The most amazing thing is the so called 60s politicians never lean from their mistakes. All current problems came from mistakes of politicians of this generation. They are still messing up instead of revealing the truth and teach the young generation abt their mistakes.
Lidetu spoke what we young generations have been saying. Igziabiher ke midre gets lay yatifachihu inante awurewoch... hagerituan be tiraznetekinet izih yaderesachihut inante nachihu.
It sounds like a political debate between a dad and son over a family dinner. It's harsh but with good heart! I know Lidetu’s goodwill, but this discussion has led me to hold a good impression about Yared and his emotional intelligence!
Lidetu Ayalew is the best poletitian ever happen to Ethiopia, but GOD donot allowed it because the people of Ethiopia we donot diserve good because we are evil to evil to our brother and sisters look your heart every one of you your heart is black .
Interesting discussion. Two key points emerge. Firstly, adequate preparation is crucial before engaging in discussions with Lidetu. Many notable individuals, like Dr. Yonas, Ermias, Yared, and Meskerem, have failed miserably in the debate. Dr. Mesay was a notable exception who equally challenged him. Secondly, Ato Yared should acknowledge the ideological element of that generation while also highlighting other positive aspects of the struggle.
Your idea is bad. This debate should be about finding truth, as in to identify problem and suggest solution. There's no need for special preparation, let's figure things out. There's no winner or loser here. If it was election campaign, I understand, everyone should prepare to win. But this is not just that. Your thinking is toxic, examine yourself.
@@ethiocomment1707You must be a certified moron. Since when did a recommendation to get prepared for a debate interpreted as "bad", "toxic"? Preparation enhances the quality of discussion, sheds light on issues, and shows respect to the audience that matches their fame and title. Individuals who fail to recognize this simple fact display absolute ignorance and lack shame. One of the "beauty" of social media is to release unfounded frustrations be it good or bad.
Preparation is good but your idea was preparation to be a winner in this debate, which is toxic. You still didn't get it, your optics is painted with winning and losing the debate, that's not cool.
Try to analyse the reactions between the two peoples carefully. As a sample observe the reactions during the following periods/minutes of the discussion:- 31:00 - 33:10 and 54:00 - 1:08:20. You can take any section of the discussions .... then try not to judge yourself.
It’s interesting discussion or debate between the two gentlemen. Observation: -As usual, Lidetu proved again that he was knowledgeable, pragmatic, and clear in his message. -He showed a great patience, respect, and discipline vis-a-vis his counterpart. -He proved to really represent the young generation, a generation free of the baggage of communism. -Proved again that he was not a kind of politician bent on blaming everything that happened in the past/previous regimes. On the other hand, I found Ato Yared very defensive. But, I would like to appreciate him for being open for debates as opposed to those arrogant, but lack confidence & courage to engage in debate with Ato Lidetu. Be it as it may, thank you all.
There are two important pieces of information Ato Lidettu overlooks when he discusses the generation of the 1960's and '70's. His criticism of them for embracing Marxism as an ideology lacks the proper context of analysis and judgement. First, HIM government was highly restrictive and even repressive to political speech and organization. Therefore, the Emperor left little room for moderate and liberal voices to emerge and organize. Discussing Ethiopian politics openly and freely was near impossible. When the door and window of a room are closed, persons inside will be forced to break down the wall to go out. That is one main reason why that Generation was forced to break down Ethiopian traditional way of life with the bludgeon of Marxism.
Second, the West in its ideology and practices was not appealing to that Generation for several reasons. The West was closely identified with colonialism and neo-colonialism and it worked closely with highly repressive regimes worldwide. The West was a close ally and supporter of Apartheid South Africa which did not make the West a good political model to emulate. On the other hand, it were the USSR and China and other socialist countries which were supportive of the liberation wars and de-colonization efforts around the world. And that was one main reason why that Generation gravitated towards the East.
The new generation is sticked to critcising the previous. The new generation need to bring what they think it is better. The old generations need not to organize chair for the new.
Yared- you win. This discussion actually revealed the true color of Lidetu. All he does is ridicule others. To this date, he hasn’t proposed any feasible solution that addresses our problem. It’s not Yared who should retire. It’s Lidetu.
Really, is that you said that Lidetu should retire? Everybody knows that Lidetu is a politician with principle and idea. He appreciet positve and critisize the negative without any fear. As i think he won all of them who faced a debate with him. Then, i figured out the fans of all loosers boycott Lidetu's personality not his idea. Saddly you are one of them.
The tragedy in the discourse of ethiopian politics is that old guard politicians, who are unwilling to accept any mistakes for the whole mess that followed their revolution, are still relevant 😢
👇 I followed the discussion and it was a very nice discussion. Me Yared Tibebu respect for his wisdom . Ato Lidetu Ayalew is avery special person created for Ethiopian politics . if ooly our Ethiopia had ten politician like Ato Lidetu Ayalew . I don't think I am exaggerating when I say that Ato Lidetu Ayalew is just a person who created salf for Ethiopian politics to sweeten it , because Ato Lidetu has shown us in practice that he is a politican who defends it like a Nail every time he hits it .
