I agree, Clemson was put at a disadvantage by not playing top talent. This gave them a false sense of their abilities...but (as you mentioned) there were danger signs. The X factor was Joe Burrow. His experience (coach’s son and student of the game), talent, demeanor and leadership made LSU unstoppable on offense. I knew Clemson wouldn’t be able stay with LSU under Burrow. Kudos to the Tigers...a season for the ages!
I disagree, No Burrow..No Championship.. It had nothing to do with who Clemson or anybody else played.,Clemson could have been in the SEC this year and would have lost to LSU so please stop using that .It sort of looks like you wanted Clemson to win if they had better opportunities.
@@chaynebaltezore8986 I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Clemson was claiming to be disrespected because they had not lost in 29 games. LSU's mantra all year has been "We are 0-0, this is a new game. the past doesn't matter". Clemson was seeking respect for what they had done previously. LSU is saying, "you will respect us after we do what we are about to do." It shows a fundamental difference in mentality and I believe was a big part of LSU's amazing season. "Block out the noise and do your job!!" Just like what Coach O said when they went from 1 to 2 in the polls. he said "We will play anybody, anywhere". Clemson said, "We should be #1 because we are defending champions and deserve that respect." See the difference?
@@zachbrown4073 I don't think their "mantra" was "we are 0-0...". I'm pretty sure I never heard coach O or Joe Burrow say that. Their mantra was more "we don't care who we play." and "nothing is good enough" I'm pretty sure Patrick Queen even said after the game "it feels like we have another game to play"
@@chaynebaltezore8986 Are you serious? If you have never heard them say that, then you haven't been watching. I have watched ever snap, every interview, every press conference. they said it ALL YEAR. Why are you arguing with me anyway? Clearly, I'm an LSU fan. I was just talking about how their attitude contributed to their great season.
Just like a lot of us y’all kept trying to tell people how good LSU was but everyone always kept going back to vandy and ole miss saying oh they gave up 600 yards to ole miss and 38 points to vandy.. yeah you can’t compare conference but everyone wanted to say oh Clemsons defense is elite they only gave up 10 points a game this year.. that worked out well for those people didn’t it? Lol
@@shazel3108 That talk pretty much went dead radio silence by week 8 or 9 ... and by the ACC championship, NOBODY brought it up. I think the point was that it was not in the discussion relevant to the title game vs LSU
Honestly I think that Trevor Lawrence simply found himself in totally foreign territory when Clemson ended up in a significant hole. He has never really faced adversity. The ACC has been underwhelming for a couple of years and he has rarely been challenged in conference play. In the playoffs last year both Notre Dame and Alabama had major issues on defense and he was able to exploit it. This year however they struggled mightily with Ohio State and required some questionable officiating and miserable redzone play by the Buckeyes in order to secure a win. If Ohio State came away with TDs rather than field goals they win that game by a large margin. LSU fell behind early but they simply remained calm, made the necessary adjustments, and then played their brand of football. Once the tables were turned Lawrence was clearly not comfortable with playing from behind against an equal or better opponent and it showed. When faced with some major adversity he became rattled and started playing like he was desperate just to complete a pass. And Joe Burrow is just a cold blooded assassin with so many weapons that Clemson's defense was shell shocked to the point that he just had to decide which wide open receiver to throw to.
@@lvbuckeye 😆😆😆 Clemson didn't even have a TD thrown in the game. Only rushing TDs. Caitlyn Jenner, I mean Lawrence was inept at the throws all because of the LSU Defense. 😆😆😆😆
@@CollegeFootballNerds The thing that I sit here and think about really is that nobody even most Clemson fans if we're being honest, expected us to be back in the title game a year after losing our whole D line. So, to me LSU earned the win and Ohio state fans can go cry in a corner somewhere. I've already seen so many pile on to the LSU bandwagon because they want revenge on the big bad Clemson. We will be back next year, better than we were this year. Go Tigers!
I hated how everyone really thought the blow out of Oklahoma was really a fluke and focused on that leading up to this game....it was;nt. LSU Offense were that potent this year.
Clemson will be slammed with sanctions, WATCH. They’ll also be stripped of at least one title. You don’t come from nowhere in a crap conference like Clemson did, without breaking rules, again, JUST WATCH
Rewatching this analysis is even better the second time around. Football Nerds predictions and summaries are legit! Good work fellas keep it up and the masses will catch on soon enough. And Geaux Tigers!
Lawrence said it himself while speaking to Kirk Herbstreit: LSUs defense looked faster than OSUs defense. LSU is not as good at tackling as OSU... but it’s harder to hit a home run play on LSU bcz they as a group tend to get to you sooner than other teams would.
Lamar Stevens that is spot on. I think OSU defense was probably better as a whole but LSU man for man is faster on defense than OSU and we all know speed kills. I think that showed up in this game and Clemson struggled on offense bc of it.
Great show guys! Didn't find you yall until the Bama/LSU game, but I've been watching ever since. Looking forward to the off-season content and the 2020 season! Again, you guys a great! Roll Tide!
LSU defense was peaking at the end of the season and played their best in the NC. LSU offense & Burrow was just on another level compared to Clemson's. Congrats to the real tiger that is LSU.
I think our thoughts on Trevor are similar. He is a good QB with elite talent but he is not an elite QB/passer yet. Crazy expectations typically hurt any player.
Everyone saying he's already the number one pick in next year's draft is just being a prisoner of the moment following his 2018 performance. He has alot of room to grow and develop as a player.
Timadin just like how we were told before the 2019 season how Herbert is the obvious #1 pick. In 2020, when TL no longer has: 4 senior OL guys both receivers Etienne I think it will be seen that TL is a guy who without all that game breaking elite talent at all skill positions nor those 4 senior O linemen he will degrade in value again. I disagree with the high ceiling comment. I think TL has a very high floor. Much like Herbert. Trevor Laurence lost money last night. Did y’all notice how Dabo was selling so hard the idea that TL is extraordinary and won’t lose for a long time again. Me thinks Dabo was selling a bit too hard.
I think an apt comparison for TL is Cam Newton. Big fast dynamic runner who while he has a cannon isn’t as accurate as many think. He is Cam Newton with better talent at WR and RB.
He is elite but LSU Defense Clamped down and force him to be erratic with his throws ,,Arranda adjusted his Guys and put them in the right spots to make plays.
People leave out the fact that LSU scored Soo fast all year that our Defense wasn't off the field long in most games we were scoring in 3or4 plays and Defense was back on the field.
My pre-game prediction was LSU 42 - Clemmie 27. The reason I rooted for LSU in the Natty was because of the arrogant disrespect I heard from the Clemson fans after they beat OSU. Confidence and Bragging Rights, I understand, but they (many of them, not all of them) were rude and often filthy-mouthed about it. Congrats to LSU on a huge victory.
HEY GUYS. DIE HARD LSU FAN HERE. FIRST TIME LISTEN TO U GUYS. I'M STILL SOAKING UP ALL THE HYPE FROM THIS YEARS TEAM. LOVE GOING BACK AND LISTING TO ALL THE NAY SAYERS ABOUT THIS CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Y'ALL HAVE PUT THE BEST REACTION ON THIS GAME OF ANYONE I HAVE HEARD. I TO WAS SAYING ALL ALONG CLEMSON HAD A SCHEDULE THAT WOULD MAKE ANY GOOD TEAM LOOK GREAT. SOME ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT GREAT TL IS, AND HE IS GOOD. BUT HE DOES NOT RANK IN JB"S LEAGUE. I HAVE WATCHED SO MANY REPLAYS OF LSU AND HAVE BEEN JUST AMASED AT JUST HOW WELL JOE THROWS THE FB.JUST LOOK AT WHERE THOSE GUYS CAUGHT THOSE BALLS. I MEAN I COULD HAVE MADE THOSE CATCHES. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TEAM THAT WAS SO ABOUT BEING A TEAM AND AN INDIVIDUAL. THEY DONE THIS WITH CLASS. THANK YOU.
LSU Defense Man pretty much limited Clemson's Offense and forced them to do things they're not used to. Trevor hurried his throws and was way off constantly you dont see that happened hardly every. Props to my LSU Tigahs.
You guys were spot on. It was about personnel matchups, NOT stats. The only common opponent was TAMU, and I thought it was ancient history for Clemson since it was game 2. However, the point differential by LSU (50-7) and Clemson (24-10) vs TAMU was always in the back of my mind during the game. LSU damn near hung 50 on Clemson.
Lawrence showed me that he has a long way to go to be a complete QB that should, as a result, maximize his chances of being a solid professional QB. That said, he's still young and learning. Not his fault, but the overall lack of elite defensive competition he has faced, and likely will face next year (though I think the ACC should be improved next year) is going to make his transition to the pros a bumpy one. I'm not hating on the guy. He has top-of-the-charts physical ability, is a hard worker, and appears to be smart. But he does have a lot to work on to be worth the overall #1 slot he'll likely get drafted in in 2021.
