All the people who go to the trouble of uploading these videos for people you've never met are just stand up guys. Im Irish and TH-cam is my first port of call for O&A these days. Much appreciated guys
Jimmy was being annoying but when doug dies from a failed liver like he inevitably will everyone's going to wish they said something. Neither of them are wrong.
I think Jimmy makes the more logical point about sobriety, but I loved the civility in the argument and both guys are extremely intelligent about life.
I can't believe I actually had the same train of thought as Stanhope after realising I hadn't even thought about smoking whilst being on a jet ski. I think he's genuinely on to something.
Jimmy drank for less than two years in his late teens and never drank daily or to dysfunction. Tragic little drama queen who needed to be interesting. Tragic.
@@captainredbeard7933 Probably because they won't play ball/whore themselves out or ever compromise at all. Like Patrice. I love the Patrice quote one of the other comics said on his tribute show when he said that Patrice said I shouldn't know you because I should be a bigger star lol.
Jim had it in his mind he was right before this argument started and whenever he does that he won't let it go until he feels he has won. Doug had actual thought and passion behind his argument. There is something really fake about Jim Norton that annoys me.
Maybe the fact his battle with sobriety is bullshit, he lived at home till he was 30 and when arguing with a listener will say things like "baby boy" as an insult. Also, let's face it, his stand up is absolutely horrible!
Stanhope is my favorite comedian, jimmy is top 10, I find I'm always on the same wavelength with stanhope, and this for sure, I love jimmy but his addict shit is so phony. I'm an addict, na/aa are good for some ppl but bad for others, some people aren't even addicts and get brainwashed by aa, like jimmy. I'm clean for 2+ years without na. Totally agree with everything doug says, as usual.
+tonedog77 he just thinks all the Greatest comedians were "damaged" therefore he has to fool himself into thinking he's "experienced" with drug culture and has had a dark past. Cringe
I think Jim is absurdly funny on O and A but he is a self righteous pontificating douche sometimes. the worst pontifications are when it comes to substance abuse
I know I'm years late on this comment, but thank you. I like jim, but his "sobriety" has always annoyed me. Like another commenter said, he's just trying to fit into the club. Being an asshole when you're drunk at 14-18 doesn't mean you're an alcoholic. Yeah, maybe he was a piece of shit (and I mean that lovingly) back then, but that's just who he was. An asshole (again, mean that lovingly). But unfortunately he thinks he's the brain child behind getting sober... even patrice called him out on that before
Stanhope is light-years funnier than Norton. and GOD is mentioned in step 3. (TWICE) Maybe Norton would recall this if he 1. didnt have selective memory. and 2nd was an actual alcoholic.
Exactly stfu Jimmy. I have someone vastly more interesting and funny than you are, why don't you just shut up and let him talk? Instead of constantly interrupting. I'm totally with you on that bro
Well, Hicks was sober for his entire life aside from a couple of years, so he doesn't exactly fit that mold. Stanhope has arguably lived more throttle than anyone, and he's still around. The difference is, Stanhope didn't fuck with heroin. If Hedberg did the same, he'd probably still be here.
"If drugs made you a good writer, then why isn't every drug addict a novelist?" WTF?... No one in the history of man has ever said "drugs made me a great writer." or that "drugs made me a great comedian". They simply give it credit for enhancing the creativity that was ALREADY THERE. You've completely misunderstood the point Doug makes when says that. No, not every drunken lush can be a comedian. However, for already talented people, it can enhance their performing abilities.
I wish doug just told jim that he was actually friends with mitch and jimmy doesnt know what the fuck he was saying in regards to him. also I wonder how jim would have reacted if someone did the devils advocate joking shit talker act that he does whenever someone tries to be serious, I bet he wouldnt have taken it too well. lasty anthony should have just stopped talking
Drunk driving, I'd say, is probably more like firing a gun randomly than having one on you. Great podcast though. I've only just started listening to more Doug Stanhope
Ok- norton is right- yes- back in the day it was VERY god driven, and YES- some people use the meeting as a way to push god, that happens. BUT- they do say it doesn't have to be god, it can be an aunt or uncle- ANYTHING you believe that is more powerful and better than you, it could be twinkies- your hero anything. I love Stanhope and he has a very valid argument/ but norton is spot on- it's changed throughout the years- when Stanhope was in it, it was very god driven and that's all he knows, AA was very preachy and sketchy, it's changed, if he went now and had this argument he would get the other point, however he's made a lot of money on his way of looking at it- so I don't see him admitting it's not pure religion driven- you just substitute god for what is best for you to prove your not in control- even if your the higher power, that's fine- they'll go with it as long as your trying to be sober/ that's all that matters.
