Ubuntu is not perfect but think of a Linux world without the contributions of Canonical/Ubuntu! Where would we be today without all that they have done for the community? I for one appreciate their efforts
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Yeah, I really hope this was a sarcastic comment from BDL, because that would be quite funny. But, if it is serious, then... ouch.
@ Actually, the appearance of Ubuntu forced or inspired (depending on your point of view) other distributions to focus more on usability. Its slogan at the time was ""Linux for human beings", whereras other distributions focused on the needs of developers or enterprise users. This is an important part of Ubuntu's legacy. (I am not an Ubuntu user, by the way. I used Ubuntu 16.04 for a few months, but I have more experience with Fedora, Manjaro and MX Linux.)
I started with Linux on Ubuntu 6.10 on an original CD shipped free from Canonical. I loved it on the HP dv6150us I had at that moment. I've hopped a lot after that, sometimes to Ubuntu to see the new features. Now I use Debian but will try the newest Ubuntu very soon. I like to see changes/upgrades/new things in the distros I've used in the past. I'm open to use whatever Linux comes my way, as long as docker can be used in it.
Nah, other distros could have taken Ubuntu's gap. For a long time Ubuntu has not been the king if you consider user-friendliness. Its overpopulariry may also has contributed for suffocating other projects.
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@Learn Linux I don't think that they haven't contributed anything. Even Microsoft contributed something. Is it a net positive, though? I'm not sure.
I use fedora and ubuntu. I found Ubuntu fantastic on my thinkpad p50. On my older thinkpad Ubuntu had a lot of pulse audio driver bugs, so I went Fedora on it. I prefer the apt package manager and Ubuntu on my P50 is fantastic, but Fedora has incredible performance and stability as well. Much like you my time is too limited to use Arch anymore.
yet you were free enough to watch this video and comment on it, but too busy to setup the system you will work on every day. PS: no hate towards ubuntu, i use pop os myself
@@adityachaudhry7566 most people that say they are too busy to do something that requires learns are just saying "I wont do it cause it has not that much of importance."
In the last five years, I've always come back to Ubuntu as my main workhorse. I can rely on it, it's stable and well supported. Quite frankly, I'm thankful for all the work Canonical have put into their various Linux projects and the distro they provide FREE OF CHARGE. They have helped massively with Linux adoption. We should applaud them rather than complain.
I switched from Windows to Linux with Ubuntu. I love the feel and control but also easy to use, maintain and debug... I try other distros... but chose to stay with Ubuntu.
Lol each os has his drawback like try to do an enterprise lsi configuration wich all linux es fail to do properly y mean to join 10 grafic cards together and have huge 10k display Linux kernel is to much ptrace and that is slow as hell in this area windows have to win
You've hit upon the one thing that I really hate about the Linux community - the elitism! So many people think that they are best because they run a certain distro, and look down on others. Sometimes I think of it as distro snobbery or bragging, and such arrogance really annoys me. Linux as a whole is community led, and as such, we should be united and friendly! Rivalry between us can only harm the FOSS cause. Linux brothers and sisters - be nice, and respect each others' choices - we are all different, but with a common cause, we can make such an amazing difference to the computing world. And if you're wondering, I'm running native Deepin OS, which is glitchy AF, but tons of fun, and the truth is - I'm loving it!
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Saying it is elitism is just a way to present valid criticism of Canonical's poor decision making and immoral practices as something that can easily be dismissed. Those elitists, ptfff! And this accusation of elitism is factually untrue, because Linux Mint, Manjaro, PopOS and similar easy-to-install-and-use distros do not get nearly as much hate as Ubuntu. And there is a good reason for that: Canonical deserves it. Almost every criticism that can be justly directed towards Windows can, to a lesser extent, be also said of Ubuntu. That's why people hate it.
It's nothing more disappointing than do your very first install of a Linux distro, for a lot of people, the very first OS installation in their lives, just to get a lot of shit about "political" and "ideals" of Linux community. I don't give af if you hate canonical of google or windows. I just want to use my OS as I need.
@Peter Andrijeczko hey man, can you help me. Linux mint tina upgraded to tricia. No problem in that, but something wrong with grub bootloader. It is still showing it as tina, and trying to open it crashes coz tina does not exists. Plz help
@ Well, Pop!_OS and Manjaro got hate in my experience. Manjaro got much hate because it would be a worse version of Arch and would be for dumb users only and Pop!_OS get hate because it's based on Ubuntu & both, Debian as well as Ubuntu would be bloated as hell what would made it slow and insecure… The "btw I use Arch" is a good example how much people are annoyed from the toxic communities in Linux and especially Arch is known for having one of the most toxic communities in the Tech world.
Personally I like and use Linux Mint Cinnamon. Tried most all distros though, and like a few others as well. I keep checking out new releases as they evolve. I came from Windows, as power user, commandline/batch file writer. Got sick of the bloat and spyware, not to mention forced updates. All I want is a stable environment to do what I like to do with a PC. This kind of reminds me of my teenage years when a lot of people started getting tattoos. The guys with tattoos thought they were tough. It was funny really, to watch them puffing their chests out, as if a tattoo made them tougher lol. Now a days tattoos are the norm, and they don't seem to make people feel tough any more.
I do wonder, did you have any issues with Ubuntu-based Mint since you switched from Windows? I'm in much the same situation as you where, so much so that I'd have switched years ago as well if I didn't manage to stick with Windows 7 for all this time. Alas, I have new hardware and Windows 7 simply won't do any longer. After about a week of Linux distro research I also decided to go with Mint, but with it's Debian-based branch (Mint LMDE 5 'Elise'). I value long-term stability most and it seems like Debian's LTS is more focused on that than Ubuntu's LTS is, hence Mint LMDE 5 > Mint 21 for my use-case, as long as all of my new hardware is supported.
@@DarkVeghetta No issues here with Mint Cinnamon. That may be due to the fact I bought a Lenovo PC, they're tested and built to run Linux out of the box without issues. The hardware is ALL compatible. I tried LMDE, but it was the first version created. It was ok, no problems, I just liked the Ubuntu Debian Mint better. All ubuntu distros have Debian underneath so they're all very stable. Been using Mint now for 6 or 7 years. Have never had even one issue with it. I use Virtual machines on it, I am a programmer constantly writing software, and basically a power user too. I install every update, and I upgrade to every new release too. Hope this answers your question. Unlike Windows, I never get interrupted, or see any lag due to the OS doing things behind my back. (though automatic updates are every day or 3, and I do a total backup every hour. I work through all that without noticing a thing. Right now my PC is an i7 16gb ddr3 and sata 1 ssd drives.
New to Linux .......started with Linux mint and then tried Ubuntu and then distro hopped some more but keep coming back to Ubuntu. My journey is just beginning but good video.
@USURPER me too. Set up Ubuntu for beginners, and use Debian myself. But then again, Raspberry Pi is running Debian (Raspian is Debian with some settings). :-)
@EVOL Vista was the only Windows I had on my own computers until I had to get Windows 10 because the online exams my university uses requires a special lockdown browser that doesn't work on Linux. And not gonna lie, I miss widgets in Ubuntu. My old Mac has widgets, and Vista had widgets. Ubuntu has some cool indicator apps, and overall is much faster, so it's not a big deal.
I wanted to try Linux like 8 years ago. So I obviously got Ubuntu and... I don't know, I didn't like it. Years later I come back, no additional Linux experience whatsoever and hear about Arch - through memes, obviously. As much as you hate "I use Arch btw", it really made me deep dive into Linux, and I feel like I'm not the only one. So I installed Manjaro and - whoah! User experience is so much better. I finally feel like I have freedom (so many flavors) and whole Arch Wiki to explore new possibilities. I am now almost half-year Arch user, and almost a full-year Linux user. I have my own i3 and vim setup and I love everything about it. I love how much freedom it gives me. And this is the thing that Ubuntu fails to do in my opinion. It's Canonical's OS, not yours. I don't hate Ubuntu. I just hate the fact the the most people who might want to try Linux land on Ubuntu, and it actually can give them wrong impression about whole Linux thing.
Arch is one of my three favorite distros. The other two being Gentoo and Kali (Kali is just superior to Blackarch, Pentoo, and Parrot for pentesting/forensics work).
@@trafficcone3620 Void is a distro I have yet to try, but I am curious to give it a go. Currently I use a Gentoo desktop, Gentoo headless server, a Kali laptop, an Arch laptop, and a FreeBSD laptop. The distros I have used are : Redhat, Mandrake, Mandrivia, Debian, SuSE, Rock, Lunar, LFS, Sorcerer, Sourcemage, Gentoo, Bodhi, Arch, Majaro, Back Track, Kali, Pentoo, Blackarch, Elementary, and Mint.
I started with ubuntu. Looked into arch, and I liked it. But my schedules caught up to me and I got less time to tweak my os. Now I'm back with ubuntu and I save so much time. PS: Arch is good but ubuntu definitely is better if you have less time to spare for tweaking
In the early days of Linux, installing was a challenge. Even when Live CDs/USBs worked, sometimes the full installations still failed. Ubuntu changed that. I've been using Ubuntu as my daily driver for two years. Today, I finally deleted what was left of my original Windows partition and decided to install Manjaro on it in a dual boot set-up. The Manjaro USB booted flawlessly. I installed it and everything seemed to go fine. Then I rebooted and it wouldn't start. A bit of searching online suggested that it was a graphics driver problem. I'm sure there's a load of geek credibility to getting a distro working against all odds, but I just want a working OS. I rebooted into the Live USB, and deleted the spare partition and expanded my existing Ubuntu and Home partitions to take up the space. I still like the idea of Manjaro, but I prefer the simplicity of a working OS.
I actually started with manjaro and switched to Ubuntu. I didn't switch to linux to have distro that constantly needs updates (ptsd from windows 10 auto update) and still is a half broken (as rolling release distros quite understandably are) . After you understand your de well enough distro becomes immaterial. apt has longer command but has autorecovery in case of errors that pacman screws. up most of the time
@@_tsu_ Longer command? Just create aliases. For example, I have "sau" and "sai" (sudo apt update and sudo apt install ", among many others. And yea, screw rolling release. I'd rather have a stable OS.
I had a friend in college who used Ubuntu. If it weren't for that I probably never even would have thought of trying Linux years later when I was dissatisfied with early versions of Windows 10.
I currently run Ubuntu 19.10 on my desktop system and Mint 18.3 on my laptop. I switched my mom to Ubuntu years ago and she hasn't expressed any dissatisfaction at all. She's not a "power user" but does absolutely everything she did on Windows on Ubuntu and her system has been surprisingly stable. "Back in the day", I was a Slackware user and decided to try Ubuntu to see what a distribution was like where I didn't have to compile everything from source (which I used to do with Slackware). I sort of miss the days of building everything from source but I've grown to appreciate a system that "just works". My current plan is to install other distributions in VirtualBox to see what else is out there. Thanks for posting this video!
The thing about sending info to Amazon was it made many people to lose trust on Canonical what it was going to do in future. Privacy compromises often start small and if people don't backlash they can get worse little by little. You lose trust easily, but it's hard to gain it back.
Ubuntu wasn't a thing when I started. I don't quite remember with what I started but I know I distro hopped a lot at the time. I remember SuSE and Redhat were the "user friendly" distros at the time. That was forever ago, man I feel old!
I remember those times. I started with SUSE because it was the user friendly one. I think Ubuntu had just launched when I started and SUSE and Redhat where the crowning kings while Ubuntu was touted as the new friendly distro, but it was too knew to know if it had any future at the time... and now, for some reason, I feel like desktop Ubuntu doesn't have a future.
