Alternate Picking Vs Economy Picking - DragonForce Herman Li & Jason Richardson All That Remains

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  • @tylerm8145
    @tylerm8145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    5:03
    "Yeah................yeah."
    "Yeah."
    "Yeah."
    This is all very good and insightful shit tho

  • @louisanthony266
    @louisanthony266 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Look at those 2 legends just chatting away about legend thing.

  • @ebmusicman1635
    @ebmusicman1635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I bought all of Jasons tabs and would definitely recommend it, a very good learning tool to say the least! Also very true about UG, must spend a good chunk of time correcting tabs to be playable and more ergonomic.

  • @spoon4peace
    @spoon4peace 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    All That Remains opened for DragonForce when I saw them live in '06 following the release of Inhuman Rampage. Can't believe that was 14 years ago, wow.

  • @1000BrokenKeys
    @1000BrokenKeys 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    playing more than 8 different pitches per second is the human ear threshold to distinguish them from each other, otherwise only direction of travel and top and bottom notes in a phrase can be perceived. Hence, double up on repetition by alternate picking, or downpick with palmmute for that uncompromising pick attack. To promote effortless execution, use grouped/chunking twitching movements from the wrist. Use the arm and shoulder primarily to stabilise the picking hand.

  • @rodrigofranco3716
    @rodrigofranco3716 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Herman,there's a Brazilian guitarist called Roberto Barros now he is playing with Edu Falaschi, he has a very advanced alternated picking technique and He developed a revolutionary method, if you could invite him it would be amazing !!!

  • @lucasjames5682
    @lucasjames5682 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    YOOOOOO I feel like you two should have a permanent show. I feel like Herman Li and Jason Richardson are like two of only a small few people who pushed the envelope on pure old school metal shredding in the 2000s, and honestly of these guys were probably alot of peoples first guitar player who made them say "Okay I did not know that was fucking possible until right now". There's been alot of good guitarists in the 2000s but in terms of just straight setting the fretboard on fire balls to the walls speed metal shredding these two are the ones whove kept that spirit alive in a big way

    • @coggenstein
      @coggenstein 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I only found out who Jason Richardson was a week ago, now I'm obsessed with him I'm looking at guitar world videos featuring him, interviews with him. He is the first guitarist that made me want to try music for a career because he is a modern shredder making money from tabs and songs and he is so good to learn from. I've completely changed my own guitar playing style in the week that I've been listening to his music

  • @fsantos1595
    @fsantos1595 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Hey Herman invite Roberto Barros. The most brutal alternate picking from the last 4.54 billion years. 😈🤘🖤

    • @asadhollow6477
      @asadhollow6477 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Man you are sucking Roberto like a joruto

  • @dylanedwards2056
    @dylanedwards2056 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was once one of those turds on a comment section on a JR vid and I deeply regret falling into it 😫 been trying to be a more positive person and not cave to a troll and dive into the keyboard war ever since. Love this excerpt I need to sub to Herman on Twitch. Jason gives such great insight into has technique and the application and reasoning of it here. Love his playing and analysis of the music that he creates

  • @RobertoBarros
    @RobertoBarros 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you all for remind of me in the middle of this titans of guitar talk

  • @marcelokuczura9660
    @marcelokuczura9660 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Roberto Barros Cyborg the best alternate picking the universe.

  • @laurobs8
    @laurobs8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Herman, invite Roberto Barros... World deserves to know him. He has an awesome sharp technique and he is an awesome person.
    Regards!

  • @DavidNwokoye
    @DavidNwokoye 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    7:16 SOOOO TRUE 😂😂😂

    • @th6n
      @th6n 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You are everywhere.

    • @megacahh870
      @megacahh870 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha

    • @risingstorm679
      @risingstorm679 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@th6n you too

    • @OkyioBlack
      @OkyioBlack 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You changed your profile pic and now I don't know who you are anymore

  • @interficiam
    @interficiam 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This video is waaaay too advanced for me. I'm here like "What are alternate and economy picking?" But I like the guitar playing :D

    • @TheTom951guitar
      @TheTom951guitar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Alternative is like, picking down up down up down up down
      Economy is more like down up down down up down down up. Just the 2nd down changes string and gets a sweepy effect.

    • @dr.cronik0_038
      @dr.cronik0_038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheTom951guitar thanks for that, had no idea what economy was.