I folloed the discussion & itwas avery nice discussion . 👉 Mr. Yared Tibebu respect for his wisdom. 👉 Ato Lidetu Ayalew is a very special person created for Ethiopian politiics. if only our Ethiopia had ten politician like Ato Lidetu Ayalew . 👉 I don't think I am exaggerating when I say that Ato Lidetu Ayalew is just a person who created salf for Ethiopian politics to sweeten it , because Ato Lidetu has shown us in practice that he is a politician who defends it like a Nail every time he hits it . 👉 I
@@derejezergaw617 You are among a few of those who can see secretes beyond the curtain. Wonderful you are. Ledetu is a spice in the Ethiopian politics. To be honest, if we hadn't had lidetu, we wouuld have lost hope at all. He taught Ethiopians the power of struggle in the absence of gun democratically assassinate dictators. TPLF is eradicated because of him.
Yard is very mature and outdoor Lidetu in this discussion. Lidetu has been bringing /theoretical while Yared was depicting pragmatic and practical approaches at the time. It is also important to questionnaire if Derg was marcist
Hindsight is 2020 !! It doesn’t matter what you call it but the fact that it changed the land tenure system and made it fairly distributed, ie: gave land to the tiller was enough to be appreciated.
I thought your name was the title of the discussion Re'eyot 😁. I saw Lidetu becoming so bold. ያ ትውልድ is the hardest to convince (highly conservative). It's not only about the politics, their ideology and all that, but they have a beautiful memory to cherish back in their youth. Every part of their life was connected somehow. So, criticizing any aspect of it would ruin everything. I like the discussion a lot anyway.
Lidetu you cornered him on your initial statement and lead the discussion I took a lot a lot a lot from all i need to listen again it will lead to pose lots of questions
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The most amazing thing is the so called 60s politicians never lean from their mistakes. All current problems came from mistakes of politicians of this generation. They are still messing up instead of revealing the truth and teach the young generation abt their mistakes.
ጋሽ ያሬድ ቅንነቶን አደቃለው
ልደቱ ግን ታስደንቀኛለህ ያልኖርክበትን ዘመን ሁሉ በዚህ ደረጃ ትንትነህ ማስረዳት በመቻልህ ።ጤና ይስጥህ ፈጣሪ❤❤❤
ወሬ ብቻ ።ምንም ነገር አይለወጥም።እነዚህ ሰዎች አውርተው አውርተው የተም 1 ስንዝር አልተራመዱም።ወሬኛ !ብቻ
ያሬድ ማርክሲስት አልነበርንም እያለ ነው....ያ ትውልድ ግን መቼ ነው ለንስሃ ግዜ የሚያገኝው??
አቶ ልደቱን የሚገስፁበት መንገድ ትክክል ነው ልደቱ ክርክርን ለማሸነፍ ብዙ እርቀት በሁሉም ውይይቶቹ ላይ ትልቅ ቦታይሰጣል ለአስተማሪነቱ ለቀጣይ መማሪያነቱ ለዘብ ብሎ መወያየቱ ይበጃል ለማሸነፍ መነጋገር እይታን ይጋርዳታል በጎ እሳቤን አጥብቦ የውይይቱን አላማ ያስታል በተረፈ ቢቀጥል ጥሩ ነው
አይ ልደቱ እናትህ መንታ መንታውን በወለደች
ኑርልን
ነዳጃ አወጣች ኢትዮጵያ ከሚባል ልደቱ በትረ መንበሩን ቢይዝ ደስታዬ ወደር የለውም❤❤🙏🙏🙏
የበተገዥነትና የባንዳነት መለኪያ ስትሆን እንዲህ ታስባለህ
ሀሳብ የለ ስድብ እውቀት የሚመስላቹ ታሳዝኑኛላቹ ባንዳ እና ተገዢነት አኔ ካልኩት ጋር ምን ያገናኘዋል ሀሳብ ካለህ ሀሳብህን ፃፍ ከሌለህ ጣትህን ሰብስብ
ልደቱ ጋር በመሸፋፈን ማለፍ የለም !!
ግሩም ውይይት 😘👌🙏 ጋሽ ያሬድ አቶ ልደቱና ሪዮት እናመሰግናለን!
The highlight of this discussion is the respect towards each other! That I love the most. Thank you
Lidetu spoke what we young generations have been saying. Igziabiher ke midre gets lay yatifachihu inante awurewoch... hagerituan be tiraznetekinet izih yaderesachihut inante nachihu.
የልደቱ ብቃት የሚታየው እኮ ያልኖረበትን ዘመን በዚህ ደረጃ መግለጽ ለኢትዮጵያ ፓለቲካ ህይወቱን መስጠቱን ያሳያል ጢና ከረጅም እድሜ ጋር እመኝልሀለው
An excellent discussion, I learn a lot. Thanks guys !!!
