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You need a glass beaker to pour your gas in. Then pour in your test bottle. Also the big airline companies tell you they use clean fuel when it's actually a cheap grade of kerosene! They got the politicians in there back pocket and make us use non vented gas containers.
What I like about our Valero Station here in NEPA is the Non E. fuel is a separate hose and pump. I will only buy that for my tractors. I have my smaller2cyl equipment now going on 6 years that has been running fantastic on True Fuel. I also have a 4cyl leaf blower and I use the True Fuel 4cyl in that. Guess what it works. Stay away from the Crapsman leaf blowers... Anything 2cyl sold at LOWES stay away from the stuff its all specially made extra cheap just for them sweethearts.
@@thekingsilverado3266 why doyou need to blow leaves, why not rake them or pick them up in a lawnmower which will chop them up and then you deposit them on your compost.
@@hastuart9639 Y'all don't live in the Pocono Mountains now do ya Ese... You can't never comp leaves up here in that sense. The leaves here will choke even a zero turn... I have a 17.5hp Yard Man and 20hph Crapsman mowers and even a Deere with the Kawasaki 17hp... The leaves & pine cones drown em... The trees on my property are all well over 100 years old... The Northern Pines on my patch and neighbors property are well over 80ft tall. So do that math... We have pine cones bigger than hand grenades and if ya run over a few.... Well use your imagination OK... You ain't chompin that up with no mower.
As a fuel chemist and fuel quality professional for 40 years for several oil companies and with my retail and terminal experience I usually view these video's and just shake my head but you are spot on with your testing and knowledge of fuel dispensers. Yes indeed, there will be a small amount of whatever was previously pumped when a shared dispenser hose is used. And your testing using the phase separation characteristics of water/gasoline/ethanol blends is 100% accurate. Finally someone who is educating viewers correctly.
the gas sumps below the pump draw the gas back from the pump nozzle. i install these for quick trip and kum and go. i can speak for oklahoma pumps we good
Good job! I just drain the tanks on my gasoline powered tools.... Then run the carburetor empty... I saw your frustrations.... Welcome to the brave new world 😁
literally all gasoline and combustion engines have filtered fuel systems. this is NOT the big deal or issue shes making it to be. budget gas stations give you budget fuel and thats deserved. cheap consumers deserve cheap things
Thanks Bre.. for enlightening me about the shared gas hose problem! Also, I've never met a person that thought the "safety gas cans" were actually safer. They're typically difficult to operate and often spill fuel worse than the older cans.
it depends on the design. I've seen some valve controlled gas cans that are a vast improvement over the average "traditional" can. and I've seen ones, like the ones in the video, that take three hands to operate.
Some cans' "safety spouts" can be modified to still allow cutting off the flow without the awkward triggering required here. It depends on the spout design.
It's just dumb , they changed the spouts because someone removed the safety screen and blue them self up so big gov steps in and F,s everything up for the rest of us
I wish that were true. The sad fact is that in life it is the nice guys who finish last. As the saying goes, "Everybody loves honesty until they hear the truth."
This is a RED letter day for me! I went by Bre's "studio" and got to meet her personally. She autographed my Echo hat and I even got my picture taken with her. What a wonderful experience. Thank you Bre! Love the content.
I heard of this a few years back. When I fill my gas cans, I always pump 2 or 3 gallons into my truck first, then fill the cans, then top off the truck. That method always worked well for me.
Being an ex-manager for 2 convenience store chains, some people may not know to not get gas at any place where they are in the process of unloading a load of gas. As the gas pours into the underground tank it stirs up the water and sediment in the bottom of the tank. If you get gas at that time or immediately after, you may get some of that in your gas tank. If you go to get gas and a truck is unloading fuel at the time, go somewhere else.
What about the filters at the pump? How often do they need to be changed? I've been getting fuel for over 2 score and never had a problem, though I don't pay attention if a truck is unloading.
@@magnificenthonky the longer the better really. Like he said I see a truck unloading or parked at the station, I keep going. I suppose we could ask how often they fill up and when. I also don't gas up if there's been a heavy rain. Just over cautious I suppose.
The pump filter catches any potential materials. Your car fuel filter would catch the rest. I would say, any station that has slow pumps, has clogged filters.
I learned this the hard way from experience on my harley. Had to clean out fuel tank etc. full of sediment after getting fuel while truck was filling tanks.. I know around Washington the stations I use have separate hose.
The plastic gas cans now days are ridiculously expensive. As you have shown,they don’t work worth a CRAP!!! Thank you for all the time and effort you put into these videos. 👍
I drilled them out or otherwise removed all the guts from the fillers. Mine are all straight fillers now just like the old days. Except for the mandated prices of course.
I think that the new EPA gas cans are ridiculous, but mine work fine. If they keep gas fumes in the can, they should also keep water vapor out of your gas.
I also thought from the title that I was going to hear something else in the video but my experience with being a small engine mechanic when I was a young man (64 years old now) taught me the same thing about fuel pumps and the different quality of certain gas stations. You go girl!!
This video just made me fall in love with our QT even more, their ethanol free fuel has it's own hose and nozzle and isn't connected to the other gasolines.
The sheetz in Troutman, NC has 4 grades of E fuel and the 3 main unleaded on one pump. We create and pay these "handout jobs" to create a system that only works one way. Regulate the fuel and the system by strict calibration to make sure the government doesn't get screwed out of a drop of road tax. Then totally overlook the quality of the system that is pumping the fuel to protect the public.
I don't mean to be political about it. I got a little aggravated when they came by paving our road with 3/8" of asphalt last year. The potholes that were before were then mere 3/4" divots after their icing job. Didn't even bother to pack anything into the holes.
I an a service tech in alabama for fuel dispensers our state requires the non ethanol fuel come from a seperate line just fir the non ethanol you should contact your state weights and measures office and file a complaint on the station they should address the situation with the station to bring it into compliance
Thank you for your investigative work! I’ve held onto my “old fashioned” gas can for years because of those new cans. I actually retrofitted my youngest daughters gas can with a simple spout, and vent. They’re worried about fumes leaking into the atmosphere….ridiculous!! You spill more trying to get the dang gas out of the can! Thank you again for this video, a mechanic told me years ago that the Ethenol is very corrosive to parts on older equipment. 👍
The splash guard defeating the turkey baster is what bothered me the most. I wonder if it would also defeat a boat style primer bulb and hose? I also often just use a funnel and pour without the cap, and save the old stuff.
Ethanol is not only more corrosive but also burns hotter. Heat is a number one enemy of any mechanical device. I read in a college text book on automatic transmission repair, that if you can reduce the heat in an automatic transmission by only 10% you can double the life of the transmission. In any mechanical device try to keep heat at a minimum.
From someone who used to run a gas station, I can tell you that not only the hose on the pumps with a "single nozzle", but the manifold and filters can also hold quite a bit of fuel. When she says to pump a few gallons into your car first it's not to be taken lightly. Also, if your station(with a single nozzle) has only three ground fill ports but four grade options, then you know they're using a mix manifold and pulling from two tanks to get the selected grade. Because some mix manifolds are a little larger at some stations, you're gonna want to pump a little extra, extra into your car before filling your cans.
Not too mention the idiot delivery guys pumping fuel into the wrong tanks when they deliver. The gas in the tank may not even be what the station bought.
@@nunya3163 That hasn't been an issue for about 30 years or more. Each grade has its own unique port boot. In other words, mid grade hose doesn't fit on the premium fuel port, and so on.
Used to drive a fuel tanker and remember delivering to a couple of stations owned by one guy that would purposely order extra regular . Because it was cheaper than unleaded and then have you dump it in unlead tank.
Yeah I've changed plenty of filters, nozzles,hoses, and pull free couplings for a BP station, only 10%ethanol for all 3 octane numbers on a regular/premium mix pump with 1 filter for the 2 different tanks, and diesel/off-road diesel sold on a different pump set... separate hoses, nozzles (large nozzle off-road) and filters on the diesel pumps though. It definitely took atleast a gallon or more to clear the mixer/control and hose on the shared gas nozzle (atleast for these pumps) I never got my small engine fuel there 😆 Luckily there were 3 other stations nearby with dedicated hose ethanol free pumps, one station had single hose ethanol free pumps, but knowing what I did I stayed away from there so I didn't have to waste $1 more on 2 gallons of purge gas, while also hoping they filled the tanks correctly and kept the filters changed... 😉 Also I never would've believed so many people drive off with the pump handle still in their car 🤦♂️ and atleast half the people would toss the nozzle towards the pump and not even tell the clerk 🙄 Thank God for those break free easy attach quick connects! I would install those as customers broke the older single use versions. I only ever knew of one person driving completely away with a pump handle and hose from that BP, an elderly lady from out of state, I never saw that handle and hose returned so I can't tell you how that story ended 🤷♂️😳
I have heard stories from long before my time driving where the pumps used to allow you to drain the fuel from the hose after shutting them off, which would then force the next customer to pay to refill the hose before they had any fuel dispensed. I presume that was a remnant from the days of the even older "visible" gas pumps.
Here in Central Texas we're lucky to have QT stations that have 90 octane ethanol free on their own hose. As a full time WFH I don't drive much so that's what I use for both my car and truck. For the power equipment, I mix that 50/50 with VP110. The VP110 is from a power sports equipment store. I literally can let my gas weed eater and blower sit all winter and have no issues with starting them in the spring. Same with my dirt bikes. You pay a little (or a lot) more for the ethanol free but totally worth it to me because it won't gum up your carburetors. Thanks for your videos!
This is great stuff that actually explains why there may be problems with various pieces of equipment from the ethanol in fuel. Many thanks for this. .
That is the best advice I believe I have ever heard of. To keep from mixing fuels is a chore that we consumers should not have to fool with. Thanks for the info. Greatly appreciated.
As a mechanic who's worked in a number of fields, I've been aware of this for years. Just wanted to say you did a great job of explaining/exposing this. RVP and content is all over the place even without the cross contamination. And it's not just the hoses; there's filters and piping that's shared too, adding up to quite a bit of fuel. And, yeah, those gas cans piss me off too.
Yes! For ethanol-free fuel, I travel to the town next to mine which has a Chevron station with a dedicated ethanol-free pump. It isn't cheap but worth it for my generator when power goes out for days after a hurricane. I'm in Florida and I need that storage life. P.S. a small funnel is a life saver! 😉👍
We started seeing labels on gas pumps here (Pennsylvania) a while back that say something to the effect that you may get up to 2% ethanol in your fuel when you select ethanol free premium. I'm told some type of regulation made them do that on one-hose multi grade pumps. Our Valero stations now all seem to have dedicated hose for ethanol free premium. You are a good detective and a great mechanic!
I've always wondered about this. Thank you for the no BS information. From now on when I fill my 5 gal jug with non- ethanol, I'm gonna ask for 6 gals and put the first gallon in my truck. Thanks Brea! You rock!
Man, we really need to get Americans to fully adopt the SI units. It's fairly simple, 5 American gallons is roughly 18 Litres and 3/4 gallons is less than three litres. This is one of the things I hate about Sta-bil is, yes, it gives you rough approximations in Litres but the instructions are clearly written for Fluid Ounces and Gallons. So the instructions come out with 30 mL to 9.5 L when we should be writing a Metric equivalent so I can easily use the right amount of Stabil for my 20 L and 5 L Sceptre fuel cans.
You confirmed exactly what I have told others. I take 5 gallon containers to get ethanol free fuel for my mowers, chainsaws, generators,etc. I pump a little into my truck tank before I fill my 5 gallon containers.
I've been telling people for years that on a single hose mult-grade pump your getting what is left in the line and you can't be sure what tanks they are drawing from, but everyone is to trusting and say oh that can't be. Well guess what you just proved it, thank you.. Love your video's keep up the good work. Regards from AL's Small Engine 😁
I have been telling people that too for years. We who fill up with high octane get a gallon of shitty gas that we paid full price for and the person who fills up after me get a gallon roughly 4 litres of high octane for the price of cheap gas. In Canada it's in litres and we pay on average 2.00 dollars CAD per litre with all the taxes added to it. Carbon tax be damned. I now use a Greenworks™ battery operated chainsaw. Lol!
