Interview with Senior Rust Developer in 2023

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  • @miloszivkovic6256
    @miloszivkovic6256 ปีที่แล้ว +6096

    "There are 5 games written in rust and 50 game engines" I am dying

    • @ghit2494
      @ghit2494 ปีที่แล้ว +161

      me too its too true

    • @Ztaticify
      @Ztaticify ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I felt that one

    • @kirillgimranov4943
      @kirillgimranov4943 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      that's so funny since only I have created more than 5 games in a pure Rust
      Seems like I'm the only creator of those 5 games the author mentioned

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh goodness, I can't stop laughing :D

    • @meanmole3212
      @meanmole3212 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      The best quote. My honest advice for people serious about Rust game devoplement: Forget about the engine solutions. They are unfinished and untested in large scale commercial productions. You will hit a wall easier as the needs of your game grow compared to Unreal / Unity.
      Instead, setup your own wgpu rendering and Rapier physics (if you need physics). There's nothing wrong in studying the engine solutions' specific parts such as bevy's skeletal animations, just keep the full control to yourself. It's more work and effort, but maybe if you are aiming for quick commercial game release, Rust is not the best language to develop with at the moment.

  • @poochy661
    @poochy661 ปีที่แล้ว +2728

    The unsafe macro being called trust_me had me dying

    • @terminallyonline5296
      @terminallyonline5296 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      5 games and 50 engines had me dying.

    • @shweddedglowy
      @shweddedglowy ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Haha, yeah, I was gonna say “you can’t spell trust without Rust.”

    • @CubbyBear-cn5kh
      @CubbyBear-cn5kh ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I'm just picturing an unsafe macro called trust_me_bro throwing yeets

    • @thedeemon
      @thedeemon ปีที่แล้ว +5

      In Idris there is a function believe_me : a -> b

  • @datadrivendev
    @datadrivendev ปีที่แล้ว +1211

    When I know nothing about a Programming language, I come to this channel to get a proper Introduction

    • @amanda.collaud
      @amanda.collaud ปีที่แล้ว +10

      bad idea !

    • @AvidLearner11
      @AvidLearner11 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Brilliant

    • @sinekonata
      @sinekonata ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Gotta say it piqued my interest about Rust and it confirmed my intuitions about C#

    • @Yupppi
      @Yupppi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Actually really good take. If you learn the biggest pitfalls and struggles and think you can tolerate them, I don't think you're gonna mind the rest of the languages.

    • @leogama3422
      @leogama3422 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      so accurate

  • @Turalcar
    @Turalcar ปีที่แล้ว +896

    "I'm not here to tell you that Rust is the best language. You should've figured by now"

  • @rodrigoserafim8834
    @rodrigoserafim8834 ปีที่แล้ว +1009

    "Throw all advantages from all languages, together. Now your code is unreadable. But it is safe."
    That should be the slogan for Rust.

    • @samuelec
      @samuelec 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So true

    • @CleanCereals
      @CleanCereals 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ah man that made me actually laugh haha

    • @einargs
      @einargs 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Let's be fair -- they avoided the messes of inheritance. Or ml modules. And they don't have higher kinded types (well, they have GATs which let you do the same thing).

    • @spaghettiking653
      @spaghettiking653 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@einargs Why would higher-kinded types be bad?

    • @RitoriqPrinciples
      @RitoriqPrinciples 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Who else needs to read this?" 🙂

  • @Dominik3332
    @Dominik3332 ปีที่แล้ว +1438

    "In Javascript you have to worry about memory because of Javascript" 🤣

    • @christopherdixon4472
      @christopherdixon4472 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      That one got me too

    • @blazehawkins2759
      @blazehawkins2759 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Javascript - I love it!

    • @Madar2252
      @Madar2252 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@blazehawkins2759 I wouldn't recommend it

    • @sudiproy4413
      @sudiproy4413 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@Madar2252 why? wait lemme guess. Because you use RUST to write wasm? 😂

    • @nopalfi1409
      @nopalfi1409 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@sudiproy4413 it's a reference from a video Interview with Senior JS Developer from this channel in case you didn't get the joke. Well, actually i wouldn't recommend it either

  • @_djukka
    @_djukka ปีที่แล้ว +1820

    "And which part did you write in Rust? The frontend or the backend?" *visible confusion* "No the browser!" 😂

  • @JJ-rn9zl
    @JJ-rn9zl ปีที่แล้ว +1643

    "In rust we are all geniuses" what a wonderful quote

    • @leshommesdupilly
      @leshommesdupilly ปีที่แล้ว +30

      …yet, they cannot handle a single pointer

    • @godnyx117
      @godnyx117 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      A wonderful yet a big lie.