ያሬድ ጥበቡ ልደቱ አያሌው ርዕዮት አለሙ 🎉 እናመሰግናለን በእውቀት የተሞላ ውይይት ነበር ያልኖርንበትን ዘመን እንድናይ ስላደረጋችሁን እናከብራቹኃለን❤
ልደቱ ተባረክ መቶ በመቶ የዛን ትውልድ የተሳሳቱ አመለካከት በትክክል ገልጸኸዋል
It sounds like a political debate between a dad and son over a family dinner. It's harsh but with good heart! I know Lidetu’s goodwill, but this discussion has led me to hold a good impression about Yared and his emotional intelligence!
በእድሜዬ ከልደቱ እበልጣለሁ። ስለዚህ የቀለም ሰው የነበርኩ ብሆንም "የዛ ትውልድ" አባል ነኝ። በሃገር ውስጥም ይሁን በውጭ ከነበረው "የዛ ትውልድ" ኢትዮጵያዊ የማርክሲዝም ቫይረስ ከተማሪው ወደ ወታደሩ መጋባቱ ጥያቄ ውስጥ አይገባም። "አልተጋባም" የሚል የያሬድ ክርክር ለኔ ውሃ አይቋጥርም። ስለ "እዛ ትውልድ" የልደቱን እይታና ድምዳሜን በ100% እጋራለሁ። ባጭሩ ያሬድን ያልተሳካለት የማርክሲዝም "apologist" ብሎ ማለፉ በቂ ነው።
Ato Lidetu, you really nailed it! you are a real politician.
ያ ዋለልኝ ነው ለካ ኢትዮጵያን እዚህ መከራ ውስጥ ከቶ እንጥርንጦስ የወረደው::
ሙሉ ፍረጃ የሚከብድ ይመስለኛል። የዋለልኝ ፅሁፍ ብዙ ያልደበረና ለውይይት የቀረበ የ 5 ገፅ መነሻ ሃሣብ ነው፡፡ ዋለልኝም ይህ እንደሚመጣና ይሄን የፈለገ አይመስለኝም፡
ራሱ ልደቱም እንደሚለው ገና የ23 ዐመት የዩንቨርስቲ ተማሪ የነበረ ጥያቄ ነው፡
It very interesting conversations!!,,,thanks Reyot,, Gashe Yared,, Ledetu!!
Lidetu Ayalew is the best poletitian ever happen to Ethiopia, but GOD donot allowed it because the people of Ethiopia we donot diserve good because we are evil to evil to our brother and sisters look your heart every one of you your heart is black .
Interesting discussion. Two key points emerge. Firstly, adequate preparation is crucial before engaging in discussions with Lidetu. Many notable individuals, like Dr. Yonas, Ermias, Yared, and Meskerem, have failed miserably in the debate. Dr. Mesay was a notable exception who equally challenged him. Secondly, Ato Yared should acknowledge the ideological element of that generation while also highlighting other positive aspects of the struggle.
Your idea is bad. This debate should be about finding truth, as in to identify problem and suggest solution.
There's no need for special preparation, let's figure things out. There's no winner or loser here.
If it was election campaign, I understand, everyone should prepare to win. But this is not just that.
Your thinking is toxic, examine yourself.
@@ethiocomment1707You must be a certified moron. Since when did a recommendation to get prepared for a debate interpreted as "bad", "toxic"? Preparation enhances the quality of discussion, sheds light on issues, and shows respect to the audience that matches their fame and title. Individuals who fail to recognize this simple fact display absolute ignorance and lack shame. One of the "beauty" of social media is to release unfounded frustrations be it good or bad.
Preparation is good but your idea was preparation to be a winner in this debate, which is toxic.
You still didn't get it, your optics is painted with winning and losing the debate, that's not cool.
ልድዬ የኔ ጀግና
በጣም ደስ የሚል ውይይት እንደዚህ አይነት ውይይት በጣም አስፈላጊ ነው ::
ትልቁ የሀይለስላሴ ስህተት ያንን የስድስት ኪሎ ዩንቨርስቲ መክፈታቸው ነው 😡🫤
What i understood from the discussion is that both guys have a mutual love and respect.
አኔም የዛ ትውልድ አባል ነኘ ::ሆኖም ያንን የቆሸሸ ርዮት ዓለም ተከትለን ህዝቡን አመስን ሃገርን ለዚህ ወድቀት ዳረግን አሳፋሪ ነን ::የሚገርመው አሁንም ፍጥጥ ብለን መከራከራቺን ወተን ሕዝባችንን ይቅርታ ልንጠይቅ ይገባል
Bravo! Lidetu.
You nailed the truth.
ወዲያ ወዲህ ማለት አያስፈልግም ትክክልኛውን ሀቅ መቀበል ነው፣ የባእድ ማርክሲዝምን አምጥታችሁ ህዝቡን ለመከራ ዳረጋችሁት ደሀው የመከራ ጋፈት ተቀባይ አረጋችሁ
ርዬት እናመስግናለን : ግሩም ውይይት ነበር
Lidetu nailed it as usual.
