People, please do your research before saying these people are cruel. Essentially, the heat damages the horns at an early age, and prevent them from growing. it's similar to having someone cut your hair or nails. So long as you don't burn too deep, the goats are fine, and there's no actual damage done! As for the crying, most of the time, they start crying and such because their afraid of being hurt, which is natural, and they simply can't get away from what they believe is danger. I've done this with a very young goat who didn't cry at all. So, as I said, please do your research before calling them cruel.
Bobbi Becker lol so you would rather them have a lifetime of being in danger from being cut, scratched, poked, eyes being damaged like blindness, teeth knocked out, udders ripped, head butted,rammed etc? Then them go through 4 seconds of pain. I don’t see it as abuse at all. It does depend on the situation though.
It's literally nothing like getting your hair or nails cut. It's more like getting your nails cut off completely and then burned so they can't grow back. Fingernails are meant to be weathered, just like the teeth of some rodents. That's why they keep growing our whole lives. Goats horns don't keep growing their whole lives. They grow up to a point and then stop. Even trimming goats horns is not necessary or ethical, let alone removing them completely. Maybe you should try doing your research a bit more carefully instead of just believing what you want to be the truth to justify your own actions to yourself.
Hey! I’m not being negative - just curious. Does it burn down to their skin and burn the surface of their skin? I just think about how being burned hurts so bad. But I guess when you think about circumcising little boys that is painful too, but they don’t remember it and is better to do it when they’re young
oh no that's so sad! I don't know that I could do it, but I respect you for doing it for general safety. I understand that it's a precautionary measure by its still so sad !
*Bobbi Becker* it is necessary for the safety of EVERYONE it is better to do this to them than constantly being a safety hazard for everyone on the farm. Then can kill each other and themselves with the horns. It is better to let them go through this little pain for 5 seconds then eventually killing each other.
I have never seen an unaltered unnatural goat get hurt on any farm I have been to hundreds none of them ever tortured babies and they were all perfectly fine they told me it's unnecessary and they do it for show I would never get a goat that looked so unnatural and nasty I would much rather have a happy normal and natural one
ahh ;-; this is so hard to watch but I completely understand why you guys do it. I wouldn't want my goats to get hurt either, I didn't realize they were dangerous like that. But they were over it quickly and even though it must've hurt a lot at first it's for their own good.
It hurts for only a split second, then the nerves are destroyed. It's like a third degree burn, it doesn't hurt. The goats are much more upset about being restrained in a box away from their mothers. Let them out of the box and back with mom and they're happy again.
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People in comments saying this is bad, it isn't, even a few minutes after you see them running and playing with their little fluffy tails wagging. So stop whining, it is better for them.
They are only upset because they don't like being trapped in a box away from their mother. The pain is momentary. As soon as the heat burns the area around the horn it kills the nerves that can register pain so it simply feels numb.
s cass really didn’t you even watch the video? Horns are the same as nails, just larger. It hurts you to clip your nails? I had a baby that her toe nails curled into her toes, should I not have clipped her toe nails? It hurt.
We let them keep their horns, yes they do sometimes get the horns stuck in the fence , but it's no big deal to me because I keep a close eye on our animals. Their horns are their only weapon ( not much of a weapon, but just the looks of the horns might deter predators ) I have only been hit with one horn so far and it was an accident, goats are some what like dogs if you raise them from babies they are pretty tame.
Weed 'em & Reap The only time one of our Billies hit me with a horn, I had pulled his ear, (they don't seem to like that?) and he twisted his head and hit my hand, the funny thing was I had an Egg in that hand and the egg went all over his face and my hand, I thought it was funny ( : he had egg on his face!.
Goats with horns can hurt another goat or take out your eye purely by accident. I hope you never have to put down a doe because her udder was ripped beyond repair by another goat in play. It has happened.
yet it doesn't. no harm was done to the goat. if you are a goat owner, then your baby goats must cry alot. we humans as babies cry. the goat was not crying because it was harmed, but if you take a baby away from his mother, he\she will cry. this is what happened with the goat.
I'm not sure if you're aware, but disbudding can actually kill pygmy breeds very easily, as the heat can make the brain expand causing them to die. I understand doing it for larger breeds, but it's too high a risk for me
I love the bucklings color! We always disbudd them unless the owner wants horns. Our only horned goat is our first dairy goat that we can't bear to sell. I do find that during the summer she stays cool even with a shaggy coat. We also can not show horned dairy goats at fair.
Breanna Springer can I just say that I love the fact that you stated your opinion but u weren’t rude with it :) We need more people like u when opinions differ.