    • @uwuLegacy
      @uwuLegacy ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@leshommesdupillyC devs obviously can’t handle them either considering rust exists in the first place

    • @lime8738
      @lime8738 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leshommesdupilly ?

    • @leshommesdupilly
      @leshommesdupilly ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@uwuLegacy *the c devs that finally switch to rust

  • @kaikalii
    @kaikalii ปีที่แล้ว +250

    "So Iced is the best one?"
    "It's the most complete one."
    This is some of the most niche humor I've ever had the pleasure to be in on.

  • @zahash1045
    @zahash1045 ปีที่แล้ว +1945

    Rust developers trying to rewrite their failing marriage in rust

    • @yt-1337
      @yt-1337 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      everybody knows it's failing cause of this damn memory management xD

    • @Primius80
      @Primius80 ปีที่แล้ว +213

      Why marry if you could just borrow instead?

    • @AnthonyDentinger
      @AnthonyDentinger ปีที่แล้ว +52

      They must be lacking tRust

    • @dmitriidemenev5258
      @dmitriidemenev5258 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      I tried it but for some reason my gf is not very happy about using the borrowing model for our relationships.

    • @rotteegher39
      @rotteegher39 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      yeet

  • @GreenFox1505
    @GreenFox1505 ปีที่แล้ว +999

    It's incredible to me how well you "get" the languages you parody. Like, it's clear you understand the inner culture and the most complex concepts of these languages.

    • @ninocraft1
      @ninocraft1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      ye, wouldn't be half as good if it were jus surface level jokes

    • @shaunpatrick8345
      @shaunpatrick8345 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      He even got the hair right.

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yall clueless deluxe. We are not like this. The Rust language is winning anyway 🦀

  • @barrettkepler7618
    @barrettkepler7618 ปีที่แล้ว +757

    I think that "Premieres in 10 days" is an allegory for how long rust build might take sometimes

    • @tanveerhasan2382
      @tanveerhasan2382 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      _Very allegorical_

    • @jimrustles4773
      @jimrustles4773 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@tanveerhasan2382 the sacred and the propane

    • @MantasJurkuvenas
      @MantasJurkuvenas ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thredripper

    • @TheMohawkNinja
      @TheMohawkNinja ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jeeez, is it just that unoptimized at the moment or what?

    • @dennieh7360
      @dennieh7360 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TheMohawkNinja llvm optimisation pipeline for release builds takes ages and then for incremental builds the long part is always gonna be the linking step (you can substitute a better linker depending on platform, e.g. mold for linux) because most linkers we have are archaic monstrosities that dont parallelise well and that doesnt play nice with the deluge of object files rustc will spit out for incremental builds

  • @debasishraychawdhuri
    @debasishraychawdhuri ปีที่แล้ว +962

    "Is this the timer for the coffee?"
    "No I just finished compiling" LMAO

    • @arizona_iced_out_boy
      @arizona_iced_out_boy ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Honestly facts. I sometimes see rust analyzer spend 2 minutes trying to compile the entire repo and itll sometimes shit on PROC MACRO NOT FOUND. ALSO L LOSER I DONT KNOW WHAT THIS "SeRdE SeRiaLize and DeSerIaLizE" IS. Re run it. Teehee, i made an ooosie, ur code is fine don'r hate me uwu

    • @dawidd6356
      @dawidd6356 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@arizona_iced_out_boy Dont worry i spend 5 min compiling my java android application and spring boot services EACH

    • @debasishraychawdhuri
      @debasishraychawdhuri ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@arizona_iced_out_boy the rust-analyzer compiles for a full hour compiling the substrate repo.

    • @joech1065
      @joech1065 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I don't get that meme, because if you use a powerful enough machine compile times in Rust are not a problem. Even if the crate takes longer than you want to compile, you can just split it into smaller crates.
      Moreover, I have a project where both Rust and JS ecosystem is used, and producing a JS bundle takes like 10x more time than it takes to generate the WASM bundle part of it.

    • @yairmorgenstern416
      @yairmorgenstern416 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Meanwhile in Python, the time saved by not compiling is paid in runtime and bug hunts 😢

  • @matthewdee6023
    @matthewdee6023 ปีที่แล้ว +594

    For those not getting the "write an operating system in three weeks" reference, Ken Thompson wrote the initial version of Unix in three weeks.
    One week for the kernel.
    One week for the file-system.
    One week for the shell.
    In assembly.

