mine threw up multiple critical faults and wouldn't get into gears and I tbough it was dead, gambled and changed the fluid and it came back to life. This transmission is very very sensitive to dirty fluid!
How often do you change it? Every 40k kms?
@@vertio7 30K miles is widely recommend. Mine is high mileage (178k miles), I may start changing the fluid every 25k, or when I feel like the shifting is getting a bit rough.
@@cirasarc4413 thanks man, I'm going to look at one tmrw with 117k kms and I just want to make sure I know about the car before I look at it!
@@vertio7 nice good luck!
how is the ra? love the exhuast sound ...load the gst basemap and boost pill all of a sudden you have a 12-13 second car with the supports bolt ons
love my 2014 ralliart sedan 130k mile trans is still strong.
My buddies buddy has this car. I came from a Speed 3, and I got myself an EVO X 2011 last year. I miss the ROOM!! bigger fuel tank, and a bake whipper. Also, you sound just like MIKE ROWE from Dirty Jobs. lol.
Was looking at getting one of these, a wrx or a genesis coupe (I know the genesis coupe is completely different from the two) long story short decided on the Genesis Coupe, spending nearly $1000 CAD on the transmission fluid alone wasn't a good option for myself (College Student) plus hearing the horror stories of Mitsubishi's Twin Clutch dying on others gave me a sour stomach along with hearing about the ACD pump going bad due to poor location. Subbed to see how it fairs in the Wisconsin winters as it wouldn't be too different from our winters here in Canada
In Australia the evo x MR begins generally at 22k AUD, generally a good one is roughly 25-32k, I picked up a built sst ralliart with all the bells n whistles for 11k, huge price drop considering it's the same engine
Having owned and currently own Mitsubishi products, based on my experiences, this car will treat you well for a very long time. I find Mitsu's awd to be very good perhaps better than Subaru. Nice find! Drive safe!
I would disagree with the Subaru/Mitsubishi AWD comment. Subaru has a proven AWD system with a long-time pedigree behind it. However, Mitsubishi does do a good job with some of their cars. I prefer the quality of the WRX, but the looks of the Lancer...
Mitsubishi's AWD system is more sophisticated than Subaru's, but the Subaru AWD system is actually more effective when travelling on rough or unsealed roads.
It's why Evos tend to be favoured for on-track prowess whereas the WRX STi is the more practicable daily vehicle.
@@AustinMBecker Mitsubishi sawc will always be better than the Subaru AWD because it can lock the center coupling. Subaru cannot.
Best car still youthful and competitive in 2020
I actually own this car without the sunroof, and there are couple places in the US that will rebuild the SST and costs around 2k that being said you do have to ship them your transmission or take it there.
Apparently keeping it in sport mode saves the clutches as normal mode causes more friction to smoothen the changes.
the DCT is from a german company called Getrag, who supplies all different kinds of transmissions to all different kinds of car manufacturers
wooow what happened to the front todd?? did they smooth the grill with bondo?
2006 Lancer RalliArt. A much more than stock apart from the 15inch OZ and bumper badges. A daily commuter rival against the Focus ST.
In 2006 the ralliart got a better engine than the base
I love it. Thanks for the video.
Kozmic Motorsports specializes with SST transmission rebuilds for a lot less than 10 grand
I know this was 3yrs ago, but any updates on her since? Very curious to hear
Check out jacks transmission or kosmic they both do rebuilds only other issue would be the mechtronics which isn't too expensive.
How many kms did it have on the odometer when you bought it?
Flash super sport onto it, the transmission is typically rebuilt stronger aftermarket one when it breaks, 5k or so and its next to bulletproof then
I have an Evo X, and I wondered what it would be like having the Ralliart instead.
Wouldn't the hatchback body be way more convenient than having my battery and washer bottle in the trunk?
Would the smaller turbo and different gear ratios make it more responsive? How many mpg would I gain with that tall 6th gear?
Then we get to the question of: When a noisy diesel pickup challenges me at a traffic light, would I still be able to leave him behind? Probably not.
When that "Hemi" Ram was showing off how loud his engine was, and the highway opened up for us, would I still be able to *beat him up and take his lunch money?*
Or maybe this is the more important question: Is the Evo X or the Ralliart more fun on a mountain road with nobody around?
At some point I remember the Ralliart came with a flappy-paddle tranny, and then my 5-speed Evo seems like more of a drivers car.
i bought my RA sportback 2 weeks ago in a heartbeat. just because its very hard to find one here in LA. and its the car i need especially i have a family now. i was asked a couple of times on a stop asking me is that the new Lancer? LoL mines 2010 haha! i guess its really kinda rare to see one.
