Why your gpu crashing under load and how to fix it
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Love your warnings. Bringing some common sense back to the community :)
I try
Dude I know you recently lost your job but with your expertise and knowledge you should consider opening your own repair shop. With your reputation on TH-cam and a promising future of consumer electronics.... I don't think you'll have any problems getting business. Also your video editing, narration and general flow of your videos is top notch. Better than any tech repair I've seen. Keep up the good work. Also I am a miner and replaced some thermal pads on 30 series because memory was 100C+ under load. Better pads brought it to about 80C. But I also MEASURED the pads and used the right size for replacement 😂. Thank goodness people dont research so we have great content from you 😅
The amount of time it takes to do even a simple fix for pads is so much it's hard to justify opening business and not charge repair attempt fees and charge more for repair
@@northwestrepairto tag onto this, I'd open the business and charge the fees. The cost savings for the end user is worth the repair in most cases. Working on other consumer electronics is also a possibility as well to supplement things.
second option is to take the northridge way and sell me a flucking magic short killer at only 99.99 $ !
@@northwestrepair Thanks for the reply. I understand it is not easy and requires time in addition to risk. Just my opinion from the outside looking in, you know your shit. Not if but WHEN another GPU shortage hits, either because of a crypto or AI boom, people will pay what the GPU is worth to have it repaired. Not speculation, actually happened with the last mining boom. GPU's are becoming less luxury and more essential with corporations buying them and AI cloud computing right on the horizon. When there is a GPU shortage, there will also be a technician shortage.
@@renegade_patriot You forgot Covid. The whole world stayed inside their houses for close to 2 years. Tech companies over-hired and the big layoffs happened. Instead of opening a shop, Northwest should focus on TH-cam. Make more money that way and way less risks.
Nice touch offering a vastly discounted price for the owner mistake. Know those (please no names) that would have jumped on this with a full charge for a repair of an led. Good on ya. Reminds me why a jump on your vid’s first, that and your explosive humor.
He fix the cards as a meditation
And those who game never suspect
He does fix for the money he wins
He do deserve respect
The rare Sting lines. Well done.
Could someone translate this for me? I swear I spoke broken English when I was still a teen.
I saw many of your videos, and there is a BIG problem.
there are not enough to watch, they are too good. Keep up the good work! Your channel is literally taking off right now
I love your videos. I watch them while I eat. They help me get over the nausea (no pancreas) and your advice is always very intelligent and well-put. You are blunt and to-the-point. I learned more about repair from you than any other repairtuber I've watched during my meal times. Keep it real, you, your business, and your content are so worth it ❤️❤️❤️
I did not know that having no pancreas makes you nauseated while eating. That sucks man. Do you know why does that happen?
Being hyper critical of Radeon is certainly justified but that's not an uncommon hotspot delta for these cards. It's not like we don't see this sometimes on Nvidia too. Build quality is pretty hilarious but at least this was a fairly cheap option. Some of what's sold for $600+ these days is just unreal.
I have an XFX RX 480 8gb and it's still working after all these years. it has a metal backplate but no pads underneath probably to shield your fingers from burns when its running. I noticed that XFX GPUs always have the lowest price when on sale, I guess you get what you pay for even though current GPUs are way overpriced.
My XFX R9 380 also still runs perfectly
Thank you for another upload. These are nice to watch in the morning.
keep up the amazing work man , your humor is awesome too!
Thanks, will do!
Thought you were initially cracking a joke with that kill/no kill remark, but the switch actually was labelled with those words, had me laughing.
I never thought about why pad thickness mattered until now then it was like "oh, right" . lol. Thanks for the video!
your subscribers are doing Moore's law on steroids. climbing fast.... your going to be at a million in a year or two if you keep making videos as frequent as you are now..
i am trying
I admire your skills, we need more people like you 👊
xfx really stepped up there game for 6000 series go look at the teardown of the merc 319 6800-6900xt cards very well made and good thermals with very large heat sinks, so for anyone watching looking to get a modern amd card xfx is now way better i remember these 5000 series from xfx getting roasted by a lot of tech channels back when.