    • @masterchief1520
      @masterchief1520 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Could you share any resources regarding that? I wanna take a look how feasible that is even for a prototype

    • @ericconnor8419
      @ericconnor8419 ปีที่แล้ว +207

      Not bad, but Terry Davis wrote one that could talk to God in 10 years.

    • @link99912
      @link99912 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      @@ericconnor8419 Lol, this is perfect satire of any video comment section regarding Temple OS.

    • @capncoolio
      @capncoolio ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Ken and Dennis were fucking legends though

    • @terraneaux
      @terraneaux ปีที่แล้ว +18

      They don't make 'em like that anymore.

  • @omdxp
    @omdxp ปีที่แล้ว +722

    "I have a macro for unsafe, it's called 'trust me'" 🤣 gets me every time

    • @yt-1337
      @yt-1337 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      trust_me!

    • @medilies
      @medilies ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dz XD

    • @Morimea
      @Morimea 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      first what I had to do when tried Rust first time - is force unsafe because else multithreading communication with external hardware wont work
      so funny xD

    • @thegoldenatlas753
      @thegoldenatlas753 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Morimea Yea? External hardware is inherently unsafe.

    • @Morimea
      @Morimea 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thegoldenatlas753 then what the point of Rust?
      Entire modern programming is - communicating with multiple devices in multiple threads and sync data.

  • @ZoltanTemesvari_temy
    @ZoltanTemesvari_temy ปีที่แล้ว +263

    “I let my threads panic…for pleasure” 😂

  • @khatdubell
    @khatdubell ปีที่แล้ว +312

    "now your code is unreadable, but its memory safe"

    • @principleshipcoleoid8095
      @principleshipcoleoid8095 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tbf, wrap all of it in macros and it'll become more readable.

    • @khatdubell
      @khatdubell ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@principleshipcoleoid8095 Someone at work actually does this.
      A macro for checking error results
      A macro for defining const values
      etc...
      I hate it.

    • @Jonas-Seiler
      @Jonas-Seiler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@principleshipcoleoid8095 now you have to also know what weird magic the macro does

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@khatdubellis it memory safe tho?

  • @jameskim7565
    @jameskim7565 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    - And which part did you write in Rust? The frontend or the backend?
    - "No the browser"

  • @profdc9501
    @profdc9501 ปีที่แล้ว +330

    I love the idea of a Rust compiler that tasers you when you make a mistake. That will teach you quickly!

    • @UnabashedOops
      @UnabashedOops ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Ded in 3 minutes

    • @blackmarvolo
      @blackmarvolo ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It wouldn't be too difficult to adapt cargo-vibe to do this...

    • @Deschutron
      @Deschutron ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/YvhlOtQAU0A/w-d-xo.html

    • @kaii-lb
      @kaii-lb ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@blackmarvolo wheres the blteplug crate, but instead of sex toys you control a taser over bluetooth

  • @zzzzzzz8473
    @zzzzzzz8473 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    " after a well managed , well-mannered discussion , that will make everyone unhappy "
    " im fully oxidized at this point "
    incredible video , such great specific examples

    • @JMurph2015
      @JMurph2015 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We're on the same page that the "yeet" reference was about the "await" keyword discussion, right?

    • @olivierfaure5896
      @olivierfaure5896 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@JMurph2015 Nah, it was about *another* flamewar about what we should call the keyword for early-returning inside try-blocks, IIRC. Eventually the lang team decided "You know what, fuck it, let's call it the "yeet" keyword until we have a working implementation, that'll stop the bikeshedding". So now "yeet 64" is a valid Rust statement in nightly.

  • @kristianmitk4976
    @kristianmitk4976 ปีที่แล้ว +398

    Damn, this wig for a Rust engineer already got me.

    • @gestaltengine6369
      @gestaltengine6369 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Complements his blue eyes nicely

    • @lmaoiwaslikelmao1132
      @lmaoiwaslikelmao1132 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@gestaltengine6369 Facts it's the first thing I noticed and I like women

    • @blackmarvolo
      @blackmarvolo ปีที่แล้ว +13

      No programming gloves though

    • @heartache5742
      @heartache5742 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      now i can't unsee it
      why is he so attractive with it

    • @armynyus9123
      @armynyus9123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@heartache5742 Looks like Brad Pit with it. Crazy.