@@iffykidmn8170 I get around an hour of cutting with one charged battery and I have three. I use my off grid system to charge the batteries. Biggest issues are the costs of the batteries and the pollution that will be caused from disposing them even at a recycling place.
Great info, and something I had never thought about. Every non-ethanol pump I have access to has the one pump handle. Glad I watched this when I did because I’m about to go get non-ethanol for my new Stihl 261. Those fuel cans piss me off to the extreme. I have spilled more gas and diesel because of that garbage. I’ve worked for the federal government for almost 23 years so I’m painfully aware of how mind-numbingly stupid our government is.
Been using my Stihl 026 since 1993 and my Stihl MS250 since 2012. Also have two Stihl brushcutters and two Husqvarna saws, and an Echo even. I always get the 'ethanol free' and treat it and so far I don't think it's been a problem. Maybe by it going into a 5 gallon can and then with the treatment added, the ethanol is diluted enough not to cause any issues. However I WILL be looking for pumps with a handle ONLY for the non-ethanol gas - mainly because you're getting ripped off since you are paying more for it. I suppose I could just squirt a half gallon on the ground first, lol. Pretty sure the station owners might take offense!
I used to drive a gasoline truck and it sounds like you're talking about Unocal 76 gas stations, they have two grades of gas and mix a little of both to make mid grade
@@wilpenny4318 There is a local place in upstate NY called Stewarts, they sell premium E0 gas in all their locations. But I guess you should put some in your car first to be sure the gallon tank gets it! The landscapers always fill their cans with that gas.
You have no clue why big fuel company's doing this , Ethanol is not made voor Engines sorry....its crap , Belgium we have some gas station , with ethanol , but i avoid them much as possible , for my garden é😍quipent i use Aspen 4 stroke , and 2 strokes , you can keep it much longer than random gasoline , and it works pretty good , with one set of both i'm safe for a whole season !!
Good reason this former diesel truck mechanic has diesel for everything from my Coach to my JD595x garden tractor.. including my 3 jeeps. Smaller, to a dedicated ethanol free for my 17gal new Mercury Marine, after that, the 1gal for the chainsaw. BTW, it is illegal to put any ethanol in most certified aircraft as it contains less energy. We test by a measuring cylinder with your same testing process you show... GREAT video.
Thanks for sharing. Appreciate people who do their homework. I thought everybody knew this. Always fill your tank and then fill your gallon can that doesn't have one of those "safety caps" on it with a gallon so that the pump is clean of ethanol for use with your chain saw. I just use my nose too, I didn't realize their was a test kit.
I drive 20 miles out of town for my gas just because of this. The next town over has a designated pump for ethanol-free gas. it's worth the drive because my livelihood depends on my equipment. Your video is spot on, good job 🇺🇲
AFAICT, the reason to use ethanol free gas in lawn equipment is only because most people use it lightly once a week and so the gas tends to sit in the tank for a long time, and Ethanol gas turns to varnish faster. If you are using it every day and getting fresh gas every day or two or three, then what's the point of going ethanol free? I've had a brigs and straton mower engine for home use for 12 years now. It ran a little rough last week when I fired it up for the first time in 4 or 5 weeks, with gas I probably got 3 or 4 months ago ( the usual 10% ethanol sold everywhere in the state ), but next week when I get fresh gas it should run fine again. And I've never even changed the spark plug. I got a new one to change it next week since.. well, it should probably have a fresh one after 12 years.
Matt Bonner We are lucky here in our small town that we have a station that sells ONLY E0 gasoline. Nothing but raw gas. Expensive as hell, but free of alcohol. Use in all my small engines that are not run several times a week. Don't know for sure how much better it is than E, as I never did a scientific study, but I will continue using it........ ( they also sell kerosene by pump from large tank. Unusual.)
Just a thought if you ever do this again - pour the gas into an intermediary container like a measuring cup with a spout and then a funnel in the small bottle. I am prone to over engineer to prevent spills.
@@Chickanic If you are dumb, what am I? 🤣 Seriously, having the smart idea to even do this experiment is not negated because there was some opportunity to improve efficiency. Sorry not sorry but you don't get to say you are dumb just because I already did the same things and HATE dealing with spilled fuel. You are smart!!!!!
I was made aware of this problem many years ago after reading a motorcycle magazine story about this subject. That article was about buying premium fuel and getting regular fuel for the first .3 gallon or so when using the single hose pumps. They recommended always going to the pumps that had individual hoses for each octane grade. Unfortunately those seem to be hard to find these days.
That's what I used to do but you can't hardly find stations with individual pumps anymore.I like to use ethanol free gas every once in a while in my bike and always in my weed eater and chainsaw.
Us bikers have known about this problem for 20 years +. As for the mixing manifolds, anyone old enough to remember Sunoco had that setup as far back as I can remember You had a choice of 190, 200, 220, 240, 250,and 260 even had another choice but it wasn't available unless you had a friend at the station.
Pumps with individual hoses for each octane grade are pretty much standard at stations in Okla. 100% gasoline widely available, too. (if you're willing to pay the .40 to .50 cents per gallon extra).
Gotta say, I’ve watched quite a few of your videos now; the one that helped me the most was about diagnosing not reaching full throttle with my echo weed eater. On that note, I truly appreciate your dedication to your craft!
2 things I want to say about this video. #1 thank you for doing this! #2 I have a gas station in my town that only sells ethanol free gas but it is a bit more expensive and it is on the other side of town. But when I fill up there when I have less than an 1/8th of a tank I notice I get about 3-4 MPG better than the 10% ethanol gas. In a vehicle on a good day with a tail wind I get about 13mpg on the highway on the 10%, on the ethanol free gas I get 16-17mpg.
If I take my old Chevy pickup to any other station than my regular one I have to adjust my timing to keep it from spark knocking. Just a few degrees but the performance difference is noticeable, as well as the efficiency. ✌🔧🍩
Wow! Great video. Never realized that. I did know that there was a hose full of gas left after you shut the pump off that you could get out of the hose by squeezing the trigger on the old style nozzles. But, you can't do that with the new style nozzles since they won't operate after you shut the pump off. So, the gas stations are ripping you off that way too by not letting you get the gas that you paid for out of the hose. Thanks again for sharing your knnowledge. BTW, sorry to hear about you husband's hip and having to close shop for awhile. Look at it as a well deserved break. Hope you get back into it, you are a great mechanic. Also, congrats on the Husqvarna gig.
I bit the bullet a few years ago, trashed all my leaky plastic gas cans & bought spring-loaded cap steel cans with funnels. Yeah, 3x price of plastic. A 1 gal for my oil mixes for chain saws etc, a 2-gal for gas my petite wife can handle, ( she do loves the zero turn mower) & two 5-gals, one for tractor diesel, one for gas. Will start pumping 2 gals in my truck before I fill my cans with ethanol free. Love the metal cans. Safer too. Labeled each can with paint stick. Bought Dad & brothers these for birthday gifts.
...great video Bre....one of your best....very informative...I recently purchased "ethanol free" from a trusted station (5 gallons) that had a dedicated hose, but it tested 10% when I got home. I took my test kit with me back to the station and showed the manager. Long story short, the delivery man put 87 octane 10% ethanol in the WRONG tank!.....ALWAYS test your "ethanol free" fuel.... 🙂
Most of the kits for that that I have seen are more expensive than the damn can itself. Go to you local salvage yard and rummage thru the trunks of the junk cars. You'd be surprised how many "old school" gas cans you will find.
I read an article about "making" your own ethanol-free gas by putting "some" water in a carboy (5-gallon glass jug), add your gasoline... shake... let stand for quite a while and, after it separates, siphon off your ethanol-free fuel above the separation line.
I wouldn't recommend this. Modern gasoline contains a variety of additives that serve important purposes. These include detergents that keep your engine clean, anti-corrosion inhibitors to protect your fuel system, seal preservatives to prevent fuel leaks, and lubricants to reduce friction. Siphoning off the top layer of gasoline after mixing with water may remove some of these additives along with the ethanol (depending on the additives' affinity for alcohol and water). Also, as others have pointed out, removing the ethanol decreases the octane rating. This method of getting ethanol-free gas has the potential to cause as much harm as good.
You are exactly correct on this one. I have the luxury of having a marina that sells nothing but straight gas & I have had it tested using your method in a jelly jar. My equipment runs great now.
Just what I needed...another reason to hate the gas station. I've adopted a new way of thinking...if I'm buying something, I just automatically assume I'm being conned. Nothing like buying inferior products at inflated prices. Quality content, much appreciated!
Thank you for taking the time and expense etc for doing these tests. It is something we ordinarily don’t think too much about but then may have a small, but negative, impact on our lives.
I was a "Heavy Mechanic" all my life. Small engines drove me nuts. But I did learn something from a customer years ago. We were talking about how hard some small engines can be to start and even keep running. I used his advise for decades without any problems, even after sitting all winter. Always USE Super Unleaded (in gas engines of course) and gap the plug to .036. It works for any small engine. I have all sorts of small engines from mower, snow blower, weed eater, edger, trimmers, etc. NOTHING takes more than 2 pulls to start.
I used to have a small engine repair business. I was curious at one time why Weed eaters fail so soon and become so hard to start after about a year of use. One day I decided to take apart about a dozen of them customers let me keep to investigate what their problem is. My findings were that many of them had the rings fuse- welded into the piston. Once that happens, they lose compression and things like new spark plugs, adjustment of the carburetor, changing the fuel, rebuilding the carburetor, cleaning the exhaust screen all become a complete waste of time. After that I decided to never work on them again because they are complete junk. I told customers to just buy a battery operated one. The solution would be to make the engine and piston out of cast iron instead of aluminum and to improve the cooling system. They will never do that because they would last too long and screw up their planned obsolescence scheme.
When I bought mt Stihl weedeater, the shop recommended buying Stihls 6 pack full synthetic 2 cycle oil. Each one treated 1 gallon of gas. 1st I thought he's just trying to add to the sale. But when he told me if purchased with the tool, Sthil would double the warranty period to 2 years. I now use synthetic oils in all my power tools. 2 or 4 stroke
@@normtheteacher5485 I use synthetic 2-stroke oils, and never run the lean oil ratios they recommend these days. Even in my big outboards I always ran 40:1, and in small engines 25:1. Contrary to popular belief the extra oil does NOT cause more carbon, it actually prevents carbon from accumulating in the combustion chamber and ring grooves. It's also better for the cylinder walls and bearings. You do sometimes have to richen the mixture screws a bit to offset the extra oil. I've never had a carbon problem using this method. 😎
When I’ve been filling my gas cans, I was filling them first and then topping off my car. In the future, I will fill the car first and then the small tanks. Thanks for the video and the great real-world tests. As a former fire and explosion investigator, I do have one suggestion. Always place plastic gas cans on the ground and touch the nozzle to the can when filling with gas to avoid the buildup of static charge and potential ignition by static spark.
I can't say I have a reason for it, but I have always filled my car first, then the can. Then again, I also usually pour whatever is left in the can into the car after it has sat there for a week or two and go refill it with fresh gas, after topping off the car first. I guess that's just to keep the gas from going stale.
@@rodrogers6895 yes, it's a lot like what happens when you rub a balloon against your hair, a carpet, or something similar. When non-conductive fluids like gasoline flow, they transfer static charge to the container. If that charge can't dissipate to ground, it builds up and can eventually spark back to the grounded fuel nozzle and cause ignition. To reduce this risk, some plastic gas cans have filler materials (like carbon black) added to make them slightly conductive so they more easily transfer the electrical charge to the ground and are less likely to spark back to the fuel nozzle. But they still have to be setting on a grounded surface. People also cause ignition by getting in their car while filling their tank. When getting back out of the car they slide off a cloth seat and build up static electricity on their body. If they don't discharge the static by touching something metal like the car body or the gas pump, a spark can jump from the their finger to the filler nozzle when they grab it. That spark can ignite the fumes coming out of the gas tank. Search "Gas Station Static Electricity Fire" on TH-cam for a video of this happening. Probably more info than you wanted, but burns suck, so it's worth sharing.
