@@michaelmarshall1713 What was the last GOOD song Gene wrote? I'm going for a spot of tea while you ponder that! e I go for a spot of tea! Chip, chip, cheerio! Ace wrote and put out plenty of albums starting in the mid-80s. I would guess you are a young so-called fan who probably never saw the original band in the 70s!
@@MichaelDouglasSkewes Lay down for awhile as I am 62 and have been a fan since age 13 and have seen the original and other versions of Kiss . I think Gene wrote good songs for many years and yes Monster is not a standout for any of them but more success than Ace has had in his entire solo career . Listen to last few Ace albums and those awful Origins Albums and he has had some good song but most of his albums are crap .Compare Revenge to anything Ace ever wrote after he left the band and honestly tell me you think Ace was superior ???
@@michaelmarshall1713 ok old man. I'm 60 and have been a fan since 1976, saw them twice in 77 at the Forum, and Magic Mountain in 78, and know all of the members both original and not, and have worked with 2 of them in my own bands. My friend since 7th grade, Brent Woods is in Gene's solo band. I actually think Vinnie was the best guitarist they EVER had and, yes he has had his problems, but he DID save KISS after dealing with the tortured twins Paul and Gene! And then putting his own band together without knowing that he had a weasel on bass that would do anything to get what he wanted, even stealing his band from under his nose! That is when he started to go down the hull. Anyway, Gene is writing GOOD songs and Ace is writing GOOD songs, that have been on the setlist from the beginning! That is what I am talking about! Cold Gin! Shock Me, and probably more if he didn't keep them for his 78 Solo album which was better than Genes by a mile. I don't really want to argue about KISS because I'm not 12 still, I might act like it but I am not. That's why I just stopped singsongs and getting all into this because we are both, I would think, grandfathers, so it's a little silly. Plus I just like saying stuff to see what kind of reaction I get! I mean, this is KISS we are talking about! A band that should have stopped 20 years ago at least! So, that is about all I have to say really. I love the Original band and Revenge is the second best non make up nest to lick it up. It's about even to me! Cool?
Gene & Paul Started The band . Peter & Ace joined them and did not write as much nor sang regardless of being encouraged to do so . Fact is Ace & Peter would never have been heard of nor succeeded if not for Gene & Paul.
@@michaelmarshall1713 funny you should say that because Peter is the one that had the biggest hit in the history of kiss and Ace were more hit songs than Gene and Paul combined
@@salortiz3528 Beth was a huge hit yes . But after that ? Nothing . Ace never wrote a hit ever (New York Groove ) is not his song . Gene & Paul wrote the bulk of the songs and the hits . Rock & Roll All Night , I Was Made For Loving You , Sure Know Something , Shandi , Shout It Out Loud ( Hard Luck Woman ) Written by Paul . The albums did the business more than the singles . Ace & Peter would never have been heard of if not for Gene & Paul .
Heavily disagree. That’s when it really started. The first 7 years laid the foundation for the other 43 even more successful years (on and off), and with WAY BETTER musicians!
To me the original lineup is always the best,I do however have a place in my heart for the none makeup era with Eric Carr, Vinnie Vincent, Mark St. John and Bruce Kulick but not Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer(only Revenge era for Singer)
Kiss ripped Everyone off. Due to the Modern World of You Tube etc. We find out after Destroyer, nothing was the Original Band, but a lot of extras! I love Bob Kulicks work, he got ripped off too. God love him and his Brother.
Gene and Paul definitely deserved more money in the original Kiss era. The work they put in to make Kiss into an empire was phenomenal. I'm not saying Ace and Peter never contributed, they just never ever saw the big picture.
A boss I had when I was 12 was from England and he would pick me up for work in his painting van. He used to make much the same mistake as Gene's mother. As with a British family I knew, he was very sparing with words. So at intersections, both they and my boss would just say "Left" is a car was coming from the left and "Right" if coming from the left, but also, if he wanted me to look left from the passenger seat (on the left), he'd just say "Left?" and start taking off and if it was clear, I'd say "Y'right" and he'd hit the brakes sending things flying expecting a car to be about to hit him from the right! Then he'd yell at me for pranking him!
With all of the money Gene Simmons has you would think he would put out the money for a decent wig to cover his bald head instead of the ridicules looking piece he wears.