H0tthedd generally, QBs either have accuracy or they don’t. Some can improve with coaching, but it’s a safe bet the T Law already receives really good coaching. He’s just not that accurate, as they guys mentioned in the video.
Could LSU have scored 50 on Clemson in that game had they needed to y’all asked ??? I think it would be pretty safe to say that LSU could’ve hung 70 plus on Clemson in that game had they wanted too !!! LSU literally made Clemson lay down and quit even trying to compete in that game from late in the 3rd quarter until the end of the game. LSU dropped a TD pass, missed a FG, kneeled down on the ball at Clemson’s 2 yard line, alone with just coasting on offense the entire 4th quarter just trying to burn the clock. There’s no doubt in my mind that LSU could’ve made the score real ugly in that game had they honestly wanted too !!!
Lawrence showed some cracks last night. He missed way too many throws a #1 pick is expected to make. Better work on throwing into tighter windows and upgrade his footwork in offseason.
jlive1975 Yeah I agree. He’s a competitor so I expect him to work hard in the offseason to fix those issues. Joe Burrow was clearly more poised and more refined last night. I think if Lawrence could declare for the draft this year Burrow would be picked ahead of him. That’s not an opinion I held before this game. I still think Lawrence is a better natural talent but Burrow is clearly the more NFL ready prospect at this moment in time.
Lawrence is an amazing physical QB, but his football IQ seems still a bit green and he doesn’t do well under pressure. If Clemson has more real challengers in the regular season he might be better under pressure. It’s hard to get up from a punch in the mouth and keep your cool if you haven’t been in many real fights. It’s just the other side of the coin from the effect of their conference schedule.
Kyle Summers totally agree. He has been bigger and badder than everybody his whole life. I think T Law is like Cam Newton. Big fast dynamic runner with a cannon who isn’t quite as accurate as you think. Cam Newton with better weapons. Still can be worth the #1 pick, but I think T Law lost money last night.
I know it's pointless, but this game just makes me wonder what a healthy OSU would have looked like against LSU. I still think LSU would have won, but it would have been a lower scoring, one possession game.
I doubt it’s a one score game honestly. You gotta remember LSU was two plays away from winning 52-25 and we kneeled the ball on the goal line to end it. Def would’ve been closer but I personally don’t see it being that close.
@@INoticeTooMuch1 You're not wrong. At the same time, OSU had the potential to just blow Clemson completely out were it not for a hampered justin fields (rpo in the redzone was our bread and butter all season), dumb mistakes (running into the kicker and dobbins basically dropping two free touchdowns), and the fumble return for a td called back. That's why in my comment I said a healthy OSU. That would have been a game to remember, with LSU defense stepping up as they did and those freak athletes at WR and TE.
Clemson’s defense benefited early from great punting and BV effectively bringing pressure up the middle while taking away check downs. One of the differences I see in Burrow compared to Tua is that Burrow is less instinctive than Tua is. Burrow is more process oriented play to play. So he usually won’t throw the Int when he gets hurried... but he will take the sack.
The punting was great. They put LSU on the 10 or further back for like three in a row. The first time they hit the ball to far and had a touchback they got creamed.
That game made me think if Clemson was in the SEC West they would have not made Playoffs. And with the ACC so down Expect Clemson to continue being in Playoffs for the next 2 to 3 years.
Especially given their 2021 schedule is the ACC slate, plus these 4 OOC games: S Carolina State, Wyoming, Uconn, South Carolina. Woof. At some point, I do wonder if even going undefeated in the ACC ends up being heavily scrutinized like an undefeated G5 team and Clemson misses the playoffs.
@@CollegeFootballNerds just saw that and at least next year they have to travel to Notre Dame. But yes 2021 OCC is a joke. Worse than Alabama 2019 OOC Schedule.
Think the same thing could be said about Oklahoma. Granted their loss doesn’t look as bad after what LSU did last night, but they’d be lucky to finish 3rd in the SEC West. Until somebody steps up in the Big XII to dethrone Oklahoma, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them continue to make the playoffs for the next 3-4 years, at least.
LSUs defense is much more susceptible to being ground through long drives first down after first down with a powerful RB and accurate and or effective running QB. Styles make fights. OSU would have been a scarier offense for LSU to deal with bcz OSU would have stayed on schedule more often. Clemson is explosive offensively but they stop themselves for you sometimes and LSU just doesn’t do that on offense. You have to stop LSU or they will score over and over again.
When ever Clemson was afforded the time to get an exotic blitz called in it tended to work. But when LSUs tempo set in exotic blitzes went away and the ferocity of the pass rush calmed. Tempo and Joe Burrow pocket presence is the real Joe Moore award winner.
Really only because LSU kept running empty or that stupid bunch formation. But empty hurt Clemson as much as it helped their blitz packages. I think it was a tradeoff LSU was willing to make.
@@CollegeFootballNerds agreed. The bunch wasnt working. Still don't see why Lsu didn't run more, especially once they had the lead. Really kept Clemson in the game.
Man. I agree. I was saying all night that LSU needed to play more tempo. Also, when they didn't play tempo, they needed to keep CEH back in protection. Hey, it all worked out, but really stressed me out for most of the game.
1) We are the Real Tigers and the ONLY Death Valley and it’s in LA. 2) Who you play matters and when you beat >4 teams who are in the top 10 on the CFB Nerd/AP/CFP rankings means you are good. 3) Argument for the greatest team of all time. This Team would have beat Clemson 2018... period.
LSU will return to being bamas bitch next year.....qb had the greatest season ever....cant count on that year in, year out lol.....ever heard of outliers in statistics
Osu fan here. I agree completely. And I wish so badly osu could’ve gone the distance themselves. Legendary team for LSU. Has to be a top 7 all time team. I felt osu was too but now they have nothing to show for it.
If perspective carries into the next season, Clemson should have this weigh just as heavily against them as Alabama did this year. When you play a schedule like they did and then get handled, that conversation should take place for the committee. You can’t say one year, “Well Alabama didn’t get challenged and when they did they weren’t that good” and then the EXACT same thing happen to Clemson this year. Dabo always says no one respects Clemson or they are viewed like the other top programs are. When you win a title, win 29 in a row and tell the whole country we are the best, you have to take the criticism as well. They play a terrible schedule and it’s even easier in 2020 somehow and when they played a better team they showed they just beat up on bad teams.
Fun show. I enjoyed it. If you like entertaining suggestions, I think it would help to find a way to segregate stats that are meaningful and stats that are not representative of the team. Josh Pate hates stats but admits some cannot be ignored, but he calls the only stats that matter as "padlock stats." Meaning I thought Late Kick was definitely taking an earlier opinion that LSU's defensive performances versus their potential and finally executing up to their potential - were not aligned, and he was seeing it much earlier. Maybe adding in position matchups, skill analysis, trends are things that could help. Because it is true, some stats seem to hold up until they don't. Trevor Lawrence's performance was impeded by the defensive play of LSU. He had success in the previous championship game because his receivers were catching a high number of poorly thrown balls, that were caught partially because they got lucky and partially due to Bama's defenders not making plays. But Lawrence got pressure in this game forcing him to release early and never really in my mind was an accurate passer the begin with. The media hyped him up. Some statistics simply never play out. Over the course of this year, I knew that watching Clemson games and individual players or their front seven on defense in the ACC was padding their numbers. While I knew LSU's problems at defense were not systemic, but rather a matter of not focusing, in other words repairable. AND it does matter who you play and how tough competition helps over the course of a season. Burrow gas a professional mind in that whatever defensive scheme he sees, he finds the vacated space or zone to exploit. And something needs to be said just how good an offensive line is when you can go completely empty without needing extra chip blockers in like a TE, FB, or a tailback. The defense therefore was playing catch up to the offense. That's what I saw. But I almost unsubscribed from a couple of sites because they would try to use a stupid argument like Auburn lost by three and lost four games so watch how bad LSU' defense will do against Clemson, OR look at how bad they played against Ole Miss. You guys kind of chastised me following the Bama game saying Stingley was put of his league when the truth was he was just susceptible to making freshman mistakes. With time he improved greatly. Something is wrong with stats on paper versus the development of a team up to their potential.
Quarantine driven insomnia brought me back to this from last year. The wrap up to the National Championship game, between LSU and Clemson.... is an Alabama should have been in the playoff Stan. That's the most CFNerds thing ever. Unreal.
Not sure where you got that. Neither of us think a 2 loss Alabama team had any business in the playoffs. Alabama without Tua and all those defenders out would have lost to any team in the playoffs other than Oklahoma. Might have even lost to OU.
The performance of LSUs defense in the ole miss and vandy game was blown way out of proportion. You guys might have been on the bandwagon, I was driving the damn thing!
