NOTE: Although the pilot's choice to land on dirt rather than pavement worked in his favor, statistics show the odds for a safe landing were against him.
Is the implication here that, given the choice, one should usually choose the paved runway rather than the grass alongside it? I agree we should go with what the statistics show, and I can think of reasons why a paved runway is safer (gentler deceleration, which is preferable if you have the distance, plus less chance of digging in and flipping, groundlooping or having the fuselage fail), but the linked handbook presents some pros and cons of the choice without (unless I missed it), making that specific recommendation. Beyond that specific case, we have had several cases recently in the US where the pilot has attempted to land on a road, sometimes with fatal consequences. We don't want pilots thinking that pavement is always the best choice and thus dismissing viable alternatives.
@@ajayray4408 Yup, pretty much. We actually did a video on this very topic awhile back. Check it out! www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/online-learning/safety-videos/avoiding-gear-up-landings-and-gear-collapses
Awesome landing! You can tell that he flew it all the way until he popped the canopy. Well planned and well done--textbook!! Thanks, ASI. These videos are well appreciated.
Well done Mike, text book landing , idle power and mixture cut-off perfect, so many gear up landings don't do this from my observations, certainly helps save that engine. Glad you and passenger are safe.
Excellent landing and good decision to put her down on the grass strip.Actually,your landing gear up is much better than my A330 landings with all the wheels down.Great job!
Nicely done. Better odds landing on pavement, what's in the dirt? Big rocks, cutoff poles, utility boxes. I'll assume even some deep tire ruts could flip a small aircraft but so much less damage on dirt.
This turned out good, but from what I understand the best practice is to land on the runway to avoid "digging in" and flipping. Clearly it didn't happen here, but for others considering a gear up landing, most experts seem to recommend the runway. YMMV!
Why would the plane flip? Usually the grass at the sides of the runway are clipped and the surface is smooth. I'd take my chances on the grass. On the runway you'll probably skid farther not to mention damage your plane more.
Skidding it down the runway is definitely better if they can foam it first.. You're probably not going to dig in with the landing gear up on planes like this one when landing on the grass at an airfield
Notice the mix of plastic and steel cable ties? They both have varying fatigue dynamics. Should the preflight have given indicators involving such a critical component? Should a proper annual have?
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I didn't understand the mechanical failure, is that something that could have been prevented? I understand that cables came loose from a bracket and snagged the landing gear but I don't know what those cables are for or why they would be in a position to get in the way of the landing gear
@@Milkmans_Son Yes, you might be right. It looks like if the gear had come down anyway, they would have cut the landing light power connections, but more dangerous was the hydraulic lines for the brakes. If the brakes on one side fail, it can quickly cause a little trip off the runway. In my aircraft, I don't use the brakes much, but this one might have needed heavy braking, which would have been a problem.
Adel clamps, a spring loaded creation of Satan that can send tiny washers and nuts lord knows where in the middle of the night in a sleet storm while working outside. 🤬 Good to see a safe outcome, a good preflight matters. Love the TB-30, it’s a beautiful airframe.
Interesting he decided to land on the grass instead of the smooth runway. Looks like a great idea. I am guessing he had time to ask ground personnel to inspect the area for any hidden dangers in the grass. I wish the PIC had of spoken of this decision.
He chose the turf to minimize damage to the aircraft. The determination between light aircraft landing on the runway or on a known smooth turf area is like debates between using a "Designated Hitter" in baseball. You'll never get full agreements.
@@jimmiller5600 Damage to the aircraft is irrelevant. The tarmac is the safer option by far. You don't know whats in the grass that you might hit. The P51 that landed on the grass at Duxford hit a post and severely damaged the wing and injured the pilot. Minor injury but still..
@@greggpedder which post could you possibly hit here, 10m alongside the runway? He also noticed, that while he was burning fuel for more than an hour, the palce was throughly inspected for him. Field - a regular agricaltural field - yes, would be not the best option. It's uneven, may have stones, etc. But the grass right next to the runway at such a big airport? - I would choose it over the asphalt. Reason - it's softer. Also the sparking is pretty much abscent at theese speeds.