@Pickle Where did this discussion of static come from? The topic was buying one grade of fuel and getting at least a good chunk of another because that is what was left in the hose from the last purchase.
Here in Wisconsin, a company called Kwik Trip based in LaCrosse Wisconsin is dominating the state by building many convenience/gas stations. They are HIGHLY customer responsive. I called the company when I saw a new station being built and I asked if they would install individual hoses for each grade. Not only did they install individual hoses at that station, every new station I see they have at least 2 pumps with individual hoses. They also sell Top Tier gasoline.
@@bigzen69 Not a dumb question and thought I'd answer since it's been 2 weeks and no one replied. I don't know the answer except to say it sounds like a brand name rather than a description of high quality gasoline (which it may also be).
Ok - Quick trip trying not to be a rip off ! Most interesting information I’ve heard in a while ! Thanks for your time and effort - Good Job . Appreciate this -
I’m in the Idaho panhandle, and we have one station that I pump all my carbureted engine gas at because it has separate pumps for the off road diesel and the non ethanol gas, each on their own wand.
Thanks for solving the mystery. When I cut the grass when I was a teenager in the 70s , I remember lawn mowers working for years, no problem. And you have made me nostalgic for my father’s old, all metal gas that had a screw on lid on the end of the spout and screw on metal lid in the top with the old wooden handle. It just freaking worked. The last two mowers that I bought only lasted one season.
I am still using a Shindaiwa T25 I bought in 1992 new. only NE for over 30 years. dealer told me he wished they still made them that way. Newer machines are made to emit less pollution which is one reason they do not last it seems. Thank the no backbone by our legislators who have let the EPA run over us for years.
I am using a 1999 John Deere Sabre 54" I paid $200 plus a battery 3 years ago. I cut around 2 acres. I am using NE in it. It sat since 2013 before I bought it.
Thanks for your channel. There's a gas station near here that has one of the selections as e0. However, they were straight-forward enough to have a sign on the pump that if you are pumping the E0 (their pumps have a single hose for all grades), the first bit of fuel that comes from the hose will have gas from last customer and might not be the ethanol-free. With their caution in mind, any time I'm getting a few gallons of E0, I do pump the first gallon into my car's tank. Then I proceed to put the E0 into my fuel can. I didn't know about the ethanol content checker from Amazon. Going to order one. Just wanted to say that your videos (just learned of them today, and have watched only 2 of them), are straight to the point and don't have any BS in them (I'm not a tomato plant so I don't need the BS from some of the other folks). Thank you much for good info, straight to the point. Cheers.
Thanks for the test - it's very informative. As an additional note, for those who want to, the so-called 'flame arrester' inside the can can be yanked out by the roots using needle nose pliars and/or a utility knife. The govvernmint won't stop making gas cans 'safe' until the user can't pour any gas anytime, anyhow, and anyway. You'll just get to look at the gas can with it's $5.50/gal "ethanol free" gas...
Thanks so very much for your videos. I'm retired and we heat our home during the winter with firewood. Old 50 cc class saws are primarily what is available in our area. I'm trying to learn enough to attempt some simple ways to improve the performance of a saw such an 026 without having special tools. A base gasket delete, minor exhaust work, and possibly a muffler mod would most likely be my target starting point. Thanks again Tinman!
I feel your pain about the gas can. I had to use pliers to 'destroy' the safety features on my can. I literally couldn't get anything out the way it was designed.
They are a giant pain in the (g)ass, literally...I try to do my part, i recycle, i try to avoid driving whenever possible, etc. Here we are.....people starving.....and we're growing corn to fuel our vehicles. WTF?
@@franklinhankel6168 Seconding your WTF. 25 years ago-pre Internet-NPR's All Things Considered had a segment on how ethanol was the panacea to global warming. I wrote a letter (what are those, right?) which was read on the air pointing out that using high-quality agricultural land to produce fuel instead of food was just wrong (I think I used stronger words than that). I lived in Hawaii at the time and some true believer from Massachusetts went down to his local library, dug up a Honolulu phone book to get my phone number, and timed it so that he could interrupt my dinner and tell me how evil I was to consider people ahead the environment. They are a cult.
Two things I always look for at garage sales. Old gas cans and old battery chargers. The ne w battery chargers have microprocessors in them that won't allow them to turn on if a battery is too dead. Major pain in the butt. I loved this video and learned something new. Thank you very much.
Hi Bre you can always pour some gas into an easier to use small container such as a measuring type of cup or even a glass jar to make pouring gas easier for video’s like this. Then there is no struggling with the gas can and no spillage.
Yeah I found myself yelling at the TV - "would you just put some in a measuring cup to pour it into the test bottle!". Even using my old-school vented gas can without the gov mandated garbage spout I'd have done it that way.
New sub (about a week) and I've known and fixed lots of my own equipment but I've still learned a lot from you. However, I've suspected a long time we were getting ripped off at the pump for the reasons you presented. THANK YOU for confirming my suspicions. You've have a life long fan here and I must say your husband is a very smart man......he knows quality when he sees it ( you ! ).
Spot on. Especially nasty if you're getting that E85. One more fuel buying tip: Always avoid the station if you see the tanker there pumping or just leaving. Filling those tanks riles up any crap that might be in the tank (and don't believe there isn't any) and you'll be pumping that trashy stuff into your cans or tanks. I once had an auto fuel filter completely gummed up by doing this. Learned my lesson...
@notexpatjoe I understand that. However, I once managed to get a fill so bad it plugged the filter on the vehicle so badly I barely made it home. Had barely 20K on the od. I thought something terrible was going on the way the truck was buckin' and humpin'. Nope Just a plugged fuel filter. So the assumptions that filters are always in good condition or even present are contingent on getting usable fuel. Otherwise, you may be walking or calling.
Long hose fuel mixing was my complaint back in the 1970s. When I brought that up to the stations manager he said, [near quote] We can't do anything about it with the pumps we have. You'll have to go elsewhere where they have separate tanks to separate hoses."[/nq] __ The No-ethanol fuel is cheaper to manufacture than any other gasoline but we're forced to pay the highest price? ANOTHER Class Action suit is needed. 🤨
You're joking, right? Fuel costs the same to manufacture, no matter what. Ethanol is simply added to the other kinds of fuel, thus using less fuel and ethanol is exponentially cheaper than gasoline.
So you think ethanol mfg. is free? Only dumb Libs say that. Total the whole cost$ & maybe you'll understand. Besides, my main point was intermixing of fuels in a single pump hose.
We have very few ethanol free fuel pumps here in New Hampshire. I used to have to go to an airport and pay almost $5 a gallon. Now we have one station that is about 40 miles away. There are others up north by the White Mountains because of all the 4-wheelers but I sure wish there were more stations closer. That is all I use in my small engines. I also mix my own saw gas. No over-priced canned fuel for me. Thanks for another informative video. Good job!
@@davido856 Thank you. There's a Sunoco in Concord that has kerosene. Maybe they would be open to putting in an ethanol free pump. Thanks. The station I go to is up in Sunapee. And we have friends in the West Palm area and you're right, it's everywhere down there.
@@NHHalKnowsHow our Sunoco wholesaler is Sandri out of Greenfield Massachusetts. Kerosene is a scare as hens teeth. Most retailers in Keene have changed over to off road diesel that can be used for heating oil without paying the road taxes.
The station I go to sells "recreational gasoline" 92 octane, no ethanol. I have thought of the hose containing other grades, but when I went to get fuel, noticed that the recreational fuel has its own hose! Good! I have never had a problem, even from one year to the next. I now buy it for all my small engines...Love your channel!
If it is a single pump you should be fine, if the pump has multi grade the pump has a distribution block and a single pump pumping all the blends so you would still get what remains in the pump and distribution block. single hose is better than multi grade but still not perfect.
The hoses may only hold 1 to 2ounces of fuel. The pumps are designed so any fuel left in the hose is siphoned back into the storage tank once the pump is shut off. You can verify that by laying the nozzle on the ground and pulling the handle after shutting off the pump.
Good video, spot on. I always put a couple gallons in my truck before filling the cans. i was an ASE Master Tech for 30 years and remember when we first started having to test for alcohol in the fuel.
Spot on. This is why I always pump a few gallons of fuel into my _car_ first before filling up my gas can. But it doesn't really matter because I remove the ethanol from the fuel _anyway_ before I use it. (It's _really_ easy to do!) 🙂
@@lisat9707 You're not the first person who wanted to know how to do that! I wrote a brief procedure outlining how it was done, but it got promptly removed, and I'm not willing to go through all the trouble again if it's just going to be deleted for whatever reason. Just do a search right here on TH-cam and you'll find more that you'll ever need!
@@lisat9707Get a 5 or 6 gallon carboy jug (I need to get a six so I can run 5 gal at a time with the 20% ratio). Put about a gallon of water in the jug. I add a little red food coloring to make it real easy to see. Fill the rest with pump gas. Shake it all up. You can watch it separate before your eyes. Mark the jug with a sharpie if you want to see just how much ethanol settles out. Siphon the pure stuff off the top. All my carburetor troubles seem to have magically gone away since I started running this, machines run cooler and smoother. Very easy starts. For reference I own 16 small engines I run this stuff in. It’s wonderful and so worth the few minutes of effort.
I have worked in the petroleum business for the past 20 years on the bulk storage side. You are 100% percent correct. There is an amount downgraded at the nozzle when choosing higher grades. This amount isn’t as noticeable with higher amounts when filling a vehicle. But when getting one gallon it is very noticeable. We have the same sort of blending systems on a larger scale to fill the tanker trucks delivering fuel to stations. Please, next time fill your plastic gas can on the ground. Static builds up quickly in plastic gas cans when filling. It being in contact with the concrete will dissipate.
WOW! How did I not realize this was happening? I use 5 gal cans and have never had an issue, but I can definitely see how others could. And btw, I bought after-market spouts for all of my cans and they work great.
At last check you could get after-market gas can spouts at Tractor Supply Co or Amazon. Just checked again, and yes, both still have the replacement spouts. Around $15 in most cases.
I was happy to see another episode of Chickanic! Living in Commie California is painful in many ways. When the EPA was first created, they actually helped clean our soil, air and water. Now, all they do is make life more difficult and more expensive, by creating torture devices like that "no-spill" fuel dispenser nozzle. Thankfully, there are a few you-tubers who create videos showing to improve on, or replace such ridiculous devices. I really appreciate your videos! (Retired gasoline tanker driver in CA)
In the past 3 years I've caught the Gate Station on 3rd Street Jacksonville Beach , selling ethanol blended fuel as non ethanol . This is a dedicated non ethanol pump and hose. The last time I told them next time, a call to the Florida Department of Agriculture (they don't play)
Hi Bre, I saw a video where they used the same technique to make E10 into ethanol free by using a 5 gallon container with a bottom tap. Sufficient water was poured in to capture the ethanol and it was agitated and left for several hours. Then the tap was opened to drain off the bottom mixture and a little gasoline. The rest of the container was now ethanol free. You and your family stay safe.
Don't forget that doing this ( removing the ethanol) decreases your octane by a significant amount. You may need to add non ethanol octane booster to run the stripped out fuel succsessfuly.
@@Ronstar911 Very true. The ethanol is a very cheap octane booster, so the oil companies will skimp on using normal compounds to restore octane. You could well destroy your motor from detonation by doing this.
@@Ronstar911. True and Important. Too low octane will cause predetonation, which will ruin an engine. Far better to find a station selling the gas you need.
Thanks, i thought the same thing about getting premium fuel for my motorcycle. The tank isn't that many gallons, so if you are only preemptively topping off, *you could be getting closer to 89 instead of 92,* which i wondered if anyone has had knock/blown an engine over. Which also means it's to your advantage to top off less and let the tank get lower.
