Great video! I wish I saw this at when I started playing 8-9 years ago. I believe both of the starter sets you recommended are fantastic. Below is my detail look at the discs in these packs as I've used all of these discs for years. Putter advise. Plus some more TIPS. The innova pack is a standard great set. 140-160g in DX plastic. All the discs are fantastic starters and may stay in your bag for years as controllable standard throws. Putter is Aviar 2301 is a world standard and been in many tournaments. Mid is Shark 4402 is wonderful dependable over stable with great fade at the end. NOTE: A dependable overstable (strong fade) mid or fairway disc is a must for anyone's starting bag as is a stable (straight) or understable mid-range. Leopard 65-21 is a great understable fairway that give you dependable s curve throws and can stay in your bag for a long time. Teaches you many things. DX discs are nice to hold and good in all weather. But DX can and will lose it shape with hitting tree, etc. to change the flight. First time player my think it is their fault and not that the damaged disc is now weird. Once your form and arm speed gets better up grade these discs to a better plastic like GStar - Innova premium plastic that is grippy and strong in all weather. The Latitude 64 starter pack is avg 150g. Pack has: Diamond Driver - a wonderful 8 6-31 fast speed that will give you distance when you learn to control it - can stay in your bag for years, Pearl Mid-Range - a 46-40 is great to work lines but easy to over power. I have one in my bag. Ruby Putter 35-31 gives you low power sweet control. If you over power it as it will go wild. Wonderful for controlled approach shots - which happen all the time. (While good I believe the Ruby is the weakest of all discs in the packs). The Prime plastic normally has a flatter top - less dome then the DX plastic. I like this feel in my hand. Prime is a tougher then DX and will hold it's shape thus hold it's original fight much longer. If you are adding discs to your Lat64 (or to the Innova pack or any bag!) get a Lat64 EMac Truth - 5502 - a longer and better shark in any plastic. Dependable fade you can use to go around trees etc. You will reach for this disc over and over no matter your skill level! For adding to the Innova pack get the Leopard3 75-21 in GStar plastic. This Leopard upgrade is a faster disc and travels farther. GStar is a wonderful grippy strong professional plastic for everyone and all weather and is wonderful combo with the Leopard3. Other just single discs go with what he recommended! Mako3 in XTPro plastic 5500 is just dependable, grippy and straight as an arrow stable disc! Inertia in plasma plastic 95-22 and the Valkyrie 94-22 are great for wind and distance plus are a great discs to advance your game - when you are ready. PUTTERS are very important, you always use your putter. If you are up grading your Putter - write down all the putters he recommends (he really hit a lot of the best ones) and then go to a local shop and and grab each of these. Practice putt if they have a target up. Look less at the putter plastic but what mold feels best and fits in your hand. Once you get a Putter you like then ask what different plastics it come in and different weights feel good. I like a grip on my putter. Heavier putters are ok to use - from 150-170g for beginners. I get two - three of the same type of the same putter. You will spend the most time with your putter it is worth the cost. Plus putting practice is easier to do with 3 of the same mold and mostly same weight - you learn one mold quickly not 2-3. Get a very soft plastic are usually grippy = they stick to the ground, don't bounce and not roll away - this can happens a lot. Buy two in mid-hard plastic in the same weight and plastic. Use one to just make all your putts easier in the chains and fight wind. Another mid-hard plastic as just your main approach disc. Pro's do this to have the same consistency in discs all of your short game - which is a lot of the time. TIPS: - do not buy over 165g for a while unless you have a VERY windy area. Look for 145-160g weights. NN - Buy bright color disc!! Black, brown, GREEN or any dark colors might be cooler but you WILL lose these dark colors and waste time looking for the disc. White, PINK, neon colors are great. It not fun looking for a disc for 20 min that was in a tree or in the dirt or leaves or GRASS all the time right next to you. - Again at start Do NOT buy faster than 9 speed. He is right on this! You will not be able to throw them without the disc turning early and crashing uncontrollably. You need form, control and throw velocity to throw higher speed disc the way they are made to be thrown. Learn the lower discs. - Play the first couple times with just your putter!! Yup seriously. Most Pro's will recommend that this will teach you control and form faster than using all the discs. - If you are starting over throwing a disc and it is not damaged to change it's flight you do NOT NEED to give up on that disc. Just get a heavier weight like buying a +10 gram disc AND/OR the same disc in a different stronger plastic. You keep your control but move up your game!