Well my old R9 380 from XFX still runs great and is pretty decent quality wise, so I guess they only made shitty 5000 series cards… but this channel seems to be kinda biased towards Nvidia…
@@Simoxs7 Yeah biased for sure all well , im still going to pick amd over a completely toxic anti consumer brand even gonna look at intel gpus next gen.
your channel is cool just found it recently, i think its gonna get super popular soon.
Damn did you mash the shit out of that one finger. Hope that heals up soon for you. Love your videos. Keep on keeping on
I'm still on your channel been binge-watching... this is like soothing for me
XFX is indeed on the cheaper side of the manufacturers. I had the opportunity to play with an older chip (HD 6850) from both XFX and Sapphire. XFX had a joke of a cooler, Sapphire had a good sized fin stack. XFX ran 7C hotter. Not enough to kill the GPU, but enough to warrant the cheaper cooler - at least to XFX.
XFX used to be good, but man oh man they have really gone down hill, and it started a long time ago too. I definitely don't trust them, but I think some of their cards are still good, just depends on the model. It's not good to blindly trust any brand, even the most reputable ones. It's always best to check independent reviews for the exact model of a graphics card before buying it.
Another great video. I loved the Nvidia XFX Cards. I had an XFX 7950GT in my first build. It was a great GPU.
3:32 the corners of the die were not fully covered, it's usually better to manually spread paste with gpus, delta with AMD cards is usually 17/20 degrees (C) under full load.
I used the "drop method' since I can remember. Always had nice spread of thermal paste. I always check even if this means I need to use double quantity of thermal paste. Spreading works for almost liquid thermal paste (like liquid metal). For normal paste, I put a drop, assemble the heat sink, disassemble, check, repaste then completely assemble.
I love your videos, I have no idea what you are doing but I am amazed by your expertise. You are quite possibly the smartest guy on TH-cam. Keep it up!
The owner of that GPU definitely is not watching excellent tech youtube channels like Gamers Nexus or even Hardware Unboxed. The thermal pads and cooler contact issues on that specific RX 5700 model from XFX, have both been exposed long time ago by these tech trusty outlets lol
Neither did I 😂
I really like your videos, not only you are a top-notch technician but you are also a nice person, at least that's the feeling I get from you.
for some reason you remind me of the lockpickinglawyer
i enjoy these very much
If masterlock starts making GPUs, we're in for a treat.
Definitely right about AMD cards running hot. I have an ASRock rx 66008gb and even with a super aggressive fan curve, temps can get to 80c+ in games with the added heat of the CPU.
My ASUS RX 6800 XT doesn't even get above 60c with 50% fan speed, but it's undervolted to 1030 mv.
@@iseeyou1312 That's a 6800xt and they have much beefier cooling than a 6600 non xt
Try using a good thermal paste that helped me a lot, my friend's card ( rx6600) was dropping frames when he played some intense games he gave it to me I changed the thermal paste I used mastergel maker from cooler master it dropped the temperature by 15°
@@yaniayache5132 I bought the card not long ago which is why I haven't yet, I shouldn't really need to. By the sound of it though they just come with crappy paste from the factory. The only paste I have was the stuff that came with my Dark rock pro 4 cooler. I reckon that would still be better though.
@@yaniayache5132 I couldn't help myself and did it. My god. It was the worst factory paste job i have ever seen, it's a wonder the thing wasn't crashing constantly (though it did sometimes).
I used to get up to 89c on the gpu hotspot before in games that hit the cpu and gpu hard. Now i haven't seen it go over 65c.
An honest man! You are an example to all of us in your business ethics. Thank you for sharing.
Very educational and entertaining channel! Thank you so much. Have you tried adding more VRAM to Nvidia rtx 3000 series gpu's? Or swapping the old VRAM with new ones with double the size?
lol that was me after putting a 1mm pad on an old rx 580 nitro+. it started crashing with crazy temps right away at the start of benching. turned out the pad was kinda stiff and won't squeeze thus the die didn't contact HSF. changed the pad to 0.5mm and everything ran great.