You have no idea how Ubuntu distros have helped new users switch over from Microsoft Windows to Linux, I'm one of them, I just started like a month a go. I'm a Zorin user for now and i"d been getting better and better at the terminal, installing my apps, updates, and modifying my desktop environment, I even made it look like a Mac since I never could afford one of those. Point here is. I probably wouldn't even dare to use Linux, because of the rumors of how difficult It is to use It, install It and here I am now, just enjoying It as I learn more from It, so I think despite of other people sayings, Ubuntu has acomplish by bringing new users to this wonderful Linux world. This is just a humble opinion, greetings to everyone and peace out! Amor y Paz!!!!!!!
@@kevinsteinman8967 thanks Kevin, and I'm even encouraging my friends to stay away from Microsoft Windows if they need help to installed I will deliver Help!
A couple of my long time Arch using developer friends have recently switched to Ubuntu and it has me thinking about this for sure. I'm happy on Fedora myself, though.
I've used Ubuntu for over 10 years now. I've tried a TON of other distributions. In 2011 I was looking for another DE and ended up switching between all kinds of distros (Gentoo with the the bloat that was KDE took 3 days to compile on my pentium 4 lol). I ended up right back on Ubuntu because I was familiar with it. The community was still massive and most of the software I wanted required less upkeep and work. I've put a few new machines on debian GNU/Linux on the Machines I want to keep Free (DFSG is fantastic for keeping malicious "Open Source" garbage at bay) But for work and my primary machines I stick to Ubuntu. I have YET to hear a compelling reason to change. 6:30 - lol Google is spyware, Steam is spyware, Netflix is Spyware, Chrome is spyware - Proprietary Software made by companies that collect and sell user data is spyware. Saying this is far from "crazy". But to be fair the Amazon stuff was in like 15.10 i think which is a point release and it was fixed by 16.04 LTS.
A bit more than 2 years later now. Ubuntu after being installed can't boot on many machines,. The Snap is more than buggy. You want to remove a program in Ubuntu software and can't do the job. They are always 9-10 messages in Logs pointing chronic problems that are never solved. Often messages on the calendar/time menu that says x program will be updated in 15 days, etc. etc. Debian (when you know what iso to take) works rock solid, no problem to install it. In fact if you download Debian's iso with non-free firmwares with the live version (with calameres) the installation is pretty fast and easy and works perfectly (without having to find what to modify in the bios).
When I began my Linux journey back in 2005, I started out with Red Hat mainly because the software was included with the textbook for my Linux class. I remember it being a stable OS but it wasn't very user friendly (I remember one time that you had to mount the USB flash drives in order to use them, something that's very foreign now). When I came back to Linux last month after a long hiatus, I had chose Ubuntu for the fact that it was extremely user friendly and haven't looked back. I like Ubuntu.
Thank you. This was enlightening and humbling. I haven't been actively hating on Ubuntu, but I have had this perception that it's the closest to Windows we have (regarding the bad stuff). I am happy to learn that's really not the case.
I think the Amazon thing permanently hurt Ubuntu's reputation. The big user friendly Linux distro must be privacy focused, a lot of people I know who want to switch to a Linux distro with good privacy from Windows 10. But when they hear about the Amazon spyware in Ubuntu they stay on Windows.
@@MrDarkbluewater The "lens" in unity was basically a plugin for the search feature that sent search queries to Amazon so that products and listing could be displayed directly in the unity dash. The act of sending search queries to a third party is why some call it "spyware". There is a good case to be made for the position that such functionality should not have been the default to begin with. That is my position though personally I don't mind the feature existing as long as it's opt in and the user is given the choice to enable it or leave it disabled/not installed. At least then the user wouldn't have to risk any of their data (search queries) being collected before they figure out how to disable and remove the lens. But, afaik the whole thing was removed shortly after unity was officially replaced with gnome shell. I use Pop! OS btw.
The only reason I don't like Ubuntu is because the PPA system is kinda weird. I run Manjaro because its as easy to use as Ubuntu, with Pacman+AUR support.
Ubuntu brought new users to community. Ubuntu gave life to Trisquel. Ubuntu Touch made it possible for you to escape from Android/iOS duopoly. Ubuntu made a cross platform package manager so you can install software without you thinking about whater is it on your distro's repos or not. Even if you don't like it you can at least show it the respect it desereves.
The niche of Ubuntu is that it tries to be a Linux-Windows replacement instead of a good Linux distribution. It just won't serve you well if you want to leave your stable, enterprise shell and explore the world beyond. It has its own niche and it does it well. That's the point of having Linux distros: you get to do what you want. Some people need that stability and "it just works". It does that well, and so I call it "great software".
I started with Debian several years ago, and it was pretty easy. I think that comes from wanting stuff configured and customized the way I want it, so any OS is going to have a fair bit of tweaking that needs to be done for me to be content with it. Running fast out of the box doesn't mean running fast out of the box the way I want it. Take some time during install or after install - same difference, really.
That "elitism" point is probably just banter. Look, people switch distros many many times, and of course promote their current one everywhere they can. It's just going to happen. Live with it. And the "it's going to wrong way" stuff is criticism, not hate. There's a massive difference. I think this is a problem that was never there.
Sorry about the such sarcasm, but I get sick an tired of people who say they use Arch as though they feel they are smarter. As long as someone is using any distro of linux I am all for it. Don't throw it in peoples faces and you are not ELITE. There will always be someone smarter then you and just uses Ubuntu, Red Hat, Manjaro, Linux Mint and or PepperMint or any one of the other Distros out there. We are here to help each other and it forwards Linux into the mainstream I'm all for it.
@@budsyremo every linux distro can run games, but arch installation process can be a bit difficult for new linux user. If you want to use arch, may i suggest you use manjaro.
Over the past few weeks I've tried a lot of Linux distros as I'm wanting to make the move from Windows after the w10 will be our last os lie money spinner. The 1st one I tried was Ubuntu and I was blown away as to how good it was. Although I did like it I preferred the simple clean lines of Linux mint.
Personally, I think Manjaro is a better "out of the box" system. I dont like the ppa system or snaps, and the ability to use the AUR if needed makes much much more sense than anything else. I also think that DEs like XFCE make for much better environments than Unity or Gnome. Obviously there is Xubuntu or other flavors, but I they dont seem to have the same support and arent as refined as the desktops on Manjaro.
i started with mandrake linux back in like 98-99...stuck with it because it was easier to install than others, which made it the "ubuntu" of that time...nothing wrong with having a stable option with long term support, ubuntu is great
When I first used Linux I had to more or less install and build most of the os manually. These days I use Ubuntu because it proved itself working best without me having to do/fix things like decade ago and I still don't have practical issues so no reason for me to changer. I can use whatever keeps me being able to to my job and does not get in the way and currently Ubuntu does all that for me. For desktop purposes I think that a 6mo release cycle is perfect, since I mostly use XMonad, Emacs, Chrome and a terminal (alacritty and some times urxvt) whatever changes made to the desktop environment side is not even something I notice in my day to day work.
I always say use the best distro that suits you and your workflow. I did the same back in 92 build my first linux system and now I use Gentoo (not bragging, just works for me) and my wife and kids, and grandkids like to use Linux Mint. Use what suits you the best.
I just make my own minimal debian/openbox because my hardware is not great. I think debian testing is close enough to arch for me, i'm usually in the terminal anyway. Arch was too much work, but I loved the way it made my old stuff look new.
It feels like we have this need to show everyone how hard we had to work to get a functional desktop. "You're using Ubuntu? *my* distro doesn't even come with sudo installed by default. I had to create partition maps and install the bootloader by hand so I mean enjoy your toy operating system n00b." Using Ubuntu where almost everything works out of the box is anathema. It's probably useful to do some naval gazing and think about whether you actually like linux or if you like the process of building something from scratch. Maybe go check out Redox?! I'm talking to myself mostly. :) Over the last year I've been flipping through distros on my Thinkpad and while I settled on Arch because I like getting the latest packages as soon as the code is released, I know I probably *should* be using Ubuntu for a stable functional linux laptop. It's a balance between a prescriptive distro where everything works, and a distro where it feels like you've selected exactly what you want to have installed and running is there and nothing more. Ima go checkout 19.10 on my Thinkpad again why the heck not?
Just use whatever works for you. Ubuntu is easy to get up and running and get to work quickly, and a ton of community support online due to its popularity.
all i have to say is that as someone trying to leave windows, all of this makes the transition so annoying, so unpleasant, that i'm almost just giving up and opting to hack windows instead.
The real problems with Ubuntu are: - Gnome: Although it is so resource hungry it hurts, gnome isn't all that bad. But the customization Ubuntu uses on gnome makes it absolutely hideous and that is why I always recommend a Ubuntu fork like Xubuntu, Kubuntu and others. - Snaps: why do I need a 20mb+ calculator shipped by default? Make snaps optional for goodness sake. Besides it clutters lsblk output with junk and personally this drives me crazy. - Apt: apt it is a dated package manager which get in the way of the user instead of helping them. Just use apt purge on a large package and you will see how many packages are left behind. Many times when it breaks, for whatever reason, it produces horrible logs so that it is extremely difficult to diagnose the root of the problem. I have seen many times a "buggy" apt update which throws lots of nasty and unhelpful messages that the user just cannot fix and leaves it like that for an indefinite amount of time. - PPAs: isn't the whole point of having a package manager to just shoot a command and install whatever you want? PPAs make this impossible, since every time you want some random piece of software chances are you will have to google how to install it and add a new repository. It is so painfully bad there is even software for managing PPAs.
Reminds me in 2009, when Canonical sent a live CD Ubuntu Karmic Koala to me, as my first love Linux distro, FREELY!! And now i'm using Ubuntu studio on my machine. Respect for Ubuntu!
I think Ubuntu is a really valuable distro. I started on Ubuntu 3 years ago and distro hopped to Arch the following semester. Ubuntu taught me a lot of core skills (namely using the terminal for general use and development) but didn't feel perfect or custom. It was enough to get me started, but not so much that I wouldn't descend further, which I think is how it should be. Also Ubuntu server is pretty nice.
Started out on Ubuntu Unity as a desktop distro and a server. Tried Fedora/Gnome-shell on laptop, switched it to Elementary. Installed Arch on a custom because Ubuntu lacked AMDGPU at the time and fell in love with it, but I always run Ubuntu servers and VM's. I'm currently using Ubuntu 18.04 with Gnome, Arch/Openbox, and still Elementary on laptops. I don't see anything wrong with Ubuntu, and I think they make a lot of great contributions to Linux overall. Reinventing the wheel is what most projects do, and we get better stuff out of that.
As you mentioned N.I.H. (first time I've heard of that), and my take on that is more about quality over quantity in that just because you can (fork), doesn't mean you should. Focus on improving what's here instead of making a fork just to change a handful or less of minor aspects of something (kind of like how the vast majority of distros based on Ubuntu are mainly just theme changes and a couple of different preinstalled things). I have used Ubuntu since the 9.04 days, and it just works for me. It's pre-configured OOTB and it does what I need it to do without having to muck about with tweaking configs
I had a prof in computer science say Ubuntu wasn't real Linux. Then again, he made us use C99 for compiling even though this was in 2017 and new features were added. I'm currently running XFCE DE on Ubuntu because Unity is kind of buggy on 18.04 and does really weird stuff when resizing windows or trying to play games, and I also can't stand Gnome. I have a really good setup with how XFCE manages workspaces and menus, and customized it in such a way that when I go to use my mom's Linux Mint computer or have to use Windows or Mac for school, I get really confused. Having to install Gnome-tweaks does some stuff that Unity doesn't, but it's still not what works for me. And as a student, I love having apt commands for updates and ppas for installation. It makes is so much easier than having to relearn all these things after about 7 years of using Ubuntu.