EFI completely eliminates this problem. The only thing you may notice is poorer gas mileage. Hopefully, anyone who is running a carbureted motorcycle has not leaned the jetting for performance without being able to recognize the signs of lean running. Anyone with a carbureted motorcycle that has NOT leaned the high speed mixture for performance has nothing to worry about.
Most efi bikes are just fine with 87/89, says so in your manual. The problem is the 10/15/85% ethanol sucking up moisture into suspension. I usually look for 91 no corn with a dedicated hose, simply because I got a load of water in my tank which made it stumble till I got it home and disassembled it. I found water to the top of the in tank filter pump, I found water in the p-trap shaped fuel hose, I reverse flushed the injectors and got a few drops out of there. About a quart of water is all it took to ruin an out of state ride. I apply this knowledge to small engines too.
Interesting information. I also live in a small town with only 3 gas stations. I noticed the two that I normally go to recently replaced their pumps with pumps that have a completely separate hose for what they label 100% gasoline. Sounds like it’s a good thing.
Have never seen a true ethanol-free gasoline, since the ethanol is used as a replacement for the now-banned additive that replaced tetraethyl lead as an octane booster. Without a booster, fuel is around 60 octane.
@@michaelnorth5215 Have two Murphy stations in my area(15 and 20 miles from me) now one has 87 octane non ethanol and the other has 90 Octane non ethanol!
@@michaelnorth5215 Murphy stations are usually at Walmarts, the refiners process the naptha more to get the higher octane. The Ethanol free gas is the 93 or 95 octane gas before they put the ethanol in. So it is 87 to 90 octane before they add Ethanol.
Thank you for illustrating this. Back in the mid '80s my Dad took up small engine repair and would attend small engine seminars. One seminar was on the subject of the varying percentages of ethanol in the fuel from local gas stations in the town he was doing the seminar. His tests he illustrated for the attendees had anywhere from 0 to 30% ethanol. As most knew the quality of the fuel greatly affected the tuning and performance of small engines, thus explaining some of the woes people were having. When my Dad performed his own tests, he found a couple of stations consistently had huge variations in the amount of ethanol. He did the same as you, passing on recommendations to his customers. One of the owners came to his shop and threatened him. He smiled at him and welcomed him to go ahead. It would be the perfect outlet for dealing with the pent-up frustrations that some customers instilled that beating the hell out of someone would be good therapy. Poor Dad had to deal with his frustrations another way, the guy couldn't get back in his truck fast enough.
lol in the 80's only place u could get corn fuel was at a co/op store, / feed store lol, no regular gas stations sold that garbage , and it was gone in a year becuz it was twice the cost as regular fuel and got worse mileage, sounds like bullshit
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I absolutely without fail only use Ethanol-free fuel on a dedicated pump from two locations in my county of Florida. Both locations are dedicated pumps having dedicated tanks for EF. I will endeavor to check one day to verify I get what I am paying for. Never knew to do this before so thanks Chickanic, you are a new favorite YT channel for me now.....🤩😍🥰
Thanks for this experimentation! I have been telling my customers the same thing (that I was smelling ethanol in their fuel) as well as wondering if those one nozzle pumps held previously pumped fuel in them. You solved my suspicion with this video!
@J J lol...I guess I should have said that the ethonal free gasoline has a much stronger gasoline smell than gasoline diluted with 10% or more ethanol. I guess it would be similar to people who can tell that gasoline has water in it by the smell....lol.
I am the owner of Small Engine King, and have just started my own You Tube channel. I just wanted to say thank you for all the videos. They are very helpful when it comes to explaining everything in general. This helps me explain things to my customers as well.
Hello Chickanic, I for one appreciate your channel and how dedicated you are to protect, advise and make aware the general public of techniques to trickery...thank you from Lockport, NY
So, I was aware of the benefit of separate hoses for things like diesel and ethanol-free that share a pump with other grades, but not the degree of the problem. Thanks for demonstrating this in such a clear way.
Nice. I have been using seafoam or stabil with my unleaded 89 octane for my snowblower, EXMARK and three echo products for years and have 0 problems. My Stihl chainsaw is over 20 years old and sits a lot and an echo handheld blower over 20 years old too they all run great. Love your channel
Great video (as usual) Bre. I wasn't aware of the simple ethanol test, but I'll start using one just because my curiosity loves to complicate life! Since the introduction of the moonshine blends, I've always put the first gallon of in my vehicles to clear the hose before filling up my 1 and 2 gallon cans for 2cyl. I had NO idea how much this was helping though. I appreciate the education.
Nice !!! I use olive jars for this. Fortunately, our local ethanol free pumps have a separate hose for the good stuff. They're near the airport, and pilots who get fuel for their 2 stroke equipped planes test the fuel for ethanol every fill up. You can tell because their olive jars are out next to the jugs they fill.
The Circle K near me has a individual hose for the Non Ethanol fuel. The gas nozzle has blue rubber on it, whereas the Diesel has Green Rubber and the other e85 e87 and e93 fuels have a black nozzle. So I get pure non ethanol each time I pump from the non ethanol hose. They have a tank for each one.
Started having trouble with the carb on my small outboard a few years ago. Eventually had to replace it. Looking back, I was filling my little 3 gallon tank at a pump that sold multiple fuel types back then. Good to know! Thanks!
I am so glad to see someone else struggle with the new gas cans. I had thought about the big push button ones but the kids in the shop say the ones are easier. But yes for them to be no spillable, now i spill it everywhere.
I use one called Easy Can, kinda pricey in my opinion but it actually works and it is easy to use filling straight into weed eater. Walmart online 2.5 gallon for around 27 bucks👍
Thank you Bre for the information, I will definitely be more careful about fuel purchases in the future. I replaced all the spouts on my fuel cans with the old school type just to make life easier
Videos are always informative and straightforward. With regard to “safety” nozzles… I’ve converted all my gas can nozzles, I.e., removed all the springs, valves, and innards and made the nozzle work like a nozzle should. I’ve also installed a metal shrader (tire-type) valve (minus the inner core) for the vent and screw a cap on. The government feels they have the obligation to mitigate every last bit of risk in the world and protect us from stupid!
And that's why I buy my ethanol-free gas at the local Walmart, where it is 91 octane and has its own dedicated pump attached to a dedicated blue nozzle. On the odd occasion that I must get it somewhere else, I always spray the first gallon or so in the truck. Ethanol will absolutely wreak havoc on your small engines.
Same here. The local Wally World gas station has a dedicated hose for the ethanol free gasoline which is what I use in my 2022 Power Wagon and Stihl chain saw. I've noticed an increase in power and mileage which partially helps to offset the increase in cost. I now get about 440 miles per tank of gas, up from 400.
@@derekheuring2984 WOW! That is nice to know. On the same note, a dear friend of mine is a life-long, authorized mechanic for four popular makers of Japanese motorcycles, and he tells me that certain of these manufacturers warrant their bikes for one year less when they ship them to America, simply because of the problems that are certain to arise because of the crappy fuel we put in them. 👇
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You need a glass beaker to pour your gas in. Then pour in your test bottle. Also the big airline companies tell you they use clean fuel when it's actually a cheap grade of kerosene! They got the politicians in there back pocket and make us use non vented gas containers.
What I like about our Valero Station here in NEPA is the Non E. fuel is a separate hose and pump. I will only buy that for my tractors. I have my smaller2cyl equipment now going on 6 years that has been running fantastic on True Fuel. I also have a 4cyl leaf blower and I use the True Fuel 4cyl in that. Guess what it works. Stay away from the Crapsman leaf blowers... Anything 2cyl sold at LOWES stay away from the stuff its all specially made extra cheap just for them sweethearts.
@@thekingsilverado3266 why doyou need to blow leaves, why not rake them or pick them up in a lawnmower which will chop them up and then you deposit them on your compost.
@@hastuart9639 Y'all don't live in the Pocono Mountains now do ya Ese... You can't never comp leaves up here in that sense. The leaves here will choke even a zero turn... I have a 17.5hp Yard Man and 20hph Crapsman mowers and even a Deere with the Kawasaki 17hp... The leaves & pine cones drown em... The trees on my property are all well over 100 years old... The Northern Pines on my patch and neighbors property are well over 80ft tall. So do that math... We have pine cones bigger than hand grenades and if ya run over a few.... Well use your imagination OK... You ain't chompin that up with no mower.
intersting because racetrack has 3 pump handles blue for Ethanol free , green for D. and the ethanol laced gas with another pump . so I shoal be good
As a fuel chemist and fuel quality professional for 40 years for several oil companies and with my retail and terminal experience I usually view these video's and just shake my head but you are spot on with your testing and knowledge of fuel dispensers. Yes indeed, there will be a small amount of whatever was previously pumped when a shared dispenser hose is used. And your testing using the phase separation characteristics of water/gasoline/ethanol blends is 100% accurate. Finally someone who is educating viewers correctly.
I slept at a Holiday Inn last night and I agree.
Casey’s has a dedicated hose for ethanol free. If your station does not, pump 4 gallons into your car first.
I always pump into my car before I pump into the gas can
.....and good looking too!
the gas sumps below the pump draw the gas back from the pump nozzle. i install these for quick trip and kum and go. i can speak for oklahoma pumps we good
Good job! I just drain the tanks on my gasoline powered tools.... Then run the carburetor empty... I saw your frustrations.... Welcome to the brave new world 😁
literally all gasoline and combustion engines have filtered fuel systems. this is NOT the big deal or issue shes making it to be. budget gas stations give you budget fuel and thats deserved. cheap consumers deserve cheap things
Thanks Bre.. for enlightening me about the shared gas hose problem! Also, I've never met a person that thought the "safety gas cans" were actually safer. They're typically difficult to operate and often spill fuel worse than the older cans.
it depends on the design. I've seen some valve controlled gas cans that are a vast improvement over the average "traditional" can. and I've seen ones, like the ones in the video, that take three hands to operate.
Some cans' "safety spouts" can be modified to still allow cutting off the flow without the awkward triggering required here. It depends on the spout design.
Honestly, I haven't had any issues with the safety cans available where I am.
It's just dumb , they changed the spouts because someone removed the safety screen and blue them self up so big gov steps in and F,s everything up for the rest of us
@@lindachaffins4504 That's not why they were changed. It's due to CA air quality rules.
I admire you wanting to fix and help instead of take advantage. I am sure your business is prospering because of your honesty and ethics.
I wish that were true. The sad fact is that in life it is the nice guys who finish last. As the saying goes, "Everybody loves honesty until they hear the truth."
she wants the advertising for her shop. no shit she makes videos.
This is a RED letter day for me! I went by Bre's "studio" and got to meet her personally. She autographed my Echo hat and I even got my picture taken with her. What a wonderful experience. Thank you Bre! Love the content.
Thanks for stopping in darlin'!
You play sink the sausage with her ?
I love the "spill-proof" nozzles, which NOBODY can operate without SPILLING!
If I stop at a yard sale, I always look first, for two things: Gas cans with the old nozzle, and American made Vice Grips.
@@DGill48 NATO cans are the only way to rock!
@@uknowimright6269 Great idea! Never thought to look there
Funnel?
I use a siphon. Take the nozzle of put the squeeze siphon in rarely make a mess if you are paying attention.
I heard of this a few years back. When I fill my gas cans, I always pump 2 or 3 gallons into my truck first, then fill the cans, then top off the truck. That method always worked well for me.
Exactly the response I was going to share :)
@@rick391 👍
Ditto.
Smart technique.
Unless like me, you drive a diesel truck! 😂
This woman is the real deal. Highly intelligent and communicates well. Good job. Love your videos.
Being an ex-manager for 2 convenience store chains, some people may not know to not get gas at any place where they are in the process of unloading a load of gas. As the gas pours into the underground tank it stirs up the water and sediment in the bottom of the tank. If you get gas at that time or immediately after, you may get some of that in your gas tank. If you go to get gas and a truck is unloading fuel at the time, go somewhere else.