I think so many people overlooked the fact that LSU's defense was banged up with injuries midway through the season when those games happened. Once they got healthy, they were a much better defense towards the end of the year.
Talmanes that’s what I said a lot since the SEC championship! Everybody said our defense probably wouldn’t pull through (especially against Oklahoma), and I told them to look at injury reports from past games and the performance overall in those games. 600+ yards, but few touchdowns to compensate. They can throw all the yards they want, it’s if we can stop them from scoring that counts. Only game that truly scares me the whole season was Alabama, because they are legendary status. And we won in a shoot out. No defense required.
The point at 11:40 was the most important bit of info relative to why they stopped going to Etienne. LSU shut him down outside of the long 29 yd gain. Clemson panicked and put the game in Lawrence's hand and he just showed terrible technique similar to a scared Eli Manning when pressure is on him.
The score was similar to the Florida game but the Florida game was much closer. Trask played much better than Lawrence. Lawrence is only good when his receivers catch all those 50/50 balls he throws. Gators were the only team to have the lead with LSU in the second half. Clemson grossly overrated. Florida Georgia bama and Auburn could have been playoff teams if they had Clemson’s schedule
Ikr... I was screaming at the tv saying run the ball LSU!!! It almost seems like they were saving #22 for the 4th quarter. Which worked out, but I just feel like our pass game could have been more efficient with a better run game in the first 3 quarters.
Congrats LSU, you were the better team and deserved to win. I think our defense played well enough to win this game, our offense just never got rolling. Trevor missed a lot of throws, and Tony Elliot did a piss poor job adjusting to that. Our offense just never seems consistent, it seems like we rely on way too many low percentage pass plays. Venables dialed up such a good defense this year, especially with some of the roster limitations, then to see our offense, which has so much talent underperform, is disappointing. I cant help but think a better OC would put together a much more productive offense. Give LSU all the credit, it would have been really tough for Clemson to win. But if Clemson's offense was better, this could have been closer
Identical Yards Per Play differential as the Alabama vs Clemson game last year. Yards Per Play 2019: Clemson (7.7) vs Alabama (6.1) = 1.6 2020: LSU (7.7) vs Clemson (6.1) = 1.6 Yards Per Rush 2019: Clemson (4.4) vs Bama (4.0) = 0.4 2020: Clemson (5.7) vs LSU (5.2) = 0.6 Yards Per Pass 2019: Clemson (10.8) vs Bama (8.2) = 2.7 2020: LSU (9.4) vs Clemson (6.3) = 3.1
Feel free. I think it goes a long way in showing that the perception of the results of two different games are very different than what the stats would tell you. Possession Success 2019 Alabama: 10 possessions - 2 TD/1 FG (30%) Clemson: 10 possessions - 5 TD/1 FG (60%) 2020 Clemson: 14 possessions - 3 TD/1 FG (28%) LSU: 15 possessions - 6 TD/0 FG (40%) *I did not count the drive before the end of the first half in both years. Both were inconsequential.
The touchdown that was call back should have been a no call they were all over each other. They will let you get away with some of this stuff and big games,but you cannot redirect a receiver (turn his body) running his route. That's why the interception was called back
@@CollegeFootballNerds yeah I was watching on ESPN and the announcers were saying the opi was a bad call, I yelled that the reciever did the same damn thing that Fulton (I believe) did when he got a dpi
Give Tee his TD. Take away LSU's score at the end of the drive where CEH was out of bounds on his sideline catch. LSU still wins! LSU beat Clemson, the refs didn't beat Clemson.
Terrell got beat up, it looked like burrows could just throw it deep to Chase anytime he wanted and it would be a touchdown. Even though they are the same height it looked like chase was 3-4 inches taller. Why play man to man coverage against the best wide receiver in the league? Lawrence had a bad game. The guy is 20 yrs, old Burrows is 23. Give Lawrence another 3 years to work on his game and lets see what sort of player he can become. Just look how much Burrows improved from last season to this season.
Tigas D was a bad scheme to start with , we need two groups of big boys on the line all the time staying rested, get back to that you get back to LSU defense
I think my biggest disagreement is about Clemson defense being a paper tiger I think their defense got enough stops I think the offensive Clemson not driving the ball having too many problems and kept turning it back over to LSU was the problem you can't keep giving an offense like that that many chances because they will get the upper hand on your defense doesn't matter who it is you named another defense in the country that would have done better against LSU last night and I don't want to hear Auburn because if Auburn were to line up against LSU last night it probably would have been worse
@@lorddavis2157 what the hell are you talking about dude ????? Thats what I just said...... Let me re state it for you... These guys in the video said that clemsons defense must have been a Paper Tiger... That means that on paper "Talking about statistics" Clemsons defense looked really good but in reality they sucked...I disagreed with them... i thought if Clemsons offense didnt suck so bad that the defensive side would have been much better....Because Clemson got enough stops.. LSU only scored 7 in 3rd quarter and 7 in 4th quarter ....Trevor Lawrence played shitty.... He was off Target all night...didnt mean to use all those big words and confuse you...and I see you use the word we... What position did you play???
Trevor Lawrence will be fine..he indeed had a bad night...LSU was just gonna win the game regardless.. our best corner gave up huge 2 big touchdowns..no excuse for that! You’ll see the difference next year with our defensive line..it’s all good see ya at the natty✌🏽😎 #CLEMSON
Florida state and Miami have to get their crap together! I am curious to watch NC the next few years. The ACC league is down and it shows when Clemson has to fight and claw out a win. They were able to against OSU but 2 games like that in a row was a bit much for them. Plus they faced one of the 5 best football teams of all time...possibly the best.
Would you really like to play Alabama and LSU and Tennessee every year? Perhaps you’d like to line up with auburn and Florida and Mississippi State like LSU does every year.
Burrow had a lower pass completion % bc receivers were uncharacteristically dropping balls they usually catch. He maybe had 5-7 bad passes. The rest were drops.
There's a difference between "won't win in the playoffs" which a lot of people thought about Oklahoma and "unfair that they're there and shouldn't be allowed to be there"
Clearly? really? you mean the same Bama that lost to Auburn? that Bama? there is nothing clear about them being the 4th best team. What does that even mean anyway? Yay!! Alabama is the 3rd loser!!!
In all fairness to Clemson, Ohio St, Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, or anyone else...THIS LSU TEAM WAS HISTORICALLY GREAT AND WAS NOT LOSING TO ANYONE. There are probably only a handful of teams in history that would have been able to hang with this team. It happens. Prime example: Clemson finished the season with the nation's number one defense. But LSU made minced meat out of them just like they did everyone else with the exception of Auburn and Georgia. So to Clemson fans who think that the SEC is overrated, explain how LSU was able to take a knee and basically mercy rule your team but yet Georgia and Auburn's defenses actually looked fairly decent against THE TIGERS. This inferiority complex that certain fan bases have is getting tired. Check the NFL rosters and check the National Championship winners over the last twenty years. Those two criteria clearly illustrate why the SEC is clearly on another level.
Playing good teams 100% matters. But when discussing the top elite teams, saying "Alabama didn't beat any teams like Indiana or Cincy" really just doesn't matter. Alabama would have murdered those teams. They just didn't have any on their schedule. So saying they should absolutely be out after losing a tight one to LSU is crazy.
@@CollegeFootballNerds I agree to that. My point on incentive is and I believe it is hard to justify this "elite" status based solely on "how" you play because "how" you play is based on the competition you face. To say Clemson is elite by destroying high school teams is not right. Now, the only proof they have to be considered "elite" is a close game to Ohio State. I think both Ohio State and Clemson would have lost 1 to 2 is SEC islf they are consistently being beat up like LSU, Bama.
@@H0tthedd That's not what we're debating. We're talking about the many many people who demanded that the LSU loss disqualify them. Right after Bama lost that game, droves of people came out saying it should be a disqualifier "if you don't win your division you shouldn't be in the playoffs." The Auburn game, relative to this specific talking point, is really immaterial. And honestly given the injury situation at the end of the year, I'm not sure we felt Alabama was a playoff team - even had they beaten Auburn. What we bristle at is the notion that if you lose by 5 points to the best team in the country, it should disqualify you from the playoffs because "you can't win your division" or "you didn't beat a handful of OK teams with a 8-9 win record"
@@CollegeFootballNerds Very good way of explaining the LSU/Auburn debate. About what we were talking about, I kind of look at it from a military perspective. Would you have confidence in a military division that is battle tested, or a fresh group of men with the same training, but haven't seen combat. That was Clemson's downfall. I suppose my point on incentive is, what's to stop Bama or Uga or anyone good in the SEC to change over to the ACC if your gonna cruze right into the playoffs every year by simply blowing the socks off 11 teams. That is what everyone is looking at when they see Clemson. A fresh team without injury because they played nobody not to mention some of the best recruiting year in and year out. Then you have the eye test. By now, the "eye test" has completely lost its validity proven by 5 years of CFP blowouts. Not all but many. Clemson had the eye test but no proof that they could win the big one. Maybe all this is screwed up because LSU would have made anyone look silly. Haha who knows.