    • @aidilmubarock5394
      @aidilmubarock5394 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      When you move to different strings you can :
      - Move your pick up and down aka. alternate picking or
      - Doing mini sweep ex. up up/down down picking(way less movement/economic picking)

  • @AWM8
    @AWM8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very Interesting. Never heard about economy picking before.

  • @da-gamer2017
    @da-gamer2017 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love you guys, so cool

  • @souravgarg2873
    @souravgarg2873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your thoughts on SWYBRID picking? I guess it put no limits on the amount of even/odd combinations you might come across while crossing strings.

  • @pedrocam
    @pedrocam 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    You need to know Roberto Barros. He is a guitar monster and have an insane alternate picking technique.

  • @JPkulotTV
    @JPkulotTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    wow. I wish i could play like that.

    • @thestibblr6637
      @thestibblr6637 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      learn

    • @Growlizing
      @Growlizing 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish I could, but I will never put in the time required now that I have a full time job.

    • @k.a.m_dh9959
      @k.a.m_dh9959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thestibblr6637 honestly don't think I thought of that

  • @YUGENofficiaI
    @YUGENofficiaI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:55 Follow the signs 🔥

  • @richardwilliams3497
    @richardwilliams3497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Might just buy his tabs to support him, not anywhere near playing that fast but I feel like musicians especially now need the support

  • @andersonhenrique9616
    @andersonhenrique9616 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Hello Herman, Do you know Roberto Barros Cyborg !? He is the Brazilian guitarist for Edu Falaschi's band and has a very good concept of alternate picking, I would love it if you invited him to talk about it.

  • @unclelelax8341
    @unclelelax8341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Economy for Effortless Speed... Everytime I hear economy picking I remember Rick Graham's WTF lick

  • @GrimmMusic
    @GrimmMusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:59 That sounded like "Sea of lies" from Symphony X

  • @1mateussuetam
    @1mateussuetam 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    6:56 I have really, really sure that I heard this before... not this specific solo, but all this pattern reminds me from Angra so much

    • @chapalivre
      @chapalivre 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Live and learn

    • @1mateussuetam
      @1mateussuetam 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chapalivre no, I think that it's from the Kiko's dvds

  • @cesaremacaro8961
    @cesaremacaro8961 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    You should invite Roberto Barros!!! Search for him, he has a revolutionary technique about alternate picking and also a great person to play guitar with!

  • @plebplane5037
    @plebplane5037 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    9:27 *looks at guitars in the background

  • @kerryh8er04
    @kerryh8er04 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did not expect to come to a metal guitar music theory lecture. Still cool to listen too.

  • @wyeth1023
    @wyeth1023 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Now get Rick Graham on xD

  • @Celestial_Being666
    @Celestial_Being666 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason Richardson is one of modern metals best

  • @davewebster5120
    @davewebster5120 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason is that guy.

  • @jaysonfoy4486
    @jaysonfoy4486 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the videos

  • @jaysonfoy4486
    @jaysonfoy4486 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi herman li 🤘 I am a big fan!

  • @jparkerriffs
    @jparkerriffs 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    super sick

  • @unclelelax8341
    @unclelelax8341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Herman Interview Rick Graham...

  • @sahirytube
    @sahirytube 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know how to play guitar but still watching this. Just my passion for music is strong.

  • @svencro
    @svencro 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:08 yeah...yeah...yeah...

  • @mattmartian1658
    @mattmartian1658 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Economy or alternate?
    I use BAD picking. Its a mixture of both with a few unnecessary picking strokes thrown in for fun.

  • @Daves-not-here
    @Daves-not-here 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally would love to buy pdf tabs for Dragonforce songs. Esspecially the bass parts. I am novice bass player but love the music so being able to get the sheet music from the source would be absolutely amazing

  • @D-Man_Jam
    @D-Man_Jam 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Downpicking: _"hey."_

  • @theunpretentiousvegan8593
    @theunpretentiousvegan8593 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two legends are talking about guitar and playing amazing scales, and I'm infatuated with chat talking about all the sports they've played.

  • @SupeHero00
    @SupeHero00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about Pick Slanting?

  • @lucasjames5682
    @lucasjames5682 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has anyone noticed that when jason played that slow riff he sounded literally liek Michael Romeo from Symphony X?

