Ditto. Even Roman Sharf advises buying a luxury watch with the boxes and papers. The only exception is vintage watches which may not have the papers if the owner did not keep them.
people think keeping the box, papers, stickers, tags, receipt and bag is enough but you should also capture the air from the AD inside a jar. Thats how you get a real premium.
The real truth? When buying from a dealer, they say it's not that important to not have papers. But that same dealer will hammer you on price if you bring them a watch without papers.
Papers are really important for special dials. For example the oyster perpetual range. The seller could buy a basic black one, change the dial to a custom Tiffany blue and sell it as a Tiffany blue... Papers really help avoiding these scams. Same for a gold Daytona green dial. The seller could have bought a basic gold Daytona with a white dial, then change it for a green one and sell it as an original green dial Daytona.
I sold my Patek 5170R without papers and man, that was not easy! Some grey dealers really try to screw you over by saying “it’s a beautiful watch but very hard to sell this type without papers as collectors are very picky”. Have spoken to a few in the Beverly Hills / LA area and they’re nasty AF! Eventually managed to sell it for an ok price but still thousands less due to no papers. I learned my lesson, for me no modern watch without box & papers. Unless it’s truly a vintage model you are after, then it should be fine without the papers/box. But for modern models, just don’t do it and if you do because the deal is super attractive, then just be prepared to not sell it in the next 20 yrs if you don’t want to lose money 😂
On average papers, or lack there of, reduce the price by 10-20%. You most definitely should have them on dial premium watches, especially that little white tag which tells you which dial was born with the watch.
Out of the box this was a great overview! Here in Singapore if boxes are left in a closet without any circulating air they deteriorate very quickly. Like you say unless it's something very special the box etc. is not really a deal breaker.
Another excellent video with great perspective. I have both full sets and “naked” and feel the same as you. The box and papers while important to a degree, don’t determine whether I’m going to buy or not. Just my opinion.
Agree It's subjective, deep knowledge to assess the watch authenticity, its conditions and buying from a dealer with reputation and reviews are more important than papers which might be not even authentic. It's surprising and a bit suspicious how suddenly majority of vintage models are posted with box and papers.
My main concern if it was a newer and more expensive watch -Is the watch stolen? We know for a fact that watch theft is super high at the moment. Someone is buying all these stolen watches... 🤷♂️ I think it's just a matter of price. How much cheaper can I get the watch without the papers? Is the extra cost worth it to get the papers?
I have a 2004 two tone Sub with box and papers and one time I had someone tell me that its open card. Does that add any more value to it ? O and its unpolished
A funny one, I bought a Rolex at a Canadian AD, the booklet in the box is in Spanish!! Box and papers are important to me even in a language I don't speak.
Question: If you are on a waiting list for watch.. do you get a better price from the regular store, or you get treaded the same? I heard when you wait on them, you should get it lower than a store at the mall??
If there are no boxes and papers (particularly papers), how can we know the watch wasn't stolen? Papers are very important... imagine buying a car without papers ? J.
Very important! Why? Because there are very many STOLEN watches, and although it’s possible to find a stolen watch where the box and papers were also stolen (or were faked), that is still relatively rare. Any person who buys a modern ‘naked’ watch without getting a solid understanding why it doesn’t have boxes/papers, is being silly. Especially for modern Rolex and such watches. For vintage watches - more likely that the papers and box may have been lost etc. But a modern Rolex or Audemars Piguet …not impossible, until you realize the BIG number of naked watches circulating. No way many of those are not stolen, especially when you Google ‘Rolex theft’ and realize the number of watches stolen in places like London every year. But a modern Rolex with no box and papers, and just know there is a big chance that once you take the watch for service years in the future, it will be confiscated as a stolen watch!!!! Buyer beware.
How do people not have box and papers for a watch that they’ve owned for a couple years. If the watch has been handed down 20-30 years ago maybe. Even my cheap watches I keep the box.
Not to be that guy, but house music in background of long form content aimed for higher brow watch people fucks with the vibe. Dont knock editer dude too bad im sure it was a joint choice. Normally just adjusting levels audio wise would be good enough but in this case
Would you buy an investment grade wine (DRC etc..) without a history of where it has been and storing conditions. A luxury watch is just the same. Your green dial Daytona I wouldn't touch it not being complete without the white tag. Without it you might get a great deal on the john mayor because the dial was exchanged.