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If Gene can be believed, shame on Pete and Ace for not participating in the final tour. I was hoping at least, as a NYC band, they would at least play the NYC shows. I never cared about the drama until Gene stole the Cat and Spaceman personas and put hired hands in the costumes. That was a scumbag move. Despite that, I would have gone to the final NYC show if Ace and Pete participated. I think Gene and Paul will milk KISS until the very end. I think Pete is not well, but if Ace played I would go.
bottom line... Gene was the business saavy member of Kiss... Decent Bass skills and worthy bassist I think even Better singer... Dare I say, better than Paul. Ace, not saavy with money but knew ROCK AND ROLL like the back of his hand. Played with soul and was the heart of the 70's KISS music (which happens to be their best era no matter what G and P say). What I am saying is they all needed each other. Without each other they were average at best. As a lifelong Kiss fan I will always say this. Their NON-Original lineup had a few good albums (i.e. COTN, LIU and Revenge).. That is all though, I am just being subjective of coarse on my opinions on albums, but I believe Kiss lost it's way in the 80's... and then history repeated by putting makeup on 2 of the FAKE Peter Criss and Ace Frehley characters. Total bullshit and a FU to the members who literally fought for them their whole life.
This is such clickbait. They had 4 equal shares in their original. The only time they didnt was when they got back together for the reunion. Even tbough they were original members, ace and peter werr treated as employees under contract. Paul and Gene got the lions share, followed by ace and then peter. Ace got more then peter and kept it a secret from him for a good while.
Paul and Gene hate Ace because he is a MUCH better musician than they are and he overshadowed them on stage. Which drove Paul and Gene crazy because they have such gigantic egos.
Gene Simmons : Once a Thief , Always a Thief
Face it Peter and Ace ruined it for themselves....
Yes just read their books .
Ace wrote more GREAT songs while wasted than Gene ever did sober!
You are kidding ? Ace did nothing for years after Kiss whilst Gene still wrote and succeeded.
@@michaelmarshall1713 What was the last GOOD song Gene wrote? I'm going for a spot of tea while you ponder that! e I go for a spot of tea! Chip, chip, cheerio! Ace wrote and put out plenty of albums starting in the mid-80s. I would guess you are a young so-called fan who probably never saw the original band in the 70s!
@@MichaelDouglasSkewes Lay down for awhile as I am 62 and have been a fan since age 13 and have seen the original and other versions of Kiss . I think Gene wrote good songs for many years and yes Monster is not a standout for any of them but more success than Ace has had in his entire solo career . Listen to last few Ace albums and those awful Origins Albums and he has had some good song but most of his albums are crap .Compare Revenge to anything Ace ever wrote after he left the band and honestly tell me you think Ace was superior ???
@@michaelmarshall1713 ok old man. I'm 60 and have been a fan since 1976, saw them twice in 77 at the Forum, and Magic Mountain in 78, and know all of the members both original and not, and have worked with 2 of them in my own bands. My friend since 7th grade, Brent Woods is in Gene's solo band. I actually think Vinnie was the best guitarist they EVER had and, yes he has had his problems, but he DID save KISS after dealing with the tortured twins Paul and Gene! And then putting his own band together without knowing that he had a weasel on bass that would do anything to get what he wanted, even stealing his band from under his nose! That is when he started to go down the hull. Anyway, Gene is writing GOOD songs and Ace is writing GOOD songs, that have been on the setlist from the beginning! That is what I am talking about! Cold Gin! Shock Me, and probably more if he didn't keep them for his 78 Solo album which was better than Genes by a mile. I don't really want to argue about KISS because I'm not 12 still, I might act like it but I am not. That's why I just stopped singsongs and getting all into this because we are both, I would think, grandfathers, so it's a little silly. Plus I just like saying stuff to see what kind of reaction I get! I mean, this is KISS we are talking about! A band that should have stopped 20 years ago at least! So, that is about all I have to say really. I love the Original band and Revenge is the second best non make up nest to lick it up. It's about even to me! Cool?
Gene & Paul Started The band . Peter & Ace joined them and did not write as much nor sang regardless of being encouraged to do so . Fact is Ace & Peter would never have been heard of nor succeeded if not for Gene & Paul.
@@michaelmarshall1713 funny you should say that because Peter is the one that had the biggest hit in the history of kiss and Ace were more hit songs than Gene and Paul combined
@@salortiz3528 Beth was a huge hit yes . But after that ? Nothing . Ace never wrote a hit ever (New York Groove ) is not his song . Gene & Paul wrote the bulk of the songs and the hits . Rock & Roll All Night , I Was Made For Loving You , Sure Know Something , Shandi , Shout It Out Loud ( Hard Luck Woman ) Written by Paul . The albums did the business more than the singles . Ace & Peter would never have been heard of if not for Gene & Paul .