Well the stock pads on 580 nitro+ are 0.75mm but they are almost unobtanium. That's why you should research what thermal pads the card uses before you even open the card (or at least measure the old ones).
@@cryspin7 i did do my research which why i settled with 1mm at first expecting i could squeeze the 0.25mm difference. Just didn't expected the nonbranded pad i first bought to be as stiff as a plank lol. Bought a 0.5mm coolermaster pad afterward and it's pretty soft that maybe if i bought the CM's 1mm pad first I don't have to redo it
I bought the Gelid Extreme 1.0mm pads for my 580 Nitro+ as I learned that the Extreme is squishy enough not to cause a no contact issue. Just do NOT use the Ultimate 1.0 as it is way too hard and WILL cause a no contact, overheating issue! I actually haven't tried them yet as the card seemed to run fine yet and I temporarily put it in storage anyway for now. Funny how Sapphire recommends using 1.0mm pads if you can't find the .75mm ones...and who can...but they forget to mention to make sure that they are squishy enough to compress correctly!
@@arthurmann578 my guess is they're also using 1mm pad, but squeezable ones and not the stiff ones.
@@OcDmn The hard ones (sounds "dirty" ...LOL!) will prevent the core from making proper contact with the heatsink. You need the squishy ones to be able to compress enough so that the two make proper contact. I guess it is best to test it first by adding some thermal paste to the GPU, screwing it down properly, and then taking it all apart again to see if the paste got properly compressed. It does waste paste but it is WAY cheaper than needing to buy a new graphics card and you could always try it with a cheaper paste first, if you have it on hand, and THEN use the good stuff when you know it compresses properly.👍👍
Your videos and know how is top notch. I really enjoy them. Thanks for making them.
At first i saw the title i thought its the 1 week old video about a screw under a pad :) but then noticed the upload date and correlated :) - whats the blood on your hands - i dont suspect there are any dissapointed and raging customers with this level of service :)
that's crazy how did you accumulated so much knowledge to start with
Internet
@@northwestrepair awesome
From what i heard, the 5700XT XFX cards had some pretty poor coolers, + it may also be a lowend card, but i would love to see a disasample of something like a higher end 6800/6800XT/6950XT card, to see if XFX´s higher end cards are good or bad quality whise.
That sounds familiar. I think most of the 5700 XT cards had perfectly good coolers though. I definitely remember researching them when helping a friend to build a computer.
I remember that the Sapphire Pulse and Powercolor Red Dragon were both definitely good models, offering an excellent balance between price and quality, with the Pulse being probably the best version of the 5700 XT in terms of value per dollar, but with many other cards not far behind it. The cheapest Powercolor model was pretty crappy though. It's sad when the worst models are often only about 10 or 20 bucks cheaper, but significantly worse. However, prices can fluctuate a lot, so never assume that a more expensive card is actually better. Also, it's never good to blindly trust even the most reputable brands, and even the worst brands can sometimes make good versions of a card. Also, a model with a major flaw does sometimes get a revision which fixes the flaw.
It's always best to find a good review of the exact model of card, to verify if it's worth what it's priced at, before buying, if at all possible.
The Thicc III was the fix with triple fans and new coolers. It actually had the best performance of any card in the 5700XT line up.
Xfx rdna 2 line up are one the best , especially the 6800xt , see hardware unboxed review on it
i have xfx rx 5600 xt currently, and by this video, i would now monitor the temp for safety purposes. thanks to the reminders of yours @northwesrepair
The Chillest Card Fixer.
Those are the hands of someone who recently broke up a cat fight lol
Your sense of humour is magnificent
AMD cards have the hotspot probe on another location, thats why we see high temps.
if i ever need a card fix im going to send it to u. just from watching ur videos for some reason i feel like i could trust u
Cool
I bought a cheap msi 6700xt that had consistent crash at red dead redemption 2 benckmark, in swamp area, while the old 5700xt showed super stable for years. No instability in other games, glad it showed at all, ive returned it. Now running a rock solid 6800 but living in third world countries while trying to build and keep a decent gaming pc is a hazardous endeavour.