Burrow wasn’t on as much as he has been but we had a bunch of drops in this game especially compared to how good they have been catching the ball all season
Posting this on all my favorite videos... Clemson didn’t put up 30 against any good team. Osu, A&M, and LSU, all under 30. Clemson offense was fraudulent. It’s easy to look elite in the ACC.
Dabo ranting about not getting respect might not be enough to get them invited to the playoffs next year. Do what the SEC does and put some good teams on your schedule. LSU is not scared they start the year against top teams almost every year.
Clemson got exposed, every single position group was out played. If Fields was healthy in the semifinal game the result of that game would have been similar to this. The committee needs to reevaluate the ACC and take into account how bad it is as a whole. Congrats to LSU, enjoy the win!
this is dumb. Clemson played in the same weak ACC last year and obliterated Alabama. They lost a game. They were not "exposed" they lost to a better team. LSU did to Clemson what they did to everyone else they played. This was just their year. Has nothing to do with Clemson as a program moving forward no matter how trash the ACC is
I don't think any team could have beaten this LSU team last night in the Louisiana (Mercedes-Benz) Superdome. That being said, OSU should have been in that game. GEAUX TIGAHS.
@@alexmontoya9603 Fields not being able to run severely hampered Ohio State's offense. It would be like if Jalen hurts couldn't scramble...the offense is built around that! If you run the read option all year then can't run it in your most important game of course it's going to play a major role.
I'm just here to show my "face" so to speak, so you all know I'm not ducking. I was at the game, and other than a hand full of a-hole LSU students that seem to think angrily yelling and mocking at me and my friend was more fun than enjoying the win, I had a great time. The LSU fans on Bourbon St were a lot of fun to hang and drink with. Clemson is likely to be back next year, so I wasn't discouraged, just disappointed. LSU, Good for you and enjoy it. You can rub it in Bama's face, too.
All of LSU DB made more of an impact than chase young but none of them are heisman finalists. Bullshit cuz anyone can pass rush Maryland and Rutgers😂😂😂
Clemson lost because their offensive coach staff is far inferior. If TL et al just played spontaneously like a pick up game, they would have done better. Seriously, 2 yard passes to Etienne behind the line of scrimmage and repeated runs up the gut by a guy who needs space and daylight????
Just blurt it out ....what would Ohio State have done???....pretty much the same or worse outcome.give it a rest.ohio State already has its national title this century
Also, you guys are taking cheap shots at Clemson trying to dismiss what Clemson did last year. They have been consistently great for years now. Get over your bias.
Your rant about Alabama & UGA not controlling their schedule is literally the argument Clemson made about theirs. But, you talked disparagingly on Clemson when you made that point. That’s a little biased...
Biggest reason why people thought clemsons was elite because of the schedule/conference they play in...do a side by side comparison of lsu and clemsons 2019 schedule and its a complete joke
that loss was the best thing that could happen to Lawrence.....kid is going to be ready come next season....anyone who thinks Clemson wont be right back in the playoffs next year on dope
"A lot of good teams, but also a lot of cupcakes." And the point was that LSU had a number of bad defenses to beat up and pad per/game stats - which usually means season averages are artificially high. But we were discussing that Clemson barely held them below averages anyway, so either 1) Clemson's D was overrated or 2) LSU was so good the opponent didn't matter. Really think you missed the point of this discussion.
@Ryan Randone oh yeah also would have kept lsu in the 30s at least, probably would have scored more as well, cause clemson was kind over hyped and I really didnt see that wow factor to them everyone else would see
As an osu fan I think fields had a bad game. And I’ll never get over that loss ever. The offense was great, but the defense was just downright amazing. So idk if they can ever get better
@@Paul-vb4mn yea ok....Let's go back to the BCS system and get rid of the playoffs..... You idiot!!!! Why dont you try an add something intelligent to the conversation???
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Once LSU finally got into their usual offensive rhythm, Clemson had no chance.
Also, Stingley was ELITE. Had a whole side of the field shut down.
Bamas receivers stock went way up after this game. Clemson's defensive backs stock dropped.
Kid is a true freshman and by the time he leaves he'll be the best DB to ever come through LSU
@@matto2198 and that's saying alot considering the DBs that have come through.
No matter what you say about Clemson .. They will be back next year and LSU won't!! Say something....
Eddie Carlton they will walk through the acc, then lose to a good team again.
I agree, Clemson was put at a disadvantage by not playing top talent. This gave them a false sense of their abilities...but (as you mentioned) there were danger signs. The X factor was Joe Burrow. His experience (coach’s son and student of the game), talent, demeanor and leadership made LSU unstoppable on offense. I knew Clemson wouldn’t be able stay with LSU under Burrow. Kudos to the Tigers...a season for the ages!
I disagree, No Burrow..No Championship.. It had nothing to do with who Clemson or anybody else played.,Clemson could have been in the SEC this year and would have lost to LSU so please stop using that .It sort of looks like you wanted Clemson to win if they had better opportunities.
Congrats LSU the best championship resume in the history of college football.
Would have like to see ....OSU vs LSU...if the refs didn't cheat OSU.
@@ohiostsupremesuperdynasty7326 agreed
Ohio State OWNS U of M really? Hahahahaha
Clemson prior to the game: "We are 29-0, show us some respect". LSU prior to the game: "We are 0-0, we will get respect by going 1-0 in this game".
I think you fudged that a little. Clemson wasn't 29-0 in championship games. You can't compare two entire seasons to just championship wins.
@@chaynebaltezore8986 I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Clemson was claiming to be disrespected because they had not lost in 29 games. LSU's mantra all year has been "We are 0-0, this is a new game. the past doesn't matter". Clemson was seeking respect for what they had done previously. LSU is saying, "you will respect us after we do what we are about to do." It shows a fundamental difference in mentality and I believe was a big part of LSU's amazing season. "Block out the noise and do your job!!" Just like what Coach O said when they went from 1 to 2 in the polls. he said "We will play anybody, anywhere". Clemson said, "We should be #1 because we are defending champions and deserve that respect." See the difference?
@@zachbrown4073 I don't think their "mantra" was "we are 0-0...". I'm pretty sure I never heard coach O or Joe Burrow say that. Their mantra was more "we don't care who we play." and "nothing is good enough" I'm pretty sure Patrick Queen even said after the game "it feels like we have another game to play"
@@chaynebaltezore8986 Are you serious? If you have never heard them say that, then you haven't been watching. I have watched ever snap, every interview, every press conference. they said it ALL YEAR. Why are you arguing with me anyway? Clearly, I'm an LSU fan. I was just talking about how their attitude contributed to their great season.
@@zachbrown4073 I've watched as much as you have. Show me the clip then.
Just like a lot of us y’all kept trying to tell people how good LSU was but everyone always kept going back to vandy and ole miss saying oh they gave up 600 yards to ole miss and 38 points to vandy.. yeah you can’t compare conference but everyone wanted to say oh Clemsons defense is elite they only gave up 10 points a game this year.. that worked out well for those people didn’t it? Lol
Funny how people kept bringing up ole miss and vandy and no one ever brought up the North Carolina game against clemson.
meow literally everyone brought up North Carolina. What are you talking about?
@@shazel3108 I didnt hear it as much as "ole miss and vandy"
meow every single person that wasn’t a Clemson fan brought it up all year long. Were you in a cave
@@shazel3108 That talk pretty much went dead radio silence by week 8 or 9 ... and by the ACC championship, NOBODY brought it up. I think the point was that it was not in the discussion relevant to the title game vs LSU
Honestly I think that Trevor Lawrence simply found himself in totally foreign territory when Clemson ended up in a significant hole. He has never really faced adversity. The ACC has been underwhelming for a couple of years and he has rarely been challenged in conference play. In the playoffs last year both Notre Dame and Alabama had major issues on defense and he was able to exploit it. This year however they struggled mightily with Ohio State and required some questionable officiating and miserable redzone play by the Buckeyes in order to secure a win. If Ohio State came away with TDs rather than field goals they win that game by a large margin. LSU fell behind early but they simply remained calm, made the necessary adjustments, and then played their brand of football. Once the tables were turned Lawrence was clearly not comfortable with playing from behind against an equal or better opponent and it showed. When faced with some major adversity he became rattled and started playing like he was desperate just to complete a pass. And Joe Burrow is just a cold blooded assassin with so many weapons that Clemson's defense was shell shocked to the point that he just had to decide which wide open receiver to throw to.
Clemson just got out played last night congrats LSU.
They got outplayed on 12/28, but the SEC refs were in their pocket.
@@lvbuckeye Sure, sure, kid.