Ubuntu was exciting once, Canonical had plans for the future that I could really get behind like device convergence which is what MIR and Unity was all about. I was looking forward to having my phone, tablet and desktop all using Ubuntu (Remember the crowd sourcing for Ubuntu Phone, it failed but was an awesome effort ) . Now in 2020 it's just another Distro. It's abandoned Unity and Ubuntu touch, As a company it's no longer visionary and is more focused preservation and protection of what it allready has.
I can't tell you why other people don't like Ubuntu, but I can tell you why I dislike it. I started my linux "journey" on OpenSUSE in 2005 or 2006. Since OpenSUSE came out in October of '05 I think it was 2006. Ubuntu was the new kid on the block back then so I chose a distro made by some people with a few years of experience behind them. In 2008 Ubuntu came out with their ubi installer for windows and several XP reinstalls had long since erased my OpenSUSE installation. By 2009 I was dual-booting Win7 and Ubuntu. Then came 2010 and 2012. Not only did Ubuntu "betray" the open source community by forking the Gnome 3 project and causing further fragmentation in the field with Unity and Mir but in 2012 they got access to their users desktop searches and further sent them to AMAZON in order to provide on desktop advertising. People were upset when Windows 10 did it, I was less so because I had already lived thought that entire debacle once with Ubuntu. Things only got worse as time passed and Ubuntu stopped being the best Linux distro for new users. First came Mint and it's codex, then came PoP!OS. Both of which were and the latter still is a better version of Ubuntu. Worse off were the many broken packages that Ubuntu has in it's repositories. Just try installing Bookworm. For as much as I dislike that application, it at least works on most other distro's that have it in their repos. Not on Ubuntu. Why? because Bookworm needs a library that was built for Elementary and Ubuntu doesn't have that library in their repo. You can install Bookworm, you just can't run it. You have to add the Elementary repos, install Bookworm, and then erase the Elementary repos from your list. Ubuntu has tried to enter the smartphone market, the IoT devices market and many more field while failing, again ,and again, and again. They are now a Server OS company that makes most of it's money in that field. The death of unity, the attempts to get rid of the 32 bit libraries, their many failed ventures... Canonical has proven they don't really care about desktop Ubuntu and if it wouldn't have risked hurting their image they would have gotten rid of the 32 bit libraries last year. Hell, if it wouldn't hurt their image they would most likely get rid of their entire desktop distro and team since that part of their business isn't actually making them money. But yes, some linux elitists will hate ubuntu just because it's trendy, has a large market share, it's easy to install - not hte easiest any longer - it's easy to use - again, not the easiest any longer. I'm not one of those people. I might have disagreed with Ubuntu's Unity initiative, but I stuck with them until 2012 when they hit me over the head with what Canonical really stood for. The fact that Unity itself was been abandoned, as well as the broken installs in their repos and their lack of understanding of the need for 32 bit libraries on desktop have only reinforced by decision to never use Ubuntu ever again.
Thank you for this. I was wondering why all the hate. So it boils done to egos cause some people are using another Linux distro and the other is the Amazon thing. I get 99% of my stuff from amazon. So it’s not like they don’t know me already. Stupid stupid world we live in.
Ubuntu breaks and removes stuff I like to use: - breaks command-not-found cause the lists are precompiled and take no 3rd party repos into account - has no pdiff which makes apt-file horrible to use - no easy way to stay on testing like Debian where I can just use testing instead of bullseye - way to many apt sources my. Debian has 2 right now and not 8 which combined with no pdiffs usually takes forever to update. - they don't use apt-get dist-upgrade but there own upgrade tool which usually makes stuff harder for me and tends to break stuff I am coming from Ubuntu and more often than not Debian just does the job better for me. Ubuntu kinda redoes apt and breaks the features I find really interesting and making the kinda slow apt slower again and disables improvements. I have nothing against Snap but I don't like that my browser ships in their by default. Debian also has popcon but by default it is not checked and it straight up tells you that you might not want to activate it. Ubuntu tries to convince you to activate it. When you mention Ubuntu server. I find it really hard to find the standard server iso which has encryption support. The live one has that not for whatever bizarre reason. Also the problem is that most people don't care about their data, security or what they run. It should just do the thingy with the blue E and then the rest is not my problem. And the problem with the amazon lens was that they send all your search queries to amazon like windows does with Cortana which is not acceptable for a mostly file and program search.
Du sprichst mir von der Seele. Ich bin von Windows auf Ubuntu umgestiegen. Mit null Ahnung. Jetzt probiere ich bis April openSUSE Tumbleweed, Manjaro usw. aus. Aber hätte nicht mit Ubuntu angefangen, wäre ich wahrscheinlich wieder bei Windows. So denke ich das alle Linux distros gut sind. Es kommt nur drauf an ob sie einem gefallen und ob man mit ihr zurecht kommt. Ich mag zum Beispiel Arch, aber es ist für mich immer noch ein Geheimnis.
5:39 The Unity was disaster. I don't know why you saying like "it always be people that resists change" because all my friends was shocked. The same for the Gnome 3 which is still totally unusable crap. That's why MATE and Gnome-flashback was developed by independent devs to have at least something usable.
It's Gnome and their pre-installed garbage. The problem is that when you remove all that you are left with Debian and also begging the question why use it at all.
Thank DT for this amazing video. Everybody asks the same questions, how to make Linux better? Or how to make Linux more popular, it is an obvious answer, buy supporting the Linux companies like RHEL, Canonical and Suse, they are the ones that can take desktop to the other side of the river, I'm an Arch user my self, but arch, void, Gentoo or even mx Linux and mint are not going to get us anywhere.
I seriously got started in Linux with Ubuntu 10.04. I'm currently using 18.04 and 19.10 on different computers. I test other distros from time to time, but it really comes down to the fact that I spend my time using programs to get stuff done and play games. I think I'm over the 'grass is greener' syndrome for the most part. If a different distro suits someone else, why should I care?
I'm a power user who started from Red Hat 6.0 days and ubuntu is my daily driver. Its a system that works right out of the box on all my machines, requiring least amount of setup time, and all while you stay connected to the internet. I've distro-hopped a lot but somehow I always come back to a ubuntu base image because it works well with quirky hardware. Having said that, I am not a fan of the ubuntu desktop overall and always end up installing fluxbox or something else. I'm probably one of those rare users who used to install my ubuntu from bottom up, using the mini.iso minimal/net install image. That way I could pick what gets installed. And I sometimes prefered that approach over Arch, because with just a few apt commands you get a pre-configured keyboard, mouse, wireless and all the basic things you need, its stuff I don't feel I need to re-invent.
Good rant! Having started as a RHEL user and advocate I have since moved all my personal Linux boxes to Ubuntu and use Ubuntu on about 90% of the VMs at work. I think the main reasons are 1.) Better device driver support 2.) Way better package manager and 3.) Documentation is everywhere. Try finding official RHEL docs without having to log-in.
I'm still a linux newbie (2years) distro hopped alot from Ubuntu and its many branches and manjaro. And settled with POP_os for now just worked good for my work flow. Thinking of going back to Manjar for my laptop.
Hello, I started out with kubuntu in 2011 and used it for like 2 years until i broke it. then i distro hopped and watched people hate ubuntu and canonical and started hating them too. i never really questioned myself if i'm right or just very wrong until this video in 2020. Thanks @DistroTube for this video. Now i wonder if i'd even be using linux today if it wasn't for ubuntu. i'll install ubuntu again and see if i really don't like it or if i love it. and i would give up this senseless hate towards people who use ubuntu. thanks again
I think Ubuntu should offer a rolling release edition. The only thing i don't like about Ubuntu is the older packages in the repos, apart from this it is a great reliable distro. I also started and learned Linux on ubuntu, until i was curious to learn more and move on to other distros and to found out what i really like is to have the latest release of my packages and DE, so this is why now i prefer the rolling release model.
I installed ubuntu recently and I am perfectly happy with it. I haven't encountered anything bad with it that hinders the experience. I think I like it more than Windows 10, just a simpler look, quick and easier to get things setup like internet connections. I mean, in Linux, you just click one button to let the OS know that the network connection must always be connected to, while on Win10, I had to look up a guide for scheduled tasks for that specific network connection type. Why didn't they put an auto-connect in there, just like in Linux?
I'm somewhere around an intermediate level Linux user and I'm also a Linux Mint user here. 😁💚🌿 Linux Mint initially derived from Ubuntu but it's now slowly switching over to Debian (with Debian being the roots of both Ubuntu and Linux Mint that makes sense). I still use the Ubuntu variant of Linux Mint but I will eventually switch to a different Debian/Ubuntu based operating system or maybe I will try Manjaro or some other intermediate level Linux operating system. Also you have PopOS, ElementaryOS, ZorinOS, etc. Many different distributions but I stick to Linux Mint because it is super stable and just works (all I have to do on a fresh installation is install Chromium, Microsoft Fonts, Steam, GIMP and a few other things. This saves me a lot of time!). Also the updates are done on my terms which is once or twice a month. I don't want to have to fiddle around with my system too much to get it the way I want it. Ubuntu is nice if you're a Windows/MAC user. Linux Mint is nice if you're a Windows user. I came over from Windows 7, but I've used Windows 8 and 10.
Someone once told me that "Linux Mint Must Die"... (LOL) Ubuntu, Mint and others get hate because they labeled as a "Noob" distributions. But they are not really for just new users as many very advanced or elite users also use these distributions. And it doesn't matter if you dislike or don't use a distribution, just give respect anyway.
I'm sorry, DT I usually love all your video content and informed opinions, however I completely disagree when you said you believe having amazon keylogging services on ubuntu isn't spyware.
I started on Ubuntu and moved away from it when they moved away from gnome 2. I still use Ubuntu based distributions, because of how stable and still easy it is. Got to say though: the Unity UI is absolute king if you want to get your grandpa or someone away from having their machine constantly break down to malware.
Yes, Ubuntu is a fantastic tool. Those that advocate the spyware actions by Canonical should prove their arguments. In fact, it is an very ready and complete tool. I use Ubuntu for trading and even using Wine is almost perfect. Banking security tools are ready to .deb .rpm and is a headache to install Warsaw solution, for example, in any other distro. To be baked by a company is not a problem in a free world. Canonical has done more to FOSS than many of its critics. It is not perfect, but what is?
Very well educated and ellaborate arguments here, thanks Derek for making this very informative video! I started with SuSe 18 years ago and hopped onto the Ubuntu train with 10.04 and really liked it until it became a drag game performance wise (16.04 or 16.10 was my last Ubuntu). So I moved to Manjaro, for which I needed to learn some new tricks. So yeah Ubuntu was a big part in my Linux learning experience, and it was a good one.
Ok. Let's get this straight. I'm a Linux user for a long time. It doesn't matter what Linux based Distro you use it's the same. The only difference is package management and how optimized the DE/WM is. I run multiple systems with Ubuntu 18.04, Gentoo and Fedora 28 and I gotta say it's flawless. I use Fedora server for my up and running CS:GO and CS 1.6 server, I use gentoo on my main pc where I do all the gaming and spend my time in designing or developing and I use Ubuntu on my notebook where I just surf the Internet, do some coding and learning, etc. My point is every distro works. None of the distro is bad. Except for Arch I don't know what is the purpose of Arch. Thankyou for reading.
