@@MrCeilidhm1I agree the music is like sitting in a cheap game loading lobby. Great info but ditch the music. Gang up and vote the music off the island!
And you're right about not being able to pay people to care. Not all instructors are willing to help a student go "All the way", that is to sub 1/4 MOA performance. I've found that previous instructors I've learned from, while very nice people, weren't really able or willing to answer all my questions. Granted I did learn a lot from them anyway becasue I was so new. But looking back, they really only seemed to be in the business of helping new shooters get their feet wet. So, thanks for what you do! Before, I would get random bits of advice from those instructors about equipment selection. They might recommend a trigger to me, or a barrel manufacturer, or something. But not able or willing to help me get the whole eco system.... That being, the rifle, the dies, the reamer, and the in-depth instruction that you provide. If I'd have just started with you from the beginning, I could have built (2) custom rifles by now with all the money I spent trying to piece together everything you're giving me. So, Thanks for all that!
My question on the AMP press is, once you've already refined all the other processes before bullet seating (annealing, neck lube trimming etc) down to an exact science, and you've proven out the process time and time again, do you still need to see how hard it takes to seat that bullet now? I mean, if you've mastered the consistency in the brass prep process, shouldn't they all at this point in time, be seating pretty much the same now?
Unfortunately there is always something that comes up on a few rounds, no matter how meticulous you are. These components are just not as similar to each other as we want them to be. So yes, it's necessary for every round you load, because there is always the possibility that one will not be correct. If you can't detect that before you fire it, then you've got a flyer... plain and simple.
Faith comments greatly appreciated. Old had to learn seating techniques the hard way, i discovered bullet RO has a correlation to bullet seating force.
I must admit I was surprised at the difference "Don't start unless you are going to finish" tip made. I had pretty good +/- 5 results before but way more consistent +/- 2-3 when doing in one swell foop (4 different test runs so not statistically significant but is indicative). Makes me wonder if some of my surprisingly good fire forming groups were due to that (almost always did those start to finish). Thanks Greg!!!
Really great video. I think not enough people talk about this type of stuff. Anything that you can keep consistent is beneficial for precision. I have a dehumidifier in my loading room and I always try to do things all at once. You’ve got tons of great advice for any reloader.
Can’t thank you enough for what you do for the loading community! You are an idle person but not just In your knowledge for shooting and loading but your courage to share the word of god in todays cancel culture so thank you for everything you do!
Great info, as usual! I will have to be looking into upgrading my press in the next months as well looks like. I am getting good at holding a 2 thou variance across 98% of my rounds. I am very pleased to hear that from you. I was struggling to keep exact same, so hearing 2 is good. I have about 85% the same CBTO, with a few 1 thou out and 2 on the rest. Hardly any outside that, but I use them for practice, not matches. On the music, it is a bit on the loud side. Foe my videos, I typically bump my talking track plus 5 or 6 then my background music usually negative 44 to 48. Barely heard, mainly only when I'm not talking. It is easy to have the music drown out the voice, and that is what we want from you! To hear the experience you are sharing!! Thank you again, and have a blessed week!
Some of this info is gold! Other parts… well let’s just say they don’t apply to me and my shooting. I appreciate the time, effort and information. Overall great video.
Hi Greg. Great content and I hope to take my reloading to the next level with your information. Just a quick one if not already asked. After tumbling with rice do you wipe down or blow out the cases to get rid of any dust?
Thank you for all your videos. They are helpful. How did you get the Amp Press to keep track of each job keeping the last one on top of the page. Mine is the opposite Thx
Greg thank you for the video. I must say I’m guilty of the complete case prep and storing the cases ready to go, but waiting to finalize the loading step until I’m ready to hunt or shoot. Meaning powder and bullet seating. That’s gonna be a hard habit for me to break, but I will say that I have found or experienced springback when the cases sit there for some time which obviously that leads to a seating issue, but I’ve had issues where I have completed the process as you mentioned, but then the ammunition sits there for a year or two and now I’ve created a metallurgical stick in the neck and I have to go back and crack the bullet just a touch on the press.
@@primalrights I see it even with competative shooters, they will take a small arber press to the match and final seat the seeds just before shooting. But yeah I'm going to go over your recommendation and try to avoid the cold weld.