Animals are so resilient. I listened to a TED talk with Mike Rowe and he talked about a sheep farmer that would castrate with a knife. He asked wouldn't it be more humane to band them?? The man said when they get banded , they can barely walk for 3 days and until it is done they are depressed and in serious pain. When you cut them they are in pain for a matter of minutes and quickly back to being happy sheep. Animals don't dwell on pain like humans do, they just keep on trucking!! Ever seen a 3 legged dog? They run as if life is amazing, not bothered by a missing leg!! I wish we coukd be more like animals in that way !
I love these vlogs. I appreciate you showing the goat disbudding and how the babies were "over it" pretty quickly. While it may be controversial, it is safer for some situations. You can't argue with wagging tails! We are hoping to get goats this year and you are our most trusted source for goat info. I laugh every time I see your insert for "why you need goats now". Yes! I need goats! I will be reviewing your blog and vlog to refresh my knowledge. Thank you for all of that! Also, you are funny with your labels and organization. I am a bit OCD with it myself :0)
Wagging tails can have loads of meanings. It isnt jsut when they are happy. Animals hide their pain very well, too. Disbudding is horribly painful. Horns, especially budding horns, are full of blood vessels and nerves. This is not a necessary practice, at all.
The same can be said of many things done to both livestock and humans such as circumcisions, castration, piercings, vaccines, surgeries...the list is endless. In the end, it is a personal choice that is usually made with the best intention in mind. The best choice for one person isn't always going to be universal.
Disbudding causes third degree burns around the horn. There are many nerves, yes, but these are killed by the heat. Ask a human what a third degree burn feels like and they'll tell you it's not painful at all because those pain receptors are dead. The area simply feels numb.
i feel so badly for them but i do think its necessary for small homesteads and farms. i wish they could get some anesthetic, can you put ice packs on it right after? i got a label maker for xmas, lol. i am very organized too, plus i am good at sorting. i am constantly making piles of stuff to donate or toss so we dont outgrow our very tiny space.
We show dairy goats and ADGA will not allow them to be shown with horns. I can draw blood, trim hooves, give boluses (most of the time), neuter males and give shots. But I'm with you, disbudding is definitely the most distasteful thing we have to do!
Same here. I absolutely hate disbudding especially since it has to be done on the little ones. On the flip side we had horned goats and my daughter got hooked in the corner of the eye. It was an accident as the goat was not being mean just swatting a fly. Also our horned goat got another goats ear and ripped it from the very top to the bottom. It was awful. It bled so bad and the ear couldn't be repaired. It healed as two flaps.
Nope could not do that . I only have two females at the moment and am happy for them to keep there horns . I am never more than a few hours away and they live by the house so I can watch them .
Nancy Collins there's no pain though.. it's like saying your hair or nails have nerves. it might be uncomfortable at most due to the high heat, that's about it. so long as you don't go too deep, that is. which it seems they were really shallow compared to most goats.
Ummm, let's see you burn your nails done to the skin and then let us know if it hurts or not. I get that this may be necessary to do but let's not pretend it does not hurt the animal.
+Sam Ward Horns, all horns, have blood and nerves in them. Please, stop spreading this misinformation. Horns are NOT the same as fingernails on humans. They are more like dog toenails. There is a "quick" inside. Google "goat horn anatomy" and you will see. Buds are especially sensitive. They burn them out because it also stops the bleeding. There are toosl to cut the buds out, but there is a lot of blood. Burning solves that problem. All methods of horn removal are incredibly painful.
But they live in a suburban area, if they had their horns and they got out, imagine if they gutted someone, or even hung themselves, like the video said
I couldn't watch but I'm sure it's necessary. Hopefully there's some anesthesia that could be applied topically or just around where the burning takes place by injection. I'm sure there are nerves in the area and the baby goats feel that pain and it's sad but it does seem overall like a necessary procedure for a domestic goat. Kinda like being circumcised.
I been using dehorning paste and I have had 50% success even though I just started. Next time I'm going to shave the hair around the horn then apply the paste. There was one horn that did not grow 100% on one baby goat. Dehorning paste has to be applied when they are first born.
Have you ever had the burning method not work and the goat still have disformed horns grow? We had that happen. The breeder burnt them but they still grew a bit. They had it happen to a goat that they kept also.
You were way ahead on the dollar store organizational stuff on TH-cam which is hilarious considering they have their own category of youtubers now?! Haha
I don't know i have mixed emotions about burning off goat's horns because they were born with them so they should keep them? I guess. But also it is safer with there horns burned off😀😬 like if you feel the same way
we saw a little goat stuck in a fence once when we were going past a farm on the way to my parents back when they were still alive and actually we were on our way to Thanksgiving so it's kinda ironic I am watching this on Thanksgiving but anyway, I said we gotta go back and we turned around and went back and got him unstuck and he ran off screaming, the people were home but not paying attention obviously
I disbud them for the same reasons. We do it at the vet only because we haven’t done it for long this year we r buying an iron and doing it ourselves any tips on how to do it?