Ubuntu is fine. I don't personally use it because I like a distro that doesn't change my settings much but for people who just want to use their computer without many configs its great.
Hahaaha I start with Slackware 9 , then migrate to Debian I end up on mint linux :) I hate no distro. I just use those siuts me. Don't care to use debian centos or *buntu or even arch if i need total flexibility and bleeding edge. Only OS proactively wont use is windows
I started out on Ubuntu a few years ago, still running the installation (upgraded to newer versions obviously). But I love not getting any BSOD's any more. Only changed my desktop environment to KDE Plasma. Oh yes, and running the Xanmod kernel. :D
I agree with what you said, and I really like your theme of "If it works use it". I have that attitude as well and use what, for me WORKS. I didn't start on Ubuntu, but I have used it. I can't say I 'hate' ubuntu, but I don't like gnome. For me I use a distro called Q4OS. This uses Debian and the Trinity desktop. It works, it is very easy to use and set things up. I don't think there should be hate towards distros just because they do things different, but in life there is so much hate towards others who are different, and that is just so wrong too. Let people use what is good for them and stop the hating!
False. I jumped from 20+ years in Windows right into Fedora. And this was my gratest descision! I do not want even to see any Shmubuntu's, Shmarchus existing. :) :)
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I started with RedHat 5 in the 90s, by the time Ubuntu came out, I was already using Gentoo. I never understood why people used Ubuntu over Debian. Debian's fine.
@Pigeon's Poop You shouldn't. It's a niche distro for people who want to, basically, design their own distro. The only window managers I have installed are i3-gaps and DWM. The only terminal emulators I have installed are urxvt & st. It's for control freaks with OCD ;)
Debian is a lot let user friendly then Ubuntu. When I started with Linux in 2005-2006 Suse and Redhat where the user friendly distros. Debian wasn't really recommended even then.
@thegeorgezila no wonder you type like someone that will have dyslexia if seeing a single long paragraph. Old age makes bad eyes huh? Old people are often ignorant of reality gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share. Or are you the type that still claims Android is still Linux when it's dominantly controlled by Google? Oh wait, Linux community doooo love claiming others success as their own. "Company this and that use Linux, Linux user community increases by 0.01%, hey same work is faster on Linux than Windows, yeah it's community good job. Windows? Fuck them, yeah even the users too". Elitist like you is the one that never grows up.
In my opinion Ubuntu is harder to set up than Arch. Here is a little example: In order to set up full disk encryption for your Ubuntu system on a modern EFI machine (without using the automatic installer option, which reformats the whole drive and only knows one predefined partition scheme) you HAVE TO have an EFI system partition (no surprises there), a separate boot partition (which will contain GRUB) and you need to set up a LVM volume group inside the LUKS container even if you don't plan on using multiple partitions in the LUKS container. The reason Ubuntu needs a separate boot partition containing GRUB is really dumb: This is, because the Ubiquity installer automatically installs the ESP files to /boot/efi (cannot be changed in the UI) and it installs GRUB to whatever partition is chosen to be mounted at /boot (so you can't choose the ESP as target for the GRUB files). And the reason Ubuntu needs a LVM volume group inside the LUKS container is still unknown to me. Now comes the real kicker. Even if you partition and format everything correctly, the Ubiquity Installer will crash anyway. It finishes installing a full Ubuntu system, but crashes while installing GRUB, so you have to mount everything (including virtual file systems like /dev, /dev/pts, /proc, /sys), chroot into the system and install GRUB manually. How does setting up full disk encryption look like on Arch? You need an EFI system partition, optionally you can create a separate boot partition for GRUB, but you don't need to. Furthermore, you will need a partition for the LUKS container. If you plan on having more than one encrypted partition, you can set up LVM on LUKS (or LUKS on LVM), otherwise you don't need to set up LVM. Mount everything, pacstrap, mkinitcpio (with HOOKS adjusted according to whether you use LUKS, LVM on LUKS or LUKS on LVM), grub-install to your desired location (e.g. separate boot partition or EFI system partition), grub-mkconfig, done. No errors, no complications, no bugs, more options.
People just feel they need to hate something to make themselves look better. They target anything they can. Ubuntu is a piece of low-hanging fruit for that purpose because "everyone hates Ubuntu". I've been using Linux for about 15 years (Started on Mandrake), and I use Kubuntu for my distro of choice these days just because of hardware compatibility. I've had people tear into me for it. In-fighting in FOSS has been the norm since I can remember. Even back when I was an active participant in the Ubuntu community (way back in the early days), you saw the same crap from people tearing down RedHat and SUSE, among others. Thankfully, the mods almost always stepped in to stop it, but it's something that seems to be inherent in the tech community as a whole. Heck, if you get the chance, watch "BBS: The Documentary" by Jason Scott (it's on TH-cam and Internet Archive). You'll find the same sort of tribalism happened during the Commodore/TRS/Apple/Amiga/Atari days as well, with people saying they shouldn't run the BBS on the "wrong hardware". It's...quite sad to see. Friendly competition poisoned by bad apples. All it really is.
i love ubuntu and their project, i've tried and used daily bases Fedora (and love their vanilla gnome shell), Debian (and testing branch), OpenSUSE and Arch, and their forks, flavors and distros based on those. And a bunch of others that i've tested but not engage. agreed, it's not reasonable channel hat over such a project, we need more love and enthusiasm in our communities and projects.
Ask me I am new to Linux world I installed Ubuntu and Pop os which both had obvious shortcoming in performance and functionality bloated, now I almost quit then triad debian and was really amazed how polish and in another level stability wise it never broke and all packages work and compile fine, unlike Ubuntu. If you going to game go for Ubuntu but for serious software pro use just use debian much more better 10 times stable, I am developer only used both for 3 months now
"Because it lets everybody to use linux in their PC for general purpose, and make linux a non geeky platform. The elite linux guys hate poor non geeks using linux." some fb user
I also started Linux desktop journey with Ubuntu in 2005, had not touched any mainstream not rolling distros since ~2012, imagine it is ok for a Dev to develop on it as it's same base as your deploy env. It's ok for a newcomer for doing basic stuff and getting grip of Linux, for me it was always this: recompiling half of an os coz some stuff that I wanted required recent libs etc. etc. Imagine it's different coz of snap, appimage etc. , (using containers is still waste of space both memory and storage), adding 100+ repos is also fun ;) so obviously I hopped luckily to manjaro wich I run on my main desktop to this day (same install about 8 years old) and I am very happy with it, recent enough and update cycle is excellent, each to their own. Conclusion: Linux whatever it's form is fantastic but some distros do their things better then the others for example keeping pace with active projects (shiny new things, big fps in games etc) or being predictable in theirs release cycle for devs and users that do not fancy diving deep into innards of the beast, thank You. P.s. English is not my native)
I personally first used ubuntu in 2009 on a hp laptop, almost nothing worked, so frustrating. in 2019 I used Arch then switched to void. I really don't trust desktop environments so for some time I just used a WM. Then came emacs. Oh boy, lifestyle changer. No external WM needed just EXWM.
See Derrick, your right, especially with the elitism stuff. I've been a Linux user since the early days of Red Hat and Suse. Back when you had to have a certain type of hardware to get things like graphics and modems, heck chipsets to work properly. It was a much bigger task to install and use the linux kernel, let alone x.org and a shell. Given all that knowledge, I am still learning. I watch your channel and I'll learn something new or add to what I already know.. the best part, a quality to highlight, you might be a fairly technical guy, but at least your sharing that knowledge with others. Many in the linux world won't and if they do it's not a fun experience. I never wanted to be like that, I promoted Ubuntu all the way up to 10.10. When they abandoned Gnome 2.x and came up with Unity, that was the start of my fallout. Don't get me wrong, I didn't mind Unity. But most new users might find it confusing, let alone the overhead in terms of memory and cpu power kept me from promoting it. Thankfully we've got Mint. But I like how easy these two distros are to setup and use. I think of them as an on ramp to better things. It's true personally I would rather run Debian because I love the long term support, but that's not for new users. Typically they're looking for an easy way. Today I have few reservations with recommending Linux to a frustrated Windows user, but when I do I use a lot of care. We don't want to invite people to be frustrated with us. The problem with Ubuntu still in my opinion is work flow. It doesn't carry an easy, logical interface. It's Gnome 3 and even with the Ubuntu dressing it's still not for everyone. It takes some serious adjustment coming from the Windows world. Again, thank god for Mint.
I like Ubuntu i have no problems with Ubuntu. But one reason why i don't like Ubuntu is LTS and its older packeges in LTS. I wish it updated its packeges a little bit. becuase i really like deepin-music player and no 18.04 LTS can build or complie it. One reason why i think they need to make LTS better
Running Ubuntu 20.04 as my daily, simple,fast, looks good whats not to like maybe some people just like the sound of slack, arch or Gentoo, knock yourself out ill be enjoying Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is not perfect but think of a Linux world without the contributions of Canonical/Ubuntu! Where would we be today without all that they have done for the community?
I for one appreciate their efforts
Yeah, I really hope this was a sarcastic comment from BDL, because that would be quite funny. But, if it is serious, then... ouch.
@ Actually, the appearance of Ubuntu forced or inspired (depending on your point of view) other distributions to focus more on usability. Its slogan at the time was ""Linux for human beings", whereras other distributions focused on the needs of developers or enterprise users. This is an important part of Ubuntu's legacy.
(I am not an Ubuntu user, by the way. I used Ubuntu 16.04 for a few months, but I have more experience with Fedora, Manjaro and MX Linux.)
I started with Linux on Ubuntu 6.10 on an original CD shipped free from Canonical. I loved it on the HP dv6150us I had at that moment. I've hopped a lot after that, sometimes to Ubuntu to see the new features. Now I use Debian but will try the newest Ubuntu very soon. I like to see changes/upgrades/new things in the distros I've used in the past.
I'm open to use whatever Linux comes my way, as long as docker can be used in it.
Nah, other distros could have taken Ubuntu's gap.
For a long time Ubuntu has not been the king if you consider user-friendliness. Its overpopulariry may also has contributed for suffocating other projects.
@Learn Linux I don't think that they haven't contributed anything. Even Microsoft contributed something. Is it a net positive, though? I'm not sure.
I love Ubuntu. It just works. 😍 I am a busy person and I don’t have the time to tinker my OS all day just to set up my Linux desktop.
I use fedora and ubuntu. I found Ubuntu fantastic on my thinkpad p50. On my older thinkpad Ubuntu had a lot of pulse audio driver bugs, so I went Fedora on it. I prefer the apt package manager and Ubuntu on my P50 is fantastic, but Fedora has incredible performance and stability as well. Much like you my time is too limited to use Arch anymore.
You don't actually need "all day just to set up" a desktop. With scripts, it takes no more than an hour to get Arch/Nix done.
yet you were free enough to watch this video and comment on it, but too busy to setup the system you will work on every day. PS: no hate towards ubuntu, i use pop os myself
@@adityachaudhry7566 most people that say they are too busy to do something that requires learns are just saying "I wont do it cause it has not that much of importance."
ADITYA CHUADHRY Okay.
In the last five years, I've always come back to Ubuntu as my main workhorse. I can rely on it, it's stable and well supported. Quite frankly, I'm thankful for all the work Canonical have put into their various Linux projects and the distro they provide FREE OF CHARGE. They have helped massively with Linux adoption. We should applaud them rather than complain.
I switched from Windows to Linux with Ubuntu. I love the feel and control but also easy to use, maintain and debug... I try other distros... but chose to stay with Ubuntu.