Hadn't thought of that, before. How long should you wait, before the crap settles back to the bottom?
What about the filters at the pump? How often do they need to be changed? I've been getting fuel for over 2 score and never had a problem, though I don't pay attention if a truck is unloading.
@@magnificenthonky the longer the better really. Like he said I see a truck unloading or parked at the station, I keep going. I suppose we could ask how often they fill up and when. I also don't gas up if there's been a heavy rain. Just over cautious I suppose.
The pump filter catches any potential materials. Your car fuel filter would catch the rest. I would say, any station that has slow pumps, has clogged filters.
I learned this the hard way from experience on my harley. Had to clean out fuel tank etc. full of sediment after getting fuel while truck was filling tanks.. I know around Washington the stations I use have separate hose.
HOLY COW! This matters a lot to me because I only want ethanol free in everything I own!!!
THANK YOU for having this video!!!!
The plastic gas cans now days are ridiculously expensive. As you have shown,they don’t work worth a CRAP!!! Thank you for all the time and effort you put into these videos. 👍
I drilled them out or otherwise removed all the guts from the fillers. Mine are all straight fillers now just like the old days. Except for the mandated prices of course.
Find a plastic jug of the required size, rinse well.
Paint it red.
Go find your plastic funnel.
Done.
nowadays
I use the VP gas jugs they work awesome.
I think that the new EPA gas cans are ridiculous, but mine work fine. If they keep gas fumes in the can, they should also keep water vapor out of your gas.
I also thought from the title that I was going to hear something else in the video but my experience with being a small engine mechanic when I was a young man (64 years old now) taught me the same thing about fuel pumps and the different quality of certain gas stations. You go girl!!
This video just made me fall in love with our QT even more, their ethanol free fuel has it's own hose and nozzle and isn't connected to the other gasolines.
The sheetz in Troutman, NC has 4 grades of E fuel and the 3 main unleaded on one pump. We create and pay these "handout jobs" to create a system that only works one way. Regulate the fuel and the system by strict calibration to make sure the government doesn't get screwed out of a drop of road tax. Then totally overlook the quality of the system that is pumping the fuel to protect the public.
I don't mean to be political about it. I got a little aggravated when they came by paving our road with 3/8" of asphalt last year.
The potholes that were before were then mere 3/4" divots after their icing job. Didn't even bother to pack anything into the holes.
I an a service tech in alabama for fuel dispensers our state requires the non ethanol fuel come from a seperate line just fir the non ethanol you should contact your state weights and measures office and file a complaint on the station they should address the situation with the station to bring it into compliance
must live in Iowa this is only in Iowa I hauled fuel
@@jVop-oo7oc Texas
Thank you for your investigative work! I’ve held onto my “old fashioned” gas can for years because of those new cans. I actually retrofitted my youngest daughters gas can with a simple spout, and vent. They’re worried about fumes leaking into the atmosphere….ridiculous!! You spill more trying to get the dang gas out of the can! Thank you again for this video, a mechanic told me years ago that the Ethenol is very corrosive to parts on older equipment. 👍
The splash guard defeating the turkey baster is what bothered me the most. I wonder if it would also defeat a boat style primer bulb and hose? I also often just use a funnel and pour without the cap, and save the old stuff.
The ethanol is bad for aluminum parts as well as some rubber/plastic materials.
@@alan6832 I use a funnel when filling my JD rider mower. I do not use the spout at all - just pour right out of the gas can.
Ethanol is not only more corrosive but also burns hotter. Heat is a number one enemy of any mechanical device. I read in a college text book on automatic transmission repair, that if you can reduce the heat in an automatic transmission by only 10% you can double the life of the transmission. In any mechanical device try to keep heat at a minimum.
“I’m here from the government and here to help”. Yeah sure!
From someone who used to run a gas station, I can tell you that not only the hose on the pumps with a "single nozzle", but the manifold and filters can also hold quite a bit of fuel. When she says to pump a few gallons into your car first it's not to be taken lightly. Also, if your station(with a single nozzle) has only three ground fill ports but four grade options, then you know they're using a mix manifold and pulling from two tanks to get the selected grade. Because some mix manifolds are a little larger at some stations, you're gonna want to pump a little extra, extra into your car before filling your cans.
Not too mention the idiot delivery guys pumping fuel into the wrong tanks when they deliver. The gas in the tank may not even be what the station bought.
@@nunya3163 That hasn't been an issue for about 30 years or more. Each grade has its own unique port boot. In other words, mid grade hose doesn't fit on the premium fuel port, and so on.
Used to drive a fuel tanker and remember delivering to a couple of stations owned by one guy that would purposely order extra regular . Because it was cheaper than unleaded and then have you dump it in unlead tank.
Yeah I've changed plenty of filters, nozzles,hoses, and pull free couplings for a BP station, only 10%ethanol for all 3 octane numbers on a regular/premium mix pump with 1 filter for the 2 different tanks, and diesel/off-road diesel sold on a different pump set... separate hoses, nozzles (large nozzle off-road) and filters on the diesel pumps though. It definitely took atleast a gallon or more to clear the mixer/control and hose on the shared gas nozzle (atleast for these pumps) I never got my small engine fuel there 😆 Luckily there were 3 other stations nearby with dedicated hose ethanol free pumps, one station had single hose ethanol free pumps, but knowing what I did I stayed away from there so I didn't have to waste $1 more on 2 gallons of purge gas, while also hoping they filled the tanks correctly and kept the filters changed... 😉 Also I never would've believed so many people drive off with the pump handle still in their car 🤦♂️ and atleast half the people would toss the nozzle towards the pump and not even tell the clerk 🙄 Thank God for those break free easy attach quick connects! I would install those as customers broke the older single use versions. I only ever knew of one person driving completely away with a pump handle and hose from that BP, an elderly lady from out of state, I never saw that handle and hose returned so I can't tell you how that story ended 🤷♂️😳
I have heard stories from long before my time driving where the pumps used to allow you to drain the fuel from the hose after shutting them off, which would then force the next customer to pay to refill the hose before they had any fuel dispensed. I presume that was a remnant from the days of the even older "visible" gas pumps.
Here in Central Texas we're lucky to have QT stations that have 90 octane ethanol free on their own hose. As a full time WFH I don't drive much so that's what I use for both my car and truck. For the power equipment, I mix that 50/50 with VP110. The VP110 is from a power sports equipment store. I literally can let my gas weed eater and blower sit all winter and have no issues with starting them in the spring. Same with my dirt bikes. You pay a little (or a lot) more for the ethanol free but totally worth it to me because it won't gum up your carburetors. Thanks for your videos!
Can you imagine THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE MANY INCLUDING SELF HAVE BEEN FOOLED... 1000 POINTS
I have questioned this 'one hose for all grades' system for years. Thank you for the answer, exactly what I expected is what you showed here.
The whole one hose started with Sunco. They used one hose to blend high test with regular to sell all the different octanes in between.
For this very reason I always fill up my vehicle first and the lawn gas can last. Thanks Bre!
great idea.
at least pump a little bit into the car.
This is great stuff that actually explains why there may be problems with various pieces of equipment from the ethanol in fuel. Many thanks for this. .
That is the best advice I believe I have ever heard of. To keep from mixing fuels is a chore that we consumers should not have to fool with. Thanks for the info. Greatly appreciated.
Never EVEN crossed my mind. VERY helpful information!
As a mechanic who's worked in a number of fields, I've been aware of this for years. Just wanted to say you did a great job of explaining/exposing this. RVP and content is all over the place even without the cross contamination. And it's not just the hoses; there's filters and piping that's shared too, adding up to quite a bit of fuel.
And, yeah, those gas cans piss me off too.
Well said sir !
we are blessed to have you helping us
Yes! For ethanol-free fuel, I travel to the town next to mine which has a Chevron station with a dedicated ethanol-free pump. It isn't cheap but worth it for my generator when power goes out for days after a hurricane. I'm in Florida and I need that storage life.
P.S. a small funnel is a life saver! 😉👍
We started seeing labels on gas pumps here (Pennsylvania) a while back that say something to the effect that you may get up to 2% ethanol in your fuel when you select ethanol free premium. I'm told some type of regulation made them do that on one-hose multi grade pumps. Our Valero stations now all seem to have dedicated hose for ethanol free premium. You are a good detective and a great mechanic!
Valero has ethanol-free gas? Do ALL stations have its? A Valero station opened here last year.
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Sheetz has ethanol free 90 with its own fuel hose.
I've always wondered about this. Thank you for the no BS information. From now on when I fill my 5 gal jug with non- ethanol, I'm gonna ask for 6 gals and put the first gallon in my truck. Thanks Brea! You rock!
I used to do that. But now I drive a diesel.
Man, we really need to get Americans to fully adopt the SI units. It's fairly simple, 5 American gallons is roughly 18 Litres and 3/4 gallons is less than three litres. This is one of the things I hate about Sta-bil is, yes, it gives you rough approximations in Litres but the instructions are clearly written for Fluid Ounces and Gallons. So the instructions come out with 30 mL to 9.5 L when we should be writing a Metric equivalent so I can easily use the right amount of Stabil for my 20 L and 5 L Sceptre fuel cans.
@@danlux4954 I wish I could afford a Diesel tractor. Everything runs on gasoline that I currently own.
You confirmed exactly what I have told others. I take 5 gallon containers to get ethanol free fuel for my mowers, chainsaws, generators,etc. I pump a little into my truck tank before I fill my 5 gallon containers.
National geographic ran an article several years ago,another engine in trouble is motorcycles
Exactly what I do for the same reason. 👍
Diesel pickup.....
I've been telling people for years that on a single hose mult-grade pump your getting what is left in the line and you can't be sure what tanks they are drawing from, but everyone is to trusting and say oh that can't be. Well guess what you just proved it, thank you.. Love your video's keep up the good work. Regards from AL's Small Engine 😁
I hear you. I’ve told people also for a long time the same thing and their response was that I was full of crap. Lmao 🤣
I remember way back when -when ALL of the pumps had different grades in them. Not anymore though.
I have been telling people that too for years. We who fill up with high octane get a gallon of shitty gas that we paid full price for and the person who fills up after me get a gallon roughly 4 litres of high octane for the price of cheap gas. In Canada it's in litres and we pay on average 2.00 dollars CAD per litre with all the taxes added to it. Carbon tax be damned. I now use a Greenworks™ battery operated chainsaw. Lol!
@@billybrand now all you need to be concerned with is if the electricity was generated with wind, solar, hydro, propane, nuclear or coal.
@@iffykidmn8170 I get around an hour of cutting with one charged battery and I have three. I use my off grid system to charge the batteries. Biggest issues are the costs of the batteries and the pollution that will be caused from disposing them even at a recycling place.
Great info, and something I had never thought about. Every non-ethanol pump I have access to has the one pump handle. Glad I watched this when I did because I’m about to go get non-ethanol for my new Stihl 261. Those fuel cans piss me off to the extreme. I have spilled more gas and diesel because of that garbage. I’ve worked for the federal government for almost 23 years so I’m painfully aware of how mind-numbingly stupid our government is.
Been using my Stihl 026 since 1993 and my Stihl MS250 since 2012. Also have two Stihl brushcutters and two Husqvarna saws, and an Echo even. I always get the 'ethanol free' and treat it and so far I don't think it's been a problem. Maybe by it going into a 5 gallon can and then with the treatment added, the ethanol is diluted enough not to cause any issues. However I WILL be looking for pumps with a handle ONLY for the non-ethanol gas - mainly because you're getting ripped off since you are paying more for it. I suppose I could just squirt a half gallon on the ground first, lol. Pretty sure the station owners might take offense!
@@Graysail0rput in your vehicle first.
@@Norm100ful…that won’t work when you’re driving your diesel truck to the gas station.
@@davidj.leavitt249 So true. Luckily, my pump handle is separate.
Your detective work is the difference between a good service technician / department and an ordinary one.