Considering you have such a small piece of property, and that you are home to check on them most of the time, you shouldn't gave to worry about your goats getting caught in the fence.
Do you guys vaccinate your goat at home also or do you take them to the vet. We do this to our goats and it is a hard process and I have watched the goat get dehorned.
I'm more curious why you leave a dog choke chain on your goat (Luna?) while it's running around free. Is that something that is normally off, but was only put on while she was supervised? I know you brought up that removing the horns can prevent a goat from becoming caught in something leading to injury or death, but then have a metal choke chain on your goat that could very well do the same thing if they're not supervised constantly while wearing it...
They pointed out in another video that they have a quick release connection on them and they have also lost their chains before because they released when it was caught on something.
I think goat horns are beautiful! My goats are rescues and were dehormlned before we got them the horns have kinda grown back but their all wonky and curly. I love my babies regardless but horns are beautiful.
Is it possible that they don't like their heads touched because the debudding causes some permanent change in feeling that is uncomfortable? Do goats with horns also dislike their head and/or horns being touched?
I was freaking out i thought you were going kill it and eat it it’s so cute omg my heart ( I personally don’t eat them because they don’t taste very good )
Does it hurt the baby goats because they scream every time you do it it’s a good thing that you’re protecting them by doing that but does it like really hurt their head
I think that goats keeping their horns is a safety risk, especially around small children. Although I do think its sad that it wasnt done when they were first born.
Yeah I think u should keep them on or trim them so there not really big idk u have a pint on trimming them I just feel really bad it seems like it hurts
As a goat owner wanting to do a better job at disbudding (without scurs) I was disappointed that you did not show the entire procedure. You did not actually show the procedure :-( I would really like to know and see more about the cutting out the bud, which I had not seen before.
TH-cam will take down our video if we show it - you can see step by step picture on our website, but since you’re new to this, I highly recommend having a vet come out and teach you.
i understand what you are doing. i had my goat's get their head stuck in cattle panel and in sheep fencing. i just use barb wire spaced every 6 inches and 3 strands of electronic wire to keep them in.
We keep our goats horns on but they are Pygmy so they grow a few inches even thou it’s your decision it’s still alittle cruel and I’m not a hater I luv your channel
I tweeted this as well, but I wasn't sure of the best way to contribute. I read an older article on your blog where you discuss injecting an essential oil (clove?) in to the buds to prevent the growth. I got the impression that it was successful, why back to the burning method?
Now, how do you feel regarding the horns versus predators? Our goats will, of course, be locked up safe at night. However, I live in a high predator risk area. Coyote is a nightly visitor, bears and bobcat frequently, porcupines not as deadly but man they're huge here. Not as common to see these creatures in daylight but very real possibility and we certainly have. Would predator risk change your personal decision to debud?
In your defense, I disbud my goats also. They are screaming as soon as you restrain them in the disbud box. It's a job I dislike but I won't take the chance that one of my grandchildren will get hurt by a playful goat with horns. The way it is now, the grand kids are allowed in the gate to play with the goats as much as they want and everyone is happy, including the goats who get extra lovin'. They really are back to playing and nursing right afterward. This video is one that I watched to help me make that decision. This week: Banding and neutering the males!
We keep the horns just because we haven't got anything to burn it with. But it really is a dangerous thing, if goats have horns. So many ones have fought already against each other, got quite wounded. Besides the could hurt a person by accident too... xD That is but a late comment I give there...xP Love ur vlogs very much!!
i really like your video very nice ,im from the philippines, i've learn so much lesson in taking care of our goats, thanks for sharing your experiences. And to tell you also your so pretty even your a mom.
In my opinion I think removing a goats horns is extremely cruel my goat is perfectly fine having his horns but you obviously love and care for your animals
I think if you have a group of enclosed goats that aren't wild then you should move the horns but if there wild goats then you should leave them on for their protection but other than that they could hurt each other with them so yeah
We have been going to this local farm a lot, and a pregnant goat had to be separated and put near the sheep pen. She batters the fence in. Personally when i have goats, i will dehorn them for their and other animals safety.
While I agree this 'should' be done younger, most of the 'dissenters' below are just knee jerking with the usual 'touchy feely' tripe. I dock and dew claw Aussie pups within 72 hours. Some of them don''t even react. Just like those kids, they mostly cry about being picked up and separated from momma. Put 'em back and they just go about their business.