@@greggpedder for instance, at my base, I’m pretty sure I know it’s clear. I was walking there a lot. I see the place exactly after they cut it and the grass is literally 5cm tall. So, I would say, it depends. But you’re right - I would have some seconds thoughts at the unfamiliar airport for sure.
NOTE: Although the pilot's choice to land on dirt rather than pavement worked in his favor, statistics show the odds for a safe landing were against him.
Is the implication here that, given the choice, one should usually choose the paved runway rather than the grass alongside it? I agree we should go with what the statistics show, and I can think of reasons why a paved runway is safer (gentler deceleration, which is preferable if you have the distance, plus less chance of digging in and flipping, groundlooping or having the fuselage fail), but the linked handbook presents some pros and cons of the choice without (unless I missed it), making that specific recommendation.
Beyond that specific case, we have had several cases recently in the US where the pilot has attempted to land on a road, sometimes with fatal consequences. We don't want pilots thinking that pavement is always the best choice and thus dismissing viable alternatives.
@@ajayray4408 Yup, pretty much. We actually did a video on this very topic awhile back. Check it out!
www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/online-learning/safety-videos/avoiding-gear-up-landings-and-gear-collapses
Please continue posting stories like this -- great learning opportunity for the rest of us... Awesome job!! 😁
Solid landing, Great prep and decision making.
Awesome landing! You can tell that he flew it all the way until he popped the canopy. Well planned and well done--textbook!! Thanks, ASI. These videos are well appreciated.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent presentation, and excellent piloting!
Excellent landing, though. Looked smoother than some I've experienced on airlines with everything functioning correctly lol
Well done Mike, text book landing , idle power and mixture cut-off perfect, so many gear up landings don't do this from my observations, certainly helps save that engine. Glad you and passenger are safe.
Perfectly executed. I bow to you, mr Pilot.
Excellent landing and good decision to put her down on the grass strip.Actually,your landing gear up is much better than my A330 landings with all the wheels down.Great job!
Nicely done. Better odds landing on pavement, what's in the dirt? Big rocks, cutoff poles, utility boxes. I'll assume even some deep tire ruts could flip a small aircraft but so much less damage on dirt.
Thanks for sharing this real world example.
Good job and a nice looking aeroplane!
This turned out good, but from what I understand the best practice is to land on the runway to avoid "digging in" and flipping. Clearly it didn't happen here, but for others considering a gear up landing, most experts seem to recommend the runway. YMMV!
Why would the plane flip? Usually the grass at the sides of the runway are clipped and the surface is smooth. I'd take my chances on the grass. On the runway you'll probably skid farther not to mention damage your plane more.
Darmick, Absolutely right. Always take the tarmac. Always.
@@adotintheshark4848 Don't worry about the damage to the aircraft it's irrelevant. Your job is to use that aircraft to survive. That's it.
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Skidding it down the runway is definitely better if they can foam it first..
You're probably not going to dig in with the landing gear up on planes like this one when landing on the grass at an airfield
Nicely done!
Notice the mix of plastic and steel cable ties? They both have varying fatigue dynamics. Should the preflight have given indicators involving such a critical component? Should a proper annual have?
Superb landing!
Any landing you get to walk away from is a good one :)
Makes me want to check for cable bundles next time I preflight the Seneca, doing my MEL rating
Excellent job.
Bet those cable clamps are on a checklist now… that maybe they were not previously.
Much respect sir, awesome landing
I would love 2 c full coverage of the recovery to the investigation to repairs and back to the air on so so many of these type events. This would allow even more ways to learn, love this wonderful art. The Art of Aviation.🙏
I love these videos that Aviation Channels put together for us. God Bless.