Another great video Mr Dykstra. This is probably a stupid question, but do you have Stratton Custom Rifles chamber your inline seater dies when they are chambering the rifle! 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Another Monster that I find is Ogive inconsistancy that drives me nuts for seating depth consistancy. One seed that I use is the Long range Accubond. Great bullet, but the Ogive is all over the place. If you measure the Ogvie on each bullet out of the box with a comparator. I have found 5 different variances in Ogive size with these bullets.
Agreed. I use the 108 Hornady in my 6 Creed and have got to the point I sort each box. Usually 1 size will be the largest pile, start there. Then adjust die up or down 1 or 2 thou for the next pile. Helps a lot to go thru faster when they are pre-sorted. And getting same lot number helps that a lot!! Large variance from lot to lot I have discovered. Once I started this after my first box, it was much smoother sailing. Typically, all within 2 thou for the whole batch.
I'm 20 minutes in and have enough questions already to talk with you all day! For now, do you have a video showing how you maintain your powder once opened?
Just seal it up back in its factory container. It will reach equilibrium inside its factory container quite quickly once sealed back up. Even 8lb containers show no appreciable change within reasonable time periods.
@@michaeldoyle5001 No desiccant. There is already humidity in the powder, we don't want to alter the formula they have. Factory containers have seals in them. Often the primary seal which is torn off and discarded, then a secondary seal which is meant to be used for the remainder. If it is not in good repair, then an aftermarket seal can be found in the form of a rubber gasket. Screw the lid on tight, and you're good.
I’ve had issues with concentricity so I’ve got a concentricity gauge and I’ve used it to measure runout after every step of brass prep. Prior to bullet seating, I’ve had 1 to 2 thousandths total runout at the most in a batch of brass but after seating the bullet, I’ve got up to 8 thousandths runout. Though most are still showing under 4 thousandths runout, I’m confused as to what could cause this. I’m using sierra game king bullets, nosler accubonds have shown the same issue, and I’m using a rock checker and Forster co-ax. Dies are RCBS and Forster. In all every case, there’s virtually no runout after firing the cases, virtually no runout after FL sizing on either press or with either set of dies, and virtually no runout after expanding the necks with a mandrel. What would cause runout after seating? I heard you mention that an overfilled case can cause this and I am at max capacity on one cartridge I’m loading but the other is not full and I still get the same results on both. 35 Whelen, full case. 7mm Rem Mag, nearly full case.
An "overfilled" case will not likely cause runout. I think you may have misheard me, if you're thinking I've said that. Given your situation you've described, your bullet seating op is where the problem is showing up, so that would be the place to start. If you'd like to get signed up for our mentorship program, I'd be happy to help you diagnose the issue. You can call during the week if you'd like info on how to get signed up.
@@primalrights I know you’re talking about seating depth and not concentricity but I thought seating a bullet into the powder could cause more than one issue. Where can I get more info on your mentorship program?
The AMP press is definitely a buy it if you can item, it certaily shows what is going on. But, person has to have the needed OCD & money to buy one, they are not cheap. I can't justify it for what I do with my guns. However, I knew many years ago I was not going to chase bug holes as it was too involved, and pricy for my OCD level. I do like learning about the vagaries of all the stuff involved in chasing bug holes though.
I had to bail out due to the music. It was like nails on a chalkboard. Love your content and I have your primer seater. Please don’t take it as a negative but please cut the music and republish the content if possible. I really wanted to hear this one.
Hey Greg, Thanks for the content and the scripture readings. Regarding rice tumbling, I bought some of the Nishiki Premium Rice, Medium Grain. My question is, if I'm only shooting 6.5 PRC cartridges, would you still recommend milling that rice? Do you only mill so it's easier to clean smaller cases? Or do you find that milled rice just cleans better? Also, do you have to use the dryer sheets because of the milling process? Thanks!
I stopped cleaning brass basically. I just wet tumble with dawn and lemi shine for 15 min after FLS to remove the lube. No media. Looks to still have plenty of carbon in the neck.