This is an amazing write up! I wish I had this info before I bought a zillion different discs just for the sake of trying something new. Nothing wrong with it and I have a sweet collection now! But it can be overwhelming.
Thanks Janet. I was playing with some new players on Sunday morning (just after I uploaded the video) and they were asking me all the same questions. So hopefully I've answered the right questions.
Thanks Mat, very useful for the beginning disc golfer. I would also recommend sticking to one brand in the beginning as trying to learn all of the different plastics and mismatching flight numbers makes it very complicated. Made that mistake myself
A few things: innova's kit is also minimum weight (all are between 145-150g) but that doesn't make it for kids, just less hard to throw for beginners. Most kits come with a driver that requires far too much arm-speed for a beginner - some are including 9-10 speed discs in their packs - and it took me all of 3 months of very frequent playing before I even had the arm speed for the Leopard from my starter kit. IMO, everyone could just start off with 1 disk, a quality 4|5|-2|1 like a Comet in a quality plastic. Later add something like a Leopard after a couple of months and a putter if you want to start getting fancy - although there are SOME 3-speed putters with wider rims (12, 13, even 14mm) that might also be a versatile choice as a first disc. With regards to the Innova starter kit, for me personally, I found it easier to putt with the Shark, than with the Aviar, the extra glide helping with push-putts while learning (Aviar is way overrated). Once the DX Shark is broken in, putting is all it's good for anyways. You can't do much else with it, because of light weight and 12mm rim limits it's uses compared to other speed4-5 discs. DX plastic has been a huge disappointment! I'll never ever buy that again. I almost decided to never buy another Innova product again, because I'm so appalled at how bad DX is. Manufacturers aren't helping themselves there. There's $1 worth of plastic in a DX, $1.10 in a GStar, $1.20 in a Star... they could easily offer a better quality for the budget price-point and just scrap DX, giving customers a much better first-impression with the company, laying the cornerstone for a lifetime future customer. DX has left me completely unimpressed with innova, and although I still look at their discs while disc shopping, I'd look at far less other brands if my initial experience with them had been a better one. (yeah, dx is that bad, after 3 months of throwing it). I wouldn't even cover anything over a speed6 in a beginner/intro video, as those are for year2 and beyond. It's far too soon to start worrying about those. I just got an FD, and it's fading wayyyy more than anticipated, but I'm still in year1 (6 months experience). And btw, strength and speed are 2 very different things. In karate, I know a lot of guys who can beat the crap out of much more muscular fighters - the key is speed, not strength. Just look at how skinny some of the professionals are - and some throw 500+ feet.
Great video! Bought a starter set and on advice from you guys I have a couple more on the way. Can't wait to get them and get back out on the course. Got yourself a new subscriber :)
Another good video! This should really help beginners and probably others with a few months under their belt who got off a bit on the wrong foot. I like how you added some important clarifications with on screen text too. I didn't hear you mention the “hyzer flip” throw, but I'm sure it's going to come up in your future videos. For me, I probably wouldn't have thrown away (de-bagged) my Leopard and Valkyrie discs if I'd known about hyzer flip throws when I was building my bag.
Thanks Tim. Always difficult on knowing where to stop. I was trying to keep this video as concise as possible and it still turned out at over 20 minutes long! And then during editing I'm thinking I should have mentioned that or something else. Have plenty more ideas in the pipeline for beginners, so I'm sure I'll get to shot shapes and hyzer flipping at some point.
What I found overwhelming as a beginner is the range of names of the discs that give no indication as to what type of disc they are. Just building out my bag with prodigy discs. Letters and numbers makes things easier for me! Perhaps I spend too much time working with spreadsheets!!
Some might say Prodigy are a bit boring with their disc naming system but it sure makes it easy to understand what type of disc it is and how it will fly.
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Having played for years and watched many of these types of videos, this is the most clear, and complete explanation I’ve ever seen. Good Job!
Greatest beginner series on the Internet… period. Learned a lot 💯💯
Thanks for making this video. It should be required viewing for all new disc golfers! Clear, concise information and great advice for the beginner.
Yes ! Great video ! Thanks bro ! Very informative...