Stanhope say's that too, if I HAVE to believe there's a higher power than me that I can't control, then yes there is, it's called alcohol so I'm right back where I started
Did jimmy really try to say alcohol makes you beat your wife? He said people don't beat their wives after eating gravy.... well they do! if someone gets drunk and beats a woman it's not the drinks fault but the person who done the beating, and would beat a woman while sober everyday if he could, the alcohol is a scapegoat, and reality is most domestic violence involves alcohol because the abuser is more likely to get caught when drunk and not thinking straight giving the woman a chance to call the police or a neighbour overhearing the incident due to the drunk man being too loud.
Bill was kind of like George Carlin, in the fact that they both started off as silly and funny, then they became dark, honest, and hilarious. I would say Doug is like Bill Hicks in the fact that he's honest, incredibly talented and hilarious, doesn't give a shit, and is dirt poor.
Bill Hicks didn't really live "full throttle" and if you compare his comedy to when he was drinking around 20+-, to when he was dabbling in psychadelics around 30, it's no comparison: He was much better when he was dabbling in mushrooms and focused on being honest. When he was "living full throttle", he was literally getting the shit beat out of him on stage, just like Jim Jefferies.
AA all comes down to the group of sober people spending time together the camaraderie you could throw all the literature and readings out the window its litterally just a support group the literature and god talk is all just busy work
anti-establishment isn't such a narrow road to make stanhope and hicks similar. they are different in most ways, the end result of respective comedy styles being the most important - hicks is naive, hippieish and lives on the passion of his performance, stanhope is more down to earth and doesn't believe in people all that much and doesn't partake in a crusade in the manner of hicks.
+Benjamin Desroches It's hard to have a large body of work when you die at 32. And as many comics say, they don't hit their stride until they in they're in their 30s and 40s. It's pretty remarkable that Bill Hicks accomplished as much as he did in comedy dying so young.
Yet he'll fuck prostitutes without a condom and engage in other filthy activities. He also can't keep a relationship going because he's a douche. Definitely listening to Doug.
Norton won't let Stanhope off the hook because Doug is trying to rationalize away his drinking issues. He knows he needs help and so does Norton. Can't believe the drunks on here all trying defend Stanhope (whom I also love as a comic.)
Jim's argument on AA is bullshit. The same argument could apply to any quack medicine. His whole counterpoint on the mandatory religion in 12 step programs is purely semantics based. Just because several of the steps are directly based on theistic principals, doesn't mean you have to embrace religion, I think he's questioning his entire life and core philosophy while getting super defensive, desperately trying to justify his ideas. Stanhope is like the Kaiser Reich, Jim is like Belgium, he fought real hard at first, but Stanhope can do this shit all day. Also I disagree about Hedberg, he had to take chances with his brain and chemicals to get that deep, don't impose your fucked up desire to live forever on other people.
I’d rather live like an addict than constantly in fear of being one like Jimmy. So weird how people can’t enjoy things they like without completely killing themselves with it. It’s like they get tunnel vision and forget that’s important to diversify what you enjoy spending time doing.
All the people who go to the trouble of uploading these videos for people you've never met are just stand up guys. Im Irish and TH-cam is my first port of call for O&A these days. Much appreciated guys
"People are better alive than dead"
Wow, so smart Jimmy
He's the millential philisopher of this generation. Master of the obvious God help us. Such a moron
Jim at an AA meeting "Hi my name is Jim and I will be appearing this weekend at the Bogota in Atlantic City"
you forgot the opening for Amy Schumer part.