    • @tmmmedia731
      @tmmmedia731 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Love them! One of the few bands I saw live before I knew who they were and stuck with me

  • @leonardocavalcante278
    @leonardocavalcante278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Your don't know Roberto Barros Brazilian guitarist
    Don't are prepared for this

  • @Blockpit
    @Blockpit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    BASS is the answer! No picking😎

    • @dragonforce
      @dragonforce  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hahahaha!

    • @-GameHacKeR-
      @-GameHacKeR- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dragonforce only slappp, $105.04 richer now, bass incoming ?

    • @Blockpit
      @Blockpit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dragonforce this reply is a big deal for me, I'm taking a screenshot and hanging it on my wall. I love you all. ❤️😭🌈

    • @cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988
      @cypherbrittainnethegodofsl4988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No picking, only SLAPP or TAPP

  • @vilanaga740
    @vilanaga740 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Run..... Thats an octopus. Alien !!!! Aaaahhhhhh

  • @obayaljaber8598
    @obayaljaber8598 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    this video will torture davie 504

    • @cenningitis2910
      @cenningitis2910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Any "guitar" topics would torture Davie, especially with Herman in it

    • @obayaljaber8598
      @obayaljaber8598 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cenningitis2910 he will pay for insulting the guitar.
      That's my promise

    • @-GameHacKeR-
      @-GameHacKeR- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@obayaljaber8598 He paid already, 105 usd american dollars $$ for Herman Li to play the bass and he still didn't that stream

    • @JR-vp6yg
      @JR-vp6yg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@-GameHacKeR- I think Herman cannot play bass. Or he's afraid to be humiliated. 🤔😅

    • @-GameHacKeR-
      @-GameHacKeR- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JR-vp6yg I've had that same thought as well but even if true Herman Li is very skilled and easily learn, He could teach himself or since is also well connected with alot of other artists he could learn from a professional bassist. Also since Herman Li has shown the bass he got he could already be doing some quick lessons online with some of his friends ;) Can't wait to see what comes from this forced collab XD Gonna be EPIC

  • @gabrieljosesilvaledo
    @gabrieljosesilvaledo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    roberto barros is the most amazing guy in the alternate picking that the world has ever seen, please call him

  • @dmitriystoyanov933
    @dmitriystoyanov933 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Playstaition One.. This is my childhood. Cool.

  • @addictstudios875
    @addictstudios875 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dope

  • @luisrened1308
    @luisrened1308 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Herman li is the king

  • @ed209v6
    @ed209v6 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use all three, alternate, sweep and economy.

  • @DerAykac
    @DerAykac 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whos that Cyborg good at again? Can someone pls tell me?

  • @vethwynwetfeather
    @vethwynwetfeather 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you want to expand the picking conversation you should consider Andy Wood. 🤘

  • @-GameHacKeR-
    @-GameHacKeR- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    dude you you gotta play the bass, Davie504 even gave you some nice usd american dollars XD legit he did.

  • @rokenrol17
    @rokenrol17 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg..this video is one of my dreams come true moment..but too bad they dont play something together

  • @sisoybueno28
    @sisoybueno28 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did i heard Follow The Signs solo? 👀🔥

  • @ConstantineM
    @ConstantineM 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why not legato?

  • @ecudava
    @ecudava 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rhapsody ,!!! Ahhhhh rrrrrchhhh!!!

  • @anindyaroythetechmaster
    @anindyaroythetechmaster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are you afraid of playing the Bass?

  • @leltraco1983
    @leltraco1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Swybryd picking is the next step.

  • @ripit.3457
    @ripit.3457 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah yes, the first 8 or 9 comments are about the same guy. If he’s that common of a goal, do it herman. Brazilians *never* disappoint. Both players, and crowds.

  • @carazy123_
    @carazy123_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOO TITANFALL FAN LETS GO

  • @TelipatiEvolustions
    @TelipatiEvolustions 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like shopping picking

  • @Tucanazo69
    @Tucanazo69 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should invite Paul Gilbert

  • @woozy96
    @woozy96 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    stonks picking

  • @CarlosMartinez-dh3hc
    @CarlosMartinez-dh3hc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think he probably uses economy without even knowing it most of the time

  • @carlosgtrs4175
    @carlosgtrs4175 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Roberto Barros Cyborg all the way !

  • @rexpianovega
    @rexpianovega 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    0: all that remains lml, six

  • @jygogaming3550
    @jygogaming3550 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interview Jacky vincent

  • @docong89
    @docong89 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    105$ is too little ?