  • @MasterSergius
    @MasterSergius ปีที่แล้ว +299

    We need "Interview with UI/UX designer"

    • @yacinehechmi6012
      @yacinehechmi6012 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      that would be interesting

    • @coldestbeer
      @coldestbeer ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Ligma

    • @mastershooter64
      @mastershooter64 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@coldestbeer Ligma mama! got em!

    • @charlieking7600
      @charlieking7600 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Especially that one who constantly makes subtle changes in browser logotype.
      Separate one with GNOME designer (I personally hate them and would be glad to see satire about GNOME approach).

    • @NoNameAtAll2
      @NoNameAtAll2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      those are two different people
      and UX people are screeming at everything UI ""design"" people come up with

  • @dorquemadagaming3938
    @dorquemadagaming3938 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    "Disadvantages? Rust thinks you can't keep object lifetimes in your head" - brilliant!🤣

  • @jm-alan
    @jm-alan ปีที่แล้ว +368

    We've come full circle from "we need to see the compiler as the enemy" to "we need to see the compiler as our friend"

    • @sumofat4994
      @sumofat4994 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      most languages compilers are your friend rust compiler is your frenemy

    • @rusi6219
      @rusi6219 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A good compiler is your friend and so is a good debugger

  • @michaelvanstraten4390
    @michaelvanstraten4390 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    I am so hyped, i will sleep for the next 14 days straight.

    • @Adityarm.08
      @Adityarm.08 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      😂😂😂

    • @Traisas
      @Traisas 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol

  • @nibiruimagineering
    @nibiruimagineering ปีที่แล้ว +144

    "Lots of jobs for us, most are for startups to do some blockchain stuff.. and then go bankrupt" life is always on the razors edge when you are a Rust dev

  • @OmarKhirat
    @OmarKhirat ปีที่แล้ว +290

    This guy is secretly an immortal senior engineer who has seen it all and that's just his scream for help😂

  • @toddbeets
    @toddbeets ปีที่แล้ว +101

    "I am fully oxidized by now." Brilliant, thank you.

  • @aaaaanh
    @aaaaanh ปีที่แล้ว +127

    Should’ve donned a fabulous moustache and a hoodie and a pair of AKG headphones for a complete package

  • @fyasla
    @fyasla ปีที่แล้ว +201

    9:45 of Rust love and not saying "Blazingly fast" once is a performance

    • @henrycgs
      @henrycgs ปีที่แล้ว +3

      rust is blazingly typed

    • @PimpofChaos
      @PimpofChaos ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I shit you not, my old software manager, when comparing Rust and C compilation times, told us that "C's compilation is blazingly fast". That phrase stuck with me and now I feel like he was making an inner joke while trashing Rust in some aspect.

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@PimpofChaosC is blazingly fast in segfaults and 0days LOL

  • @MyAmazingUsername
    @MyAmazingUsername ปีที่แล้ว +31

    "I'm not here to tell you that Rust is the best language....... [silence]... you should have figured that out by now." 💘💘

  • @jrhutch4283
    @jrhutch4283 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Dude, your videos are so good. Please do one for golang, and kubernetes!

    • @The_Ballo
      @The_Ballo ปีที่แล้ว +6

      golang devs have negative personality, though

    • @BrotherCheng
      @BrotherCheng ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I need a Kubernetes one! I have some PTSD from it.

    • @yavuz425
      @yavuz425 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      so much down the rabbithole, we need a devops one, azure one etc.

    • @camillelouedoc3799
      @camillelouedoc3799 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Kubernetes one would definitely kill me. I dream in YAML.

  • @talhaakram
    @talhaakram ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I have seen this 3 time. It is so well done, very high effort. Great job! Their are so many extremely funny jokes and the delivery is executed so well.

    • @theplaymakerno1
      @theplaymakerno1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is one of his best videos. The Emacs one wasn't too funny!

  • @DS-nv2ni
    @DS-nv2ni ปีที่แล้ว +70

    This is gold, every Rust developer should watch this as soon as they start thinking about learning Rust.

    • @nexus7c0
      @nexus7c0 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Existence of Rust developers who have not yet started thinking about learning Rust is a testament to the power of the Rust language and its compiler.

    • @ollicron7397
      @ollicron7397 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Theres like three youtubers I know that are criminally spreading their rust cultism.

    • @acertainnemesis
      @acertainnemesis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ollicron7397I assume Mr No Boilerplate is a senior member?

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Video needs to be deleted

  • @zdzichukalafior8287
    @zdzichukalafior8287 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    We need one of these for sys admins. With just the right amount of passive aggresiveness towards users.