@@lvbuckeye yeah yeah😏
@@lvbuckeye 😆😆😆 Clemson didn't even have a TD thrown in the game. Only rushing TDs. Caitlyn Jenner, I mean Lawrence was inept at the throws all because of the LSU Defense. 😆😆😆😆
More like bullied
Thank You Joe Burrow and the LSU Tigers
Does everyone remember when all those other "Analysts" said the Clemson/OSU game was the "Defacto National Championship"??
I was saying it was the runner up game.
I'm pretty sure that these two guys said that as well.
Yeah I tried to tell people different but they had already crowned one of those two national champions lol
I said that. I was wrong.
no
For SEC homers. You guys sure know your football. Congrats on calling Clemson on they bluff. We'll be back. Good content all year fellas.
You'll be back for sure. Not sure you ever left, just ran into a historically great team in LSU.
@@CollegeFootballNerds The thing that I sit here and think about really is that nobody even most Clemson fans if we're being honest, expected us to be back in the title game a year after losing our whole D line. So, to me LSU earned the win and Ohio state fans can go cry in a corner somewhere. I've already seen so many pile on to the LSU bandwagon because they want revenge on the big bad Clemson. We will be back next year, better than we were this year. Go Tigers!
I hated how everyone really thought the blow out of Oklahoma was really a fluke and focused on that leading up to this game....it was;nt. LSU Offense were that potent this year.
Clemson will be slammed with sanctions, WATCH. They’ll also be stripped of at least one title. You don’t come from nowhere in a crap conference like Clemson did, without breaking rules, again, JUST WATCH
Rewatching this analysis is even better the second time around. Football Nerds predictions and summaries are legit! Good work fellas keep it up and the masses will catch on soon enough. And Geaux Tigers!
Lawrence said it himself while speaking to Kirk Herbstreit: LSUs defense looked faster than OSUs defense. LSU is not as good at tackling as OSU... but it’s harder to hit a home run play on LSU bcz they as a group tend to get to you sooner than other teams would.
Lamar Stevens that is spot on. I think OSU defense was probably better as a whole but LSU man for man is faster on defense than OSU and we all know speed kills. I think that showed up in this game and Clemson struggled on offense bc of it.
He was throwing high all night. Lawrence played like crap and he knows it.
I don't know Lamar. It seemed to me that Etienne broke a lot more tackles vs, OSU than against LSU...
@@strangedays871 exactly
Love your show!! Awesome analysis again!! Geaux Tigers!
Great show guys! Didn't find you yall until the Bama/LSU game, but I've been watching ever since. Looking forward to the off-season content and the 2020 season! Again, you guys a great! Roll Tide!
LSU defense was peaking at the end of the season and played their best in the NC. LSU offense & Burrow was just on another level compared to Clemson's. Congrats to the real tiger that is LSU.
I think our thoughts on Trevor are similar. He is a good QB with elite talent but he is not an elite QB/passer yet. Crazy expectations typically hurt any player.
Everyone saying he's already the number one pick in next year's draft is just being a prisoner of the moment following his 2018 performance. He has alot of room to grow and develop as a player.
@@TheTimadin couldn't have said it better!
Timadin just like how we were told before the 2019 season how Herbert is the obvious #1 pick.
In 2020, when TL no longer has:
4 senior OL guys
both receivers
Etienne
I think it will be seen that TL is a guy who without all that game breaking elite talent at all skill positions nor those 4 senior O linemen he will degrade in value again. I disagree with the high ceiling comment. I think TL has a very high floor. Much like Herbert.
Trevor Laurence lost money last night.
Did y’all notice how Dabo was selling so hard the idea that TL is extraordinary and won’t lose for a long time again. Me thinks Dabo was selling a bit too hard.
I think an apt comparison for TL is Cam Newton.
Big fast dynamic runner who while he has a cannon isn’t as accurate as many think. He is Cam Newton with better talent at WR and RB.
He is elite but LSU Defense Clamped down and force him to be erratic with his throws ,,Arranda adjusted his Guys and put them in the right spots to make plays.
People leave out the fact that LSU scored Soo fast all year that our Defense wasn't off the field long in most games we were scoring in 3or4 plays and Defense was back on the field.
Thats a lame excuse. Our old 3 runs and punt offense gave our defense roughly the same amount of sideline time
No, other teams got trash TDS and yardage, due to being so far ahead.
LSU would have killed OSU too
Great analysis and discussion as always. I was hoping for a little closer second half...
LSU lit the entire league on fire. Beat EVERYONE! 7 top ten wins.
Congrats to LSU fans, LSU was definitely the better team last night.
Classy post
they were the better team all season., but I get what you're saying.
Excellent work guys! Looking forward to the offseason. Geaux tigers!!!!
LSU players were used to facing top-notch athletes every week. Clemson was used to facing second tier talent every week until the OSU game.
My pre-game prediction was LSU 42 - Clemmie 27. The reason I rooted for LSU in the Natty was because of the arrogant disrespect I heard from the Clemson fans after they beat OSU. Confidence and Bragging Rights, I understand, but they (many of them, not all of them) were rude and often filthy-mouthed about it. Congrats to LSU on a huge victory.
Great video man keep it up Geaux Tigers
HEY GUYS. DIE HARD LSU FAN HERE. FIRST TIME LISTEN TO U GUYS. I'M STILL SOAKING UP ALL THE HYPE FROM THIS YEARS TEAM. LOVE GOING BACK AND LISTING TO ALL THE NAY SAYERS ABOUT THIS CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. Y'ALL HAVE PUT THE BEST REACTION ON THIS GAME OF ANYONE I HAVE HEARD. I TO WAS SAYING ALL ALONG CLEMSON HAD A SCHEDULE THAT WOULD MAKE ANY GOOD TEAM LOOK GREAT. SOME ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT GREAT TL IS, AND HE IS GOOD. BUT HE DOES NOT RANK IN JB"S LEAGUE. I HAVE WATCHED SO MANY REPLAYS OF LSU AND HAVE BEEN JUST AMASED AT JUST HOW WELL JOE THROWS THE FB.JUST LOOK AT WHERE THOSE GUYS CAUGHT THOSE BALLS. I MEAN I COULD HAVE MADE THOSE CATCHES. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TEAM THAT WAS SO ABOUT BEING A TEAM AND AN INDIVIDUAL. THEY DONE THIS WITH CLASS. THANK YOU.
LSU Defense Man pretty much limited Clemson's Offense and forced them to do things they're not used to. Trevor hurried his throws and was way off constantly you dont see that happened hardly every. Props to my LSU Tigahs.
Excellent break down
Oh, how I hate when you pick against my team and are right ... another great video though guys excited for the offseason content
Love the channel guys.
You guys were spot on. It was about personnel matchups, NOT stats. The only common opponent was TAMU, and I thought it was ancient history for Clemson since it was game 2. However, the point differential by LSU (50-7) and Clemson (24-10) vs TAMU was always in the back of my mind during the game. LSU damn near hung 50 on Clemson.
I predicted 45-28 so I was pretty damn close 😂
FTB Gaming damn close😂, i had 47-34 lol
Maaaaaaan...what LSU did this year was just...wow.
Lawrence showed me that he has a long way to go to be a complete QB that should, as a result, maximize his chances of being a solid professional QB. That said, he's still young and learning. Not his fault, but the overall lack of elite defensive competition he has faced, and likely will face next year (though I think the ACC should be improved next year) is going to make his transition to the pros a bumpy one. I'm not hating on the guy. He has top-of-the-charts physical ability, is a hard worker, and appears to be smart. But he does have a lot to work on to be worth the overall #1 slot he'll likely get drafted in in 2021.
I do think Clemson's murdering of their entire easy schedule actually hurt Clemson come playoff time.
I think T Law lost money these playoffs
@@CollegeFootballNerds Not really. They did the same last year and played great. They had a bad night, simple as that. You can't win them all.
I think that Lawrence will become an even better QB BECAUSE of this loss. Failure is the hardest teacher, but it can also be the best one.
H0tthedd generally, QBs either have accuracy or they don’t. Some can improve with coaching, but it’s a safe bet the T Law already receives really good coaching. He’s just not that accurate, as they guys mentioned in the video.
Could LSU have scored 50 on Clemson in that game had they needed to y’all asked ???
I think it would be pretty safe to say that LSU could’ve hung 70 plus on Clemson in that game had they wanted too !!!
LSU literally made Clemson lay down and quit even trying to compete in that game from late in the 3rd quarter until the end of the game. LSU dropped a TD pass, missed a FG, kneeled down on the ball at Clemson’s 2 yard line, alone with just coasting on offense the entire 4th quarter just trying to burn the clock. There’s no doubt in my mind that LSU could’ve made the score real ugly in that game had they honestly wanted too !!!