If you decide that you want your brass to shine like polished gold, then walnut polish withLucas gun metal polish. Safe for brass on label. States no ammonia.
Really great information, thanks for that! Regretfully the continuous 'music' becomers rather irritating quickly. Sorry, but that seriously detracts and irritates increasingly.
When? I really liked their .375 Cheytac offering when it launched, but I haven't been loading for cheytac's for a good 6-8 years. Their brass is easy to like if all you've ever loaded is lake city. I don't ever recall being "high on" peterson. In order of what I like most to least: Alpha, Lapua, ADG, then everything else squabbling over a distant 4th place.
@@primalrights there 22 creedmoor brass you seemed to like it, maybe I misunderstood, but I really do like your videos, I use Peterson for my 22 creedmoor and I love it, only used Hornady and PPU before
As much as I truly appreciate and learn from your content, it's tough to get really tuned into what you're saying with part of my ear, and another part of my ear is trying to concentrate on the background music you (for whatever reason) uploaded to the video. If you were trying to concentrate on an extremely important shot at whatever, would you be perturbed if there was background music playing in that specific sphere? Without any hesitation, I believe you provide the very best reloading content on any platform. I appreciate that you're a Christian man, as I am. But please, ixnay the unnecessary music.
Another vote for no music. You're great as is. No music needed.
Sorry love your content but the music makes this one very difficult to listen to to
@@MrCeilidhm1I agree the music is like sitting in a cheap game loading lobby. Great info but ditch the music. Gang up and vote the music off the island!
Absolutely wrong music for this type of video.
I like it
And you're right about not being able to pay people to care. Not all instructors are willing to help a student go "All the way", that is to sub 1/4 MOA performance.
I've found that previous instructors I've learned from, while very nice people, weren't really able or willing to answer all my questions. Granted I did learn a lot from them anyway becasue I was so new.
But looking back, they really only seemed to be in the business of helping new shooters get their feet wet. So, thanks for what you do!
Before, I would get random bits of advice from those instructors about equipment selection. They might recommend a trigger to me, or a barrel manufacturer, or something. But not able or willing to help me get the whole eco system.... That being, the rifle, the dies, the reamer, and the in-depth instruction that you provide.
If I'd have just started with you from the beginning, I could have built (2) custom rifles by now with all the money I spent trying to piece together everything you're giving me.
So, Thanks for all that!
My question on the AMP press is, once you've already refined all the other processes before bullet seating (annealing, neck lube trimming etc) down to an exact science, and you've proven out the process time and time again, do you still need to see how hard it takes to seat that bullet now? I mean, if you've mastered the consistency in the brass prep process, shouldn't they all at this point in time, be seating pretty much the same now?
Unfortunately there is always something that comes up on a few rounds, no matter how meticulous you are. These components are just not as similar to each other as we want them to be. So yes, it's necessary for every round you load, because there is always the possibility that one will not be correct. If you can't detect that before you fire it, then you've got a flyer... plain and simple.
Thank you for everything you are doing, I would not be the re-loader that I wish to be without your guidance.
Very kind. You’re welcome and God bless.
Faith comments greatly appreciated. Old had to learn seating techniques the hard way, i discovered bullet RO has a correlation to bullet seating force.
Yes agree no music .. otherwise fantastic !
I must admit I was surprised at the difference "Don't start unless you are going to finish" tip made. I had pretty good +/- 5 results before but way more consistent +/- 2-3 when doing in one swell foop (4 different test runs so not statistically significant but is indicative). Makes me wonder if some of my surprisingly good fire forming groups were due to that (almost always did those start to finish). Thanks Greg!!!
Really great video. I think not enough people talk about this type of stuff. Anything that you can keep consistent is beneficial for precision. I have a dehumidifier in my loading room and I always try to do things all at once. You’ve got tons of great advice for any reloader.
Miss your input on the LRH forum. Always enjoy your knowledge and advice in regards to hand loading. Thanks
Great way to get my morning started. Love the content. God Bless.
Thanks for this content. Always worth the time.
Can’t thank you enough for what you do for the loading community! You are an idle person but not just In your knowledge for shooting and loading but your courage to share the word of god in todays cancel culture so thank you for everything you do!
Great video and well explained!