Lol each os has his drawback like try to do an enterprise lsi configuration wich all linux es fail to do properly y mean to join 10 grafic cards together and have huge 10k display Linux kernel is to much ptrace and that is slow as hell in this area windows have to win
@@adriancoanda9227 Heh...?
"I know my enemy out there and it's not a Linux user" more people should think like you
You've hit upon the one thing that I really hate about the Linux community - the elitism! So many people think that they are best because they run a certain distro, and look down on others. Sometimes I think of it as distro snobbery or bragging, and such arrogance really annoys me. Linux as a whole is community led, and as such, we should be united and friendly! Rivalry between us can only harm the FOSS cause. Linux brothers and sisters - be nice, and respect each others' choices - we are all different, but with a common cause, we can make such an amazing difference to the computing world. And if you're wondering, I'm running native Deepin OS, which is glitchy AF, but tons of fun, and the truth is - I'm loving it!
Saying it is elitism is just a way to present valid criticism of Canonical's poor decision making and immoral practices as something that can easily be dismissed. Those elitists, ptfff!
And this accusation of elitism is factually untrue, because Linux Mint, Manjaro, PopOS and similar easy-to-install-and-use distros do not get nearly as much hate as Ubuntu. And there is a good reason for that: Canonical deserves it.
Almost every criticism that can be justly directed towards Windows can, to a lesser extent, be also said of Ubuntu. That's why people hate it.
It's nothing more disappointing than do your very first install of a Linux distro, for a lot of people, the very first OS installation in their lives, just to get a lot of shit about "political" and "ideals" of Linux community. I don't give af if you hate canonical of google or windows. I just want to use my OS as I need.
@Peter Andrijeczko hey man, can you help me. Linux mint tina upgraded to tricia. No problem in that, but something wrong with grub bootloader. It is still showing it as tina, and trying to open it crashes coz tina does not exists. Plz help
@ Well, Pop!_OS and Manjaro got hate in my experience. Manjaro got much hate because it would be a worse version of Arch and would be for dumb users only and Pop!_OS get hate because it's based on Ubuntu & both, Debian as well as Ubuntu would be bloated as hell what would made it slow and insecure… The "btw I use Arch" is a good example how much people are annoyed from the toxic communities in Linux and especially Arch is known for having one of the most toxic communities in the Tech world.
Personally I like and use Linux Mint Cinnamon. Tried most all distros though, and like a few others as well. I keep checking out new releases as they evolve. I came from Windows, as power user, commandline/batch file writer. Got sick of the bloat and spyware, not to mention forced updates.
All I want is a stable environment to do what I like to do with a PC.
This kind of reminds me of my teenage years when a lot of people started getting tattoos. The guys with tattoos thought they were tough. It was funny really, to watch them puffing their chests out, as if a tattoo made them tougher lol. Now a days tattoos are the norm, and they don't seem to make people feel tough any more.
@thegeorgezila But it's so fuuunnnn…
I do wonder, did you have any issues with Ubuntu-based Mint since you switched from Windows?
I'm in much the same situation as you where, so much so that I'd have switched years ago as well if I didn't manage to stick with Windows 7 for all this time. Alas, I have new hardware and Windows 7 simply won't do any longer. After about a week of Linux distro research I also decided to go with Mint, but with it's Debian-based branch (Mint LMDE 5 'Elise').
I value long-term stability most and it seems like Debian's LTS is more focused on that than Ubuntu's LTS is, hence Mint LMDE 5 > Mint 21 for my use-case, as long as all of my new hardware is supported.
@@DarkVeghetta No issues here with Mint Cinnamon. That may be due to the fact I bought a Lenovo PC, they're tested and built to run Linux out of the box without issues. The hardware is ALL compatible. I tried LMDE, but it was the first version created. It was ok, no problems, I just liked the Ubuntu Debian Mint better. All ubuntu distros have Debian underneath so they're all very stable. Been using Mint now for 6 or 7 years. Have never had even one issue with it. I use Virtual machines on it, I am a programmer constantly writing software, and basically a power user too. I install every update, and I upgrade to every new release too. Hope this answers your question. Unlike Windows, I never get interrupted, or see any lag due to the OS doing things behind my back. (though automatic updates are every day or 3, and I do a total backup every hour. I work through all that without noticing a thing. Right now my PC is an i7 16gb ddr3 and sata 1 ssd drives.
@@riptoff433 Thank you for the information! Best wishes from Romania.
New to Linux .......started with Linux mint and then tried Ubuntu and then distro hopped some more but keep coming back to Ubuntu. My journey is just beginning but good video.
Have you tried MX Linux, PCLinuxOS, or Manjaro?
@@DescendantsOfEnoch or the original, Debian.
@USURPER me too. Set up Ubuntu for beginners, and use Debian myself.
But then again, Raspberry Pi is running Debian (Raspian is Debian with some settings). :-)
"Oh Windows 7, you're so user friendly. I hate that." - Sheldon Cooper
i had to look it up lol th-cam.com/video/7mQD_Wd6Ajo/w-d-xo.html
>>>>Dr.Sheldon Cooper
@@pinuxdude4637 Nobel Laureate Dr. Sheldon Cooper
@@rphuntarchive1 My bad, Thank you my good Sir/Lady
@EVOL Vista was the only Windows I had on my own computers until I had to get Windows 10 because the online exams my university uses requires a special lockdown browser that doesn't work on Linux. And not gonna lie, I miss widgets in Ubuntu. My old Mac has widgets, and Vista had widgets. Ubuntu has some cool indicator apps, and overall is much faster, so it's not a big deal.
I wanted to try Linux like 8 years ago. So I obviously got Ubuntu and... I don't know, I didn't like it.
Years later I come back, no additional Linux experience whatsoever and hear about Arch - through memes, obviously. As much as you hate "I use Arch btw", it really made me deep dive into Linux, and I feel like I'm not the only one. So I installed Manjaro and - whoah! User experience is so much better. I finally feel like I have freedom (so many flavors) and whole Arch Wiki to explore new possibilities.
I am now almost half-year Arch user, and almost a full-year Linux user. I have my own i3 and vim setup and I love everything about it. I love how much freedom it gives me. And this is the thing that Ubuntu fails to do in my opinion. It's Canonical's OS, not yours.
I don't hate Ubuntu. I just hate the fact the the most people who might want to try Linux land on Ubuntu, and it actually can give them wrong impression about whole Linux thing.
Manjaro made me comfortable using arch, however I started disliking the bloat. Thus, when the moment came, I could install arch with no problems
Simply, because I'm an elitist arch user, therefore I'm obligated to hate on everything that is newbie-wise.
Arch is one of my three favorite distros. The other two being Gentoo and Kali (Kali is just superior to Blackarch, Pentoo, and Parrot for pentesting/forensics work).
@Transposer dotpy as a void linux user void linux is not hard to install and it was my first distro, arch is harder
@@trafficcone3620 Void is a distro I have yet to try, but I am curious to give it a go. Currently I use a Gentoo desktop, Gentoo headless server, a Kali laptop, an Arch laptop, and a FreeBSD laptop. The distros I have used are : Redhat, Mandrake, Mandrivia, Debian, SuSE, Rock, Lunar, LFS, Sorcerer, Sourcemage, Gentoo, Bodhi, Arch, Majaro, Back Track, Kali, Pentoo, Blackarch, Elementary, and Mint.
I started with ubuntu. Looked into arch, and I liked it. But my schedules caught up to me and I got less time to tweak my os. Now I'm back with ubuntu and I save so much time.
PS: Arch is good but ubuntu definitely is better if you have less time to spare for tweaking
There are plenty of arch distros that require no tweaking at all. Your statement is just showing your ignorance in this matter
@@travisgoesthere typical arch user
@@louiscassany Not my fault you cant grasp Arch lol
@@travisgoesthere elitism at its finest.
@@JC_BOY How so? Did you just learn that word and are now trying to be edgy using it?
Distro hopping has helped me understand the system. I think a lot of people use it as a learning experience.
Thank you, Derek. Hate is bloat.
Isn't acceptance?
In the early days of Linux, installing was a challenge. Even when Live CDs/USBs worked, sometimes the full installations still failed. Ubuntu changed that. I've been using Ubuntu as my daily driver for two years. Today, I finally deleted what was left of my original Windows partition and decided to install Manjaro on it in a dual boot set-up. The Manjaro USB booted flawlessly. I installed it and everything seemed to go fine. Then I rebooted and it wouldn't start. A bit of searching online suggested that it was a graphics driver problem. I'm sure there's a load of geek credibility to getting a distro working against all odds, but I just want a working OS. I rebooted into the Live USB, and deleted the spare partition and expanded my existing Ubuntu and Home partitions to take up the space. I still like the idea of Manjaro, but I prefer the simplicity of a working OS.
I've also experienced problems like the one you mention with Manjaro
No, Ubuntu didn't change that. Red Hat changed that.
@@KnutBluetooth they both done for it
I tried Ubuntu before switching 100% to Linux and I didn't like how it was soon after I discovered manjaro and that started my love for linux
Same here.
I actually started with manjaro and switched to Ubuntu. I didn't switch to linux to have distro that constantly needs updates (ptsd from windows 10 auto update) and still is a half broken (as rolling release distros quite understandably are) . After you understand your de well enough distro becomes immaterial. apt has longer command but has autorecovery in case of errors that pacman screws. up most of the time
@@_tsu_ Longer command? Just create aliases. For example, I have "sau" and "sai" (sudo apt update and sudo apt install ", among many others. And yea, screw rolling release. I'd rather have a stable OS.
@@zeppelin0110 LMAO!!!! You're either a fanboy or you haven't tried Manjaro! It's as stable as Ubuntu and maybe even more!
@@godnyx117 Manjaro is bloated
Ubuntu has the widest range of software, so I use it and am very pleased ....
No, Debian has. Ubuntu is a subset of Debian. 😜
But if you like Ubuntu, all power to you...
Alex Gots huh try arch btw
+M'Kermy btw
arch technically has the widest range of software
@@kjullthedemon oh sorry
I had a friend in college who used Ubuntu. If it weren't for that I probably never even would have thought of trying Linux years later when I was dissatisfied with early versions of Windows 10.
I currently run Ubuntu 19.10 on my desktop system and Mint 18.3 on my laptop. I switched my mom to Ubuntu years ago and she hasn't expressed any dissatisfaction at all. She's not a "power user" but does absolutely everything she did on Windows on Ubuntu and her system has been surprisingly stable. "Back in the day", I was a Slackware user and decided to try Ubuntu to see what a distribution was like where I didn't have to compile everything from source (which I used to do with Slackware). I sort of miss the days of building everything from source but I've grown to appreciate a system that "just works". My current plan is to install other distributions in VirtualBox to see what else is out there. Thanks for posting this video!
Canonical make an amazing job to the Linux community. I like many distros, but Ubuntu was my 1st linux distro and is the one I use the most.
"Why bother?" That's good advice for life in general :)
why bother? because not all of us are actually fine with "just that"
@@healek9273 Or to put it more eloquently: Choose your battles ;) Not everything in life is critical...
@@samuelschwager Fair enough. If that's behind the "why bother", then by all means just skip it! :D
The thing about sending info to Amazon was it made many people to lose trust on Canonical what it was going to do in future. Privacy compromises often start small and if people don't backlash they can get worse little by little. You lose trust easily, but it's hard to gain it back.
Ubuntu wasn't a thing when I started. I don't quite remember with what I started but I know I distro hopped a lot at the time. I remember SuSE and Redhat were the "user friendly" distros at the time. That was forever ago, man I feel old!