የዚያን ጊዜ ትውልድ ሦስት መንግሥት ያሳለፈ ግራ የተጋባ ነበር። ከፖለቲካ መውጣት አለበቻው።
"የ3000ዓመት የጭለማ ዘመን" እውን የእናንተ የግራ ዘመም ርዕዮት ለኢትዮጵያ ከብርሃን ይልቅ ድቅድቅ ጨለማ፤ እስካሁን ድረስ ሀገራችን ያለችበት ሁኔታ የናንተ ውጤት አይደለም?
I came to say this...as if they brought something better
መደማመጥ የጎደለው ውይይት ነው:: ልደቱ ጋሽ ያሬድ በማለት ያከበርከውበመምሰል ጣልቃ እየገባህ ሀሳቡን ልታስጨርሰው አልቻልክም:: ነገሮችን በጥሩ ሁኔታ ማስረዳት ሲጀምር ጣልቃ እየገባህ ሀሳቡን ትረባብሸዋለህ::
Try to analyse the reactions between the two peoples carefully. As a sample observe the reactions during the following periods/minutes of the discussion:- 31:00 - 33:10 and 54:00 - 1:08:20. You can take any section of the discussions .... then try not to judge yourself.
ያ ትውልድ ማለት ኢትዮጵያን ማድያት ያለበሰ። ሳያውቅ አውቂያለሁ ብሎ እራሱን በድቁርና ያወጀ። ታሪኩን አንቋሾ ጥላቻ በየዋህ ህዝብ ላይ የዘረ ። እስካሁን መከራ ያወረሱ የግብዞች ናቸው
Lidetu Ayalew is the best poletitian .
እንደልደቱ አይነት መሪ ኢትዮጵያ ያልታደለችዉ በክፋታችን ምክንያት ነው ። ኢትዮጵያዊ ማለት ወንድሙን እህቱን የማይወድ ምቀኛ ነው ።
Good decision thank you Reyeyot and Teboren
እኔ በግሌ የእንዳልካቸው ካቢኔ የተወሰነ ጊዜና ፋታ ቢያገኝ ባይ ነበርኩ ልደቱ ያነሳቸው ድንቅ ሀሳቦች ናቸው!!
It’s interesting discussion or debate between the two gentlemen.
Observation:
-As usual, Lidetu proved again that he was knowledgeable, pragmatic, and clear in his message.
-He showed a great patience, respect, and discipline vis-a-vis his counterpart.
-He proved to really represent the young generation, a generation free of the baggage of communism.
-Proved again that he was not a kind of politician bent on blaming everything that happened in the past/previous regimes.
On the other hand, I found Ato Yared very defensive. But, I would like to appreciate him for being open for debates as opposed to those arrogant, but lack confidence & courage to engage in debate with Ato Lidetu.
Be it as it may, thank you all.
ልደቱ 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
ግን መቼ ነው ተሳስተን ነብር የምትሉቱ ካሽ ያሬድ የልደቱ ሀሳብ ትክክል ነው ግን ልደቱ ሀሳብ አለው ላገሬ የምመኘህ ጠቅላይምኒስትር እድትሆን ነው
ያሬድ አልፎብሐል አርፈህ ቁጭበል የዛን ዘመን ትረካ መሰማት አንፈልግም
so insightful!!!!! we need more of these ......!
ጋሼ ያሬድ ልደቱን አልቻልከውም በዝረራ ተሸንፋሃል😅
There are two important pieces of information Ato Lidettu overlooks when he discusses the generation of the 1960's and '70's. His criticism of them for embracing Marxism as an ideology lacks the proper context of analysis and judgement. First, HIM government was highly restrictive and even repressive to political speech and organization. Therefore, the Emperor left little room for moderate and liberal voices to emerge and organize. Discussing Ethiopian politics openly and freely was near impossible. When the door and window of a room are closed, persons inside will be forced to break down the wall to go out. That is one main reason why that Generation was forced to break down Ethiopian traditional way of life with the bludgeon of Marxism.
Second, the West in its ideology and practices was not appealing to that Generation for several reasons. The West was closely identified with colonialism and neo-colonialism and it worked closely with highly repressive regimes worldwide. The West was a close ally and supporter of Apartheid South Africa which did not make the West a good political model to emulate. On the other hand, it were the USSR and China and other socialist countries which were supportive of the liberation wars and de-colonization efforts around the world. And that was one main reason why that Generation gravitated towards the East.
Hot issues associated with real constructive debate...blessings
የዚያን ጊዜ ትውል ማለት አስቀያሚ ትውልድ ናቹ. የሚያዛዝነው ደግሞ ስህተታቹን አታምኑም.ኢትዮጲያን ሆነ ህዝብን በድላችዋል
2 weak politicians specially lyer Ledtu still he try to cheat Ethiopians again like 1997 . Shame on u !
I salute you both, appreciate moderator Reyot
THANK YOU REEYOT 🙏
ጋሸ ልደቱ እኳ ያሳለፋችሁን ያረጋችውትን ነው ይሚናገረው ምንም አላጠፋም
የገጠር መሬት አዋጅና የከተማ ቦታና መሬት አዋጆች የተለያዩ ናቸው ልደቱ!!