Nice work!!! 👍
THANKS!
I used to drive a gasoline truck and it sounds like you're talking about Unocal 76 gas stations, they have two grades of gas and mix a little of both to make mid grade
@@wilpenny4318 And some transports dump fuel in the wrong tanks also, which isn't addressed. Along with xtra water from refinery.
@@wilpenny4318 There is a local place in upstate NY called Stewarts, they sell premium E0 gas in all their locations. But I guess you should put some in your car first to be sure the gallon tank gets it! The landscapers always fill their cans with that gas.
You have no clue why big fuel company's doing this , Ethanol is not made voor Engines sorry....its crap , Belgium we have some gas station , with ethanol , but i avoid them much as possible , for my garden é😍quipent i use Aspen 4 stroke , and 2 strokes , you can keep it much longer than random gasoline , and it works pretty good , with one set of both i'm safe for a whole season !!
Good reason this former diesel truck mechanic has diesel for everything from my Coach to my JD595x garden tractor.. including my 3 jeeps. Smaller, to a dedicated ethanol free for my 17gal new Mercury Marine, after that, the 1gal for the chainsaw. BTW, it is illegal to put any ethanol in most certified aircraft as it contains less energy. We test by a measuring cylinder with your same testing process you show... GREAT video.
Thanks for sharing. Appreciate people who do their homework. I thought everybody knew this. Always fill your tank and then fill your gallon can that doesn't have one of those "safety caps" on it with a gallon so that the pump is clean of ethanol for use with your chain saw. I just use my nose too, I didn't realize their was a test kit.
I drive 20 miles out of town for my gas just because of this. The next town over has a designated pump for ethanol-free gas. it's worth the drive because my livelihood depends on my equipment. Your video is spot on, good job 🇺🇲
AFAICT, the reason to use ethanol free gas in lawn equipment is only because most people use it lightly once a week and so the gas tends to sit in the tank for a long time, and Ethanol gas turns to varnish faster. If you are using it every day and getting fresh gas every day or two or three, then what's the point of going ethanol free? I've had a brigs and straton mower engine for home use for 12 years now. It ran a little rough last week when I fired it up for the first time in 4 or 5 weeks, with gas I probably got 3 or 4 months ago ( the usual 10% ethanol sold everywhere in the state ), but next week when I get fresh gas it should run fine again. And I've never even changed the spark plug. I got a new one to change it next week since.. well, it should probably have a fresh one after 12 years.
Matt Bonner We are lucky here in our small town that we have a station
that sells ONLY E0 gasoline. Nothing but raw gas. Expensive as hell, but
free of alcohol. Use in all my small engines that are not run several times
a week. Don't know for sure how much better it is than E, as
I never did a scientific study, but I will continue using it........
( they also sell kerosene by pump from large tank. Unusual.)
Are you positive they have a separate tank
@@phillipsusi1791
Big point for pure gas is motorcycles.
A small amount of ethanol makes them to hot to ride.
Good for you. I drive 18 miles just to get ethanol free gas. My pickup and power equipment thank me.
Just a thought if you ever do this again - pour the gas into an intermediary container like a measuring cup with a spout and then a funnel in the small bottle. I am prone to over engineer to prevent spills.
Omg.. Thanks! Im so dumb. 😂
@@Chickanic If you are dumb, what am I? 🤣
Seriously, having the smart idea to even do this experiment is not negated because there was some opportunity to improve efficiency. Sorry not sorry but you don't get to say you are dumb just because I already did the same things and HATE dealing with spilled fuel. You are smart!!!!!
😅🤣😂 l think l do too.
Or remove the government stupidity spout and fill from the container... slowly.
Put a gallon in your car first.
So refreshing to find someone that call those idiots out , love you my dear .
I was made aware of this problem many years ago after reading a motorcycle magazine story about this subject. That article was about buying premium fuel and getting regular fuel for the first .3 gallon or so when using the single hose pumps. They recommended always going to the pumps that had individual hoses for each octane grade. Unfortunately those seem to be hard to find these days.
Whenever I’m out riding with a friend I will pay for gas but fill his tank first, since I pay I don’t feel as guilty. 🤣
@@marktype1with2 Savage
That's what I used to do but you can't hardly find stations with individual pumps anymore.I like to use ethanol free gas every once in a while in my bike and always in my weed eater and chainsaw.
Us bikers have known about this problem for 20 years +. As for the mixing manifolds, anyone old enough to remember Sunoco had that setup as far back as I can remember You had a choice of 190, 200, 220, 240, 250,and 260 even had another choice but it wasn't available unless you had a friend at the station.
Pumps with individual hoses for each octane grade are pretty much standard at stations in Okla. 100% gasoline widely available, too. (if you're willing to pay the .40 to .50 cents per gallon extra).
Gotta say, I’ve watched quite a few of your videos now; the one that helped me the most was about diagnosing not reaching full throttle with my echo weed eater. On that note, I truly appreciate your dedication to your craft!
2 things I want to say about this video. #1 thank you for doing this! #2 I have a gas station in my town that only sells ethanol free gas but it is a bit more expensive and it is on the other side of town. But when I fill up there when I have less than an 1/8th of a tank I notice I get about 3-4 MPG better than the 10% ethanol gas. In a vehicle on a good day with a tail wind I get about 13mpg on the highway on the 10%, on the ethanol free gas I get 16-17mpg.
I find that true with diesel fuel also, the price per gallon is not worth the loss in mpg. I avoid it as often as possible.
Ethanol has a lower energy content than gasoline, it takes more of it to do the same amount of work as gasoline.
If I take my old Chevy pickup to any other station than my regular one I have to adjust my timing to keep it from spark knocking. Just a few degrees but the performance difference is noticeable, as well as the efficiency.
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@@donutdan1508 There's a way to make your own fuel...5 gals at a time or ...👍 U can find a few vids.
17mpg what the hell u driving a sherman tank !!christ u yanks will put up with shit
OMG, I wish I had a laughing emoji. I'm with you 100%. That why I went with after market fuel spouts and got rid of the BS safety one!
vp cans. no safety junk on them. expensive but better.
Wow! Great video. Never realized that. I did know that there was a hose full of gas left after you shut the pump off that you could get out of the hose by squeezing the trigger on the old style nozzles. But, you can't do that with the new style nozzles since they won't operate after you shut the pump off. So, the gas stations are ripping you off that way too by not letting you get the gas that you paid for out of the hose. Thanks again for sharing your knnowledge. BTW, sorry to hear about you husband's hip and having to close shop for awhile. Look at it as a well deserved break. Hope you get back into it, you are a great mechanic. Also, congrats on the Husqvarna gig.
I bit the bullet a few years ago, trashed all my leaky plastic gas cans & bought spring-loaded cap steel cans with funnels. Yeah, 3x price of plastic. A 1 gal for my oil mixes for chain saws etc, a 2-gal for gas my petite wife can handle, ( she do loves the zero turn mower) & two 5-gals, one for tractor diesel, one for gas. Will start pumping 2 gals in my truck before I fill my cans with ethanol free. Love the metal cans. Safer too. Labeled each can with paint stick. Bought Dad & brothers these for birthday gifts.
...great video Bre....one of your best....very informative...I recently purchased "ethanol free" from a trusted station (5 gallons) that had a dedicated hose, but it tested 10% when I got home.
I took my test kit with me back to the station and showed the manager. Long story short, the delivery man put 87 octane 10% ethanol in the WRONG tank!.....ALWAYS
test your "ethanol free" fuel.... 🙂
pretty difficult to eliminate "human" error.
I bought the kit to convert all my gas cans to the old way, works like a charm.
Cool.
Thanks.
I'll google "the kit" and see what I find.
Most of the kits for that that I have seen are more expensive than the damn can itself. Go to you local salvage yard and rummage thru the trunks of the junk cars. You'd be surprised how many "old school" gas cans you will find.
@@donm921 12 BUCS AMAZON WILL DO 3. CANT BUY A DAMN CAN FOR THAT
I read an article about "making" your own ethanol-free gas by putting "some" water in a carboy (5-gallon glass jug), add your gasoline... shake... let stand for quite a while and, after it separates, siphon off your ethanol-free fuel above the separation line.
I wouldn't recommend this. Modern gasoline contains a variety of additives that serve important purposes. These include detergents that keep your engine clean, anti-corrosion inhibitors to protect your fuel system, seal preservatives to prevent fuel leaks, and lubricants to reduce friction. Siphoning off the top layer of gasoline after mixing with water may remove some of these additives along with the ethanol (depending on the additives' affinity for alcohol and water). Also, as others have pointed out, removing the ethanol decreases the octane rating. This method of getting ethanol-free gas has the potential to cause as much harm as good.
You are exactly correct on this one. I have the luxury of having a marina that sells nothing but straight gas & I have had it tested using your method in a jelly jar. My equipment runs great now.
Just what I needed...another reason to hate the gas station. I've adopted a new way of thinking...if I'm buying something, I just automatically assume I'm being conned. Nothing like buying inferior products at inflated prices.
Quality content, much appreciated!
Caveat Emptor
@@Huntnlady7
Buyers must be responsible simply because sellers navigate their dealings with the moral compass of a $2 dark alley whore...by choice.
@@Huntnlady7 Hard to examine the fuel before you buy it..
@@01trsmar Yes, but if you live in a single area, you tend to buy your fuel in the same places.
TEST IT!
Welcome to capitalism.
Thank you for taking the time and expense etc for doing these tests. It is something we ordinarily don’t think too much about but then may have a small, but negative, impact on our lives.
I was a "Heavy Mechanic" all my life. Small engines drove me nuts. But I did learn something from a customer years ago. We were talking about how hard some small engines can be to start and even keep running. I used his advise for decades without any problems, even after sitting all winter. Always USE Super Unleaded (in gas engines of course) and gap the plug to .036. It works for any small engine. I have all sorts of small engines from mower, snow blower, weed eater, edger, trimmers, etc. NOTHING takes more than 2 pulls to start.
I used to have a small engine repair business. I was curious at one time why Weed eaters fail so soon and become so hard to start after about a year of use. One day I decided to take apart about a dozen of them customers let me keep to investigate what their problem is. My findings were that many of them had the rings fuse- welded into the piston. Once that happens, they lose compression and things like new spark plugs, adjustment of the carburetor, changing the fuel, rebuilding the carburetor, cleaning the exhaust screen all become a complete waste of time. After that I decided to never work on them again because they are complete junk. I told customers to just buy a battery operated one. The solution would be to make the engine and piston out of cast iron instead of aluminum and to improve the cooling system. They will never do that because they would last too long and screw up their planned obsolescence scheme.
When I bought mt Stihl weedeater, the shop recommended buying Stihls 6 pack full synthetic 2 cycle oil. Each one treated 1 gallon of gas. 1st I thought he's just trying to add to the sale. But when he told me if purchased with the tool, Sthil would double the warranty period to 2 years. I now use synthetic oils in all my power tools. 2 or 4 stroke
@@normtheteacher5485 I use synthetic 2-stroke oils, and never run the lean oil ratios they recommend these days.
Even in my big outboards I always ran 40:1, and in small engines 25:1.
Contrary to popular belief the extra oil does NOT cause more carbon, it actually prevents carbon from accumulating in the combustion chamber and ring grooves. It's also better for the cylinder walls and bearings.
You do sometimes have to richen the mixture screws a bit to offset the extra oil.
I've never had a carbon problem using this method. 😎
When I’ve been filling my gas cans, I was filling them first and then topping off my car. In the future, I will fill the car first and then the small tanks. Thanks for the video and the great real-world tests. As a former fire and explosion investigator, I do have one suggestion. Always place plastic gas cans on the ground and touch the nozzle to the can when filling with gas to avoid the buildup of static charge and potential ignition by static spark.
Ugh i
I can't say I have a reason for it, but I have always filled my car first, then the can. Then again, I also usually pour whatever is left in the can into the car after it has sat there for a week or two and go refill it with fresh gas, after topping off the car first. I guess that's just to keep the gas from going stale.