I remember those times. I started with SUSE because it was the user friendly one. I think Ubuntu had just launched when I started and SUSE and Redhat where the crowning kings while Ubuntu was touted as the new friendly distro, but it was too knew to know if it had any future at the time... and now, for some reason, I feel like desktop Ubuntu doesn't have a future.
I started with Linux Mandrake 7.0
@thegeorgezila If you would have also used Debian you would have touched all four cornerstones of "classical" Linux.
You have no idea how Ubuntu distros have helped new users switch over from Microsoft Windows to Linux, I'm one of them, I just started like a month a go. I'm a Zorin user for now and i"d been getting better and better at the terminal, installing my apps, updates, and modifying my desktop environment, I even made it look like a Mac since I never could afford one of those.
Point here is. I probably wouldn't even dare to use Linux, because of the rumors of how difficult It is to use It, install It and here I am now, just enjoying It as I learn more from It, so I think despite of other people sayings, Ubuntu has acomplish by bringing new users to this wonderful Linux world.
This is just a humble opinion, greetings to everyone and peace out! Amor y Paz!!!!!!!
I welcome you to the Linux world. Just say No to Microsoft and it does not matter which distro you use.
@@kevinsteinman8967 thanks Kevin, and I'm even encouraging my friends to stay away from Microsoft Windows if they need help to installed I will deliver Help!
A couple of my long time Arch using developer friends have recently switched to Ubuntu and it has me thinking about this for sure. I'm happy on Fedora myself, though.
I've used Ubuntu for over 10 years now. I've tried a TON of other distributions. In 2011 I was looking for another DE and ended up switching between all kinds of distros (Gentoo with the the bloat that was KDE took 3 days to compile on my pentium 4 lol). I ended up right back on Ubuntu because I was familiar with it. The community was still massive and most of the software I wanted required less upkeep and work.
I've put a few new machines on debian GNU/Linux on the Machines I want to keep Free (DFSG is fantastic for keeping malicious "Open Source" garbage at bay)
But for work and my primary machines I stick to Ubuntu. I have YET to hear a compelling reason to change.
6:30 - lol Google is spyware, Steam is spyware, Netflix is Spyware, Chrome is spyware - Proprietary Software made by companies that collect and sell user data is spyware. Saying this is far from "crazy".
But to be fair the Amazon stuff was in like 15.10 i think which is a point release and it was fixed by 16.04 LTS.
A bit more than 2 years later now. Ubuntu after being installed can't boot on many machines,. The Snap is more than buggy. You want to remove a program in Ubuntu software and can't do the job. They are always 9-10 messages in Logs pointing chronic problems that are never solved. Often messages on the calendar/time menu that says x program will be updated in 15 days, etc. etc.
Debian (when you know what iso to take) works rock solid, no problem to install it. In fact if you download Debian's iso with non-free firmwares with the live version (with calameres) the installation is pretty fast and easy and works perfectly (without having to find what to modify in the bios).
When I began my Linux journey back in 2005, I started out with Red Hat mainly because the software was included with the textbook for my Linux class. I remember it being a stable OS but it wasn't very user friendly (I remember one time that you had to mount the USB flash drives in order to use them, something that's very foreign now). When I came back to Linux last month after a long hiatus, I had chose Ubuntu for the fact that it was extremely user friendly and haven't looked back. I like Ubuntu.
Thank you. This was enlightening and humbling. I haven't been actively hating on Ubuntu, but I have had this perception that it's the closest to Windows we have (regarding the bad stuff). I am happy to learn that's really not the case.
I think they just got rid of amazon not too long ago. if I'm not wrong it's still in 19.10 but 20.04 will finally be free of it
I think the Amazon thing permanently hurt Ubuntu's reputation. The big user friendly Linux distro must be privacy focused, a lot of people I know who want to switch to a Linux distro with good privacy from Windows 10. But when they hear about the Amazon spyware in Ubuntu they stay on Windows.
@@impersonator4439 what do you mean "amazon spyware"?
Wasn't this just a link to amazon using an embedded browser?
@@MrDarkbluewater The "lens" in unity was basically a plugin for the search feature that sent search queries to Amazon so that products and listing could be displayed directly in the unity dash. The act of sending search queries to a third party is why some call it "spyware". There is a good case to be made for the position that such functionality should not have been the default to begin with. That is my position though personally I don't mind the feature existing as long as it's opt in and the user is given the choice to enable it or leave it disabled/not installed. At least then the user wouldn't have to risk any of their data (search queries) being collected before they figure out how to disable and remove the lens. But, afaik the whole thing was removed shortly after unity was officially replaced with gnome shell.
I use Pop! OS btw.
The only reason I don't like Ubuntu is because the PPA system is kinda weird.
I run Manjaro because its as easy to use as Ubuntu, with Pacman+AUR support.
Ubuntu brought new users to community.
Ubuntu gave life to Trisquel.
Ubuntu Touch made it possible for you to escape from Android/iOS duopoly.
Ubuntu made a cross platform package manager so you can install software without you thinking about whater is it on your distro's repos or not.
Even if you don't like it you can at least show it the respect it desereves.
The niche of Ubuntu is that it tries to be a Linux-Windows replacement instead of a good Linux distribution. It just won't serve you well if you want to leave your stable, enterprise shell and explore the world beyond. It has its own niche and it does it well. That's the point of having Linux distros: you get to do what you want. Some people need that stability and "it just works". It does that well, and so I call it "great software".
2004, I was using ubuntu. 2021, I'm using ubuntu again
I started with Debian several years ago, and it was pretty easy. I think that comes from wanting stuff configured and customized the way I want it, so any OS is going to have a fair bit of tweaking that needs to be done for me to be content with it. Running fast out of the box doesn't mean running fast out of the box the way I want it. Take some time during install or after install - same difference, really.
That "elitism" point is probably just banter. Look, people switch distros many many times, and of course promote their current one everywhere they can. It's just going to happen. Live with it. And the "it's going to wrong way" stuff is criticism, not hate. There's a massive difference. I think this is a problem that was never there.
Because in the end, people like to do what they're do best. Argue.
Btw I use Gentoo.
Sorry about the such sarcasm, but I get sick an tired of people who say they use Arch as though they feel they are smarter. As long as someone is using any distro of linux I am all for it. Don't throw it in peoples faces and you are not ELITE. There will always be someone smarter then you and just uses Ubuntu, Red Hat, Manjaro, Linux Mint and or PepperMint or any one of the other Distros out there. We are here to help each other and it forwards Linux into the mainstream I'm all for it.
Is arch good for a complere newbie ? Can it run games too ?
@@budsyremo every linux distro can run games, but arch installation process can be a bit difficult for new linux user. If you want to use arch, may i suggest you use manjaro.
@@kevinsteinman8967 alright. I've deleted the "btw, i use arch" comment. I'm trully sorry.
Over the past few weeks I've tried a lot of Linux distros as I'm wanting to make the move from Windows after the w10 will be our last os lie money spinner. The 1st one I tried was Ubuntu and I was blown away as to how good it was. Although I did like it I preferred the simple clean lines of Linux mint.
Personally, I think Manjaro is a better "out of the box" system. I dont like the ppa system or snaps, and the ability to use the AUR if needed makes much much more sense than anything else. I also think that DEs like XFCE make for much better environments than Unity or Gnome. Obviously there is Xubuntu or other flavors, but I they dont seem to have the same support and arent as refined as the desktops on Manjaro.
Completely agreed. Manjaro with XFCE or Plasma is what I recommend to people first getting into Linux.
Manjaro is bloat
@@TarebossT Maybe you are bloat.
@@Knorz Maybe... but No.
Tareboss T. Yea, a full extra car is bloat too
i started with mandrake linux back in like 98-99...stuck with it because it was easier to install than others, which made it the "ubuntu" of that time...nothing wrong with having a stable option with long term support, ubuntu is great
When I first used Linux I had to more or less install and build most of the os manually. These days I use Ubuntu because it proved itself working best without me having to do/fix things like decade ago and I still don't have practical issues so no reason for me to changer. I can use whatever keeps me being able to to my job and does not get in the way and currently Ubuntu does all that for me.
For desktop purposes I think that a 6mo release cycle is perfect, since I mostly use XMonad, Emacs, Chrome and a terminal (alacritty and some times urxvt) whatever changes made to the desktop environment side is not even something I notice in my day to day work.
I always say use the best distro that suits you and your workflow. I did the same back in 92 build my first linux system and now I use Gentoo (not bragging, just works for me) and my wife and kids, and grandkids like to use Linux Mint. Use what suits you the best.
I just make my own minimal debian/openbox because my hardware is not great. I think debian testing is close enough to arch for me, i'm usually in the terminal anyway. Arch was too much work, but I loved the way it made my old stuff look new.
debian testing is looking good
It feels like we have this need to show everyone how hard we had to work to get a functional desktop. "You're using Ubuntu? *my* distro doesn't even come with sudo installed by default. I had to create partition maps and install the bootloader by hand so I mean enjoy your toy operating system n00b." Using Ubuntu where almost everything works out of the box is anathema. It's probably useful to do some naval gazing and think about whether you actually like linux or if you like the process of building something from scratch. Maybe go check out Redox?! I'm talking to myself mostly. :) Over the last year I've been flipping through distros on my Thinkpad and while I settled on Arch because I like getting the latest packages as soon as the code is released, I know I probably *should* be using Ubuntu for a stable functional linux laptop. It's a balance between a prescriptive distro where everything works, and a distro where it feels like you've selected exactly what you want to have installed and running is there and nothing more. Ima go checkout 19.10 on my Thinkpad again why the heck not?
Just use whatever works for you. Ubuntu is easy to get up and running and get to work quickly, and a ton of community support online due to its popularity.
all i have to say is that as someone trying to leave windows, all of this makes the transition so annoying, so unpleasant, that i'm almost just giving up and opting to hack windows instead.
The real problems with Ubuntu are:
- Gnome: Although it is so resource hungry it hurts, gnome isn't all that bad. But the customization Ubuntu uses on gnome makes it absolutely hideous and that is why I always recommend a Ubuntu fork like Xubuntu, Kubuntu and others.
- Snaps: why do I need a 20mb+ calculator shipped by default? Make snaps optional for goodness sake. Besides it clutters lsblk output with junk and personally this drives me crazy.
- Apt: apt it is a dated package manager which get in the way of the user instead of helping them. Just use apt purge on a large package and you will see how many packages are left behind. Many times when it breaks, for whatever reason, it produces horrible logs so that it is extremely difficult to diagnose the root of the problem. I have seen many times a "buggy" apt update which throws lots of nasty and unhelpful messages that the user just cannot fix and leaves it like that for an indefinite amount of time.
- PPAs: isn't the whole point of having a package manager to just shoot a command and install whatever you want? PPAs make this impossible, since every time you want some random piece of software chances are you will have to google how to install it and add a new repository. It is so painfully bad there is even software for managing PPAs.
Reminds me in 2009, when Canonical sent a live CD Ubuntu Karmic Koala to me, as my first love Linux distro, FREELY!! And now i'm using Ubuntu studio on my machine. Respect for Ubuntu!
I think Ubuntu is a really valuable distro. I started on Ubuntu 3 years ago and distro hopped to Arch the following semester. Ubuntu taught me a lot of core skills (namely using the terminal for general use and development) but didn't feel perfect or custom. It was enough to get me started, but not so much that I wouldn't descend further, which I think is how it should be. Also Ubuntu server is pretty nice.