Staartie de Hond It keeps them healthy and depending on what you use the dog for it prevents injuries and plus my Aussie was born without a tail so stop freaking out it’s natural they were bred to have no tail for hurding purposes it doesn’t hurt them to bad.
Absolute NONSENS. If that would be true all the dogs in a lot of European countries would be chronically ill. Preventing injuries? Taking care of your animal you mean. And sometimes it happens they're born without a tail but that's not natural. It's been bred into them or a freak accident. And EVEN if it IS natural then it's NOT natural for those dogs born WITH a tail. Cutting off parts of an animal is totally insane. You want to keep your dog healthy? Take good care of it.
I mean i think this is right as like you stated horns are not the best to have on a domesticated goat. But still I feel so bad the black marks on there heads looks really sore. But i think it should be done for goats if you raise them in a homestead. But still I feel kinda bad.
Dehorn then that’s my opinion it’s like circumcising a baby. I would give them a treat. I would only do it when they are young. We raised boxer pups and removed the dew claws and tail and it’s no different
Will they always have that mark cause if so I'm not blaming u but the baby goat ( girl ) had a beautiful white coat and it's ruined now with that mark on her head
Our first time having baby goats born we had a friend disbudd them. One of them got tetanus and died. A lot of new goat owners don't realize that risk with dis budding.
People, please do your research before saying these people are cruel. Essentially, the heat damages the horns at an early age, and prevent them from growing. it's similar to having someone cut your hair or nails. So long as you don't burn too deep, the goats are fine, and there's no actual damage done! As for the crying, most of the time, they start crying and such because their afraid of being hurt, which is natural, and they simply can't get away from what they believe is danger. I've done this with a very young goat who didn't cry at all. So, as I said, please do your research before calling them cruel.
There is no need for it that is abuse they were made that way no need for ignorant people to cut them off
Bobbi Becker lol so you would rather them have a lifetime of being in danger from being cut, scratched, poked, eyes being damaged like blindness, teeth knocked out, udders ripped, head butted,rammed etc? Then them go through 4 seconds of pain. I don’t see it as abuse at all. It does depend on the situation though.
I agree
It's literally nothing like getting your hair or nails cut. It's more like getting your nails cut off completely and then burned so they can't grow back. Fingernails are meant to be weathered, just like the teeth of some rodents. That's why they keep growing our whole lives. Goats horns don't keep growing their whole lives. They grow up to a point and then stop. Even trimming goats horns is not necessary or ethical, let alone removing them completely. Maybe you should try doing your research a bit more carefully instead of just believing what you want to be the truth to justify your own actions to yourself.
Hey! I’m not being negative - just curious. Does it burn down to their skin and burn the surface of their skin? I just think about how being burned hurts so bad. But I guess when you think about circumcising little boys that is painful too, but they don’t remember it and is better to do it when they’re young
oh no that's so sad! I don't know that I could do it, but I respect you for doing it for general safety. I understand that it's a precautionary measure by its still so sad !
Macey M. Are you dumb there's never a good reason to do that to any animal
*Ignorant
I am very smart and did listen I still think it is wrong but to each their own not need to be rude
*Bobbi Becker* it is necessary for the safety of EVERYONE it is better to do this to them than constantly being a safety hazard for everyone on the farm. Then can kill each other and themselves with the horns. It is better to let them go through this little pain for 5 seconds then eventually killing each other.
I have never seen an unaltered unnatural goat get hurt on any farm I have been to hundreds none of them ever tortured babies and they were all perfectly fine they told me it's unnecessary and they do it for show I would never get a goat that looked so unnatural and nasty I would much rather have a happy normal and natural one
next time you should try putting an ice pack where you've burned, it helps.
ahh ;-; this is so hard to watch but I completely understand why you guys do it. I wouldn't want my goats to get hurt either, I didn't realize they were dangerous like that.
But they were over it quickly and even though it must've hurt a lot at first it's for their own good.
It hurts for only a split second, then the nerves are destroyed. It's like a third degree burn, it doesn't hurt. The goats are much more upset about being restrained in a box away from their mothers. Let them out of the box and back with mom and they're happy again.
@Hael Hess. I know! I felt sad watching lol Their okay though 🐐
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People in comments saying this is bad, it isn't, even a few minutes after you see them running and playing with their little fluffy tails wagging. So stop whining, it is better for them.