Buy the seller - But any newer watch should have box and papers; would not so much expect that its fake, but more whether is stolen e.g a 2024 Sub should not be naked Post warranty - then i would be more inclined to accept an incomplete set
your analogy with the john mayer daytona wasn't really relevant......i think B&P on watches that are 10 years old or newer are a must. I agree that older watches B&P weren't a thing, but within the last 10 years or so people understand the importance of B&P
I’d be especially cautious with JM Daytona without paper and even the white hang tag because they could swap out the dial with a gen dial of another color. Him or his dealers definitely trying to off load naked watches.
I’d never buy a watch without box and papers, the host is only thinking in the short term 30-40 years from now you don’t know what will be worth what that polar may be a sought after item who knows, always go full set.
I can imagine oldies not having them. I can imagine a certain demographic being careless with these luxury items and losing papers. But I suspect a lot af modern rolexes don’t have them because they are used for money muling across borders and laundering.
A used watch without box and papers is prolly Hot. The lack of papers and especially receipt would make me wonder. I won’t buy stolen merchandise ever.
@@WatchEric yes that’s possible, if taken from a residence. But most watch robberies are armed or strong arm on the street. There won’t be box and papers of course.
You were just talking about the regular luxury watches with what comes with those watches. I wonder what you think about Jacob & Co watches, which are often works of art in my opinion. Then I think that Rickard Mills watches are really ugly and not even worth their price. That brand became popular only because celebrities have bought these watches, without celebrities they wouldn't be selling watches at all in the price range they are in but only in the $100 range.
Try selling a watch to a dealer without box & papers to see if they are a big deal.
Exactly
They still think we are their 🍭suckers
When selling to a dealer, they are a really big deal. When buying from a dealer, it’s no big deal
@@scottc6946this exactly.
@@scottc6946Facts
I want all box and papers, it's a no deal if those items are absent regardless of the price.
Ditto. Even Roman Sharf advises buying a luxury watch with the boxes and papers. The only exception is vintage watches which may not have the papers if the owner did not keep them.
people think keeping the box, papers, stickers, tags, receipt and bag is enough but you should also capture the air from the AD inside a jar. Thats how you get a real premium.
😂😂😂😂
The real truth? When buying from a dealer, they say it's not that important to not have papers. But that same dealer will hammer you on price if you bring them a watch without papers.
Exactly. Nothing more to it.
The techno music really had me hyped up to go throw my papers in the air.
😂😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉
You can always send the watch to Rolex and get it serviced. Cost will be less than $1500 and this gets you an updated warranty card.
Keep being you, Eric! Greatly appreciate what you bring to the watch world.
Thanks, will do!
Dealer will say it’s important when you are selling and you don’t have it so they lowball you. It’s not important when they try to sell.
Papers are really important for special dials. For example the oyster perpetual range. The seller could buy a basic black one, change the dial to a custom Tiffany blue and sell it as a Tiffany blue... Papers really help avoiding these scams. Same for a gold Daytona green dial. The seller could have bought a basic gold Daytona with a white dial, then change it for a green one and sell it as an original green dial Daytona.
au top Eric , comme d'habitude 👍
Great video very informative never really thought about the intricacy of papers in the box and the warranty card
I sold my Patek 5170R without papers and man, that was not easy! Some grey dealers really try to screw you over by saying “it’s a beautiful watch but very hard to sell this type without papers as collectors are very picky”. Have spoken to a few in the Beverly Hills / LA area and they’re nasty AF! Eventually managed to sell it for an ok price but still thousands less due to no papers. I learned my lesson, for me no modern watch without box & papers. Unless it’s truly a vintage model you are after, then it should be fine without the papers/box. But for modern models, just don’t do it and if you do because the deal is super attractive, then just be prepared to not sell it in the next 20 yrs if you don’t want to lose money 😂
On average papers, or lack there of, reduce the price by 10-20%. You most definitely should have them on dial premium watches, especially that little white tag which tells you which dial was born with the watch.
People will cry over box and papers and when they go sell that watch, they can’t find their box and papers 😂
100% accurate
I have been on the list for more than two years waiting for a Rolex Daytona. I’m getting tired & gonna settle for a box of toilet paper & a Timex
Out of the box this was a great overview! Here in Singapore if boxes are left in a closet without any circulating air they deteriorate very quickly. Like you say unless it's something very special the box etc. is not really a deal breaker.