Inbetween repairs you could make some tutorials on how to properly re-apply thermal paste to GPUs, add some pads and clean the GPU safely.
navi 10 gpu's just always have high hotspot. Undervolting doesnt help either since amd cards aggressively push clocks up to the maximum power envelope or thermal envelope. Only way to save temperatures is louder fans or lower power limit. The 5600 XT cards also use navi 10 but they also typically have a much lower power enelope so hotspots always seem to be MUCH lower than their 5700[xt] counterparts.
Got a lot of video cards from mining to fix. Half of them had pads replaced in a DIY way and were too thick. Apart from being too thick pads were of very low quality. I even got a lot of cards with no thermal pads on memory at all. Unbelievably the cards were still in working condition even if each memory chip was brown in the middle.
I have Aorus 5700xt and in some games the hot spot peakes at 105C while the gpu temps are around 70C. Changed thermal pads over the years which reduced the temps by 10C on memory. It is said that this is normal and the card is still running after 4 years... Looking at your videos im not so sure..
this channel is going to get millions . im sure
The 5700XT Thicc II was replaced with the Thicc III. I own the Thicc III and the thermal issue was solved. I still do not think the Memory controller was up to par. The XFX 7900XTX is a really good card. They learned a big lesson on that Thicc II card.
Love your channel!
I had a similar problem ... in my case I got the thermal pads exactly the 1.5 mm misure, and by a hair distance they were not contacting, which means after few days it started smelling of burned plastic, and the air became quite toxic .... then I reshaped the thermal pads to be thicker, 2 mm, and this time the gpu was not contacting .... and only finally I managed to get the thermal pads right in between 1.5 and 2 mm, and get rid of that toxic smell ...
xD this is some funny editing right there :D
Love your vids!
I have exactly this gpu and i payed 100 bucks less then the rest of the 5700xt at launch so the build quality should be excused as it still runs fine
Hey Tony, how about making a review video about a comming/new graphic card PCB? - like "The only truth about MSI RTX 4060 Ti judged by an electronc technician"
I think some people are more interested in "what will happen" rather than "what has happened".
Sorry for my bad English, I'm a Japanese ^^;
Some dude at even said it wouldn't matter what size pad you put in a gpu because it'd just squish itself into place but he also told me the right size for the 1070 ti I was calling about i didn't listed to the first part of his advice i mentioned above because in my mind exactly what happened when he opened it the first time came to mind
next time, use a water sand paper, on the cooler where it makes contact with the core. Cooper oxidizes preety quickly. I had an old msi, that went from ~90º to 60 from that same scenario after making cooper "shiny" /clean again.
Love your content. Very interesting and watch you do this. Cheers😮😊😅
bruh that exposion made me jump up from my chair lol..
1337 editing skill, thumbs up👍
good content as always, I was wondering about your thoughts on sapphire GPUs
5700xt hotspot temperature is always high. I think it throttles around 110c.
Yup, AMD's official sources state that hotspot temps up to 110°C are normal, especially since these cards were built to fill up all the thermal and power headroom they can to squeeze out extra performance. I was concerned myself when I got my 5700XT, but some quick googling confirmed that it's rather typical
XFX is a good budget card brand.
I just replaced my thermal pads. Was very careful to make sure everything was perfect. Powered it on. Got artifacting and dead gpu. Nothing looks messed up so no idea what happened. Paste and pad contact was perfect. I guess just bad luck.
You must have twisted/bent the card while opening.
Solder joints cracked or pads ripped.
You now need either a reball or another memory chip
@@northwestrepair a bad memory chip will cause the GPU to not even spin the fans when you turn it on? Windows does not even detect the GPU. But the RBG works lol.
when I removed the cooler I simply removed the screws and pulled up on the PCB from the cooler. But I trust you know what your talking about. Is that something that is expensive to fix? Im trying to RMA it with Asus but I dont hold much faith they will fix it. Is that something you can fix? Thanks for the response.