Paul and Gene will bever accept that they were so hard to get along with that Peter and Ace had to leave the band.
When Peter and Ace left the band that was the end of kiss.
PETER was fired Ace left...end of Kiss not hardly .....
And the end of their careers . Peter has done bugger all and Ace has done very little .
I would disagree.
Heavily disagree. That’s when it really started. The first 7 years laid the foundation for the other 43 even more successful years (on and off), and with WAY BETTER musicians!
To me the original lineup is always the best,I do however have a place in my heart for the none makeup era with Eric Carr, Vinnie Vincent, Mark St. John and Bruce Kulick but not Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer(only Revenge era for Singer)
Kiss ripped Everyone off. Due to the Modern World of You Tube etc. We find out after Destroyer, nothing was the Original Band, but a lot of extras! I love Bob Kulicks work, he got ripped off too. God love him and his Brother.
Well that explains why Ace/Peter wanted to leave the band in '77/'78. Just a thought.
Gene and Paul definitely deserved more money in the original Kiss era. The work they put in to make Kiss into an empire was phenomenal. I'm not saying Ace and Peter never contributed, they just never ever saw the big picture.
Why can’t they do a concert in New York,originally band members and donate the profits to homeless people
Thats a Wonderful Idea But Gene and Paul wouldnt catch themselves doing that
A boss I had when I was 12 was from England and he would pick me up for work in his painting van. He used to make much the same mistake as Gene's mother. As with a British family I knew, he was very sparing with words. So at intersections, both they and my boss would just say "Left" is a car was coming from the left and "Right" if coming from the left, but also, if he wanted me to look left from the passenger seat (on the left), he'd just say "Left?" and start taking off and if it was clear, I'd say "Y'right" and he'd hit the brakes sending things flying expecting a car to be about to hit him from the right! Then he'd yell at me for pranking him!
Better to have 10% of something over 100% of nothing
With all of the money Gene Simmons has you would think he would put out the money for a decent wig to cover his bald head instead of the ridicules looking piece he wears.
Simmons always bashes Peter and Ace
And Vinnie, and Mark etc
All 4 original s were at best ! I listen to the original s Kiss music only ...
Best gimmick in rock and roll
Damn straight. I'd rather go with a "Gimmick" than work a 9-5 job.
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OFF TOPIC! STOP SPAMMING! REPORTED FOR BEING A CRYPTOBOT!
Small hat tribe. It's their culture.
I would LOVE 3 minutes alone in a room with Gene
If Gene can be believed, shame on Pete and Ace for not participating in the final tour. I was hoping at least, as a NYC band, they would at least play the NYC shows.
I never cared about the drama until Gene stole the Cat and Spaceman personas and put hired hands in the costumes. That was a scumbag move.
Despite that, I would have gone to the final NYC show if Ace and Pete participated.
I think Gene and Paul will milk KISS until the very end. I think Pete is not well, but if Ace played I would go.
bottom line... Gene was the business saavy member of Kiss... Decent Bass skills and worthy bassist I think even Better singer... Dare I say, better than Paul. Ace, not saavy with money but knew ROCK AND ROLL like the back of his hand. Played with soul and was the heart of the 70's KISS music (which happens to be their best era no matter what G and P say). What I am saying is they all needed each other. Without each other they were average at best. As a lifelong Kiss fan I will always say this. Their NON-Original lineup had a few good albums (i.e. COTN, LIU and Revenge).. That is all though, I am just being subjective of coarse on my opinions on albums, but I believe Kiss lost it's way in the 80's... and then history repeated by putting makeup on 2 of the FAKE Peter Criss and Ace Frehley characters. Total bullshit and a FU to the members who literally fought for them their whole life.
This is such clickbait. They had 4 equal shares in their original. The only time they didnt was when they got back together for the reunion. Even tbough they were original members, ace and peter werr treated as employees under contract. Paul and Gene got the lions share, followed by ace and then peter. Ace got more then peter and kept it a secret from him for a good while.
Gene stalling
Paul and Gene hate Ace because he is a MUCH better musician than they are and he overshadowed them on stage. Which drove Paul and Gene crazy because they have such gigantic egos.
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When Ace left the band, it was nearly the end of KISS. They almost lost their recording contract.
Love Ace, but watch recent videos of him playing....it's awful