Geaux Tigers
Lawrence showed some cracks last night. He missed way too many throws a #1 pick is expected to make. Better work on throwing into tighter windows and upgrade his footwork in offseason.
jlive1975 Yeah I agree. He’s a competitor so I expect him to work hard in the offseason to fix those issues. Joe Burrow was clearly more poised and more refined last night. I think if Lawrence could declare for the draft this year Burrow would be picked ahead of him. That’s not an opinion I held before this game. I still think Lawrence is a better natural talent but Burrow is clearly the more NFL ready prospect at this moment in time.
Lawrence is an amazing physical QB, but his football IQ seems still a bit green and he doesn’t do well under pressure. If Clemson has more real challengers in the regular season he might be better under pressure. It’s hard to get up from a punch in the mouth and keep your cool if you haven’t been in many real fights. It’s just the other side of the coin from the effect of their conference schedule.
Kyle Summers totally agree. He has been bigger and badder than everybody his whole life.
I think T Law is like Cam Newton. Big fast dynamic runner with a cannon who isn’t quite as accurate as you think.
Cam Newton with better weapons.
Still can be worth the #1 pick, but I think T Law lost money last night.
Banned By Wonkette yeah, I agree, his stock did go down, but he has next year to recover that. I’m interested to see how he grows.
@@kylesummers256 He won a national championship as a freshman. Burrow took five years to develop. Give him a break. He played like crap one game.
628 yards to 394,,,, total fucking domination.
I know it's pointless, but this game just makes me wonder what a healthy OSU would have looked like against LSU. I still think LSU would have won, but it would have been a lower scoring, one possession game.
As an OSU fan I would love to see our D against LSU, but the reality is that it was LSUs year....they deserve it
@@mikereeves282 Our corners would be able to slow them down better, but LSU just had too many offensive weapons.
I doubt it’s a one score game honestly. You gotta remember LSU was two plays away from winning 52-25 and we kneeled the ball on the goal line to end it.
Def would’ve been closer but I personally don’t see it being that close.
@@INoticeTooMuch1 You're not wrong. At the same time, OSU had the potential to just blow Clemson completely out were it not for a hampered justin fields (rpo in the redzone was our bread and butter all season), dumb mistakes (running into the kicker and dobbins basically dropping two free touchdowns), and the fumble return for a td called back. That's why in my comment I said a healthy OSU. That would have been a game to remember, with LSU defense stepping up as they did and those freak athletes at WR and TE.
First quarter and a half Clemson made LSU look very human. It was like Ohio State in reverse.
DucksDeLucks only because the average starting field position was at the 10yrd line .
Clemson’s defense benefited early from great punting and BV effectively bringing pressure up the middle while taking away check downs. One of the differences I see in Burrow compared to Tua is that Burrow is less instinctive than Tua is. Burrow is more process oriented play to play. So he usually won’t throw the Int when he gets hurried... but he will take the sack.
The punting was great. They put LSU on the 10 or further back for like three in a row. The first time they hit the ball to far and had a touchback they got creamed.
Risia Moonfall after Clemson scored a TD then it was on. Lol 😂
That game made me think if Clemson was in the SEC West they would have not made Playoffs. And with the ACC so down Expect Clemson to continue being in Playoffs for the next 2 to 3 years.
Especially given their 2021 schedule is the ACC slate, plus these 4 OOC games: S Carolina State, Wyoming, Uconn, South Carolina. Woof. At some point, I do wonder if even going undefeated in the ACC ends up being heavily scrutinized like an undefeated G5 team and Clemson misses the playoffs.
@@CollegeFootballNerds just saw that and at least next year they have to travel to Notre Dame. But yes 2021 OCC is a joke. Worse than Alabama 2019 OOC Schedule.
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Think the same thing could be said about Oklahoma. Granted their loss doesn’t look as bad after what LSU did last night, but they’d be lucky to finish 3rd in the SEC West. Until somebody steps up in the Big XII to dethrone Oklahoma, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them continue to make the playoffs for the next 3-4 years, at least.
Levar Young how ironic to see Clemson fan complaining about bad calls...
LSUs defense is much more susceptible to being ground through long drives first down after first down with a powerful RB and accurate and or effective running QB.
Styles make fights. OSU would have been a scarier offense for LSU to deal with bcz OSU would have stayed on schedule more often. Clemson is explosive offensively but they stop themselves for you sometimes and LSU just doesn’t do that on offense. You have to stop LSU or they will score over and over again.
I thought Clemson running game was doing well but they did not commit to it
OSU would still have lost...LSU to strong, when it's your year nothing anyone else can do
Can we have an OSU vs LSU fantasy matchup for the natty in the next video now that the season is over? :)
When ever Clemson was afforded the time to get an exotic blitz called in it tended to work. But when LSUs tempo set in exotic blitzes went away and the ferocity of the pass rush calmed. Tempo and Joe Burrow pocket presence is the real Joe Moore award winner.
Really only because LSU kept running empty or that stupid bunch formation. But empty hurt Clemson as much as it helped their blitz packages. I think it was a tradeoff LSU was willing to make.
@@CollegeFootballNerds agreed. The bunch wasnt working. Still don't see why Lsu didn't run more, especially once they had the lead. Really kept Clemson in the game.
Man. I agree. I was saying all night that LSU needed to play more tempo. Also, when they didn't play tempo, they needed to keep CEH back in protection. Hey, it all worked out, but really stressed me out for most of the game.
1) We are the Real Tigers and the ONLY Death Valley and it’s in LA. 2) Who you play matters and when you beat >4 teams who are in the top 10 on the CFB Nerd/AP/CFP rankings means you are good. 3) Argument for the greatest team of all time. This Team would have beat Clemson 2018... period.
LSU will return to being bamas bitch next year.....qb had the greatest season ever....cant count on that year in, year out lol.....ever heard of outliers in statistics
Osu fan here. I agree completely. And I wish so badly osu could’ve gone the distance themselves. Legendary team for LSU. Has to be a top 7 all time team. I felt osu was too but now they have nothing to show for it.
Dontae Thornton
THATS FINE BUT WE AINT CLEMSON BITCH!!!
Dontae Thornton
2-0 vs CLEMSON IN NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES
Dontae Thornton and Clemson well remain kitty cats and LSU’s bitch. 2-0 national title games to LSU, 3-1 overall you are dismissed troll.
If perspective carries into the next season, Clemson should have this weigh just as heavily against them as Alabama did this year. When you play a schedule like they did and then get handled, that conversation should take place for the committee. You can’t say one year, “Well Alabama didn’t get challenged and when they did they weren’t that good” and then the EXACT same thing happen to Clemson this year. Dabo always says no one respects Clemson or they are viewed like the other top programs are. When you win a title, win 29 in a row and tell the whole country we are the best, you have to take the criticism as well. They play a terrible schedule and it’s even easier in 2020 somehow and when they played a better team they showed they just beat up on bad teams.
I think it is fair to note that LSU took a mercy knee inside the ten to end the game. So the score is also misleading.
tanner muse got his ankles snapped into 45 pieces
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Fun show. I enjoyed it. If you like entertaining suggestions, I think it would help to find a way to segregate stats that are meaningful and stats that are not representative of the team.
Josh Pate hates stats but admits some cannot be ignored, but he calls the only stats that matter as "padlock stats." Meaning I thought Late Kick was definitely taking an earlier opinion that LSU's defensive performances versus their potential and finally executing up to their potential - were not aligned, and he was seeing it much earlier.
Maybe adding in position matchups, skill analysis, trends are things that could help. Because it is true, some stats seem to hold up until they don't.
Trevor Lawrence's performance was impeded by the defensive play of LSU. He had success in the previous championship game because his receivers were catching a high number of poorly thrown balls, that were caught partially because they got lucky and partially due to Bama's defenders not making plays. But Lawrence got pressure in this game forcing him to release early and never really in my mind was an accurate passer the begin with. The media hyped him up.
Some statistics simply never play out. Over the course of this year, I knew that watching Clemson games and individual players or their front seven on defense in the ACC was padding their numbers.
While I knew LSU's problems at defense were not systemic, but rather a matter of not focusing, in other words repairable. AND it does matter who you play and how tough competition helps over the course of a season.
Burrow gas a professional mind in that whatever defensive scheme he sees, he finds the vacated space or zone to exploit.
And something needs to be said just how good an offensive line is when you can go completely empty without needing extra chip blockers in like a TE, FB, or a tailback.
The defense therefore was playing catch up to the offense. That's what I saw. But I almost unsubscribed from a couple of sites because they would try to use a stupid argument like Auburn lost by three and lost four games so watch how bad LSU' defense will do against Clemson, OR look at how bad they played against Ole Miss.
You guys kind of chastised me following the Bama game saying Stingley was put of his league when the truth was he was just susceptible to making freshman mistakes. With time he improved greatly.
Something is wrong with stats on paper versus the development of a team up to their potential.
Quarantine driven insomnia brought me back to this from last year. The wrap up to the National Championship game, between LSU and Clemson.... is an Alabama should have been in the playoff Stan. That's the most CFNerds thing ever. Unreal.