    • @elviskahoro
      @elviskahoro ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +1

    • @RicardoRebelo99
      @RicardoRebelo99 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      And active aggressivness towards devs. Lile kill -9 prod applications because of memory spikes

  • @johnychinese
    @johnychinese ปีที่แล้ว +320

    Tom is a genius

  • @1e1001
    @1e1001 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    "5 games and 50 game engines" so true (and i'm making one of them :)

    • @tui3264
      @tui3264 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      literally everyone are either making game engine or GUI library in Rust

    • @diadetediotedio6918
      @diadetediotedio6918 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@@tui3264
      To be fair, this is also true for all the programming languages, the number of games you have is usually half the the number of game engines people tried to make and failed hahahahaha

    • @tui3264
      @tui3264 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@diadetediotedio6918 yeah it is easy to learn Graphics api by making game engine :p

    • @armynyus9123
      @armynyus9123 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tui3264 right, when we are too stupid to dig into an existing api some of us tend to do that.

    • @aoeu256
      @aoeu256 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@diadetediotedio6918 I think its hard to build game engines in JS, so people only make games in it?

  • @SiddharthAgrawal-u2l
    @SiddharthAgrawal-u2l ปีที่แล้ว +97

    "testing in rust is easier... because we're all geniuses"
    I am still laughing 😂

    • @olivierfaure5896
      @olivierfaure5896 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not *not* true, though.

    • @agrawal97siddharth
      @agrawal97siddharth 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠​⁠@@olivierfaure5896😂

  • @riffrff
    @riffrff ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "I'm currently rewriting the color blue in rust" had me literally burst out in laughter

  • @UnabashedOops
    @UnabashedOops ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Waiting till July 1 is about like waiting till my Rust code finishes compiling.

    • @skyline00069
      @skyline00069 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did it finish by now?

    • @UnabashedOops
      @UnabashedOops ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ETA tomorrow

    • @arthurion
      @arthurion ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@UnabashedOops next life

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Very funny nerds 🤓 as if Cpp does not compile as slow LOL

  • @elviskahoro
    @elviskahoro ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The speed at which this became one of my favorite channels is unparalleled.

  • @TheLetsComment
    @TheLetsComment ปีที่แล้ว +157

    "Not every dev learns Rust in a *lifetime* "

    • @frankiet-h992
      @frankiet-h992 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      😅 For real, the funniest line, apart from I joined a couple of start ups in this month or I wanted to compile my personality into a crate... actually too many lool

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Skill issue tbh

  • @NishantSingh-zx3cd
    @NishantSingh-zx3cd ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Petition to rewrite this interview in rust

    • @flaksoft8003
      @flaksoft8003 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      To rewrite rust... in rust

    • @shaunpatrick8345
      @shaunpatrick8345 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@flaksoft8003they already did that. The first version of the compiler was written in OCaml.

  • @KirillFrolov77
    @KirillFrolov77 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is just impossibly good! :-))
    I have about 30 years experience with programming, I started when Pascal was still big, so I know a think or two about the languages.
    So I tried Rust, picked just a simple hobby project (a curtain controller logic) and after two weeks I just couldn't finish it. Than I freaked out and returned to C++ and was done within a couple of evenings. Rust's learning curve is just... too much.
    Although a bunch of ideas are interesting.

  • @victoryfile
    @victoryfile ปีที่แล้ว +29

    The accent, the hair, the light, the words, everything is perfect.

  • @saycheeseordie4458
    @saycheeseordie4458 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    "I let my threads panic. For pleasure."
    Found myself writing a lot of multithreaded Rust recently. I was ROFL for like 10 minutes after these lines.

  • @metatronicx
    @metatronicx ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Would be interesting ...
    We need interview with a Labview developper too

  • @jordangl1
    @jordangl1 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Looking forward to Primeagen's reaction

  • @roblesrt
    @roblesrt ปีที่แล้ว +38

    He appears like a cool young version of Brad Pitt oxidized into coding Rust.

  • @spokesperson_usa
    @spokesperson_usa ปีที่แล้ว +109

    As a Rust fanatic, this is hilarious, on point af.

    • @nootnoot42
      @nootnoot42 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could you explain what he means by memory leaks happen but it will never be referenced again? As in does it keep on allocating more, or is everthing a const, regenerated upon altering?