Started out on Ubuntu Unity as a desktop distro and a server. Tried Fedora/Gnome-shell on laptop, switched it to Elementary. Installed Arch on a custom because Ubuntu lacked AMDGPU at the time and fell in love with it, but I always run Ubuntu servers and VM's. I'm currently using Ubuntu 18.04 with Gnome, Arch/Openbox, and still Elementary on laptops. I don't see anything wrong with Ubuntu, and I think they make a lot of great contributions to Linux overall. Reinventing the wheel is what most projects do, and we get better stuff out of that.
As you mentioned N.I.H. (first time I've heard of that), and my take on that is more about quality over quantity in that just because you can (fork), doesn't mean you should. Focus on improving what's here instead of making a fork just to change a handful or less of minor aspects of something (kind of like how the vast majority of distros based on Ubuntu are mainly just theme changes and a couple of different preinstalled things). I have used Ubuntu since the 9.04 days, and it just works for me. It's pre-configured OOTB and it does what I need it to do without having to muck about with tweaking configs
I had a prof in computer science say Ubuntu wasn't real Linux. Then again, he made us use C99 for compiling even though this was in 2017 and new features were added. I'm currently running XFCE DE on Ubuntu because Unity is kind of buggy on 18.04 and does really weird stuff when resizing windows or trying to play games, and I also can't stand Gnome. I have a really good setup with how XFCE manages workspaces and menus, and customized it in such a way that when I go to use my mom's Linux Mint computer or have to use Windows or Mac for school, I get really confused. Having to install Gnome-tweaks does some stuff that Unity doesn't, but it's still not what works for me. And as a student, I love having apt commands for updates and ppas for installation. It makes is so much easier than having to relearn all these things after about 7 years of using Ubuntu.
I hate ubuntu but I wont hate on someone using it, cuz we have choice in linux :D
That is what it is about.
You gott a good teacher. 😜
Ubuntu was exciting once, Canonical had plans for the future that I could really get behind like device convergence which is what MIR and Unity was all about. I was looking forward to having my phone, tablet and desktop all using Ubuntu (Remember the crowd sourcing for Ubuntu Phone, it failed but was an awesome effort ) . Now in 2020 it's just another Distro. It's abandoned Unity and Ubuntu touch, As a company it's no longer visionary and is more focused preservation and protection of what it allready has.
I can't tell you why other people don't like Ubuntu, but I can tell you why I dislike it.
I started my linux "journey" on OpenSUSE in 2005 or 2006. Since OpenSUSE came out in October of '05 I think it was 2006. Ubuntu was the new kid on the block back then so I chose a distro made by some people with a few years of experience behind them. In 2008 Ubuntu came out with their ubi installer for windows and several XP reinstalls had long since erased my OpenSUSE installation. By 2009 I was dual-booting Win7 and Ubuntu.
Then came 2010 and 2012. Not only did Ubuntu "betray" the open source community by forking the Gnome 3 project and causing further fragmentation in the field with Unity and Mir but in 2012 they got access to their users desktop searches and further sent them to AMAZON in order to provide on desktop advertising. People were upset when Windows 10 did it, I was less so because I had already lived thought that entire debacle once with Ubuntu.
Things only got worse as time passed and Ubuntu stopped being the best Linux distro for new users. First came Mint and it's codex, then came PoP!OS. Both of which were and the latter still is a better version of Ubuntu. Worse off were the many broken packages that Ubuntu has in it's repositories. Just try installing Bookworm. For as much as I dislike that application, it at least works on most other distro's that have it in their repos. Not on Ubuntu. Why? because Bookworm needs a library that was built for Elementary and Ubuntu doesn't have that library in their repo. You can install Bookworm, you just can't run it. You have to add the Elementary repos, install Bookworm, and then erase the Elementary repos from your list.
Ubuntu has tried to enter the smartphone market, the IoT devices market and many more field while failing, again ,and again, and again. They are now a Server OS company that makes most of it's money in that field. The death of unity, the attempts to get rid of the 32 bit libraries, their many failed ventures... Canonical has proven they don't really care about desktop Ubuntu and if it wouldn't have risked hurting their image they would have gotten rid of the 32 bit libraries last year. Hell, if it wouldn't hurt their image they would most likely get rid of their entire desktop distro and team since that part of their business isn't actually making them money.
But yes, some linux elitists will hate ubuntu just because it's trendy, has a large market share, it's easy to install - not hte easiest any longer - it's easy to use - again, not the easiest any longer. I'm not one of those people. I might have disagreed with Ubuntu's Unity initiative, but I stuck with them until 2012 when they hit me over the head with what Canonical really stood for. The fact that Unity itself was been abandoned, as well as the broken installs in their repos and their lack of understanding of the need for 32 bit libraries on desktop have only reinforced by decision to never use Ubuntu ever again.
Thank you for this. I was wondering why all the hate. So it boils done to egos cause some people are using another Linux distro and the other is the Amazon thing. I get 99% of my stuff from amazon. So it’s not like they don’t know me already. Stupid stupid world we live in.
Ubuntu breaks and removes stuff I like to use:
- breaks command-not-found cause the lists are precompiled and take no 3rd party repos into account
- has no pdiff which makes apt-file horrible to use
- no easy way to stay on testing like Debian where I can just use testing instead of bullseye
- way to many apt sources my. Debian has 2 right now and not 8 which combined with no pdiffs usually takes forever to update.
- they don't use apt-get dist-upgrade but there own upgrade tool which usually makes stuff harder for me and tends to break stuff
I am coming from Ubuntu and more often than not Debian just does the job better for me.
Ubuntu kinda redoes apt and breaks the features I find really interesting and making the kinda slow apt slower again and disables improvements. I have nothing against Snap but I don't like that my browser ships in their by default.
Debian also has popcon but by default it is not checked and it straight up tells you that you might not want to activate it. Ubuntu tries to convince you to activate it.
When you mention Ubuntu server. I find it really hard to find the standard server iso which has encryption support. The live one has that not for whatever bizarre reason.
Also the problem is that most people don't care about their data, security or what they run. It should just do the thingy with the blue E and then the rest is not my problem.
And the problem with the amazon lens was that they send all your search queries to amazon like windows does with Cortana which is not acceptable for a mostly file and program search.
Same
Du sprichst mir von der Seele. Ich bin von Windows auf Ubuntu umgestiegen. Mit null Ahnung. Jetzt probiere ich bis April openSUSE Tumbleweed, Manjaro usw. aus. Aber hätte nicht mit Ubuntu angefangen, wäre ich wahrscheinlich wieder bei Windows. So denke ich das alle Linux distros gut sind. Es kommt nur drauf an ob sie einem gefallen und ob man mit ihr zurecht kommt. Ich mag zum Beispiel Arch, aber es ist für mich immer noch ein Geheimnis.
5:39 The Unity was disaster. I don't know why you saying like "it always be people that resists change" because all my friends was shocked. The same for the Gnome 3 which is still totally unusable crap. That's why MATE and Gnome-flashback was developed by independent devs to have at least something usable.
It's Gnome and their pre-installed garbage. The problem is that when you remove all that you are left with Debian and also begging the question why use it at all.
I started with Arch linux after I came across your videos and I really love arch now have been using it for 40days now
Are you on arch still
Thank DT for this amazing video. Everybody asks the same questions, how to make Linux better? Or how to make Linux more popular, it is an obvious answer, buy supporting the Linux companies like RHEL, Canonical and Suse, they are the ones that can take desktop to the other side of the river, I'm an Arch user my self, but arch, void, Gentoo or even mx Linux and mint are not going to get us anywhere.
I seriously got started in Linux with Ubuntu 10.04. I'm currently using 18.04 and 19.10 on different computers. I test other distros from time to time, but it really comes down to the fact that I spend my time using programs to get stuff done and play games. I think I'm over the 'grass is greener' syndrome for the most part. If a different distro suits someone else, why should I care?
I'm a power user who started from Red Hat 6.0 days and ubuntu is my daily driver. Its a system that works right out of the box on all my machines, requiring least amount of setup time, and all while you stay connected to the internet. I've distro-hopped a lot but somehow I always come back to a ubuntu base image because it works well with quirky hardware. Having said that, I am not a fan of the ubuntu desktop overall and always end up installing fluxbox or something else.
I'm probably one of those rare users who used to install my ubuntu from bottom up, using the mini.iso minimal/net install image. That way I could pick what gets installed. And I sometimes prefered that approach over Arch, because with just a few apt commands you get a pre-configured keyboard, mouse, wireless and all the basic things you need, its stuff I don't feel I need to re-invent.
Good rant! Having started as a RHEL user and advocate I have since moved all my personal Linux boxes to Ubuntu and use Ubuntu on about 90% of the VMs at work. I think the main reasons are 1.) Better device driver support 2.) Way better package manager and 3.) Documentation is everywhere. Try finding official RHEL docs without having to log-in.
I'm still a linux newbie (2years) distro hopped alot from Ubuntu and its many branches and manjaro. And settled with POP_os for now just worked good for my work flow. Thinking of going back to Manjar for my laptop.
Hello, I started out with kubuntu in 2011 and used it for like 2 years until i broke it. then i distro hopped and watched people hate ubuntu and canonical and started hating them too. i never really questioned myself if i'm right or just very wrong until this video in 2020. Thanks @DistroTube for this video. Now i wonder if i'd even be using linux today if it wasn't for ubuntu. i'll install ubuntu again and see if i really don't like it or if i love it. and i would give up this senseless hate towards people who use ubuntu. thanks again
I think Ubuntu should offer a rolling release edition. The only thing i don't like about Ubuntu is the older packages in the repos, apart from this it is a great reliable distro. I also started and learned Linux on ubuntu, until i was curious to learn more and move on to other distros and to found out what i really like is to have the latest release of my packages and DE, so this is why now i prefer the rolling release model.
I installed ubuntu recently and I am perfectly happy with it. I haven't encountered anything bad with it that hinders the experience. I think I like it more than Windows 10, just a simpler look, quick and easier to get things setup like internet connections. I mean, in Linux, you just click one button to let the OS know that the network connection must always be connected to, while on Win10, I had to look up a guide for scheduled tasks for that specific network connection type. Why didn't they put an auto-connect in there, just like in Linux?
I'm somewhere around an intermediate level Linux user and I'm also a Linux Mint user here. 😁💚🌿 Linux Mint initially derived from Ubuntu but it's now slowly switching over to Debian (with Debian being the roots of both Ubuntu and Linux Mint that makes sense). I still use the Ubuntu variant of Linux Mint but I will eventually switch to a different Debian/Ubuntu based operating system or maybe I will try Manjaro or some other intermediate level Linux operating system. Also you have PopOS, ElementaryOS, ZorinOS, etc. Many different distributions but I stick to Linux Mint because it is super stable and just works (all I have to do on a fresh installation is install Chromium, Microsoft Fonts, Steam, GIMP and a few other things. This saves me a lot of time!). Also the updates are done on my terms which is once or twice a month. I don't want to have to fiddle around with my system too much to get it the way I want it. Ubuntu is nice if you're a Windows/MAC user. Linux Mint is nice if you're a Windows user. I came over from Windows 7, but I've used Windows 8 and 10.
Someone once told me that "Linux Mint Must Die"... (LOL) Ubuntu, Mint and others get hate because they labeled as a "Noob" distributions. But they are not really for just new users as many very advanced or elite users also use these distributions. And it doesn't matter if you dislike or don't use a distribution, just give respect anyway.
I'm sorry, DT I usually love all your video content and informed opinions, however I completely disagree when you said you believe having amazon keylogging services on ubuntu isn't spyware.
Was it keylogger or requesting search through amazon?