Pads replacing seems small, but I will do that to the professional for sure.
PSA: always contact the manufacturer directly to ask about the correct thickness of thermal pads when performing a thermal pad replacement.
I was able to avoid this issue, except in my situation it was for the memory. I was cautious enough to do so when working on my older Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC to ask the manufacturer, even when the internet has numerous independant threads and sources stating it should be. Most referenced the EKWB manual for this card, which uses 0.5mm for the memory and 1.0mm for the VRM/MOSFET. But I was measuring a different thickness when I took the card apart; 1.0mm for both. After contacting Sapphire, they send me the Bill Of Materials (BOM) of this card, which states that ALL thermal pads are 1.0mm. This confirmed my finding of all of the factury pads on the card measuring 1.0mm.
manufacturers like to say "this is trade secret, we can't tell you" . asus is especially guilty of this.
@@UrokLizard True. Luckily, Sapphire tends to be quite helpful in my experiences. I guess EVGA will most likely be as well.
Is there a way to know the proper pad thickness without calipers? Does customer service have that info?
Absolutely mesmerizing watching you work on these cards. I cannot imagine the magnitude of experience you've accumulated over the years. If you don't mind me asking, how did you get into GPU repairs and where does one start to learn, that just finds the craftmanship interesting?
Those stock BIOSes don't really mean much if you custom undervolt all your GPUs anyway.
Hi,I have a question,for me game is crashing and I tried Unigine_Superposition-1.1 and crashing on 1080p Extreme preset,probably gpu diyng?
Can you make video on most well built graphics cards you fixed? Maybe the TH-cam classic, tier list.
A rare occasion where thicker is not better...
After viewing quite a few of your vids, I never get tired of watching real pros (like you, KrisFix.Germany, etc.) doing real pro work. Besides the electrical knowledge, the dexterity is astounding. Flipping a couple old jokes, in your case it actually is rocket science AND brain surgery! Expertly done good sir, expertly done!
Enjoyed.
great
I have a Zotac RTX 2070 Super Twin fan which has the same issues, gpu temps are decent but the memory and hotspot temps can get too hot too fast even after changing the thermal pads. This is so very frustrating.
Undervolt it with MSI Afterburner curve adjuster. Ez to do and effective.
thermal design isn't that great if thats the case. but then again, zotac is one of those brands that offer cheap cards so i don't think they'll do a good job at designing their cards anyway.
Zotac has terrible design choices in general, probably a terrible heatsink
There is nothing wrong with amd the problem may be that the cooler's cold plate may not be perfectly flat!
I know quite a few people who lap their coolers before installing them and can confirm I have seen temp drops of as much as 11C°!
If that is true, AMD could still slap their board partners for making their product look bad and ask them to improve on their manufacturing standards.
Shit cooler tolerances should not be a thing, if you need to lap your coldplate on a brand new product to get thermals under control you got scammed. Not to mention most manufacturers will void your warranty for taking the card apart and messing with components, so if it dies later because they also cheaped out on something else, you're out of luck.
@@Kr0noZ Well with the shit that Nvidia is putting out there I'd rather be scammed than give my hard earned money to them.
We pay for performance not looks!
I like how the xfx card looks cosmetically, but thanks to this video, would not consider it for an actual build
On xfx coils hum often too.
People say they're better nowadays, only beat by powercolor and saphire, idk how much of it is true
Hi! I'm quite new to your channel but I'm really enjoying going through your videos. I bearly understand most of it but find it all really interesting so thank you for posting it all 😊
I have a quick question about temps, which anyone can answer-
Hot spot and memory temperatures. I have a palit 3080 and when under load my GPU temp is about 63°c, hot spot is as 74°c and memory temperature is 80/82°c. Is this normal? I ask as I've been getting a lot of crashing recently. No artifacts, just blacks screen for a few second or a straight up crash. Thanks guys
That Hillary snippet 😂
Hitting the 50k subs. I think they helped you when you lost your job. Your 2 most viral videos are within the theme of "something killed this card"
Awesome video
Not all pads are created equal & SIZE MATTERS!