Fuckin Jim crying about alcoholism before ever hitting the good years
Jimmy is the only teenage drunk that takes a lifetime to recover
😂❤
"We are all one bullet away from killing ourselves,That doesn't make us suicidal." Genius Doug Stanhope 👊
Best line
Doug is 100% correct.
keep drinking that... I mean thinking that.
Disagree
@@atlanticane It's all he's drinking about and thinking about.
Jimmy was being annoying but when doug dies from a failed liver like he inevitably will everyone's going to wish they said something.
Neither of them are wrong.
Personal choice vs health, up to the individual I suppose
I think Jimmy makes the more logical point about sobriety, but I loved the civility in the argument and both guys are extremely intelligent about life.
Both of them are making good points.
Yup. Depends on the person
This makes me want a drink. Oh wait, there's already one here.
I can't believe I actually had the same train of thought as Stanhope after realising I hadn't even thought about smoking whilst being on a jet ski.
I think he's genuinely on to something.
Thats why I took up chewing tobacco. I showed him.
Opie: i could use that i do an elevator show.
No Opie you record an annoying strangers in the elevator 😂
Being a Stern listener then just realizing how good these guys were is hours of endless entertainment
"a live mitch performing is better than a dead mitch." -powerful jimmy norton
i love douguie voice
Great segment
TEFFT PATTERN hi braun
I love Doug. Gonna be seeing him again in Edmonton Aug 28th!
Jimmy drank for less than two years in his late teens and never drank daily or to dysfunction. Tragic little drama queen who needed to be interesting. Tragic.
Doug even won out over Norton. Crazy to hear.
Throw away the crutches and man up is what I'm hearing from Stanhope and I like it.
I fuckin love Doug Stanhope. I know he's been on TV with The Man Show and an episode of Louie, but how is he not a bigger star? Fuckin hilarious.
The funniest ones never almost never make it.
@@captainredbeard7933 Probably because they won't play ball/whore themselves out or ever compromise at all. Like Patrice. I love the Patrice quote one of the other comics said on his tribute show when he said that Patrice said I shouldn't know you because I should be a bigger star lol.
Doug Stanhope makes me drink coffee at night so that I can drink more. Cheers!
Doug Stanhope is the greatest guest on O&A
Chris Barraza yeah? What about Bill Burr?
Chris Barraza or Jim Jeffries?
Yeah he's my third on o&a after Colin. Don't get me wrong, I've listen to the Monday morning podcast every week.
Good! I cant get enough of it.
+Chris Barraza Burr, Patrice, Doug and Jefferies for me
The only cool response OP has ever made....Anthony says, “it’s really a weird thing to call girls, chicks” “that’s the best one I think” -Op
'Youre putting on life that other people may not share' Nice one
I'd love to hear Doug on Jim's advice show.
I like Dog's later clothing style, he reminds me of an 80's movie Zombie.
A lot of people seem to shit on Jim for being sober, just knowing what a neurotic freak he is I think sobriety is probably best for him
I will admit he comes off as pretentious though
Jim really needs AA to be legitimate. I think that's the saddest part
Jim had it in his mind he was right before this argument started and whenever he does that he won't let it go until he feels he has won. Doug had actual thought and passion behind his argument.
There is something really fake about Jim Norton that annoys me.
Maybe the fact his battle with sobriety is bullshit, he lived at home till he was 30 and when arguing with a listener will say things like "baby boy" as an insult. Also, let's face it, his stand up is absolutely horrible!
Agreed
Don't forget the pleasure of it all!
Stanhope is my favorite comedian, jimmy is top 10, I find I'm always on the same wavelength with stanhope, and this for sure, I love jimmy but his addict shit is so phony. I'm an addict, na/aa are good for some ppl but bad for others, some people aren't even addicts and get brainwashed by aa, like jimmy. I'm clean for 2+ years without na. Totally agree with everything doug says, as usual.
The most annoying thing about Jim is his fake alcohol addiction
+tonedog77 he just thinks all the Greatest comedians were "damaged" therefore he has to fool himself into thinking he's "experienced" with drug culture and has had a dark past. Cringe
thank you i thought i was the only one who thought that
I think Jim is absurdly funny on O and A but he is a self righteous pontificating douche sometimes. the worst pontifications are when it comes to substance abuse
He never experienced real alcoholism. He only drank for attention and he admitted that
I know I'm years late on this comment, but thank you. I like jim, but his "sobriety" has always annoyed me. Like another commenter said, he's just trying to fit into the club.