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Wow...a happy ending! For a change 😉
Nice job. 👍🏻
Did you G the aircraft? Unload and then G the aircraft? Cycle the gear while unloading and then G-ing up the aircraft? I have so many questions.
amazing ❤
I didn't understand the mechanical failure, is that something that could have been prevented? I understand that cables came loose from a bracket and snagged the landing gear but I don't know what those cables are for or why they would be in a position to get in the way of the landing gear
The two silver over are braided hydraulic lines for wheel brakes and the black one is electrics probably for wing lights I'm guessing.
I wonder if it would’ve opened if you were inverted.
IF - They would have known the problem - Maybe!
Wow, that was some belly butter 😂
Nice title.
By clamp does he mean zip ties?
So was the gear not going all the way down good luck or bad luck?
Depends on if he needed a new engine, and had good insurance! 🤣
@@dermick No, not that. I'm talking about the stuff that was caught up on the gear--if the gear went down it would have trashed it.
@@Milkmans_Son Yes, you might be right. It looks like if the gear had come down anyway, they would have cut the landing light power connections, but more dangerous was the hydraulic lines for the brakes. If the brakes on one side fail, it can quickly cause a little trip off the runway. In my aircraft, I don't use the brakes much, but this one might have needed heavy braking, which would have been a problem.
Afraid of gliding it with no power by pulling mixture on final. Fu up engine and prop too. Duhh !
Mr No-Fuss went up in the sky and Mr No-Fuss guy came back down.
Oddly enough the TB30 and TB20 are known to have simple and reliable landing gear system ! Even here !
The landing gear worked properly didn't it? The wires broke lose and kept the gear from extending, at least from my understanding.
Wow man what a solid safe landing! Great job!
I don't know if I've ever landed that smoothly on wheels on a runway
Oh man, this is the aviation equivalent of getting headphones out of a bag - if it can get tangled it will! Murphy's law at its most effective 😣
Adel clamps, a spring loaded creation of Satan that can send tiny washers and nuts lord knows where in the middle of the night in a sleet storm while working outside. 🤬
Good to see a safe outcome, a good preflight matters. Love the TB-30, it’s a beautiful airframe.
That landing was so smooth you might want to do that standard! 😁
Interesting he decided to land on the grass instead of the smooth runway. Looks like a great idea. I am guessing he had time to ask ground personnel to inspect the area for any hidden dangers in the grass. I wish the PIC had of spoken of this decision.
Landing gear up ain't such a big deal. Just can taxi back to the hangar.
How cheap parts become expensive.
arn,t happy endings great,
Butter.
This looks expensive
It cost zero lives. Surely that counts for something.
He completely missed the runway?? What happened there?
He chose the turf to minimize damage to the aircraft. The determination between light aircraft landing on the runway or on a known smooth turf area is like debates between using a "Designated Hitter" in baseball. You'll never get full agreements.
@@jimmiller5600 Damage to the aircraft is irrelevant. The tarmac is the safer option by far. You don't know whats in the grass that you might hit. The P51 that landed on the grass at Duxford hit a post and severely damaged the wing and injured the pilot. Minor injury but still..
@@greggpedder which post could you possibly hit here, 10m alongside the runway? He also noticed, that while he was burning fuel for more than an hour, the palce was throughly inspected for him.
Field - a regular agricaltural field - yes, would be not the best option. It's uneven, may have stones, etc. But the grass right next to the runway at such a big airport? - I would choose it over the asphalt. Reason - it's softer. Also the sparking is pretty much abscent at theese speeds.
@@dmytrogubskyi4355 you don't know do you, until you hit it. The tarmac is by far the safer option.
@@greggpedder for instance, at my base, I’m pretty sure I know it’s clear. I was walking there a lot. I see the place exactly after they cut it and the grass is literally 5cm tall. So, I would say, it depends. But you’re right - I would have some seconds thoughts at the unfamiliar airport for sure.
so, the mechanic that did not do the job correctly pays? who pays? how much is your insurance? somebody pays, might as well be the mechanic, eh?
A sad avoidable design fault!