They are only upset because they don't like being trapped in a box away from their mother. The pain is momentary. As soon as the heat burns the area around the horn it kills the nerves that can register pain so it simply feels numb.
s cass really didn’t you even watch the video? Horns are the same as nails, just larger. It hurts you to clip your nails? I had a baby that her toe nails curled into her toes, should I not have clipped her toe nails? It hurt.
Like children get there ears pierced when there young just imagine it like that but for baby goats
We let them keep their horns, yes they do sometimes get the horns stuck in the fence , but it's no big deal to me because I keep a close eye on our animals. Their horns are their only weapon ( not much of a weapon, but just the looks of the horns might deter predators ) I have only been hit with one horn so far and it was an accident, goats are some what like dogs if you raise them from babies they are pretty tame.
Good point! no pun intended!
Weed 'em & Reap The only time one of our Billies hit me with a horn, I had pulled his ear, (they don't seem to like that?) and he twisted his head and hit my hand, the funny thing was I had an Egg in that hand and the egg went all over his face and my hand, I thought it was funny ( : he had egg on his face!.
Goats with horns can hurt another goat or take out your eye purely by accident. I hope you never have to put down a doe because her udder was ripped beyond repair by another goat in play. It has happened.
Shivani Arjuna accidents happen. horns or no horns. hooves can be very dangerous, too. shall we burn them off, too?
Have you seen the videos on this channel where they trim the goats' hooves? It's for the good of the goats, just as disbudding is for their own good.
It looks like it is very painful for the goat. You're burning its head it must hurt so much.
yet it doesn't. no harm was done to the goat. if you are a goat owner, then your baby goats must cry alot. we humans as babies cry. the goat was not crying because it was harmed, but if you take a baby away from his mother, he\she will cry. this is what happened with the goat.
it probably did hurt. but not as you say, the goat is perfectly fine as we see after this being done
what are they doing
The Awesome Hybrid 95 They burn the area around their horns so that they won't grow.
The iron numbs the area pretty quickly. The goat is only is pain for a few moments.
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I give my Goats banamine before the procedure... for pain.
I'm not sure if you're aware, but disbudding can actually kill pygmy breeds very easily, as the heat can make the brain expand causing them to die. I understand doing it for larger breeds, but it's too high a risk for me
I love the bucklings color! We always disbudd them unless the owner wants horns. Our only horned goat is our first dairy goat that we can't bear to sell. I do find that during the summer she stays cool even with a shaggy coat. We also can not show horned dairy goats at fair.
Do the horns help cool her somehow?
Yes, there are large blood vessels that are in the horn. They help regulate their body temperature. Plus she also scratches her back with her horns.
"Wrong mommy!"
Makes for adorable dialogue, in or out of context.
Not a big fan of dehorning, but it’s owner’s choice. 🤷♀️
Breanna Springer can I just say that I love the fact that you stated your opinion but u weren’t rude with it :)
We need more people like u when opinions differ.
sometimes you just have to cowboy up.
No, I agree for safety purposes.
Good job by the way.
Thanks!
Animals are so resilient. I listened to a TED talk with Mike Rowe and he talked about a sheep farmer that would castrate with a knife. He asked wouldn't it be more humane to band them?? The man said when they get banded , they can barely walk for 3 days and until it is done they are depressed and in serious pain. When you cut them they are in pain for a matter of minutes and quickly back to being happy sheep. Animals don't dwell on pain like humans do, they just keep on trucking!! Ever seen a 3 legged dog? They run as if life is amazing, not bothered by a missing leg!! I wish we coukd be more like animals in that way !
I love these vlogs. I appreciate you showing the goat disbudding and how the babies were "over it" pretty quickly. While it may be controversial, it is safer for some situations. You can't argue with wagging tails! We are hoping to get goats this year and you are our most trusted source for goat info. I laugh every time I see your insert for "why you need goats now". Yes! I need goats! I will be reviewing your blog and vlog to refresh my knowledge. Thank you for all of that!
Also, you are funny with your labels and organization. I am a bit OCD with it myself :0)
That's nice of you to say! I'm happy to meet another organization nut like you!
Wagging tails can have loads of meanings. It isnt jsut when they are happy. Animals hide their pain very well, too. Disbudding is horribly painful. Horns, especially budding horns, are full of blood vessels and nerves. This is not a necessary practice, at all.
The same can be said of many things done to both livestock and humans such as circumcisions, castration, piercings, vaccines, surgeries...the list is endless. In the end, it is a personal choice that is usually made with the best intention in mind. The best choice for one person isn't always going to be universal.