A Teach-In would fix any odd shift issues, as it wears, it needs calibration. I run it yearly and keeps my MR shifting like lightening.
When is a new video coming? I also have a RASB and there are not a lot of videos on this cars, so I would love updates from someone
I have a ralliart too 🔥
1:31 How is a Ralliart a 3700 lb car? Is that with 2 people in it? A 2008 Evo X GSR weighed 3586 lbs with the (one) option package and a full tank of gas.
Oh, well... Thumbs up for "wintercross". :)
Maybe its the added steel for the "hatch" body? Id assume more sound deadening would be needed too since the whole cabin is exposed to the exhaust and rear wheels whereas a sedan doesnt need to sound deaden the trunk because its a seperate compartment.
@@PenguinGaming IDK, I think the hatch body is the length of the sedan, with the trunk cut off. Maybe they had to reinforce it to make up for having an opening so much bigger than the trunk. I just remembered the Evo X had aluminum hood, front fenders, and roof, and I'm still not convinced that makes up for the weight of the AYC, which was rumored to weigh 180 lbs.
gsr is 5 spd. i assume sst much heavier
evo also has forged wheels and 2 piece rotors, and bilsteins
The SST transmission is much heavier than the GSR's 5-speed. More glass (sunroof and hatch) and more frame and bodywork for the hatchback should make up your extra weight. If the sunroof is powered, those mechanisms will add further weight. It also wouldn't surprise me if some parts on the GSR are lighter specifically for the purpose of minor weight savings as it is intended to be a more performance focused model.
The Ralliart Sportback's weight is actually 3,572 lb for the Sportback and much less for the Sedan (3462). Sedan vs sedan, the Ralliart is a lighter than a GSR (3517) and much lighter than an MR (3594 lb).
What kind of rims do you have on this? How wide of a tire?
I find it interesting when I look at Paul and Todd’s garages, there is only one manual transmission car... Expedition, Cayman, Cayenne, and Lancer are all auto/dual clutch and only the Elise has a third pedal. I’m not judging, but it got my attention.
Don't worry, I make up for it. Three of my four cars are manual.
Comparisons to the 92X?
now since the market is ugly these ralliarts are actually worth it even it is has 140k on it shows reliability and good maintenance on previous owners
Always been interested in these but really the only reason I would buy one over a WRX of a similar year is if I needed to have an "automatic."
How do you switch the speedometer display?
Redline fluids will fix all those winter issues
Good lord i wish the sst wasnt such a pain, if it were a manual id definitely consider one as a daily
A (free) GST map will do magic to transmission and power.
The ACD pump will eventually brake down in winter conditions. Expensive.
- my experience of 9 years ownership.
yup, doing the relocation in the trunk earlier than later is always a good idea :p
Timing chain stretch can also be an issue in the earlier RA models. I had both the '09 and '13 RA. '13 had the improvements to timing chain and ACD pump.
There is now a recall/warrenty extension for the ACD pump. Unfortunately they just replace it with the same pump.
I have a 2008 Mitsubishi Ralliart Galant Fortis which is pretty much the same as a 2008 Mitsubishi Ralliart Lancer. I love this car alot. It has the same SST transmission. The only thing I am having a problem with is that sometimes moving off forward there is this jerking motion as if I'm thinking the clutch is slipping but I'm not sure if that is the case. Do you or has anyone experience this and what could be the cause?
Never heard of a lancer hatch that’s crazy
That trans is a getrag. And its possible to flash it into evox mode and gain super sport mode.
Welcome to wisconsin winter is 8 months and the rest is summer. Buying nice cars here isn't easy.
id do the ayc pump relocation especially sense you are driving in the winter. they dont like cold or salt and they arn't cheap either. i had to replace mine on my evo x.
The ralliart doesnt have ayc. But still a solid recommendation. Had mine done 2 years ago and am leaving the salt belt in a few days!
Idt there r any after market dct fluid for this gearbox... So if one day mitsu decides to discontinue it it's gg...
Never saw one in hatchback form myself. Interesting design not my taste but its different. Like the Subaru/Saab hatchback.
Trevor Philips, is that you?
Thomas bruuhh 😂😂
I never knew this existed
You have the sun and sound package and it comes with a sun roof
Any updates? We're coming up on 1 year since this video was posted.
I want to get the 2011 lancer ralliart used. Worth it or no?
Out of curiosity, is the block and rotating assembly the same as an Evo?
Thomas Carpenter I owned a Ralliart and pretty much all is the same under the hood except: a single scroll smaller turbo versus the twin scroll evo one, smaller inter cooler & battery is up front not in the rear. I think that’s the major differences a simple turbo & intercooler swap & ur making evo power !