Jimmy 2 times....."Get the papers - get the papers". Hehehe
Hehehe good one!
Another excellent video with great perspective. I have both full sets and “naked” and feel the same as you. The box and papers while important to a degree, don’t determine whether I’m going to buy or not. Just my opinion.
You are the number one YT watch person in the world! Always a pleasure to watch your videos Eric. 🙏🏻 Mashalla
Box and papers are just like the 2 keys, owner's manual and service records when selling a car. And I'm not talking about selling a Nissan Sentra.
Watch Eric like always at its best !!! Eric ur one of one in the watch industry who is Always bringing the best content !!' Ur a complete set 😊
If it was one that I was never going to sell, I don’t think I’d be too bothered.
Unless it was a Patek or AP.
Thank you so much nkuwan for taking us shopping🛍…my wish list just got longer
Always great topics. Great vid.
I would only buy an expensive watch from an ‘authorised’ re seller that supply some sort of documentation/warranty.
Agree It's subjective, deep knowledge to assess the watch authenticity, its conditions and buying from a dealer with reputation and reviews are more important than papers which might be not even authentic. It's surprising and a bit suspicious how suddenly majority of vintage models are posted with box and papers.
My main concern if it was a newer and more expensive watch -Is the watch stolen? We know for a fact that watch theft is super high at the moment. Someone is buying all these stolen watches... 🤷♂️ I think it's just a matter of price. How much cheaper can I get the watch without the papers? Is the extra cost worth it to get the papers?
Warranty card obviously affects the price if within the guarantee period. It’s much more valuable, as shit happens. Come on Eric :)
I have a 2004 two tone Sub with box and papers and one time I had someone tell me that its open card. Does that add any more value to it ? O and its unpolished
If buying from grey market would the card be a good sub for the papers?
Fake papers are easier to spot than clones without papers. For me if it doesn’t have box and papers I don’t want it.
B&P depends on if you’re buying to keep & use or with a resale in mind down the road. (Investment).
A funny one, I bought a Rolex at a Canadian AD, the booklet in the box is in Spanish!! Box and papers are important to me even in a language I don't speak.
I think watches are such an emotional process that people want the complete set. Overall a collector wants the full set
Eric when you get the new day date 40 isenkiesel and black onyx will you do a video for us thanks bro
Try getting a 1970 omega gold speedmaster crater box….auch or the cork pp
Question: If you are on a waiting list for watch.. do you get a better price from the regular store, or you get treaded the same? I heard when you wait on them, you should get it lower than a store at the mall??
Great video Eric. New, box and papers. Vintage, not as important.
Are they new sunglasses ??? They look slightly different from the usual RSF
White hangtag importance ? How much should you pay for it?
How do you Check if the watches you flip are not Stolen ?
If there are no boxes and papers (particularly papers), how can we know the watch wasn't stolen?
Papers are very important... imagine buying a car without papers ?
J.
Brother. Watches are stolen with the boxes and papers out of peoples houses. Papers never tell you that a watch is real or not stolen.
I met eric on tda streets. he purchased mes a sadwitch and a cold soda and da chips
Then i s stole his watch
I bought eric his best watch. The TIMEX HARBORSIDE baby. His best watch
Very important! Why? Because there are very many STOLEN watches, and although it’s possible to find a stolen watch where the box and papers were also stolen (or were faked), that is still relatively rare.
Any person who buys a modern ‘naked’ watch without getting a solid understanding why it doesn’t have boxes/papers, is being silly.
Especially for modern Rolex and such watches.
For vintage watches - more likely that the papers and box may have been lost etc.
But a modern Rolex or Audemars Piguet …not impossible, until you realize the BIG number of naked watches circulating.
No way many of those are not stolen, especially when you Google ‘Rolex theft’ and realize the number of watches stolen in places like London every year.
But a modern Rolex with no box and papers, and just know there is a big chance that once you take the watch for service years in the future, it will be confiscated as a stolen watch!!!!
Buyer beware.
15:47 😂💀
was dj Tiësto around ? party time baby 🥳
Too many scammers, cheaters, frankens. I want as much as possible
I’m going to admit when buy I really like the box and papers. But after buying I never use the box again and lose track of where the hell it is.