Static electricity from a plastic gas can?
@@rodrogers6895 yes, it's a lot like what happens when you rub a balloon against your hair, a carpet, or something similar. When non-conductive fluids like gasoline flow, they transfer static charge to the container. If that charge can't dissipate to ground, it builds up and can eventually spark back to the grounded fuel nozzle and cause ignition. To reduce this risk, some plastic gas cans have filler materials (like carbon black) added to make them slightly conductive so they more easily transfer the electrical charge to the ground and are less likely to spark back to the fuel nozzle. But they still have to be setting on a grounded surface.
People also cause ignition by getting in their car while filling their tank. When getting back out of the car they slide off a cloth seat and build up static electricity on their body. If they don't discharge the static by touching something metal like the car body or the gas pump, a spark can jump from the their finger to the filler nozzle when they grab it. That spark can ignite the fumes coming out of the gas tank. Search "Gas Station Static Electricity Fire" on TH-cam for a video of this happening.
Probably more info than you wanted, but burns suck, so it's worth sharing.
@Pickle Where did this discussion of static come from? The topic was buying one grade of fuel and getting at least a good chunk of another because that is what was left in the hose from the last purchase.
Here in Wisconsin, a company called Kwik Trip based in LaCrosse Wisconsin is dominating the state by building many convenience/gas stations. They are HIGHLY customer responsive. I called the company when I saw a new station being built and I asked if they would install individual hoses for each grade. Not only did they install individual hoses at that station, every new station I see they have at least 2 pumps with individual hoses. They also sell Top Tier gasoline.
Wait.. there's a good company in the world? Amazing
I hope this isn't too dumb a question but what is top-tier gasoline
@@bigzen69 Not a dumb question and thought I'd answer since it's been 2 weeks and no one replied. I don't know the answer except to say it sounds like a brand name rather than a description of high quality gasoline (which it may also be).
@@bigzen69 top tier is a detergent standard that is supposed to be above and beyond the epa minimum you may find at budget stations.
Ok - Quick trip trying not to be a rip off ! Most interesting information I’ve heard in a while !
Thanks for your time and effort - Good Job . Appreciate this -
I’m in the Idaho panhandle, and we have one station that I pump all my carbureted engine gas at because it has separate pumps for the off road diesel and the non ethanol gas, each on their own wand.
Thanks for solving the mystery. When I cut the grass when I was a teenager in the 70s , I remember lawn mowers working for years, no problem. And you have made me nostalgic for my father’s old, all metal gas that had a screw on lid on the end of the spout and screw on metal lid in the top with the old wooden handle. It just freaking worked. The last two mowers that I bought only lasted one season.
I am still using a Shindaiwa T25 I bought in 1992 new. only NE for over 30 years. dealer told me he wished they still made them that way. Newer machines are made to emit less pollution which is one reason they do not last it seems. Thank the no backbone by our legislators who have let the EPA run over us for years.
I am using a 1999 John Deere Sabre 54" I paid $200 plus a battery 3 years ago. I cut around 2 acres. I am using NE in it. It sat since 2013 before I bought it.
Made in China, what do you expect?
Thanks for your channel. There's a gas station near here that has one of the selections as e0. However, they were straight-forward enough to have a sign on the pump that if you are pumping the E0 (their pumps have a single hose for all grades), the first bit of fuel that comes from the hose will have gas from last customer and might not be the ethanol-free. With their caution in mind, any time I'm getting a few gallons of E0, I do pump the first gallon into my car's tank. Then I proceed to put the E0 into my fuel can. I didn't know about the ethanol content checker from Amazon. Going to order one. Just wanted to say that your videos (just learned of them today, and have watched only 2 of them), are straight to the point and don't have any BS in them (I'm not a tomato plant so I don't need the BS from some of the other folks). Thank you much for good info, straight to the point. Cheers.
Thanks for the test - it's very informative. As an additional note, for those who want to, the so-called 'flame arrester' inside the can can be yanked out by the roots using needle nose pliars and/or a utility knife. The govvernmint won't stop making gas cans 'safe' until the user can't pour any gas anytime, anyhow, and anyway. You'll just get to look at the gas can with it's $5.50/gal "ethanol free" gas...
When you see their “war” on oil and gas it makes sense
Thanks so very much for your videos. I'm retired and we heat our home during the winter with firewood. Old 50 cc class saws are primarily what is available in our area. I'm trying to learn enough to attempt some simple ways to improve the performance of a saw such an 026 without having special tools. A base gasket delete, minor exhaust work, and possibly a muffler mod would most likely be my target starting point. Thanks again Tinman!
in NZ I haven't seen a shared hose on a fuel pump in over 40 years. I would not have thought they were still a thing but for this video.
I feel your pain about the gas can. I had to use pliers to 'destroy' the safety features on my can. I literally couldn't get anything out the way it was designed.
Hi Richard how are you doing today. Hope you are having a good weather 😊
They are a giant pain in the (g)ass, literally...I try to do my part, i recycle, i try to avoid driving whenever possible, etc. Here we are.....people starving.....and we're growing corn to fuel our vehicles. WTF?
can't get the "Safe" gas can Nozzle into my motorcycle tank filler! it's stupid and useless
@@franklinhankel6168 Seconding your WTF. 25 years ago-pre Internet-NPR's All Things Considered had a segment on how ethanol was the panacea to global warming. I wrote a letter (what are those, right?) which was read on the air pointing out that using high-quality agricultural land to produce fuel instead of food was just wrong (I think I used stronger words than that). I lived in Hawaii at the time and some true believer from Massachusetts went down to his local library, dug up a Honolulu phone book to get my phone number, and timed it so that he could interrupt my dinner and tell me how evil I was to consider people ahead the environment.
They are a cult.
Horrible designs! The flexible ones with a simple cap st the end are the best. Never have a spill. Easy to control. Fuck the government
Two things I always look for at garage sales. Old gas cans and old battery chargers. The ne w battery chargers have microprocessors in them that won't allow them to turn on if a battery is too dead. Major pain in the butt. I loved this video and learned something new. Thank you very much.
Older chargers are best
Good point. I recently accidentally fried a charger I bought when I bought my first car, which was in 1983.
I go to a Murphy here in Dallas, and they have a non-ethanol hose by itself. Works great.
Hi Bre you can always pour some gas into an easier to use small container such as a measuring type of cup or even a glass jar to make pouring gas easier for video’s like this. Then there is no struggling with the gas can and no spillage.
She wants to highlight the bullshit. Doing that will not demonstrate how much of a pain those bullshit nozzles are.
Yeah I found myself yelling at the TV - "would you just put some in a measuring cup to pour it into the test bottle!". Even using my old-school vented gas can without the gov mandated garbage spout I'd have done it that way.
New sub (about a week) and I've known and fixed lots of my own equipment but I've still learned a lot from you. However, I've suspected a long time we were getting ripped off at the pump for the reasons you presented. THANK YOU for confirming my suspicions. You've have a life long fan here and I must say your husband is a very smart man......he knows quality when he sees it ( you ! ).
Spot on. Especially nasty if you're getting that E85.
One more fuel buying tip: Always avoid the station if you see the tanker there pumping or just leaving. Filling those tanks riles up any crap that might be in the tank (and don't believe there isn't any) and you'll be pumping that trashy stuff into your cans or tanks. I once had an auto fuel filter completely gummed up by doing this. Learned my lesson...
@notexpatjoe I understand that. However, I once managed to get a fill so bad it plugged the filter on the vehicle so badly I barely made it home. Had barely 20K on the od. I thought something terrible was going on the way the truck was buckin' and humpin'. Nope Just a plugged fuel filter.
So the assumptions that filters are always in good condition or even present are contingent on getting usable fuel. Otherwise, you may be walking or calling.
Long hose fuel mixing was my complaint back in the 1970s. When I brought that up to the stations manager he said, [near quote] We can't do anything about it with the pumps we have. You'll have to go elsewhere where they have separate tanks to separate hoses."[/nq] __ The No-ethanol fuel is cheaper to manufacture than any other gasoline but we're forced to pay the highest price? ANOTHER Class Action suit is needed. 🤨
Thank the Democraps and Tree-Huggers.
You're joking, right? Fuel costs the same to manufacture, no matter what. Ethanol is simply added to the other kinds of fuel, thus using less fuel and ethanol is exponentially cheaper than gasoline.
So you think ethanol mfg. is free?
Only dumb Libs say that.
Total the whole cost$ & maybe you'll understand.
Besides, my main point was intermixing of fuels in a single pump hose.
@@williameldridge9382
You need to go back & learn the TOTAL COSTS of gasoline & TOTAL COSTS of Corn ethanol.
You might then learn... 1+1=too much
So is diesel fuel. Diesel is way cheaper to make than gasoline but way more expensive. It's such a JOKE!
We have very few ethanol free fuel pumps here in New Hampshire. I used to have to go to an airport and pay almost $5 a gallon. Now we have one station that is about 40 miles away. There are others up north by the White Mountains because of all the 4-wheelers but I sure wish there were more stations closer. That is all I use in my small engines. I also mix my own saw gas. No over-priced canned fuel for me. Thanks for another informative video. Good job!
I would drive 6 hours to Oklahoma and fill up 12 five gallon tanks and vehicle
@@philliphall5198 I do the same thing. Only 6 but I still feel like I'm driving a bomb home
Check Sunoco stations. We have a Sunoco in Keene now with ethanol free. I spend winters in Florida now and ethanol free is everywhere.
@@davido856 Thank you. There's a Sunoco in Concord that has kerosene. Maybe they would be open to putting in an ethanol free pump. Thanks. The station I go to is up in Sunapee. And we have friends in the West Palm area and you're right, it's everywhere down there.
@@NHHalKnowsHow our Sunoco wholesaler is Sandri out of Greenfield Massachusetts. Kerosene is a scare as hens teeth. Most retailers in Keene have changed over to off road diesel that can be used for heating oil without paying the road taxes.
As a software tester, I approve of this testing video! ;) You are awsome, thank you.
The station I go to sells "recreational gasoline" 92 octane, no ethanol. I have thought of the hose containing other grades, but when I went to get fuel, noticed that the recreational fuel has its own hose! Good! I have never had a problem, even from one year to the next. I now buy it for all my small engines...Love your channel!
If it is a single pump you should be fine, if the pump has multi grade the pump has a distribution block and a single pump pumping all the blends so you would still get what remains in the pump and distribution block. single hose is better than multi grade but still not perfect.
The hoses may only hold 1 to 2ounces of fuel. The pumps are designed so any fuel left in the hose is siphoned back into the storage tank once the pump is shut off. You can verify that by laying the nozzle on the ground and pulling the handle after shutting off the pump.
@@billwilson3609 if that was the case, fuel would not immediately flow out of the nozzle when you refuel your car.
Good video, spot on. I always put a couple gallons in my truck before filling the cans. i was an ASE Master Tech for 30 years and remember when we first started having to test for alcohol in the fuel.
Spot on. This is why I always pump a few gallons of fuel into my _car_ first before filling up my gas can. But it doesn't really matter because I remove the ethanol from the fuel _anyway_ before I use it. (It's _really_ easy to do!) 🙂
How???
@@lisat9707 You're not the first person who wanted to know how to do that! I wrote a brief procedure outlining how it was done, but it got promptly removed, and I'm not willing to go through all the trouble again if it's just going to be deleted for whatever reason. Just do a search right here on TH-cam and you'll find more that you'll ever need!
@@lisat9707Get a 5 or 6 gallon carboy jug (I need to get a six so I can run 5 gal at a time with the 20% ratio). Put about a gallon of water in the jug. I add a little red food coloring to make it real easy to see. Fill the rest with pump gas. Shake it all up. You can watch it separate before your eyes. Mark the jug with a sharpie if you want to see just how much ethanol settles out. Siphon the pure stuff off the top.
All my carburetor troubles seem to have magically gone away since I started running this, machines run cooler and smoother. Very easy starts. For reference I own 16 small engines I run this stuff in. It’s wonderful and so worth the few minutes of effort.