    • @4xelchess905
      @4xelchess905 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nootnoot42 The Cult defines memory safety as the absence of undefined behaviours, such as data race, double free, dereferencing memory not/no longer allocated...
      A memory leak, a concept independent of Rust, is when you ask memory from the OS, but then forget about it without de-allocating it. One way to phrase that it is lost is that it's memory which won't be referenced again. As such, it is not unsafe per se. It keeps on allocating more. You can have leaks of constant size if there's not in a loop, but you cannot "alter" leaked data, that's the thing, the OS reserves it for you, and you no longer know where it is.
      Memory leak is a big deal when comparing memory models of different languages, and the absence of leak is a big selling point of garbage collecting over reference counting and manual management. What is funny about that is that the cult sounds like it's a non issue since it is not memory safety per se. The truth however, is that Rust is a huge upgrade from C/C++ when it come to avoiding leakage, since you can't cause them without using smart pointer or explicitly leaking potentially in combination with unsafe mode.

    • @thomson765
      @thomson765 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@nootnoot42create a reference counting pointer a, create reference counting pointer b pointing to a, modify a to point to b: references will never reach zero so destructors will never be called and memory will never be freed, even if main completes.
      This behaviour is why .forget() is considered safe; rust memory safety does not guarantee no memory leakage (as proven by the first example). forget() takes ownership of a value and makes it impossible to re-reference, but does not call the destructor. An explicit leak.

    • @nootnoot42
      @nootnoot42 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thomson765 Thank you

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not a real fanatic! Video needs to be removed!!

  • @gkail6980
    @gkail6980 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    - Yeah, but nobody knows Haskell. We're all looking to learn Rust
    - Come back after you've learned Haskell
    coming to Rust from Haskell, I confirm that this really helps

  • @vijaysinghbisht3016
    @vijaysinghbisht3016 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    ".. well mannered, well managed discussion which will make everyone equally unhappy " 🤣🤣

  • @adhalianna
    @adhalianna ปีที่แล้ว +28

    That must have taken quite some prep work! So much of that feels like inside info that I am tempted to say the guy must have done at least some programming in Rust. Also, the blue wig matches the eyes so well 💙😆

  • @varcel4625
    @varcel4625 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    6:55 "No, I just finished compiling", had me dying 😂

  • @ericbwertz
    @ericbwertz ปีที่แล้ว +170

    Please invite a non-developer developer to the desk and have them (any of the genders) discuss why MATLAB is the greatest and most expensive language in existence. If you could present the pros and cons in a 1x1 matrix, that would be especially helpful.

    • @satyajeetjena6758
      @satyajeetjena6758 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shut up Hanque!

    • @nolanfaught6974
      @nolanfaught6974 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I have a coworker that unironically believes MATLAB is the best language

    • @SoftBreadSoft
      @SoftBreadSoft ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The MATLAB language is public domain. The MATLAB program is proprietary. Programming languages can't be copyrighted or licensed, they are all 100% public domain.

    • @CodaRyu
      @CodaRyu ปีที่แล้ว +1

      *proceeds to interview an enby*

    • @SoftBreadSoft
      @SoftBreadSoft ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@techtutorvideos The language itself and its specifications is public domain, the name/branding is not. You can't copyright any form of language, including programming languages. Please just google it. There are even open source implementations of it and every other "proprietary" programming language.

  • @malcolmw513
    @malcolmw513 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Ah yes! Famed automobile pioneer and systems programmer Harrison Ford.

    • @Traisas
      @Traisas 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol

  • @alexanderdiogenes8067
    @alexanderdiogenes8067 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    "There are currently five games written in Rust. There are also fifty game engines written in Rust" Oh maaaan, I feel seen lol

  • @yds6268
    @yds6268 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    5 games and 50 game engines - true, but making a game engine is so much more fun

    • @sasas845
      @sasas845 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That situtation is actually sensible and interesting. Graphics APIs (OpenGL, Vulkan, Direct3D,...) have the following challanges: 1) things are checked at runtime and *only* at runtime 2) exhaustive testing is impractical (you need the combinations of all physical GPUs and all drivers) 3) the API has a lot of variability (different implemented featuresets, different API versions,...). All in all, this is a hot mess for graphics & gamel developers. If some technology were to tame this (and prevent lots of grey hair for game developers), this would probably be worth billions and billions of dollars. Personally, I'm not sure that graphics APIs can be tamed with Rust without constraining the API functionality too much (there is just too much variety there...). TOTOH if these projects actually succeed, it would prove Rust to be a tool of truly monstrous powers...

    • @meanmole3212
      @meanmole3212 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@sasas845 That's exactly the reason why wgpu exists, and it is beautiful.