Being an asshole when you're drunk at 14-18 doesn't mean you're an alcoholic. Yeah, maybe he was a piece of shit (and I mean that lovingly) back then, but that's just who he was. An asshole (again, mean that lovingly). But unfortunately he thinks he's the brain child behind getting sober... even patrice called him out on that before
I would love a talk show with cohosts Dave Attell & Doug Stanhope
53:52 AWESOME idea!
Stanhope is light-years funnier than Norton. and GOD is mentioned in step 3. (TWICE) Maybe Norton would recall this if he 1. didnt have selective memory. and 2nd was an actual alcoholic.
Doyle Hodges
I know right. Fucking dolt.
Yeah jimi got sober at 19y ridiculous he didn't even "flesh it out"
Love this conversation. So hard to find these intellectual discussion though. I suck ass at googling things.
I've never heard Jim flounder so much in a discussion.Doug is 100% right (in my opinion).
best parts are when jimmy stops talking
the best are when Norton is absent.
Exactly stfu Jimmy. I have someone vastly more interesting and funny than you are, why don't you just shut up and let him talk? Instead of constantly interrupting. I'm totally with you on that bro
Its funny how mayberry talks about eating on radio, when he does it numerous times.
Norton is as honest about his alcoholism as he is about his homosexuality
jimmys drug of choice is life....we're all gonna die, some of us have dignity without fear of death yimmy.
I loved that debate about AA between Stanhope and Norton. I thought Stanhope would blow him out of the water but Norton raised a damn good point.
Well, Hicks was sober for his entire life aside from a couple of years, so he doesn't exactly fit that mold. Stanhope has arguably lived more throttle than anyone, and he's still around. The difference is, Stanhope didn't fuck with heroin. If Hedberg did the same, he'd probably still be here.
Jimmy gets on the defensive with strongly opinionated comedians. He had the same weirdness with Norm
"If drugs made you a good writer, then why isn't every drug addict a novelist?" WTF?... No one in the history of man has ever said "drugs made me a great writer." or that "drugs made me a great comedian". They simply give it credit for enhancing the creativity that was ALREADY THERE. You've completely misunderstood the point Doug makes when says that. No, not every drunken lush can be a comedian. However, for already talented people, it can enhance their performing abilities.
I wish doug just told jim that he was actually friends with mitch and jimmy doesnt know what the fuck he was saying in regards to him. also I wonder how jim would have reacted if someone did the devils advocate joking shit talker act that he does whenever someone tries to be serious, I bet he wouldnt have taken it too well. lasty anthony should have just stopped talking
Drunk driving, I'd say, is probably more like firing a gun randomly than having one on you. Great podcast though. I've only just started listening to more Doug Stanhope
Ok- norton is right- yes- back in the day it was VERY god driven, and YES- some people use the meeting as a way to push god, that happens. BUT- they do say it doesn't have to be god, it can be an aunt or uncle- ANYTHING you believe that is more powerful and better than you, it could be twinkies- your hero anything. I love Stanhope and he has a very valid argument/ but norton is spot on- it's changed throughout the years- when Stanhope was in it, it was very god driven and that's all he knows, AA was very preachy and sketchy, it's changed, if he went now and had this argument he would get the other point, however he's made a lot of money on his way of looking at it- so I don't see him admitting it's not pure religion driven- you just substitute god for what is best for you to prove your not in control- even if your the higher power, that's fine- they'll go with it as long as your trying to be sober/ that's all that matters.
Stanhope say's that too, if I HAVE to believe there's a higher power than me that I can't control, then yes there is, it's called alcohol so I'm right back where I started
Did jimmy really try to say alcohol makes you beat your wife? He said people don't beat their wives after eating gravy.... well they do! if someone gets drunk and beats a woman it's not the drinks fault but the person who done the beating, and would beat a woman while sober everyday if he could, the alcohol is a scapegoat, and reality is most domestic violence involves alcohol because the abuser is more likely to get caught when drunk and not thinking straight giving the woman a chance to call the police or a neighbour overhearing the incident due to the drunk man being too loud.