Especially since Amazon is now supplying its cloud service to the DOD.
i got people to switch from windows to mint i use manjaro no hate lol
I started on Ubuntu and moved away from it when they moved away from gnome 2.
I still use Ubuntu based distributions, because of how stable and still easy it is.
Got to say though: the Unity UI is absolute king if you want to get your grandpa or someone away from having their machine constantly break down to malware.
Yes, Ubuntu is a fantastic tool. Those that advocate the spyware actions by Canonical should prove their arguments.
In fact, it is an very ready and complete tool.
I use Ubuntu for trading and even using Wine is almost perfect.
Banking security tools are ready to .deb .rpm and is a headache to install Warsaw solution, for example, in any other distro.
To be baked by a company is not a problem in a free world. Canonical has done more to FOSS than many of its critics.
It is not perfect, but what is?
Very well educated and ellaborate arguments here, thanks Derek for making this very informative video!
I started with SuSe 18 years ago and hopped onto the Ubuntu train with 10.04 and really liked it until it became a drag game performance wise (16.04 or 16.10 was my last Ubuntu). So I moved to Manjaro, for which I needed to learn some new tricks. So yeah Ubuntu was a big part in my Linux learning experience, and it was a good one.
Ok. Let's get this straight. I'm a Linux user for a long time. It doesn't matter what Linux based Distro you use it's the same. The only difference is package management and how optimized the DE/WM is. I run multiple systems with Ubuntu 18.04, Gentoo and Fedora 28 and I gotta say it's flawless. I use Fedora server for my up and running CS:GO and CS 1.6 server, I use gentoo on my main pc where I do all the gaming and spend my time in designing or developing and I use Ubuntu on my notebook where I just surf the Internet, do some coding and learning, etc. My point is every distro works. None of the distro is bad. Except for Arch I don't know what is the purpose of Arch. Thankyou for reading.
Ubuntu is fine. I don't personally use it because I like a distro that doesn't change my settings much but for people who just want to use their computer without many configs its great.
Hahaaha I start with Slackware 9 , then migrate to Debian I end up on mint linux :)
I hate no distro. I just use those siuts me.
Don't care to use debian centos or *buntu or even arch if i need total flexibility and bleeding edge.
Only OS proactively wont use is windows
I started out on Ubuntu a few years ago, still running the installation (upgraded to newer versions obviously). But I love not getting any BSOD's any more. Only changed my desktop environment to KDE Plasma. Oh yes, and running the Xanmod kernel. :D
Nothing wrong with Ubuntu.
Except snaps.
I agree with what you said, and I really like your theme of "If it works use it". I have that attitude as well and use what, for me WORKS. I didn't start on Ubuntu, but I have used it. I can't say I 'hate' ubuntu, but I don't like gnome. For me I use a distro called Q4OS. This uses Debian and the Trinity desktop. It works, it is very easy to use and set things up. I don't think there should be hate towards distros just because they do things different, but in life there is so much hate towards others who are different, and that is just so wrong too. Let people use what is good for them and stop the hating!
I love Ubuntu and its other Ubuntu family counterparts such as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, former Mythbuntu, Ubuntu MATE, all of them! :)
False. I jumped from 20+ years in Windows right into Fedora. And this was my gratest descision! I do not want even to see any Shmubuntu's, Shmarchus existing. :) :)
Cause the players gonna play, play, play, play, play
And the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
I started with RedHat 5 in the 90s, by the time Ubuntu came out, I was already using Gentoo. I never understood why people used Ubuntu over Debian. Debian's fine.
I love Debian, but if you are just starting using Linux Debian is not a great experience.
@Pigeon's Poop You shouldn't. It's a niche distro for people who want to, basically, design their own distro. The only window managers I have installed are i3-gaps and DWM. The only terminal emulators I have installed are urxvt & st. It's for control freaks with OCD ;)
Debian is a lot let user friendly then Ubuntu. When I started with Linux in 2005-2006 Suse and Redhat where the user friendly distros. Debian wasn't really recommended even then.
Manjaro for life, long live KDE !
I'm testing out Wayfire right now, but I like K as much as the next person. Shame about the Qt Company tho.
Linux community: "Windows sucks, one day Linux will replace it".
Also Linux community: *shits on each other distros*
@thegeorgezila ok boomer
@thegeorgezila no wonder you type like someone that will have dyslexia if seeing a single long paragraph. Old age makes bad eyes huh? Old people are often ignorant of reality gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share. Or are you the type that still claims Android is still Linux when it's dominantly controlled by Google? Oh wait, Linux community doooo love claiming others success as their own. "Company this and that use Linux, Linux user community increases by 0.01%, hey same work is faster on Linux than Windows, yeah it's community good job. Windows? Fuck them, yeah even the users too". Elitist like you is the one that never grows up.
On point with everything on this one. The stupid complaints people come up with are just moronic and childish.
In my opinion Ubuntu is harder to set up than Arch. Here is a little example: In order to set up full disk encryption for your Ubuntu system on a modern EFI machine (without using the automatic installer option, which reformats the whole drive and only knows one predefined partition scheme) you HAVE TO have an EFI system partition (no surprises there), a separate boot partition (which will contain GRUB) and you need to set up a LVM volume group inside the LUKS container even if you don't plan on using multiple partitions in the LUKS container. The reason Ubuntu needs a separate boot partition containing GRUB is really dumb: This is, because the Ubiquity installer automatically installs the ESP files to /boot/efi (cannot be changed in the UI) and it installs GRUB to whatever partition is chosen to be mounted at /boot (so you can't choose the ESP as target for the GRUB files). And the reason Ubuntu needs a LVM volume group inside the LUKS container is still unknown to me. Now comes the real kicker. Even if you partition and format everything correctly, the Ubiquity Installer will crash anyway. It finishes installing a full Ubuntu system, but crashes while installing GRUB, so you have to mount everything (including virtual file systems like /dev, /dev/pts, /proc, /sys), chroot into the system and install GRUB manually.
How does setting up full disk encryption look like on Arch? You need an EFI system partition, optionally you can create a separate boot partition for GRUB, but you don't need to. Furthermore, you will need a partition for the LUKS container. If you plan on having more than one encrypted partition, you can set up LVM on LUKS (or LUKS on LVM), otherwise you don't need to set up LVM. Mount everything, pacstrap, mkinitcpio (with HOOKS adjusted according to whether you use LUKS, LVM on LUKS or LUKS on LVM), grub-install to your desired location (e.g. separate boot partition or EFI system partition), grub-mkconfig, done. No errors, no complications, no bugs, more options.
People just feel they need to hate something to make themselves look better. They target anything they can. Ubuntu is a piece of low-hanging fruit for that purpose because "everyone hates Ubuntu". I've been using Linux for about 15 years (Started on Mandrake), and I use Kubuntu for my distro of choice these days just because of hardware compatibility. I've had people tear into me for it.
In-fighting in FOSS has been the norm since I can remember. Even back when I was an active participant in the Ubuntu community (way back in the early days), you saw the same crap from people tearing down RedHat and SUSE, among others. Thankfully, the mods almost always stepped in to stop it, but it's something that seems to be inherent in the tech community as a whole. Heck, if you get the chance, watch "BBS: The Documentary" by Jason Scott (it's on TH-cam and Internet Archive). You'll find the same sort of tribalism happened during the Commodore/TRS/Apple/Amiga/Atari days as well, with people saying they shouldn't run the BBS on the "wrong hardware".
It's...quite sad to see. Friendly competition poisoned by bad apples. All it really is.
i love ubuntu and their project, i've tried and used daily bases Fedora (and love their vanilla gnome shell), Debian (and testing branch), OpenSUSE and Arch, and their forks, flavors and distros based on those. And a bunch of others that i've tested but not engage.
agreed, it's not reasonable channel hat over such a project, we need more love and enthusiasm in our communities and projects.
Not every one has the time or patience to install arch and build up the whole OS
So you don't have 20 minutes?
Did anyone notice how much snappier the ui got from 18.04 to 19.10 in Ubuntu?
Ask me I am new to Linux world I installed Ubuntu and Pop os which both had obvious shortcoming in performance and functionality bloated, now I almost quit then triad debian and was really amazed how polish and in another level stability wise it never broke and all packages work and compile fine, unlike Ubuntu. If you going to game go for Ubuntu but for serious software pro use just use debian much more better 10 times stable, I am developer only used both for 3 months now
"Because it lets everybody to use linux in their PC for general purpose, and make linux a non geeky platform. The elite linux guys hate poor non geeks using linux." some fb user
Lol they are not that geek's 🤣 because a geek would ot bother with such discusions drywall exist in every forest
I also started Linux desktop journey with Ubuntu in 2005, had not touched any mainstream not rolling distros since ~2012, imagine it is ok for a Dev to develop on it as it's same base as your deploy env. It's ok for a newcomer for doing basic stuff and getting grip of Linux, for me it was always this: recompiling half of an os coz some stuff that I wanted required recent libs etc. etc. Imagine it's different coz of snap, appimage etc. , (using containers is still waste of space both memory and storage), adding 100+ repos is also fun ;) so obviously I hopped luckily to manjaro wich I run on my main desktop to this day (same install about 8 years old) and I am very happy with it, recent enough and update cycle is excellent, each to their own.
Conclusion: Linux whatever it's form is fantastic but some distros do their things better then the others for example keeping pace with active projects (shiny new things, big fps in games etc) or being predictable in theirs release cycle for devs and users that do not fancy diving deep into innards of the beast, thank You.
P.s. English is not my native)
I personally first used ubuntu in 2009 on a hp laptop, almost nothing worked, so frustrating. in 2019 I used Arch then switched to void. I really don't trust desktop environments so for some time I just used a WM. Then came emacs. Oh boy, lifestyle changer. No external WM needed just EXWM.
See Derrick, your right, especially with the elitism stuff. I've been a Linux user since the early days of Red Hat and Suse. Back when you had to have a certain type of hardware to get things like graphics and modems, heck chipsets to work properly. It was a much bigger task to install and use the linux kernel, let alone x.org and a shell. Given all that knowledge, I am still learning. I watch your channel and I'll learn something new or add to what I already know.. the best part, a quality to highlight, you might be a fairly technical guy, but at least your sharing that knowledge with others. Many in the linux world won't and if they do it's not a fun experience. I never wanted to be like that, I promoted Ubuntu all the way up to 10.10. When they abandoned Gnome 2.x and came up with Unity, that was the start of my fallout. Don't get me wrong, I didn't mind Unity. But most new users might find it confusing, let alone the overhead in terms of memory and cpu power kept me from promoting it. Thankfully we've got Mint. But I like how easy these two distros are to setup and use. I think of them as an on ramp to better things. It's true personally I would rather run Debian because I love the long term support, but that's not for new users. Typically they're looking for an easy way. Today I have few reservations with recommending Linux to a frustrated Windows user, but when I do I use a lot of care. We don't want to invite people to be frustrated with us. The problem with Ubuntu still in my opinion is work flow. It doesn't carry an easy, logical interface. It's Gnome 3 and even with the Ubuntu dressing it's still not for everyone. It takes some serious adjustment coming from the Windows world. Again, thank god for Mint.
I like Ubuntu i have no problems with Ubuntu. But one reason why i don't like Ubuntu is LTS and its older packeges in LTS. I wish it updated its packeges a little bit. becuase i really like deepin-music player and no 18.04 LTS can build or complie it. One reason why i think they need to make LTS better
Running Ubuntu 20.04 as my daily, simple,fast, looks good whats not to like maybe some people just like the sound of slack, arch or Gentoo, knock yourself out ill be enjoying Ubuntu.