    • @marcossidoruk8033
      @marcossidoruk8033 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@sasas845 using Rust for game/gane engine development is painful.

    • @SimonBuchanNz
      @SimonBuchanNz ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@marcossidoruk8033using any language for game or game engine development is always *eventually* painful, when you get big enough to actually run up against the hardware. Using Rust is making the assumption that the average to peak suckage will be lower than other languages.
      You probably are thinking more about the scripting side, but you can host a runtime, including new Rust-flavored scripting languages if you want that hot loading experience.

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@marcossidoruk8033big skill issue

  • @genins21
    @genins21 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Interview with an Ops Engineer (DB, Network, Infra etc) would be amazing

  • @Y2B123
    @Y2B123 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    It sure takes a while to compile.

  • @wearegettingdumber...2263
    @wearegettingdumber...2263 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    LOL, "Come back after you learn Haskell..normie." That is hilirious!

  • @clickrush
    @clickrush ปีที่แล้ว +28

    “Is it time for the coffee?” - “No I just finished compiling.” LOL

  • @Madbird95
    @Madbird95 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    “There are currently 5 games written in rust, and 50 engines.” 😂

  • @lassamaria
    @lassamaria 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I keep rewatching this throughout my Rust learning journey. Bravo 👏

  • @daveice20
    @daveice20 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    went for the Rust Dev look, but ended up with the Gorillaz lead singer look

  • @hotpil7020
    @hotpil7020 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I would love to see an interview with a LaTeX enthusiast! I am sure that would be very entertaining since LaTeX is definitely much more efficient than all that MS Office nonsense.

    • @jamesnomos8472
      @jamesnomos8472 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have written plenty of LaTeX, and lemme tell you - every time I have some incomprehensible error I can't find and need to go to stack exchange for the 12th time that hour, I despair that it's still infinitely better than MS Office for maths.

  • @remsee1608
    @remsee1608 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    "In JavaScript you worry about JavaScript" thats why its the best

    • @yt-1337
      @yt-1337 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "...worst" here FTFY

  • @EldorJ10
    @EldorJ10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    2:48 - "There are currently 5 games written in rust, and 50 game engines" HAHAHAHA

  • @sortof3337
    @sortof3337 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Love how he looks tired like evey other rust developer.

    • @8o86
      @8o86 ปีที่แล้ว

      it's because he's stoned

  • @runvnc208
    @runvnc208 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He mentioned gluon at the end. I didn't know about it. Looks amazing actually.

  • @MechMK1
    @MechMK1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "The compiler is your friend" - I see someone has been watching No Boilerplate

  • @heartache5742
    @heartache5742 ปีที่แล้ว +183

    fifteen days? are you serious

    • @vesk4000
      @vesk4000 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Yeah, what? Who puts videos on for premiere 15 days in advance?

    • @JohnnyWednesday
      @JohnnyWednesday ปีที่แล้ว +72

      @@vesk4000 - I hope he changes it to 30 days now.

    • @pehur00
      @pehur00 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      ​@@vesk4000rust developers

    • @arnesl929
      @arnesl929 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      It is part of the Joke

    • @davidc.890
      @davidc.890 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      That's how long it takes to `cargo build --release`

  • @DantalionNl
    @DantalionNl ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It would be really nice if these videos would have references to all the tools and technologies being joked about. I would really like to learn about them

  • @etherweb6796
    @etherweb6796 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is one of the best videos, on par with the senior JS dev

  • @rallokkcaz
    @rallokkcaz ปีที่แล้ว +9

    OOF. This hit hard as a Rust dev, who also worked for a blockchain company that died lol.

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your own fault! Take the --> L

  • @JosephCodette
    @JosephCodette ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Can’t wait for primeagen’s reaction !

  • @andrewgr144
    @andrewgr144 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I laughed so hard at everything else he made fun of. This one hit too close to home, I smiled wryly at half of it, and winced at the other half. As always, superb job, though I think he's talented and funny enough that he can risk a bit more variation in the future.

    • @Soitisisit
      @Soitisisit ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I'm pretty sure it's the same for other videos tbh. The perl one felt especially on point with how it feels to encounter perl code anywhere in an open-source project.