I’ve done that before. 1.5mm pads are too thick for the THICC III Ultra on the VRAM modules.
Awesome.
Never knew whats the difference between a SoC and A-SICs Cows especially cows aligned in a PoP - i only think that there are only more Vegetarians thanks to this acronyms :)
Sapphire FTW!!
Must say, Agree, XFX build quality is rather poor sadly (own an XFX card - not impressed), even on ther "top of the line" merc cards they couldnt bother to use a leaf spring retention mechanism, and just went the spring loaded screws, just sad. Good video btw.
If I open a card up for repasting I just try to save the original thermal pads so this isn’t an issue.
Dude that blast caught me😅😅😅 for a sec i thought you're dead😅
Boom thats the rgb connector...
I actully have the same ''issue'' on my Sapphire RX 5700.. on my stock cooler I have over 30c dif between hot spot and the regular gpu temp.. but I put the grapic card under water full block, not an issue any longer.
That said, the Navi gpu's is designed to pull as much heat they can, 110c on the hot spot is not a problem, says AMD.. but I don't like 110c stuff in my PC.
Anyhow.. I will always use water cooling for now on on my GPU's, full block.. good investment if you gonna have em 5+ years and OC'ed.
Nice job! Where about's in the world are you?
Hey Northewestrepair, Where can I find/buy the gigabyte test tool you use?
20 degree delta between hotspot and core is normal for 5700XT
Can't find my mx4, it's going to have to be my thermalright paste I've had for 10 years. The pads are dirty, but it's a 1080. Had a super glue back on one of the coils because I broke it off.
All the components have thermal epoxy on top of them I can't scrape off.
Maine plastic shroud over the aluminum heatsink has a 4 by 3 hole that I cut in it comedone going to need to electrical tape over
XFX is still around? I was a huge fanboy of their stuff up until about 2010-11. That's when they started to produce garbage and their warranty was worth shit.
XFX was premium GPU quality from what i remember. No wonder Nvidia does not want to partner with them.
@@northwestrepair I was very happy with the first few XFX GPUs, but then, like ASUS, they started making garbage and not standing behind their products.
There might be a higher percentage of sub-par AMD cards, but there's still lots of good quality ones, and it's not like there aren't a lot of poor quality Nvidia based cards as well. You can't just say "this is AMD in a nutshell" after pointing out the poor performance of this XFX card. I'm not a repair expert, but I do know that's an unfair over-generalization. That just completely discounts the fact that there are a lot of very good quality AMD cards out there.
According to O! Technology, RX 6800's are all somewhere between very good and excellent, and this is indicative of the 6800 XT cards which use the same coolers being quite good as well, though there may be some models that he didn't include in his tier list. I have seen very good reviews for a variety of AMD graphics cards, especially RX 5700 XTs back in the day. I did some research when helping to find one for a friend, and was surprised to learn that Powercolor's Red Dragon model was apparently quite good (Gamer's Nexus is a good source). One good thing about that Red Dragon card was also that it was slightly smaller than some other models, making it a better fit for my friend's ITX case, but while still providing more than adequate cooling performance on the GPU AND memory.
Sapphire has an exceptional track record for making good quality cards, and often at very reasonable prices at the same time. Powercolor has also been making a lot of really good but competitively priced cards as well.
Personally, I have become a bit of a snob for quality in graphics cars, though I don't really care for the heavily over-engineered (and over-priced) models either. My current card is a Sapphire Pulse 6800 XT. on the GPU and memory
No card is complete without shorts.
lol I think this is the card where gamers nexus discovered that the airflow is blocked on the sides of the card. Removing them should improve the temperatures.
Looks like a gpu from the XFX Thicc line up Rx 5xxx
XFX was my brand back when they made Nvidia cards
I think ill have to send you my card very soon. Its such a strange problem happening to mine and i think it would make good content for you. Im already in your discord so ill sort it out.
:Thumbs UP:
Thanks 👍