Disbudding causes third degree burns around the horn. There are many nerves, yes, but these are killed by the heat. Ask a human what a third degree burn feels like and they'll tell you it's not painful at all because those pain receptors are dead. The area simply feels numb.
i feel so badly for them but i do think its necessary for small homesteads and farms. i wish they could get some anesthetic, can you put ice packs on it right after? i got a label maker for xmas, lol. i am very organized too, plus i am good at sorting. i am constantly making piles of stuff to donate or toss so we dont outgrow our very tiny space.
We show dairy goats and ADGA will not allow them to be shown with horns. I can draw blood, trim hooves, give boluses (most of the time), neuter males and give shots. But I'm with you, disbudding is definitely the most distasteful thing we have to do!
Same here. I absolutely hate disbudding especially since it has to be done on the little ones. On the flip side we had horned goats and my daughter got hooked in the corner of the eye. It was an accident as the goat was not being mean just swatting a fly. Also our horned goat got another goats ear and ripped it from the very top to the bottom. It was awful. It bled so bad and the ear couldn't be repaired. It healed as two flaps.
Nope could not do that . I only have two females at the moment and am happy for them to keep there horns . I am never more than a few hours away and they live by the house so I can watch them .
Is there any painkiller you can put on their skin after shaving them, before burning the area? Like lidocaine?
Nancy Collins there's no pain though.. it's like saying your hair or nails have nerves. it might be uncomfortable at most due to the high heat, that's about it. so long as you don't go too deep, that is. which it seems they were really shallow compared to most goats.
Ummm, let's see you burn your nails done to the skin and then let us know if it hurts or not. I get that this may be necessary to do but let's not pretend it does not hurt the animal.
meikoblock It's not the same, mate. so long as you don't burn too far, it won't hurt them.
+bluelef wagging tails can be a sign of fear, upset and pain. These arent dogs.
+Sam Ward Horns, all horns, have blood and nerves in them. Please, stop spreading this misinformation. Horns are NOT the same as fingernails on humans. They are more like dog toenails. There is a "quick" inside. Google "goat horn anatomy" and you will see. Buds are especially sensitive. They burn them out because it also stops the bleeding. There are toosl to cut the buds out, but there is a lot of blood. Burning solves that problem. All methods of horn removal are incredibly painful.
I'd let them keep them. Keep em wild. To me it comes with the territory.
But they live in a suburban area, if they had their horns and they got out, imagine if they gutted someone, or even hung themselves, like the video said
I too would like to poke my mom's boobs and my brothers eyes. Maybe when I get old I'd kill myself with my own horn.
Says the person who isn't raising goats in a confined yard....smh
I couldn't watch but I'm sure it's necessary. Hopefully there's some anesthesia that could be applied topically or just around where the burning takes place by injection. I'm sure there are nerves in the area and the baby goats feel that pain and it's sad but it does seem overall like a necessary procedure for a domestic goat. Kinda like being circumcised.
I been using dehorning paste and I have had 50% success even though I just started. Next time I'm going to shave the hair around the horn then apply the paste. There was one horn that did not grow 100% on one baby goat. Dehorning paste has to be applied when they are first born.
Cool! I haven't tried the paste.
Have you ever had the burning method not work and the goat still have disformed horns grow? We had that happen. The breeder burnt them but they still grew a bit. They had it happen to a goat that they kept also.
A few times, yes. But if you do it correctly it can be avoided:)
Might I offer a suggestion? If the gap in the wire is too small for their horns to get through, you wouldn’t have to dehorn them.
This video was a whiiiile ago but, When I dehorn our babies we put a bag of ice or freezed gel on the wounds, it helps!
Just like human babies getting their baby shots. It might hurt in the moment but forgotten just as fast.
You were way ahead on the dollar store organizational stuff on TH-cam which is hilarious considering they have their own category of youtubers now?! Haha
OMG you covered a baby crib into hay feeder..... clever cool mod
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I don't know i have mixed emotions about burning off goat's horns because they were born with them so they should keep them? I guess. But also it is safer with there horns burned off😀😬 like if you feel the same way
Luna... Baaaack in my day... 😊😅
we saw a little goat stuck in a fence once when we were going past a farm on the way to my parents back when they were still alive and actually we were on our way to Thanksgiving so it's kinda ironic I am watching this on Thanksgiving but anyway, I said we gotta go back and we turned around and went back and got him unstuck and he ran off screaming, the people were home but not paying attention obviously
You said that you haven’t found a vet that disbuds, I’m curious why they won’t do it? Could you elaborate? Thanks.
Aww the sheep & duck is SOO CUTE :3
Some species don't have horns, and some species horns roll back so they can't attack each other
I disbud them for the same reasons. We do it at the vet only because we haven’t done it for long this year we r buying an iron and doing it ourselves any tips on how to do it?