    • @andrewgr144
      @andrewgr144 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Soitisisit Yeah, I kind of figured that it was just my turn. :)

    • @MestisoHapa
      @MestisoHapa ปีที่แล้ว

      I love rust, and I thought this was super hilarious. I died laughing at the trust_me macro, 'comeback after you learn haskell' or 'we didn't say it was a language for everybody, just for the elite'. I actually learned a bit of haskell/purescript a few years ago, so I know that haskellers respect rust and vice-versa (look at FPComplete). I can't wait for him to do one on mojo, once mojo hits a 1.0 release

    • @RustIsWinning
      @RustIsWinning 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I cnrged so hard at everything. Not funny.

  • @programmersarealsohuman5909
    @programmersarealsohuman5909  ปีที่แล้ว +106

    👔 Merch drop: posix.store
    🚀 Twitter: twitter.com/kailentit
    consider joining george hotz (unaffiliated) : tinygrad.org/

    • @incremental_failure
      @incremental_failure ปีที่แล้ว

      2 weeks wait maderfacka??

    • @dumdumdumdum8804
      @dumdumdumdum8804 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      getting confused with zig and rust.

    • @bartpelle3460
      @bartpelle3460 ปีที่แล้ว

      Props for repping George Su 💯

    • @mattymattffs
      @mattymattffs ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How is this comment 2w old but the video says 3d???

    • @bartpelle3460
      @bartpelle3460 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mattymattffs Rust lets you time travel.

  • @isocuda
    @isocuda ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm watching this now and then I'll watch the 36min version Netflix Prime will make.

  • @gigiopincio5006
    @gigiopincio5006 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "we compile the entire company at runtime"

  • @vagkalosynakis
    @vagkalosynakis ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Now that Lemmy is built in Rust and it's also caught in the middle on the Reddit Drama, I feel like it would provide a LOT of content for satire.
    I am sure your video is going to be as excellent as the rest!

  • @ar4hm4n
    @ar4hm4n ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Took it as a brithday gift. Thanks!

  • @KCrouch-t2o
    @KCrouch-t2o ปีที่แล้ว +23

    "...joinhandle goes out of scope... some think the task should be aborted. the others don't think at all" i am fucking dieing here

  • @olivierfaure5896
    @olivierfaure5896 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "When I see a C++ dev, all I see is a future Rust dev." Holy crap, I don't remember agreeing to be in this interview.

  • @TheRighteousDawn
    @TheRighteousDawn ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I honestly cannot wait for the Prime react to this one!

  • @almicc
    @almicc ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Please do one as a fresh computer science graduate who thinks the interview is actually for a job but realizes at the end that it was an unpaid internship

  • @calcs001
    @calcs001 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Solid! Missing the split keyboard tho 😅

  • @nicoburniske
    @nicoburniske ปีที่แล้ว +5

    this was amazing. Please make one for Haskell/Scala/Functional programmers

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's a lot of Haskell mentions in his emacs video - worth checking out

  • @metaphoricallyalive8109
    @metaphoricallyalive8109 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    5 games and 50 game engines
    Holy damn blimey!
    That went real hard

  • @GreySectoid
    @GreySectoid 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    -"Is it the timer for the coffee" -"No I just finished compiling..." xDD

  • @alkumhcounseling8634
    @alkumhcounseling8634 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've seen this in my queue as premiering soon for so long that I've wondered if that was the joke...

  • @fiddle_n
    @fiddle_n หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That Harrison Ford joke is pure gold.

  • @tiranobanderas5655
    @tiranobanderas5655 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    A premier that makes me wait for 2 weeks. Just as long as it takes to use "cargo build --release" to compile a rust hello world.
    You sure are taking the joke to the next level.

  • @Phronesis1037
    @Phronesis1037 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Whenever my urge to learn Rust presses, I come here to get a relief 😂

  • @johnelliott9823
    @johnelliott9823 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    "We do not talk about Java here" I'm dying lol

  • @caseynonduality
    @caseynonduality 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    SUBSCRIBER 4 LIFE! - Oh my god dude!!! You got something here. You are a talented comedian that just so happens to know about tech. Make this a Niche Bro if you're into it. You got talent and thanks for the laughs.

  • @MrAlanCristhian
    @MrAlanCristhian ปีที่แล้ว +20

    8:03 Cult... community, community 🤣

  • @joshuakerlin5988
    @joshuakerlin5988 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The front end or the back end?
    No the browser.
    I died

  • @asdf8asdf8asdf8asdf
    @asdf8asdf8asdf8asdf ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "my unsafe macro is named 'trust me'"😂😂😂

    • @learning_rust
      @learning_rust 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤣🤣🤣
      "The others don't really think at all"

  • @emilymatheys431
    @emilymatheys431 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am CRYING this is even better than I was expecting