Krinkle do you live on hopper? like a rabitt hip hop? I'm waiting for the Senator
You talkin' to me?
1:11:10 damn this shit is dark!!
Bill was kind of like George Carlin, in the fact that they both started off as silly and funny, then they became dark, honest, and hilarious. I would say Doug is like Bill Hicks in the fact that he's honest, incredibly talented and hilarious, doesn't give a shit, and is dirt poor.
Bill Hicks didn't really live "full throttle" and if you compare his comedy to when he was drinking around 20+-, to when he was dabbling in psychadelics around 30, it's no comparison: He was much better when he was dabbling in mushrooms and focused on being honest.
When he was "living full throttle", he was literally getting the shit beat out of him on stage, just like Jim Jefferies.
Really interesting appearance but damn was Doug obnoxious abt AA.
AA all comes down to the group of sober people spending time together the camaraderie you could throw all the literature and readings out the window its litterally just a support group the literature and god talk is all just busy work
Stanhope took after Hicks. Not as big but he's the same anti establishment comic.
anti-establishment isn't such a narrow road to make stanhope and hicks similar. they are different in most ways, the end result of respective comedy styles being the most important - hicks is naive, hippieish and lives on the passion of his performance, stanhope is more down to earth and doesn't believe in people all that much and doesn't partake in a crusade in the manner of hicks.
he's not as big as hicks because he's not dead. stanhope has a much larger body of work.
+Benjamin Desroches It's hard to have a large body of work when you die at 32. And as many comics say, they don't hit their stride until they in they're in their 30s and 40s. It's pretty remarkable that Bill Hicks accomplished as much as he did in comedy dying so young.
a dry drunk = Jim Norton.
Holy Shit, Doug's moms suicide story is stark.
Jim: healthy and doesn't drink through the help of AA. Stanhope: raging alcoholic. Whose opinion of AA should we value more...?
Doug. The son of the aa relapse.
Yet he'll fuck prostitutes without a condom and engage in other filthy activities.
He also can't keep a relationship going because he's a douche.
Definitely listening to Doug.
all hail the high and mighty jim ,,lame
Alcoholism is a bitch, AA's god shit annoys me as well, but it helps people. Im worried about Doug, hes starting to sound like Giraldo
Well this aged fine, he's still around
Norton won't let Stanhope off the hook because Doug is trying to rationalize away his drinking issues. He knows he needs help and so does Norton. Can't believe the drunks on here all trying defend Stanhope (whom I also love as a comic.)
And whose business is Doug's drinking? The "issue" is yours
Hick up! AA yeah!
I'm a recovered alcoholic and I agree with Doug.
You are never recovered and if you wanna back up a guy making every excuse to not get help... well we all have assholes; I mean opinions.
john russo You sound pretentious and miserable, stop white-knuckling it and go have a drink =)
Jim's argument on AA is bullshit. The same argument could apply to any quack medicine. His whole counterpoint on the mandatory religion in 12 step programs is purely semantics based. Just because several of the steps are directly based on theistic principals, doesn't mean you have to embrace religion, I think he's questioning his entire life and core philosophy while getting super defensive, desperately trying to justify his ideas. Stanhope is like the Kaiser Reich, Jim is like Belgium, he fought real hard at first, but Stanhope can do this shit all day. Also I disagree about Hedberg, he had to take chances with his brain and chemicals to get that deep, don't impose your fucked up desire to live forever on other people.
Love Norton but the 18 year old AA in recovery gimmick is ridiculous
Aa and na are interesting da is down right fa fa fa fuct....
I’d rather live like an addict than constantly in fear of being one like Jimmy. So weird how people can’t enjoy things they like without completely killing themselves with it. It’s like they get tunnel vision and forget that’s important to diversify what you enjoy spending time doing.
Aa/na ALWAYS say their way is the only way that works. Jimmy either doesn't go around aana ppl or he's lying his ass off about that. Ugh
Lot of phony rebel-intellectuals commenting here.
If Jimmy got his wish and Hedberg became a straight laced sober guy, he would’ve just ruined his legacy like Steve-O.
what part of this is funny?
1:17:28 Doug is a genius)