Considering you have such a small piece of property, and that you are home to check on them most of the time, you shouldn't gave to worry about your goats getting caught in the fence.
3:50 who noticed the baby goat tryna drink from the sheep? 😂😂
Just found your channel, subbed and liked.
Thank you!
Do you guys vaccinate your goat at home also or do you take them to the vet. We do this to our goats and it is a hard process and I have watched the goat get dehorned.
Our LaMancha keeps growing scurrs and he keeps ripping them off. Definitely we always disbud
I'm more curious why you leave a dog choke chain on your goat (Luna?) while it's running around free. Is that something that is normally off, but was only put on while she was supervised? I know you brought up that removing the horns can prevent a goat from becoming caught in something leading to injury or death, but then have a metal choke chain on your goat that could very well do the same thing if they're not supervised constantly while wearing it...
They pointed out in another video that they have a quick release connection on them and they have also lost their chains before because they released when it was caught on something.
I think goat horns are beautiful! My goats are rescues and were dehormlned before we got them the horns have kinda grown back but their all wonky and curly. I love my babies regardless but horns are beautiful.
Is it possible that they don't like their heads touched because the debudding causes some permanent change in feeling that is uncomfortable? Do goats with horns also dislike their head and/or horns being touched?
It's the same when they have horns.
What do you do with the wool after butchering a sheep?
It works pretty well for the chicken to nest in and lay eggs.
I'm so late to the party but I'm curious. Once the horns are healed up from being disbudded, does hair grow into that place?
Great vid! But your duck is a male! Not being rude or anything your videos are great!
I was freaking out i thought you were going kill it and eat it it’s so cute omg my heart ( I personally don’t eat them because they don’t taste very good )
They nursing stuff you showed, are those goat books? If they are what are the titles?
Does it hurt the baby goats because they scream every time you do it it’s a good thing that you’re protecting them by doing that but does it like really hurt their head
I think that goats keeping their horns is a safety risk, especially around small children. Although I do think its sad that it wasnt done when they were first born.
This was like the saddest thing I've ever seen but I've also seen worse but like I knew this was for the better I'm still sad about it though 🥺
Yeah I think u should keep them on or trim them so there not really big idk u have a pint on trimming them I just feel really bad it seems like it hurts
As a goat owner wanting to do a better job at disbudding (without scurs) I was disappointed that you did not show the entire procedure. You did not actually show the procedure :-( I would really like to know and see more about the cutting out the bud, which I had not seen before.
TH-cam will take down our video if we show it - you can see step by step picture on our website, but since you’re new to this, I highly recommend having a vet come out and teach you.
They cry anytime u restrain them. Keep up good work. Love the information you provide. I guess people would prefer them hurting each other later.
They don't . Only Americans believe that. We have goats with horns all over here, even at pet farms and they AND the children are perfectly fine.
Wait, does it hurt, or do they just feel it a little bit?
i understand what you are doing.
i had my goat's get their head stuck in cattle panel and in sheep fencing.
i just use barb wire spaced every 6 inches and 3 strands of electronic wire to keep them in.
i have noticed one of my goats about a year old has started to grow scurs, can they be re-burned?
I think so....we haven't had to do it that old
What is the right age or the right time to burn the horns of the goats
We keep our goats horns on but they are Pygmy so they grow a few inches even thou it’s your decision it’s still alittle cruel and I’m not a hater I luv your channel
I tweeted this as well, but I wasn't sure of the best way to contribute. I read an older article on your blog where you discuss injecting an essential oil (clove?) in to the buds to prevent the growth. I got the impression that it was successful, why back to the burning method?
We do clove oil if we're going to raise them, and disbud when selling.
Now, how do you feel regarding the horns versus predators? Our goats will, of course, be locked up safe at night. However, I live in a high predator risk area. Coyote is a nightly visitor, bears and bobcat frequently, porcupines not as deadly but man they're huge here. Not as common to see these creatures in daylight but very real possibility and we certainly have. Would predator risk change your personal decision to debud?
In your defense, I disbud my goats also. They are screaming as soon as you restrain them in the disbud box. It's a job I dislike but I won't take the chance that one of my grandchildren will get hurt by a playful goat with horns. The way it is now, the grand kids are allowed in the gate to play with the goats as much as they want and everyone is happy, including the goats who get extra lovin'. They really are back to playing and nursing right afterward.
This video is one that I watched to help me make that decision.
This week: Banding and neutering the males!
Thanks Jeannie, I agree.
I know you guys try your best to take good care of your guys pets .
There is something about de-cluttering and organizing that makes you feel so good. Do you put antibiotic ointment on the burned area? tfs
Thanks. They have always healed up real nice for us over the years.