Great info, as usual! I will have to be looking into upgrading my press in the next months as well looks like. I am getting good at holding a 2 thou variance across 98% of my rounds. I am very pleased to hear that from you. I was struggling to keep exact same, so hearing 2 is good. I have about 85% the same CBTO, with a few 1 thou out and 2 on the rest. Hardly any outside that, but I use them for practice, not matches.
On the music, it is a bit on the loud side. Foe my videos, I typically bump my talking track plus 5 or 6 then my background music usually negative 44 to 48. Barely heard, mainly only when I'm not talking. It is easy to have the music drown out the voice, and that is what we want from you! To hear the experience you are sharing!!
Thank you again, and have a blessed week!
Thank you, sir. God bless
Some of this info is gold! Other parts… well let’s just say they don’t apply to me and my shooting. I appreciate the time, effort and information. Overall great video.
Hi Greg. Great content and I hope to take my reloading to the next level with your information. Just a quick one if not already asked. After tumbling with rice do you wipe down or blow out the cases to get rid of any dust?
Great content. What is your opinion of using ultrasonic cleaning for my fired, high quality brass? Detrimental or as good as vibratory cleaning?
I do not recommend ultrasonic, or any wet process. They can not produce the seating results you've seen here in this video.
Great Vid 👍👍👍👍
Thank you for all your videos. They are helpful. How did you get the Amp Press to keep track of each job keeping the last one on top of the page. Mine is the opposite Thx
@@flooded3456 You can click the column headers top right. That will allow you to sort how you like.
@@primalrights I'll go check it out thank you Greg
@@primalrights mine doesn't show that option
Greg thank you for the video. I must say I’m guilty of the complete case prep and storing the cases ready to go, but waiting to finalize the loading step until I’m ready to hunt or shoot. Meaning powder and bullet seating. That’s gonna be a hard habit for me to break, but I will say that I have found or experienced springback when the cases sit there for some time which obviously that leads to a seating issue, but I’ve had issues where I have completed the process as you mentioned, but then the ammunition sits there for a year or two and now I’ve created a metallurgical stick in the neck and I have to go back and crack the bullet just a touch on the press.
Cold welding doesn't happen, or at least is greatly mitigated, by following the rest of the prescribed steps in my loading process.
@@primalrights I see it even with competative shooters, they will take a small arber press to the match and final seat the seeds just before shooting. But yeah I'm going to go over your recommendation and try to avoid the cold weld.
I pray one day I can pay you what you're worth. I truly appreciate your contribution to the community.
Thanks for the video Greg! Do you have any experience or insight on the Micron Precision Arbor seating dies?
Haven’t used them.
@@primalrights Thanks Greg, I got a great deal (remains to be seen) on a factory cosmetic blem. The quality is amazing, we'll see!
Another great video Mr Dykstra. This is probably a stupid question, but do you have Stratton Custom Rifles chamber your inline seater dies when they are chambering the rifle!
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Yes, we setup inline dies just like a barrel. (Almost).
Can I reuse the Primal Rice. I guess if so it depends on round count. Thanks for such great videos.
Yes it lasts for thousands of rounds, depending on size.
Greg, your content is great and I love your discussions. The music makes it difficult to follow.
Another Monster that I find is Ogive inconsistancy that drives me nuts for seating depth consistancy. One seed that I use is the Long range Accubond. Great bullet, but the Ogive is all over the place. If you measure the Ogvie on each bullet out of the box with a comparator. I have found 5 different variances in Ogive size with these bullets.
Agreed. I use the 108 Hornady in my 6 Creed and have got to the point I sort each box. Usually 1 size will be the largest pile, start there. Then adjust die up or down 1 or 2 thou for the next pile. Helps a lot to go thru faster when they are pre-sorted. And getting same lot number helps that a lot!! Large variance from lot to lot I have discovered. Once I started this after my first box, it was much smoother sailing.
Typically, all within 2 thou for the whole batch.
@@ChadKelly7 100%
I'm 20 minutes in and have enough questions already to talk with you all day! For now, do you have a video showing how you maintain your powder once opened?
Just seal it up back in its factory container. It will reach equilibrium inside its factory container quite quickly once sealed back up. Even 8lb containers show no appreciable change within reasonable time periods.