How do people not have box and papers for a watch that they’ve owned for a couple years. If the watch has been handed down 20-30 years ago maybe. Even my cheap watches I keep the box.
Not to be that guy, but house music in background of long form content aimed for higher brow watch people fucks with the vibe. Dont knock editer dude too bad im sure it was a joint choice. Normally just adjusting levels audio wise would be good enough but in this case
The watch market is dead, don’t let this tomato cans tell you any different.
😂😂😂
Shat RM box for a Shat RM watch, it fits, it's telling.
Would you buy an investment grade wine (DRC etc..) without a history of where it has been and storing conditions. A luxury watch is just the same. Your green dial Daytona I wouldn't touch it not being complete without the white tag. Without it you might get a great deal on the john mayor because the dial was exchanged.
If NOBODY bought watches without papers, we wouldn't have watch robberies.
Your stooping to a new low now trying to direct the market your a small time content creator dont forget that
Will never buy without box/paper any watch over 10k. Under, maybe, if its a tag or a breitling
I rather get a better deal without box or papers as long as it's a trusted seller.
Box and papers always adds value to the watch
Can’t you get new “papers” (certificate of authenticity) from those companies. Yes it will cost you but while it’s having a service just add it.
You want the watch to be minty box papers swing tags basically everything 😊
Why dive in the deep end, when the surface exhibits all!
What’s with the music?
Buy the seller - But any newer watch should have box and papers; would not so much expect that its fake, but more whether is stolen e.g a 2024 Sub should not be naked
Post warranty - then i would be more inclined to accept an incomplete set
your analogy with the john mayer daytona wasn't really relevant......i think B&P on watches that are 10 years old or newer are a must. I agree that older watches B&P weren't a thing, but within the last 10 years or so people understand the importance of B&P
I’d be especially cautious with JM Daytona without paper and even the white hang tag because they could swap out the dial with a gen dial of another color. Him or his dealers definitely trying to off load naked watches.
Good content but weird music
I’d never buy a watch without box and papers, the host is only thinking in the short term 30-40 years from now you don’t know what will be worth what that polar may be a sought after item who knows, always go full set.
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I can imagine oldies not having them. I can imagine a certain demographic being careless with these luxury items and losing papers. But I suspect a lot af modern rolexes don’t have them because they are used for money muling across borders and laundering.
箱と保証書よりかは余りコマの方が重要かなと
出来れば正規でのオーバーホール歴があれば嬉しい
Why hold the mic? 🤔🤔🤔
To cut down wind noise. Clipping it to his t-shirt wouldn’t work. He could use a headset like the singer from Winger LOL
Baloney, I will NOT buy any watch without the box and papers!!
I’m not gonna lie I’m clicking off bc the rave music in the background lmao but hey at least when this dude is outside his sunglasses make sense lol
LOL
A used watch without box and papers is prolly Hot. The lack of papers and especially receipt would make me wonder. I won’t buy stolen merchandise ever.
Watches get stolen with the papers all the time.
@@WatchEric yes that’s possible, if taken from a residence. But most watch robberies are armed or strong arm on the street. There won’t be box and papers of course.
How many ways can you say the same thing over and over?
IKR
Dam did you just speed bump AP.....was that what five seconds maybe six.....you could have said AP, flip a coin.....now RM......lol
I’d never buy a new luxury item, of any sort, and not keep its box and papers.
Call me crazy, but I don’t give a shit about box and papers.
You were just talking about the regular luxury watches with what comes with those watches. I wonder what you think about Jacob & Co watches, which are often works of art in my opinion.
Then I think that Rickard Mills watches are really ugly and not even worth their price.
That brand became popular only because celebrities have bought these watches, without celebrities they wouldn't be selling watches at all in the price range they are in but only in the $100 range.
No, they are NOT debatable haha.. NO BOX and PAPERS? INCOMPLETE, POOR/LESS VALUE !!!, i wont collect a watch without these
No box no papers, equals half of the asking price.
Alright turtle. Where’s Vince?
Confusing video what the hell is he for or against box and paper 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
He’s for whatever fattens his wallet the most, like all dealers.
Ooohhh wait it’s rlx, pp, AP en RM again?… 😢😂
People who buy real vintage dont care. A Rolex from post 2014 id want them. But most of the time i dont care.
Box and papers, don't mind, annoying background music, definitely better without!
Music sucks
The watch market is ded
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