I have worked in the petroleum business for the past 20 years on the bulk storage side. You are 100% percent correct. There is an amount downgraded at the nozzle when choosing higher grades. This amount isn’t as noticeable with higher amounts when filling a vehicle. But when getting one gallon it is very noticeable. We have the same sort of blending systems on a larger scale to fill the tanker trucks delivering fuel to stations.
Please, next time fill your plastic gas can on the ground. Static builds up quickly in plastic gas cans when filling. It being in contact with the concrete will dissipate.
I wish there was a motorcycle specific pump because I only need 2 bucks worth of gas
WOW! How did I not realize this was happening? I use 5 gal cans and have never had an issue, but I can definitely see how others could. And btw, I bought after-market spouts for all of my cans and they work great.
love good info
At last check you could get after-market gas can spouts at Tractor Supply Co or Amazon. Just checked again, and yes, both still have the replacement spouts. Around $15 in most cases.
Back to basics! Flexible hose with simple little cap at the end. Zero spills ever, easy to control. Fuck the govt
I was happy to see another episode of Chickanic! Living in Commie California is painful in many ways. When the EPA was first created, they actually helped clean our soil, air and water. Now, all they do is make life more difficult and more expensive, by creating torture devices like that "no-spill" fuel dispenser nozzle. Thankfully, there are a few you-tubers who create videos showing to improve on, or replace such ridiculous devices. I really appreciate your videos! (Retired gasoline tanker driver in CA)
In the past 3 years I've caught the Gate Station on 3rd Street Jacksonville Beach , selling ethanol blended fuel as non ethanol . This is a dedicated non ethanol pump and hose. The last time I told them next time, a call to the Florida Department of Agriculture (they don't play)
They "play" if they're paid off like all other government agencies
Hi Bre,
I saw a video where they used the same technique to make E10 into ethanol free by using a 5 gallon container with a bottom tap. Sufficient water was poured in to capture the ethanol and it was agitated and left for several hours. Then the tap was opened to drain off the bottom mixture and a little gasoline. The rest of the container was now ethanol free. You and your family stay safe.
Yes, I saw that video as well. I'm going to go to this method, but I am also going to test my area, and my improved fuel as well.
Don't forget that doing this ( removing the ethanol) decreases your octane by a significant amount. You may need to add non ethanol octane booster to run the stripped out fuel succsessfuly.
@@Ronstar911 Great point!
@@Ronstar911 Very true.
The ethanol is a very cheap octane booster, so the oil companies will skimp on using normal compounds to restore octane.
You could well destroy your motor from detonation by doing this.
@@Ronstar911. True and Important. Too low octane will cause predetonation, which will ruin an engine.
Far better to find a station selling the gas you need.
Thanks, i thought the same thing about getting premium fuel for my motorcycle.
The tank isn't that many gallons, so if you are only preemptively topping off, *you could be getting closer to 89 instead of 92,* which i wondered if anyone has had knock/blown an engine over.
Which also means it's to your advantage to top off less and let the tank get lower.
It's almost like you gotta wait for someone to pull up in a sports car and fill that up with premium, and then jump in line after that person 😅
It could be to your advantage to fill up more often if yo buy cheep gas and get behind a jaguar eve time you fill up your go cart..
EFI completely eliminates this problem. The only thing you may notice is poorer gas mileage. Hopefully, anyone who is running a carbureted motorcycle has not leaned the jetting for performance without being able to recognize the signs of lean running. Anyone with a carbureted motorcycle that has NOT leaned the high speed mixture for performance has nothing to worry about.
Most efi bikes are just fine with 87/89, says so in your manual. The problem is the 10/15/85% ethanol sucking up moisture into suspension. I usually look for 91 no corn with a dedicated hose, simply because I got a load of water in my tank which made it stumble till I got it home and disassembled it.
I found water to the top of the in tank filter pump, I found water in the p-trap shaped fuel hose, I reverse flushed the injectors and got a few drops out of there. About a quart of water is all it took to ruin an out of state ride. I apply this knowledge to small engines too.
Thanks to you I have learned so much more regarding 2 stroke. Keep up the good work. Jim
Interesting information. I also live in a small town with only 3 gas stations. I noticed the two that I normally go to recently replaced their pumps with pumps that have a completely separate hose for what they label 100% gasoline. Sounds like it’s a good thing.
Have never seen a true ethanol-free gasoline, since the ethanol is used as a replacement for the now-banned additive that replaced tetraethyl lead as an octane booster. Without a booster, fuel is around 60 octane.
@@michaelnorth5215 Have two Murphy stations in my area(15 and 20 miles from me) now one has 87 octane non ethanol and the other has 90 Octane non ethanol!
@@wallychambe1587 Any clue what is used for an octane booster? Can't say I ever heard of the brand, but probably not NW Ohio🤔
@@michaelnorth5215 Murphy stations are usually at Walmarts, the refiners process the naptha more to get the higher octane. The Ethanol free gas is the 93 or 95 octane gas before they put the ethanol in. So it is 87 to 90 octane before they add Ethanol.
There seems to be only one in my neighborhood that uses a separate hose for the non-ethanol gasoline. That's where I will be buying my non-E fuel.
What a great, as in helpful, production. However, I agree with you and so many who get frustrated, with governement "Help" or BS.
Thank you for illustrating this. Back in the mid '80s my Dad took up small engine repair and would attend small engine seminars. One seminar was on the subject of the varying percentages of ethanol in the fuel from local gas stations in the town he was doing the seminar. His tests he illustrated for the attendees had anywhere from 0 to 30% ethanol. As most knew the quality of the fuel greatly affected the tuning and performance of small engines, thus explaining some of the woes people were having. When my Dad performed his own tests, he found a couple of stations consistently had huge variations in the amount of ethanol. He did the same as you, passing on recommendations to his customers. One of the owners came to his shop and threatened him. He smiled at him and welcomed him to go ahead. It would be the perfect outlet for dealing with the pent-up frustrations that some customers instilled that beating the hell out of someone would be good therapy. Poor Dad had to deal with his frustrations another way, the guy couldn't get back in his truck fast enough.
lol in the 80's only place u could get corn fuel was at a co/op store, / feed store lol, no regular gas stations sold that garbage , and it was gone in a year becuz it was twice the cost as regular fuel and got worse mileage, sounds like bullshit
G30 the dem
You are without a doubt one of the best small engine mechs on the internet. I’ve been involved with racing , farming , landscaping and tree maintenance my whole life. So I do know a lil bit of who knows what. You crack me up when I learn something new from you. 👍🏻 which is quite frequently. Thank you for all you do. I watch daily because of that and because your have an easy to listen to voice box 😂 and not for nothing your easier on the eyes than dudes that wanna think they know it all. Keep it up 👍🏻👍🏻
I absolutely without fail only use Ethanol-free fuel on a dedicated pump from two locations in my county of Florida. Both locations are dedicated pumps having dedicated tanks for EF. I will endeavor to check one day to verify I get what I am paying for. Never knew to do this before so thanks Chickanic, you are a new favorite YT channel for me now.....🤩😍🥰
Thanks for this experimentation! I have been telling my customers the same thing (that I was smelling ethanol in their fuel) as well as wondering if those one nozzle pumps held previously pumped fuel in them. You solved my suspicion with this video!
Based on my mechanics recommendation I only purchase premixed fuel in cans
Smell ethanol in the fuel lmfao ya ok
@J J lol...I guess I should have said that the ethonal free gasoline has a much stronger gasoline smell than gasoline diluted with 10% or more ethanol. I guess it would be similar to people who can tell that gasoline has water in it by the smell....lol.
I am the owner of Small Engine King, and have just started my own You Tube channel. I just wanted to say thank you for all the videos. They are very helpful when it comes to explaining everything in general. This helps me explain things to my customers as well.
Thank you for sharing this information. On the gas cans, it's why I carry a funnel and don't use the cans spout.
Hello Chickanic, I for one appreciate your channel and how dedicated you are to protect, advise and make aware the general public of techniques to trickery...thank you from Lockport, NY
Great presentation and thank you for going the extra mile to show this to everyone .
So, I was aware of the benefit of separate hoses for things like diesel and ethanol-free that share a pump with other grades, but not the degree of the problem. Thanks for demonstrating this in such a clear way.
Love the channel, keep being awesome and thank you for the no BS honesty.
Nice. I have been using seafoam or stabil with my unleaded 89 octane for my snowblower, EXMARK and three echo products for years and have 0 problems. My Stihl chainsaw is over 20 years old and sits a lot and an echo handheld blower over 20 years old too they all run great. Love your channel
Great video (as usual) Bre. I wasn't aware of the simple ethanol test, but I'll start using one just because my curiosity loves to complicate life! Since the introduction of the moonshine blends, I've always put the first gallon of in my vehicles to clear the hose before filling up my 1 and 2 gallon cans for 2cyl. I had NO idea how much this was helping though. I appreciate the education.
Nice !!! I use olive jars for this. Fortunately, our local ethanol free pumps have a separate hose for the good stuff. They're near the airport, and pilots who get fuel for their 2 stroke equipped planes test the fuel for ethanol every fill up. You can tell because their olive jars are out next to the jugs they fill.
The Circle K near me has a individual hose for the Non Ethanol fuel. The gas nozzle has blue rubber on it, whereas the Diesel has Green Rubber and the other e85 e87 and e93 fuels have a black nozzle. So I get pure non ethanol each time I pump from the non ethanol hose. They have a tank for each one.
Started having trouble with the carb on my small outboard a few years ago. Eventually had to replace it. Looking back, I was filling my little 3 gallon tank at a pump that sold multiple fuel types back then. Good to know! Thanks!
This video was very enlightening. Thank you so much for taking the time to do the test and inform us all!
I am so glad to see someone else struggle with the new gas cans. I had thought about the big push button ones but the kids in the shop say the ones are easier. But yes for them to be no spillable, now i spill it everywhere.
I use one called Easy Can, kinda pricey in my opinion but it actually works and it is easy to use filling straight into weed eater. Walmart online 2.5 gallon for around 27 bucks👍
Protect me from bad gas cans and in the same breath authorize. ..... to demand me to get .... plus a a booster or 2.
I used to spill almost every time, now with the new cans I never spill. They work perfectly.
Wow, I never thought of that. Thank you for the heads up. I'm going to always make sure that when I get ethanol gas it has a dedicated pump.
Thank you Bre for the information, I will definitely be more careful about fuel purchases in the future. I replaced all the spouts on my fuel cans with the old school type just to make life easier
can you even find them anymore...? i hate these damn gas cans nowadays
@@jackclark1994 yes they are available on Amazon, you get the spouts and the vents . You have to make a 1/2 inch hole in the can for the vent
Videos are always informative and straightforward. With regard to “safety” nozzles… I’ve converted all my gas can nozzles, I.e., removed all the springs, valves, and innards and made the nozzle work like a nozzle should. I’ve also installed a metal shrader (tire-type) valve (minus the inner core) for the vent and screw a cap on. The government feels they have the obligation to mitigate every last bit of risk in the world and protect us from stupid!
And that's why I buy my ethanol-free gas at the local Walmart, where it is 91 octane and has its own dedicated pump attached to a dedicated blue nozzle. On the odd occasion that I must get it somewhere else, I always spray the first gallon or so in the truck. Ethanol will absolutely wreak havoc on your small engines.
Same here. The local Wally World gas station has a dedicated hose for the ethanol free gasoline which is what I use in my 2022 Power Wagon and Stihl chain saw. I've noticed an increase in power and mileage which partially helps to offset the increase in cost. I now get about 440 miles per tank of gas, up from 400.
@@derekheuring2984 WOW! That is nice to know. On the same note, a dear friend of mine is a life-long, authorized mechanic for four popular makers of Japanese motorcycles, and he tells me that certain of these manufacturers warrant their bikes for one year less when they ship them to America, simply because of the problems that are certain to arise because of the crappy fuel we put in them. 👇