Awesome beginner primer. Ive learned more here than anywhere else. Thanks!
Great video! I wish I saw this at when I started playing 8-9 years ago. I believe both of the starter sets you recommended are fantastic. Below is my detail look at the discs in these packs as I've used all of these discs for years. Putter advise. Plus some more TIPS.
The innova pack is a standard great set. 140-160g in DX plastic. All the discs are fantastic starters and may stay in your bag for years as controllable standard throws. Putter is Aviar 2301 is a world standard and been in many tournaments. Mid is Shark 4402 is wonderful dependable over stable with great fade at the end. NOTE: A dependable overstable (strong fade) mid or fairway disc is a must for anyone's starting bag as is a stable (straight) or understable mid-range. Leopard 65-21 is a great understable fairway that give you dependable s curve throws and can stay in your bag for a long time. Teaches you many things. DX discs are nice to hold and good in all weather. But DX can and will lose it shape with hitting tree, etc. to change the flight. First time player my think it is their fault and not that the damaged disc is now weird. Once your form and arm speed gets better up grade these discs to a better plastic like GStar - Innova premium plastic that is grippy and strong in all weather.
The Latitude 64 starter pack is avg 150g. Pack has: Diamond Driver - a wonderful 8 6-31 fast speed that will give you distance when you learn to control it - can stay in your bag for years, Pearl Mid-Range - a 46-40 is great to work lines but easy to over power. I have one in my bag. Ruby Putter 35-31 gives you low power sweet control. If you over power it as it will go wild. Wonderful for controlled approach shots - which happen all the time. (While good I believe the Ruby is the weakest of all discs in the packs). The Prime plastic normally has a flatter top - less dome then the DX plastic. I like this feel in my hand. Prime is a tougher then DX and will hold it's shape thus hold it's original fight much longer.
If you are adding discs to your Lat64 (or to the Innova pack or any bag!) get a Lat64 EMac Truth - 5502 - a longer and better shark in any plastic. Dependable fade you can use to go around trees etc. You will reach for this disc over and over no matter your skill level! For adding to the Innova pack get the Leopard3 75-21 in GStar plastic. This Leopard upgrade is a faster disc and travels farther. GStar is a wonderful grippy strong professional plastic for everyone and all weather and is wonderful combo with the Leopard3.
Other just single discs go with what he recommended! Mako3 in XTPro plastic 5500 is just dependable, grippy and straight as an arrow stable disc! Inertia in plasma plastic 95-22 and the Valkyrie 94-22 are great for wind and distance plus are a great discs to advance your game - when you are ready.
PUTTERS are very important, you always use your putter. If you are up grading your Putter - write down all the putters he recommends (he really hit a lot of the best ones) and then go to a local shop and and grab each of these. Practice putt if they have a target up. Look less at the putter plastic but what mold feels best and fits in your hand. Once you get a Putter you like then ask what different plastics it come in and different weights feel good. I like a grip on my putter. Heavier putters are ok to use - from 150-170g for beginners. I get two - three of the same type of the same putter. You will spend the most time with your putter it is worth the cost. Plus putting practice is easier to do with 3 of the same mold and mostly same weight - you learn one mold quickly not 2-3. Get a very soft plastic are usually grippy = they stick to the ground, don't bounce and not roll away - this can happens a lot. Buy two in mid-hard plastic in the same weight and plastic. Use one to just make all your putts easier in the chains and fight wind. Another mid-hard plastic as just your main approach disc. Pro's do this to have the same consistency in discs all of your short game - which is a lot of the time.
TIPS:
- do not buy over 165g for a while unless you have a VERY windy area. Look for 145-160g weights. NN
- Buy bright color disc!! Black, brown, GREEN or any dark colors might be cooler but you WILL lose these dark colors and waste time looking for the disc. White, PINK, neon colors are great. It not fun looking for a disc for 20 min that was in a tree or in the dirt or leaves or GRASS all the time right next to you.
- Again at start Do NOT buy faster than 9 speed. He is right on this! You will not be able to throw them without the disc turning early and crashing uncontrollably. You need form, control and throw velocity to throw higher speed disc the way they are made to be thrown. Learn the lower discs.
- Play the first couple times with just your putter!! Yup seriously. Most Pro's will recommend that this will teach you control and form faster than using all the discs.