ልደቱ ትክክለኛ አስተያየት ነውና ምንም የሚያጠያይቅ አይደልም የኢሐፓ የሚኤሶን ሌሎችም ነጻ አውጭ ድርጅቶች ሁሉ የዛን ግዜ ትውልዶችና አሁን አገሪቱ ለገባችበት ዋንኛ ተጠያቂዎች ናቸው፣
በ66የ7ኛ ክፍል ተማሪ እንደነበረ ሰው ቅጥር ባልሳተፍም ሁሉን ነገር እንዳየና በወቅቱ እንደ ወጣት ፋሽን ኢሕአፓን በሙሉ ልብ እንዳሳለፈ ሰው አሁን ላይ ሆኜ የገመገምኩትም በተጨባጭ ያለውም ውጤት ሙሉ ለሙሉ ልደቱ በሚለው እስማማለሁ ።
Thanks!
"ርዕዮት አለሙን" ነዉ ያልተቀበልኩት 🤔 ጋዜጠኛ ርዕዮት አለሙን መስሎኝ ደንገጥ ብየ ነበር 😂😂😂😂
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The new generation is sticked to critcising the previous. The new generation need to bring what they think it is better. The old generations need not to organize chair for the new.
አቶ ያሬድ ስህተትን መቀበል አዋቂነት ነው በተማሪዎቾ እንቅስቃሴ ሁላችንም በስሜት በጥልቀት ያልተረዳውን ስናስተጋባ ነበር፡፡ በዚህም ለአሁን የተረፈ ችግር ፈጥረናል፡፡ ይልቅስ አሁን እንደት ሕዝባችን ወደ ማይፈልገው ከፍተኛ ችግር እንዳይገባ እናድረገው ብሎ መነጋገር ነው የሚሻለው ፡፡
Yared- you win. This discussion actually revealed the true color of Lidetu. All he does is ridicule others. To this date, he hasn’t proposed any feasible solution that addresses our problem. It’s not Yared who should retire. It’s Lidetu.
Really, is that you said that Lidetu should retire? Everybody knows that Lidetu is a politician with principle and idea. He appreciet positve and critisize the negative without any fear. As i think he won all of them who faced a debate with him. Then, i figured out the fans of all loosers boycott Lidetu's personality not his idea. Saddly you are one of them.
The best program thank you all
Thank you !!!!!!!
Thank you Ryot!
The tragedy in the discourse of ethiopian politics is that old guard politicians, who are unwilling to accept any mistakes for the whole mess that followed their revolution, are still relevant 😢
Ato Yared ., your lack of preparation is obvious to see for everyone. Other than that it's a good conversation.
ርዕዮት አቶ ያሬድን ከአቻሜልህ ጋር ብታወያያቸው ህዝብ እውነታውን ያውቃል።
መሬት ላራሹ፣ የብሄር ጭቆና የሚሉት በአፄ ሃይለስላሴ ዘመን የነበረውን የመሬት ጉዳይ ህዝብ የማያውቀውን እንዲያውቅ አቻሜለህ በማስረጃ ሊሞግት ይችላል።
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I followed the discussion and it was a very nice discussion. Me Yared Tibebu respect for his wisdom .
Ato Lidetu Ayalew is avery special person created for Ethiopian politics . if ooly our Ethiopia had ten politician like Ato Lidetu Ayalew . I don't think I am exaggerating when I say that Ato Lidetu Ayalew is just a person who created salf for Ethiopian politics to sweeten it , because Ato Lidetu has shown us in practice that he is a politican who defends it like a Nail every time he hits it .
I folloed the discussion & itwas avery nice discussion .
👉 Mr. Yared Tibebu respect for his wisdom.
👉 Ato Lidetu Ayalew is a very special person created for Ethiopian politiics.
if only our Ethiopia had ten politician like Ato Lidetu Ayalew .
👉 I don't think I am exaggerating when I say that Ato Lidetu Ayalew is just a person who created salf for Ethiopian politics to sweeten it ,
because Ato Lidetu has shown us in practice that he is a politician who defends it like a Nail every time he hits it .
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@@derejezergaw617 You are among a few of those who can see secretes beyond the curtain. Wonderful you are. Ledetu is a spice in the Ethiopian politics. To be honest, if we hadn't had lidetu, we wouuld have lost hope at all. He taught Ethiopians the power of struggle in the absence of gun democratically assassinate dictators. TPLF is eradicated because of him.