  • @th6n
    @th6n 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Herman expects Davie to play underwater first, while Davie expects Herman to play bass first.

    • @th6n
      @th6n 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @我爱你我爱你 They aren't that similar. It was hard for me to start playing bass, after 2 years of guitar and drums. Maybe it is just me.

  • @ConstantineM
    @ConstantineM 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Alternative picking vs legato.

  • @neurotica5461
    @neurotica5461 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i cant do both

  • @sumit9589
    @sumit9589 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Only economy picking

  • @braydendunlap9597
    @braydendunlap9597 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does jason play better fast than slow? It's the opposite for me

  • @albroz6731
    @albroz6731 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tf is wrong with those bots of Roberto Barros or whatever his name is, he's nowhere near Jason's technique , if you really want someone that comes close to his alternate picking or that is maybe even better ,that would be Stephen Taranto.

  • @creeped_reaper2066
    @creeped_reaper2066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hi

  • @ashkithara2396
    @ashkithara2396 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why does his voice sound like ben shapiro

    • @adamguitar1498
      @adamguitar1498 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're probably watching the video on 2x speed

  • @g_G___
    @g_G___ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    105 usd,play the bass now..

  • @ethanjto
    @ethanjto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm glad Jason does his own tabs, I bought the whole Mega Bundle and it's really good material for serious players. I also bought Polyphia tabs, but besides the ones Tim does for his solo stuff, it has tons of errors compared to how they play it because they pay a transcriber.

    • @AzureTears
      @AzureTears ปีที่แล้ว

      this might coonfuse you but polyphia play their own songs live differently. For example, 40oz is alternate picked in the studio version, but according to Tim, it's too unrealistic to pull off every single time live since he's not an alternate picking god like richardson, so he sweeps it instead. I'd imagine they play a lot of songs differently live because the studio versions are sometimes just too much. Almost every advanced technical guitarist does this, I've noticed Abasi play the woven web differently almost every time live for some reason.

    • @ethanjto
      @ethanjto ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AzureTears I've seen them change it up a bit in live recordings, but some of the tabs are just straight up wrong notes lol. Even when Tim does his tutorials, it's different than the tabs.

    • @AzureTears
      @AzureTears ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ethanjto Yeah, because the tabs are probably the studio recorded version whereas his tutorials are how he actually plays them live.

  • @JbfMusicGuitar
    @JbfMusicGuitar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hot take: the TH-cam comments section is way better than it used to be. Case in point, this comment section.

  • @wesshepard
    @wesshepard 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s official... Herman is a random picker.

  • @benjaminr.3588
    @benjaminr.3588 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember when Davie504 donated you

  • @cris_horizons
    @cris_horizons 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was studying with paul gilbert long time ago and i always practice ap, but these days i realize the trhuth o ep is better , natural and eficient

  • @yasminealice
    @yasminealice 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    PLAY BASS.

  • @DavidMadeira29
    @DavidMadeira29 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pedal to the metal and others late sandwiches...

  • @fanvoid21
    @fanvoid21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    WTH DID YOU SAY TO DAVIE AT TWICH??? ArE yOu aFraiD???¡??????

  • @adeyoung3117
    @adeyoung3117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    alternate better

  • @muhammadihsanhabibi4393
    @muhammadihsanhabibi4393 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Donation reject

  • @peeyushsn8510
    @peeyushsn8510 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Stop ignoring Davie504 and play the bass

  • @MrJohncraciun
    @MrJohncraciun 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mmmmmm the laziness

  • @carlosbrandom.
    @carlosbrandom. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Más de 12 años que se creó la banda y se ve que ah Herman aún le cuesta trabajo hablar inglés

  • @GaFurBLikss
    @GaFurBLikss 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    From indonesia

  • @tmmmedia731
    @tmmmedia731 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jason is amazing but he can not improvise. He can only play songs.

  • @1974benzw115
    @1974benzw115 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Herman Li: Economy P I C C
    Jason Richardson: Alternate P I C C
    Davie504: P I C C is illegal

  • @opmysha7469
    @opmysha7469 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    im the 32nd view

  • @marcocedeno8605
    @marcocedeno8605 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Davie504

  • @ArthurSantosgt
    @ArthurSantosgt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Roberto Barros Cyborg the best alternate picking the universe.