Not sure where you got that. Neither of us think a 2 loss Alabama team had any business in the playoffs. Alabama without Tua and all those defenders out would have lost to any team in the playoffs other than Oklahoma. Might have even lost to OU.
The performance of LSUs defense in the ole miss and vandy game was blown way out of proportion. You guys might have been on the bandwagon, I was driving the damn thing!
I think so many people overlooked the fact that LSU's defense was banged up with injuries midway through the season when those games happened. Once they got healthy, they were a much better defense towards the end of the year.
Talmanes that’s what I said a lot since the SEC championship! Everybody said our defense probably wouldn’t pull through (especially against Oklahoma), and I told them to look at injury reports from past games and the performance overall in those games. 600+ yards, but few touchdowns to compensate. They can throw all the yards they want, it’s if we can stop them from scoring that counts. Only game that truly scares me the whole season was Alabama, because they are legendary status. And we won in a shoot out. No defense required.
I knew it was trouble when LSU scored at the half. Clemson defense showed up but they couldnt be expected to keep it up w/o extended drives on offense
They was used to playing soft competition. Clemson wouldnt have made it in the SEC
@@Liquidsteel3 Lord Finebaum said they would have run the table with LSU's schedule
@@kylez9094 almost losing to UNC in regular season. Playing back to back. High level competition tough
The point at 11:40 was the most important bit of info relative to why they stopped going to Etienne. LSU shut him down outside of the long 29 yd gain. Clemson panicked and put the game in Lawrence's hand and he just showed terrible technique similar to a scared Eli Manning when pressure is on him.
The score in your description is wrong. It was 42-25.
The score was similar to the Florida game but the Florida game was much closer. Trask played much better than Lawrence. Lawrence is only good when his receivers catch all those 50/50 balls he throws. Gators were the only team to have the lead with LSU in the second half. Clemson grossly overrated. Florida Georgia bama and Auburn could have been playoff teams if they had Clemson’s schedule
Ikr... I was screaming at the tv saying run the ball LSU!!! It almost seems like they were saving #22 for the 4th quarter. Which worked out, but I just feel like our pass game could have been more efficient with a better run game in the first 3 quarters.
If Nick says no great teams on schedule, what do you think happens?
Congrats LSU, you were the better team and deserved to win. I think our defense played well enough to win this game, our offense just never got rolling. Trevor missed a lot of throws, and Tony Elliot did a piss poor job adjusting to that. Our offense just never seems consistent, it seems like we rely on way too many low percentage pass plays. Venables dialed up such a good defense this year, especially with some of the roster limitations, then to see our offense, which has so much talent underperform, is disappointing. I cant help but think a better OC would put together a much more productive offense. Give LSU all the credit, it would have been really tough for Clemson to win. But if Clemson's offense was better, this could have been closer
Identical Yards Per Play differential as the Alabama vs Clemson game last year.
Yards Per Play
2019: Clemson (7.7) vs Alabama (6.1) = 1.6
2020: LSU (7.7) vs Clemson (6.1) = 1.6
Yards Per Rush
2019: Clemson (4.4) vs Bama (4.0) = 0.4
2020: Clemson (5.7) vs LSU (5.2) = 0.6
Yards Per Pass
2019: Clemson (10.8) vs Bama (8.2) = 2.7
2020: LSU (9.4) vs Clemson (6.3) = 3.1
This is a seriously good stat. I may use it at some point.
Feel free. I think it goes a long way in showing that the perception of the results of two different games are very different than what the stats would tell you.
Possession Success
2019
Alabama: 10 possessions - 2 TD/1 FG (30%)
Clemson: 10 possessions - 5 TD/1 FG (60%)
2020
Clemson: 14 possessions - 3 TD/1 FG (28%)
LSU: 15 possessions - 6 TD/0 FG (40%)
*I did not count the drive before the end of the first half in both years. Both were inconsequential.
Of course you would’ve loved for us to run the ball more but we were having so much success passing the ball why should we run?
@collegefootballnerds what’s wrong with your podcasts?
We missed one podcast (the national championship preview) but the review (this video) is available on podcast
College Football Nerds that’s not what I was trying to ask. Every time I try and pull up one of your podcasts it says it’s unavailable
@@TheGabling Android or iOS?
College Football Nerds iOS
The touchdown that was call back should have been a no call they were all over each other. They will let you get away with some of this stuff and big games,but you cannot redirect a receiver (turn his body) running his route. That's why the interception was called back
You cannot redirect a defender, use his jersey as leverage, send him falling to the ground, to get yourself open either.
@@CollegeFootballNerds yeah I was watching on ESPN and the announcers were saying the opi was a bad call, I yelled that the reciever did the same damn thing that Fulton (I believe) did when he got a dpi
Give Tee his TD. Take away LSU's score at the end of the drive where CEH was out of bounds on his sideline catch. LSU still wins! LSU beat Clemson, the refs didn't beat Clemson.
Clemson been pushing off and catching for years. Finally someone called it
@@mikefields6461 Clemson always push off and catch
Terrell got beat up, it looked like burrows could just throw it deep to Chase anytime he wanted and it would be a touchdown. Even though they are the same height it looked like chase was 3-4 inches taller. Why play man to man coverage against the best wide receiver in the league? Lawrence had a bad game. The guy is 20 yrs, old Burrows is 23. Give Lawrence another 3 years to work on his game and lets see what sort of player he can become. Just look how much Burrows improved from last season to this season.
any more questions about Jugular Joe Burrow's win of the Heisman ? poised and polished, a man among boys .... with long hair !
Tigas D was a bad scheme to start with , we need two groups of big boys on the line all the time staying rested, get back to that you get back to LSU defense
I think my biggest disagreement is about Clemson defense being a paper tiger I think their defense got enough stops I think the offensive Clemson not driving the ball having too many problems and kept turning it back over to LSU was the problem you can't keep giving an offense like that that many chances because they will get the upper hand on your defense doesn't matter who it is you named another defense in the country that would have done better against LSU last night and I don't want to hear Auburn because if Auburn were to line up against LSU last night it probably would have been worse
PAPER TIGER!!!! WE SCORED 42 ON THE #1 DEFENSE!!! YOUR OFFENSE WAS CAPABLE OF SCORING ENOUGH WE MADE LAWRENCE LOOK LIKE A JV QUARTERBACK
@@lorddavis2157 what the hell are you talking about dude ????? Thats what I just said...... Let me re state it for you... These guys in the video said that clemsons defense must have been a Paper Tiger... That means that on paper "Talking about statistics" Clemsons defense looked really good but in reality they sucked...I disagreed with them... i thought if Clemsons offense didnt suck so bad that the defensive side would have been much better....Because Clemson got enough stops.. LSU only scored 7 in 3rd quarter and 7 in 4th quarter ....Trevor Lawrence played shitty.... He was off Target all night...didnt mean to use all those big words and confuse you...and I see you use the word we... What position did you play???
Clemson's defense is really good. Just not as good as the stats made it look. Not their fault their schedule was so weak.
joe burrow is 6'4 and T V is 6'6..... does 2 inches make that much of a difference at that hight???
Trevor Lawrence will be fine..he indeed had a bad night...LSU was just gonna win the game regardless.. our best corner gave up huge 2 big touchdowns..no excuse for that! You’ll see the difference next year with our defensive line..it’s all good see ya at the natty✌🏽😎 #CLEMSON
Florida state and Miami have to get their crap together! I am curious to watch NC the next few years. The ACC league is down and it shows when Clemson has to fight and claw out a win. They were able to against OSU but 2 games like that in a row was a bit much for them. Plus they faced one of the 5 best football teams of all time...possibly the best.
Bryon Scheffel They didn’t actually beat OSU, the refs gave that game to them.
Agreed
I was dead wrong about how many times LSU was going to punt the ball. LSU D was in Trevors head
When did Justin Sudeikis start analyzing football?
Is Justin Sudeikis, Jason's little brother?
Would you really like to play Alabama and LSU and Tennessee every year? Perhaps you’d like to line up with auburn and Florida and Mississippi State like LSU does every year.
Burrow had a lower pass completion % bc receivers were uncharacteristically dropping balls they usually catch. He maybe had 5-7 bad passes. The rest were drops.
Jimbeaux Slice 13 overthrows
All Clemson numbers are exaggerated because of their competition. Is what it is.
spidaman0112
I AGREE, ALL SCHEDULES ARE NOT WEIGHED THE SAME
Trevor is going to come back more hungry than ever. Don't be surprised if Clemson is right back in the national championship next year.
Look at there schedule..
I live in Texas. Lots of people were saying OU didn't belong in the playoffs.
There's a difference between "won't win in the playoffs" which a lot of people thought about Oklahoma and "unfair that they're there and shouldn't be allowed to be there"
Clearly even without Tua Bama was the #4th best team.