Gash yared the way you talk looks it has a virtue
ያሬድ ድርቅ አትበል። ትውልዱ ተሳስቷል። አሲምባ ውስጥ የሠራችሁት በራሱ ከባድ ፀፀት ሊፈጥርባችሁ በቻለ ነበር። ርኦዮተዓለማችሁ ማርኪሲዝም ነበር። ክህደት አይጠቅምም
ያኔ Western የኢትዮጵያ ንጉሳዊ ስርአት ለመጣል የተማሪውም ንቅናቄ ሲጠቀሙ እንግሊዝና መሰል ሀገሮች ንጉሳዊ።ስርወታቸውን አክብረው አጠንክረው እስሀዛሬ ይዘዋል። ይህንን እንኳን ዛሬ ላይ ሆነህ መቀበል አትፈልግም።
Yard is very mature and outdoor Lidetu in this discussion. Lidetu has been bringing /theoretical while Yared was depicting pragmatic and practical approaches at the time. It is also important to questionnaire if Derg was marcist
😂😂😂 Wow 🎉 Ledetu betam ariffffffffff. Tkkkkkkkkkkkkl neh. Shimaglew gn alteredahm. Ahunm ahunm yemilew lela nw
ልደቱ ዘመንህን በሙሉ ከምታደናብር "ህግ መንግስቱ ይቀየር በል!! "ለሁሉም
Hindsight is 2020 !!
It doesn’t matter what you call it but the fact that it changed the land tenure system and made it fairly distributed, ie: gave land to the tiller was enough to be appreciated.
I thought your name was the title of the discussion Re'eyot 😁. I saw Lidetu becoming so bold. ያ ትውልድ is the hardest to convince (highly conservative). It's not only about the politics, their ideology and all that, but they have a beautiful memory to cherish back in their youth. Every part of their life was connected somehow. So, criticizing any aspect of it would ruin everything. I like the discussion a lot anyway.
ልደቱ ዝም ብለህ ነው ከ እዚህ ጋ ጊዜ የ ምታባክ ነው ። ያትውልድ እኮ አሜሪካን በ ስደተኝነት ተቀምጦ እኮ የ ኢምፔሪያሊስት ትምህርት አልማርም ብሎ ሶቤትህብረትን የሚናፍቅ ነበር።
ሊገባኝ የማይችል መቼ ነው የ60ወች ፖለቲከኞች ዝም የሚሉት? ሀገሪቱን ከየት ጎትተው የት እንደጣሏት ዛሬ በአደባባይ ሲታይ እንኳ ንስሀ የማይገቡ!! መቼም ቢሆን ቅዠት እንጂ ህልም ኖሮት የማያውቅ ግሩፕ ነው:: ህልም ያለው እቅድ አለው:: ሳስታውስ ስም ማጥፋትና ንጉሱን ማውገዝ እንጂ አላማቸውን ልእህዝብ አስተምረው አያውቁም
well done Ledatu
ልደቱ በጣም አመሰግናለሁ
Speaking to that generations(the 60s) look how many times gash Yared interrupt #Lidetu.
Mr. Yared , Why you went to USA rather than Russia or Cuba? Please ask for me?
Yared lost me. He still stock in the 60's EPRP is a firefly!!!
ልደቱ ጠቅለል ባለመልኩ ትክክል አስቀምጦታል ያ ትውልድ ትችት አይወድም አይቀበልም መተቸት አይፈልግም
Yaredem Lidetum bekachihu!!! Eski tewun !!!! Tefatun!!! We re eager to welcome FANO!!!!!!!!!!!
ልደቱ በጭራሽ በክርክር ስለማሸነፍ እንጂ ስለጉዳዮች መነጋገርን አያምንም። ለምሳሌ አንድ ጥያቄ ካገኘሽ ጠይቂልኝ። እሱ 30 አመት ሙሉ ለኢትዮጵያዊነት ፖለቲካ ታግሎ ግን ተሸንፏል። የተሸነፈው በተከተለው ርዕዮተ አለም ነው ማለት ነው? ወይስ በብዙ ሁኔታዎች ምክንያት ነበር? ለምሳሌ የህዝባችን የስነ ልቦና የኑሮ የእውቀት ደረጃና የሌላ የውጪና የውስጥ ተፅዕኖ ነበር?