- If you are starting over throwing a disc and it is not damaged to change it's flight you do NOT NEED to give up on that disc. Just get a heavier weight like buying a +10 gram disc AND/OR the same disc in a different stronger plastic. You keep your control but move up your game!
This is an amazing write up! I wish I had this info before I bought a zillion different discs just for the sake of trying something new. Nothing wrong with it and I have a sweet collection now! But it can be overwhelming.
Thanks Matt, videos like this showing the different discs and plastics are always useful for beginners. Thanks.
Thanks Janet. I was playing with some new players on Sunday morning (just after I uploaded the video) and they were asking me all the same questions. So hopefully I've answered the right questions.
Another excellent comprehensive video. Thanks Matt, I look forward to these Sunday sessions.
Thanks Mat, very useful for the beginning disc golfer. I would also recommend sticking to one brand in the beginning as trying to learn all of the different plastics and mismatching flight numbers makes it very complicated. Made that mistake myself
A few things: innova's kit is also minimum weight (all are between 145-150g) but that doesn't make it for kids, just less hard to throw for beginners.
Most kits come with a driver that requires far too much arm-speed for a beginner - some are including 9-10 speed discs in their packs - and it took me all of 3 months of very frequent playing before I even had the arm speed for the Leopard from my starter kit. IMO, everyone could just start off with 1 disk, a quality 4|5|-2|1 like a Comet in a quality plastic. Later add something like a Leopard after a couple of months and a putter if you want to start getting fancy - although there are SOME 3-speed putters with wider rims (12, 13, even 14mm) that might also be a versatile choice as a first disc.
With regards to the Innova starter kit, for me personally, I found it easier to putt with the Shark, than with the Aviar, the extra glide helping with push-putts while learning (Aviar is way overrated).
Once the DX Shark is broken in, putting is all it's good for anyways. You can't do much else with it, because of light weight and 12mm rim limits it's uses compared to other speed4-5 discs.
DX plastic has been a huge disappointment! I'll never ever buy that again. I almost decided to never buy another Innova product again, because I'm so appalled at how bad DX is. Manufacturers aren't helping themselves there. There's $1 worth of plastic in a DX, $1.10 in a GStar, $1.20 in a Star... they could easily offer a better quality for the budget price-point and just scrap DX, giving customers a much better first-impression with the company, laying the cornerstone for a lifetime future customer. DX has left me completely unimpressed with innova, and although I still look at their discs while disc shopping, I'd look at far less other brands if my initial experience with them had been a better one. (yeah, dx is that bad, after 3 months of throwing it).
I wouldn't even cover anything over a speed6 in a beginner/intro video, as those are for year2 and beyond. It's far too soon to start worrying about those. I just got an FD, and it's fading wayyyy more than anticipated, but I'm still in year1 (6 months experience).
And btw, strength and speed are 2 very different things. In karate, I know a lot of guys who can beat the crap out of much more muscular fighters - the key is speed, not strength. Just look at how skinny some of the professionals are - and some throw 500+ feet.
Great video! Bought a starter set and on advice from you guys I have a couple more on the way. Can't wait to get them and get back out on the course. Got yourself a new subscriber :)
Another good video! This should really help beginners and probably others with a few months under their belt who got off a bit on the wrong foot.
I like how you added some important clarifications with on screen text too.
I didn't hear you mention the “hyzer flip” throw, but I'm sure it's going to come up in your future videos. For me, I probably wouldn't have thrown away (de-bagged) my Leopard and Valkyrie discs if I'd known about hyzer flip throws when I was building my bag.
Thanks Tim. Always difficult on knowing where to stop. I was trying to keep this video as concise as possible and it still turned out at over 20 minutes long! And then during editing I'm thinking I should have mentioned that or something else. Have plenty more ideas in the pipeline for beginners, so I'm sure I'll get to shot shapes and hyzer flipping at some point.
What I found overwhelming as a beginner is the range of names of the discs that give no indication as to what type of disc they are. Just building out my bag with prodigy discs. Letters and numbers makes things easier for me! Perhaps I spend too much time working with spreadsheets!!
Some might say Prodigy are a bit boring with their disc naming system but it sure makes it easy to understand what type of disc it is and how it will fly.