Clearly? really? you mean the same Bama that lost to Auburn? that Bama? there is nothing clear about them being the 4th best team. What does that even mean anyway? Yay!! Alabama is the 3rd loser!!!
Lsu the truth.hats off to clemson but nobody was gonna stop them this yr
Except Ohio State....
@@ohiostsupremesuperdynasty7326 Ohio state was beat by Clemson who in turn got blown out by LSU
In all fairness to Clemson, Ohio St, Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, or anyone else...THIS LSU TEAM WAS HISTORICALLY GREAT AND WAS NOT LOSING TO ANYONE. There are probably only a handful of teams in history that would have been able to hang with this team. It happens. Prime example: Clemson finished the season with the nation's number one defense. But LSU made minced meat out of them just like they did everyone else with the exception of Auburn and Georgia. So to Clemson fans who think that the SEC is overrated, explain how LSU was able to take a knee and basically mercy rule your team but yet Georgia and Auburn's defenses actually looked fairly decent against THE TIGERS. This inferiority complex that certain fan bases have is getting tired. Check the NFL rosters and check the National Championship winners over the last twenty years. Those two criteria clearly illustrate why the SEC is clearly on another level.
Ranked teams matter... If what you are saying is true. What is the incentive to play a tough schedule?
Playing good teams 100% matters. But when discussing the top elite teams, saying "Alabama didn't beat any teams like Indiana or Cincy" really just doesn't matter. Alabama would have murdered those teams. They just didn't have any on their schedule. So saying they should absolutely be out after losing a tight one to LSU is crazy.
@@CollegeFootballNerds I agree to that. My point on incentive is and I believe it is hard to justify this "elite" status based solely on "how" you play because "how" you play is based on the competition you face. To say Clemson is elite by destroying high school teams is not right. Now, the only proof they have to be considered "elite" is a close game to Ohio State. I think both Ohio State and Clemson would have lost 1 to 2 is SEC islf they are consistently being beat up like LSU, Bama.
@@CollegeFootballNerds the loss to LSU didn't keep Bama out, the loss to Auburn did. Do you think Oklahoma gets the 4 seed if Bama beats Auburn?
@@H0tthedd That's not what we're debating. We're talking about the many many people who demanded that the LSU loss disqualify them. Right after Bama lost that game, droves of people came out saying it should be a disqualifier "if you don't win your division you shouldn't be in the playoffs."
The Auburn game, relative to this specific talking point, is really immaterial. And honestly given the injury situation at the end of the year, I'm not sure we felt Alabama was a playoff team - even had they beaten Auburn.
What we bristle at is the notion that if you lose by 5 points to the best team in the country, it should disqualify you from the playoffs because "you can't win your division" or "you didn't beat a handful of OK teams with a 8-9 win record"
@@CollegeFootballNerds Very good way of explaining the LSU/Auburn debate.
About what we were talking about, I kind of look at it from a military perspective. Would you have confidence in a military division that is battle tested, or a fresh group of men with the same training, but haven't seen combat. That was Clemson's downfall. I suppose my point on incentive is, what's to stop Bama or Uga or anyone good in the SEC to change over to the ACC if your gonna cruze right into the playoffs every year by simply blowing the socks off 11 teams.
That is what everyone is looking at when they see Clemson. A fresh team without injury because they played nobody not to mention some of the best recruiting year in and year out.
Then you have the eye test. By now, the "eye test" has completely lost its validity proven by 5 years of CFP blowouts. Not all but many. Clemson had the eye test but no proof that they could win the big one. Maybe all this is screwed up because LSU would have made anyone look silly. Haha who knows.
Burrow wasn’t on as much as he has been but we had a bunch of drops in this game especially compared to how good they have been catching the ball all season
given two weeks of no action and clemson Defense being pretty good it was expected that they would have a drop or two.
jerry robinson oh yeah definitely.. still the greatest qb season ever imo
Sleep WeaselR55
WE HAD BETTER DB’S THAN ALABAMA DID LAST YEAR
Please cover the XFL??
Posting this on all my favorite videos... Clemson didn’t put up 30 against any good team. Osu, A&M, and LSU, all under 30. Clemson offense was fraudulent. It’s easy to look elite in the ACC.
This is actually a really good point. At some point the data talks and the narrative is formed by actual results.
We could've put up 30.
Easy to hit home runs on the teeball field
@@leeption1able did you?
@@murdergiraffe19 sure didn't but it wasn't anything LSU's defense did
Dabo ranting about not getting respect might not be enough to get them invited to the playoffs next year. Do what the SEC does and put some good teams on your schedule. LSU is not scared they start the year against top teams almost every year.
Clemson got exposed, every single position group was out played. If Fields was healthy in the semifinal game the result of that game would have been similar to this. The committee needs to reevaluate the ACC and take into account how bad it is as a whole. Congrats to LSU, enjoy the win!
OSU lost because of a long list of issues.
this is dumb. Clemson played in the same weak ACC last year and obliterated Alabama. They lost a game. They were not "exposed" they lost to a better team. LSU did to Clemson what they did to everyone else they played. This was just their year. Has nothing to do with Clemson as a program moving forward no matter how trash the ACC is
Fields missed on all of his most important throws.
I don't think any team could have beaten this LSU team last night in the Louisiana (Mercedes-Benz) Superdome. That being said, OSU should have been in that game. GEAUX TIGAHS.
@@alexmontoya9603 Fields not being able to run severely hampered Ohio State's offense. It would be like if Jalen hurts couldn't scramble...the offense is built around that! If you run the read option all year then can't run it in your most important game of course it's going to play a major role.
I'm just here to show my "face" so to speak, so you all know I'm not ducking. I was at the game, and other than a hand full of a-hole LSU students that seem to think angrily yelling and mocking at me and my friend was more fun than enjoying the win, I had a great time. The LSU fans on Bourbon St were a lot of fun to hang and drink with.
Clemson is likely to be back next year, so I wasn't discouraged, just disappointed.
LSU, Good for you and enjoy it. You can rub it in Bama's face, too.
I do think we see CLemson in the playoffs next year as well
I was all in until the Alabama comments about if they played 10 teams that were 9-3 they would have won them all........WELL HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN AUBURN
All of LSU DB made more of an impact than chase young but none of them are heisman finalists. Bullshit cuz anyone can pass rush Maryland and Rutgers😂😂😂
Clemson lost because their offensive coach staff is far inferior. If TL et al just played spontaneously like a pick up game, they would have done better. Seriously, 2 yard passes to Etienne behind the line of scrimmage and repeated runs up the gut by a guy who needs space and daylight????
Clemson play calling in the 2nd half was not good....Trevor was sub par, but play calling was also.........
I almost predicted the score! I said 42-31
Makes you wonder how this game would of turned out if the actual 2 best teams in college football would have played last night.
Just blurt it out ....what would Ohio State have done???....pretty much the same or worse outcome.give it a rest.ohio State already has its national title this century
Also, you guys are taking cheap shots at Clemson trying to dismiss what Clemson did last year. They have been consistently great for years now. Get over your bias.
Clemson is playing low level competition. Pull your head out your ass.
Your rant about Alabama & UGA not controlling their schedule is literally the argument Clemson made about theirs. But, you talked disparagingly on Clemson when you made that point. That’s a little biased...
Biggest reason why people thought clemsons was elite because of the schedule/conference they play in...do a side by side comparison of lsu and clemsons 2019 schedule and its a complete joke
that loss was the best thing that could happen to Lawrence.....kid is going to be ready come next season....anyone who thinks Clemson wont be right back in the playoffs next year on dope
There are 10 or so teams if playing the same schedule would also be undefeated so of course they will be back
Yea they will be back next year because they play basically the same shitty schedule
Impossible to assess who's the "real Clemson" 2018 or 2019. Too much turnover, CFB is always lightening in a bottle type of thing.
"LSU played a lot of cup cakes" at 5:55. This guy can't be serious.
"A lot of good teams, but also a lot of cupcakes." And the point was that LSU had a number of bad defenses to beat up and pad per/game stats - which usually means season averages are artificially high. But we were discussing that Clemson barely held them below averages anyway, so either 1) Clemson's D was overrated or 2) LSU was so good the opponent didn't matter. Really think you missed the point of this discussion.
Looks like Clemson didn't get the refs on their side this game like they did Ohio State 😂😂
I'm an LSU fan and think OSU should have been in that game.
@Ryan Randone oh yeah also would have kept lsu in the 30s at least, probably would have scored more as well, cause clemson was kind over hyped and I really didnt see that wow factor to them everyone else would see
As an osu fan I think fields had a bad game. And I’ll never get over that loss ever. The offense was great, but the defense was just downright amazing. So idk if they can ever get better
@@Paul-vb4mn yea ok....Let's go back to the BCS system and get rid of the playoffs..... You idiot!!!! Why dont you try an add something intelligent to the conversation???
That game is beyond moot, LSU clear champ, congrats