የልደቱ የፖለቲካ እውቀት አድናቂነኝ ግን ለምን ከአብዛኛው ህዝብ ለምን እንደተነጠለ ራሱን ቢያጠና መልካም ነው ጋሽ ያሬድ አንዱን ጠቁሞታል ያም መከረባበቱ ሊሆን ይችላል
Lidetu brave man Azrekerkew no one can stand before him ❤
ልደቱ አንተንያህል ሰው ሃገር አሰደደችህ ምን ይሆን እርግማናችን አይ ኢትዮጵያ😢😢😢
ልደቱ አሁን በኢትዮጵያ ፖለቲካ veteran ነው። የያሬድን ያህል ባይሆንም። በበኩሌ ከቅንጅት መፍረስ በኋላ በፖለቲከኛነት ባይቀጥል፣ ተሞክሮውን በማካፈል፣ አስተያየት በመስጠት፣ በማስተማር ላይ ቢሰማራ ለራሱም፣ለትግሉም የተሻለ ነበር ብዬ ለብዙ ጊዜ አስቤያለሁ።
በዚህ ውይይት ላይ አንድ ያነሳው ነጥብ ላእ። ይኸውም የ“ያ ትውልድ” አባላት ለምንድነው ሲተቹ ወይም የነሱ ጊዜ ሲተች ቆዳቸው ሥስ የሚሆን? የሚል ጥያቄ። ይሄ ጥያቄ በውስጡ ለምንድነው ስለሰሩት ስህተትም ጽፈው ተሞክሯቸው እንዲያስተምረን፣ ተመሳሳይ ስህተት እንዳንሰራ እንዲሆን አይረዱንም የሚል ነው።
በኔ ዕምነት ኢዴፓ በጣም ቁልፍ የሆነ የፖለቲካ ባህል ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ አምጥቷል። ይኸውም ምክንያታዊ ፖለቲካ፣ ሰላማዊ ትግል የሚባሉትን ጽንሰ ሃሳቦች ከሃሳብነት ወደተግባራዊነት ቀይረው አሳይተዋል። በቁርጠኝነት ከተሰራበት፣ ከጀብደኝነት፣ ነፍጥ ከማንሳት የተሻለ ውጤት እንድሚያመጡ አስመስክረዋል።
ያም ሆኖ የጀመሩት እንቅስቃሴ ግቡ ሳይደርስ መንገድ ቀርቷል። ድርጅታቸው ፈርሷል።
አንድ የኢንጂነሪንግም ሆነ ማኅበራዊ ፕሮጀክት ካታቀደበት ግቡ ሳይደርስ ከፈረሰ ችግሩ በመጀመሪያ ደረጃ የአርክቴክቶቹ፣ የመሃንዲዎቹ፣ የፖለቲካ መሪዎቹ ነው።
አርክቴክቶቹ እቅዱን ሲነድፉ፣ ወይም በሂደቱ ላይ ሁሉንም ተፈጥሯዊና ሰው ሰራሽ እንቅፋቶችን ሁሉ ከግምት ወስደው፣ ለዛ እንቅፋት መላ መፍጠር ነበረባቸው። ያንን ሳያደርጉ፣ ወይም ያንን ለማደረግ ችሎታ ሳይኖር የሚፈርስ ነገር መገንባት ሃላፊነት የጎደለው ስራ ነው። ምክንያቱም፣ ያ ነገር ሲፈርስ በብዙ ህዝብ ኑሮ፣ በብዙ ህዝብ ተስፋ ላይ ስለሚናድ።
የ “ያ ትውልድ” አባላትም ሆነ እነ መለስ ዜናዊ፣ ዛሬ አገሪቱን እያፈራረሰ ያለው አብይ አህመድም ቢሆን የተነሱት ሁሉም ከበጎ አስተሳሰብ፣ ሕዝቡንና አገሪቱን ካለችበት ችግር እናወጣለን ከሚል ነው። ችግራቸው አቅማቸውን፣ እውቀት፣ ልምድ አልባነታቸውን ሳይገነዘቡ በትዕቢት፣ መገንባት የማይችሉትን ነገር እንገነባለን ብለው መነሳታቸው፣ ከዛ ደግሞ ሲሳሳቱ፣ አገሪንና ህዝብን ሲጎዳ ለማየት፣ ለመገንዘብ፣ ለማረም ወይም አቅም አልባ መሆናቸውን ተረድተው ከቦታው ራሳቸውን ለማግለል ፈቃደኛ ከመሆን ይልቅ አገር እስክትጠፋ አስገድደን እንቀመጣለን ማለታቸው ነው።
የአብይን መልካም ምኞት ከጥያቄ ውስጥ አስገብቼ አላውቅም። እንደውም ዓላማው ሁለተኛው ምኒሊክ ለመሆን ምኒሊክ ያልጨረሰውን መላውን የአፍሪካ ቀንድ አንድ አገር “ኢትዮጵያ” የማድረግ ዓላማ ይዞ እንደሆነ አምናለሁ። ዐቅም አለመኖር ብቻ ሳይሆን አቅም እንደሌለውም አያውቅምእንጂ!! ምኒሊክ አቅሙን ያውቅ ነበር።
ወደ ተነሳሁበት ልመለስና ፣ ልደቱ ለፈረሰው እንቅስቃሴ። ለፈረሰው ድርጅቱ፣ የ“ያ ትውልድ” አባላትን እንደሚወቅሰው፣ ያሬድን ጥበቡን እንዳፋጠጠው፣ ሌሎችን ከመውቀስ፣ ሕዝቡን ከመውቀስ በቀር እሱና የሌሎቹ የ እንቅስቃሴ አመራሮች ስህተት የት እንደነበረ መክሮን አያውቅም።