Do you think organic Alovera gel would help cool them when you’re done?
Do they get spinal problems with the weight of them?
SolidMethid Games Never heard of it happening.
We keep the horns just because we haven't got anything to burn it with. But it really is a dangerous thing, if goats have horns. So many ones have fought already against each other, got quite wounded. Besides the could hurt a person by accident too... xD That is but a late comment I give there...xP Love ur vlogs very much!!
i really like your video very nice ,im from the philippines, i've learn so much lesson in taking care of our goats, thanks for sharing your experiences. And to tell you also your so pretty even your a mom.
around here people have to leave their horns, because of preditors.
Wow, that's crazy!
Coyotes are bad, and are breeding with feral dogs making coyodogs. It's bad down here in Kentucky
Alexis' Fishin', Huntin', and Farming Show oh no
In my opinion I think removing a goats horns is extremely cruel my goat is perfectly fine having his horns but you obviously love and care for your animals
Does it hurt when they get disbuded
"We put lipstick on cause we so fancy"😂😂😂
I think if you have a group of enclosed goats that aren't wild then you should move the horns but if there wild goats then you should leave them on for their protection but other than that they could hurt each other with them so yeah
I couldn't do it!!☹️
I think if hornless goats are desired they should be bred, not horned goats disbudded. Freak accidents happen regardless of horns.
Its fine. It would be better if it was done when younger. Around here they usually do it when about 24 to 48 hours old.
The duck and the sheep so cute. I feel bad the babby goats have there horn got took off
Does it hurt them because it look like it does
We have been going to this local farm a lot, and a pregnant goat had to be separated and put near the sheep pen. She batters the fence in. Personally when i have goats, i will dehorn them for their and other animals safety.
Do they feel it or is it like cutting nails?
Poor babies is there any blood if so I can’t handle it I think ima do this to mine though if I ever get any
While I agree this 'should' be done younger, most of the 'dissenters' below are just knee jerking with the usual 'touchy feely' tripe. I dock and dew claw Aussie pups within 72 hours. Some of them don''t even react. Just like those kids, they mostly cry about being picked up and separated from momma. Put 'em back and they just go about their business.
And why would you dock a pup? Leave those tails alone. There's a reason they have them. So weird for people just cutting off parts of an animal.
Staartie de Hond
It keeps them healthy and depending on what you use the dog for it prevents injuries and plus my Aussie was born without a tail so stop freaking out it’s natural they were bred to have no tail for hurding purposes it doesn’t hurt them to bad.
Absolute NONSENS. If that would be true all the dogs in a lot of European countries would be chronically ill. Preventing injuries? Taking care of your animal you mean. And sometimes it happens they're born without a tail but that's not natural. It's been bred into them or a freak accident. And EVEN if it IS natural then it's NOT natural for those dogs born WITH a tail. Cutting off parts of an animal is totally insane. You want to keep your dog healthy? Take good care of it.
Do you only have to do this once and they never come in?
I leave my goats horns on for many one of them is because so they can scratch themselves but your reason was very good to
I mean i think this is right as like you stated horns are not the best to have on a domesticated goat. But still I feel so bad the black marks on there heads looks really sore. But i think it should be done for goats if you raise them in a homestead. But still I feel kinda bad.
i know it kinda has to be done, but it makes me so sad to hear them cry.
Dehorn then that’s my opinion it’s like circumcising a baby. I would give them a treat. I would only do it when they are young. We raised boxer pups and removed the dew claws and tail and it’s no different
If your goat's horns are getting stuck in the fence, the problem is the fence, not the horns.
Will they always have that mark cause if so I'm not blaming u but the baby goat ( girl ) had a beautiful white coat and it's ruined now with that mark on her head
Where do you sell your goats? I’m interested!
We don't have any for sale right now
Yes but when the horns get to long cut them but baby goats look so cute with little baby horns
At what age do you do this?
I've got a polled buck in hopes I only have to do half the kids lol . #wishful thinking, but I'll disbud if needed as well.
Our first time having baby goats born we had a friend disbudd them. One of them got tetanus and died. A lot of new goat owners don't realize that risk with dis budding.
If your friend had done it correctly, tetanus could not have occurred. The area is cauterized.
Locust Creek Farm thats becuse the friend did'nt do it well
Can't you use lidocaine injections?
Love the duck on the sheep haha looks comfty. Poor baby goats but its for the best x
Can a goat defend itself from a coyote if it has horns?
Not even with horns, the coyote will win anyway
No. But, don't worry! Coyotes are very rare in the area the goats live. They are in no danger.