ነፋሱ፣ ሃሩሩ፣ በረሃው፣ ዝናቡ አደናቀፈኝ ማለት ምንም አስተማሪ አይደለም።
ይህ ውይይት ምናልባትም ያልጣመኝ ለዚህ ይሆናል። በርግጥ ውይይቱ ስለ “ያ ትውልድ” ስለሆነ የልደቱ ክርክር በ”ያ ትውልድ” ትችት ብቻ ላይ ማተኮሩ ልክ ይሆናል። ግን ከዚህ ቀደም ልደቱ ካደረጋቸው ውይይቶች ጋር አንድ ላይ ሲታይ ከላይ የገለጽኩትን ስሜት ነው የሰጠኝና፣ አልጣመኝም። ከልደቱ ሲመጣ ሚዛናዊም አልመሰለኝም።
በመጨረሻ ሁሉም ነገር ይፈርሳል። ሑሉም ህንጻ ይፈርሳል። ሁሉም ማኅበረሰብ ይፈርሳል። አንድ ዓመት፣ አስር አመት፣ ሺህ ዓመት ሊቆይ ይችላል። ሁሉም ፕሮጀክት ይፈርሳል።
የፈረሰ ነገር ግን የተገነባበትን መሰረት፣ ማኅበረሰብ የግድ ይዞ መፍረስ የለበትም።
በጥሩ መሃንዲሶች፣ ማኅበራሰባዊ አርክቴክቶች መሃከልና በጥራዝ ነጠቆቹ መሃከል ልዩነቱ የፕሮጀክቱ አለመፍረስ አይደለም። የሚቆይበት ጊዜና ለተተኪው ፕሮጀክት ቀራጭ የሚያስተምረው ነገር ነው።
ስህተቱ ምን እንደሆነ የማያውቅ፣ አላዋቂ መሃንዲስ ነው።
አውቆ የሚደብቅ፣ ሌላው እንዳይማርበት የሚያረግ ግን ሃላፊነት የጎደለውም ጭምር ነው።
ልደቱ 🔥 እሣቱ
የዛን ጊዜ ትውልድ ና የኢሀአፓ መሪ
ቢሆን ኖረ 💥
አንድ ብቻውን መለስ ሊሆን አይችልም ከልተባለ በምስረሰቅ ጀርመን ከሶሻሊት ፓርቲው ሌላ የክርሰረቲያን ፓርቲ የኢንተለክቹወል ፓርቲ የገበሬ ፓርቲዎች እስከ ስርአቱ ፍጻሜ ነበሩ።
Lidetu you cornered him on your initial statement and lead the discussion I took a lot a lot a lot from all i need to listen again it will lead to pose lots of questions
ድንቅ ውይይት
Great job
ርዕዯት ያመጣሻቸው ሰዎች እኮ የሁለት ዓለም ሰዎች ናቸው እኮ !!
የ60ዎቹ ትውልድ የፖለቲካ ልሂቃን ከራሳቸውና ከእውነታው መቼም ላይታረቁ የተጣሉ ናቸው። እናመሠግናለን ልደቱ መርማሪ ( critical ) ጥያቄዎችህን አንዳቸውንም መመለስ አልቻለም።
በደንብ ማርክሲዝም ሌሊኒኒዝም ከፍተኛ ጠላታችን ነዉ ያንን ትዉድም ይሄንንም ትዉልድ አገርንም ያጠፋ አስተሳሰብ ነዉ መጤ ነዉ መጥፎ በተንኮል የተተበተበ እኛን የማይመስል ክፉ አስተሳሰብ ነዉ ሁሉም አንድ አይነት ናቸዉ ልደቱ ትክክል ነዉ እንደአድማጭ የምንረዳዉ እንደዛ ነዉ
ልደቱ ማሸነፍ ብቻ ነው የምፈልገው። ያች ማርክስዝም የምትል ጉዳይ ለማሸነፍ ይጠቅመኛል ስላለ፡ ውይይቱን ከንቱ ኣደረገው።
እስከአሁን እንዳየሁት ልደቱ ትክክል ነው በወቅቱ እንደነበረ ሰው እኔም አሁን ላይ ያለኝ ግምገማ ይሄው ነው ።
እኔ ከያሬድ ሀሳብጋ እስማማለሁ. ያ ትውልድ ስተት አልነበረበትም ማለት አይደለም ነገር ግን ይዞት የተነሳው ሀሳብ ትክክል ነበር.
I agree with Lidetu. He said good intentions and bad ideology.
ልደቱ♥
አቶ ያሬድ የዋለልኝ ፁሁፍ ዩሚለው Western ፅፈው የሰጡት ለመሆኑ የእንግሊዝ version የተመለከቱና ዋለልኝ የነበረበትን የትምህርት ደረጃ የጋናዘቡ የተጠቀመው የእንግሊዘኛ ቃላት እሱ ካለበት ደረጃ በላይ የሆነ እሱ ፅፈው የሰጡትን መርዝ ነው ለተማሪዎች የበተነው።
ሃይማኖት እኩልነት የለም ላልከው ሙስሊሞች ከ middle east ተሰደው ሲመጡ የተቀበች ሀገር እኩልነት ባይኖር ትቀበላቸው ነበር።
Western ለከፋፍለህ ግዛውን ለማስቀጠል ተጠቀሙባችሁ period!!! ይህንን አምናችሁ ብትቀበሉ ትልቅነት እንጂ ውርደት አይደለም።