@@primalrights By seal it up, are you taping the lid on, or just screwing it down? And do you use a dessicant inside? Thanks for the quick response.
@@michaeldoyle5001 No desiccant. There is already humidity in the powder, we don't want to alter the formula they have. Factory containers have seals in them. Often the primary seal which is torn off and discarded, then a secondary seal which is meant to be used for the remainder. If it is not in good repair, then an aftermarket seal can be found in the form of a rubber gasket. Screw the lid on tight, and you're good.
I’ve had issues with concentricity so I’ve got a concentricity gauge and I’ve used it to measure runout after every step of brass prep. Prior to bullet seating, I’ve had 1 to 2 thousandths total runout at the most in a batch of brass but after seating the bullet, I’ve got up to 8 thousandths runout. Though most are still showing under 4 thousandths runout, I’m confused as to what could cause this. I’m using sierra game king bullets, nosler accubonds have shown the same issue, and I’m using a rock checker and Forster co-ax. Dies are RCBS and Forster.
In all every case, there’s virtually no runout after firing the cases, virtually no runout after FL sizing on either press or with either set of dies, and virtually no runout after expanding the necks with a mandrel. What would cause runout after seating?
I heard you mention that an overfilled case can cause this and I am at max capacity on one cartridge I’m loading but the other is not full and I still get the same results on both.
35 Whelen, full case.
7mm Rem Mag, nearly full case.
An "overfilled" case will not likely cause runout. I think you may have misheard me, if you're thinking I've said that. Given your situation you've described, your bullet seating op is where the problem is showing up, so that would be the place to start. If you'd like to get signed up for our mentorship program, I'd be happy to help you diagnose the issue. You can call during the week if you'd like info on how to get signed up.
@@primalrights I know you’re talking about seating depth and not concentricity but I thought seating a bullet into the powder could cause more than one issue. Where can I get more info on your mentorship program?
@@BlairStOnge Call during the week. 👍👍
The AMP press is definitely a buy it if you can item, it certaily shows what is going on. But, person has to have the needed OCD & money to buy one, they are not cheap. I can't justify it for what I do with my guns. However, I knew many years ago I was not going to chase bug holes as it was too involved, and pricy for my OCD level. I do like learning about the vagaries of all the stuff involved in chasing bug holes though.
I had to bail out due to the music. It was like nails on a chalkboard. Love your content and I have your primer seater. Please don’t take it as a negative but please cut the music and republish the content if possible. I really wanted to hear this one.
Hey Greg, Thanks for the content and the scripture readings.
Regarding rice tumbling, I bought some of the Nishiki Premium Rice, Medium Grain. My question is, if I'm only shooting 6.5 PRC cartridges, would you still recommend milling that rice? Do you only mill so it's easier to clean smaller cases? Or do you find that milled rice just cleans better? Also, do you have to use the dryer sheets because of the milling process? Thanks!
Milling it increases surface area and is more abrasive. Does a better job. Dryer sheets collect random debris and ward off static charge.
I stopped cleaning brass basically. I just wet tumble with dawn and lemi shine for 15 min after FLS to remove the lube. No media. Looks to still have plenty of carbon in the neck.
What you are doing is nearly exactly opposite of what I recommend.
If you decide that you want your brass to shine like polished gold, then walnut polish withLucas gun metal polish. Safe for brass on label. States no ammonia.
who the hell has time to go from step one to finish in one seating?
Good content. Your choice in music is freaking horrible though. Makes it hard to stay tuned in long enough to see the actual content.
I’ll make sure I use worse music, for longer next time…
I get what you’re saying, but sized to loaded all at once just isn’t practical as the combined process takes too long.
Really great information, thanks for that! Regretfully the continuous 'music' becomers rather irritating quickly. Sorry, but that seriously detracts and irritates increasingly.
Noted!
What happened with you and Peterson brass. I know you were very high on their brass!
When? I really liked their .375 Cheytac offering when it launched, but I haven't been loading for cheytac's for a good 6-8 years. Their brass is easy to like if all you've ever loaded is lake city. I don't ever recall being "high on" peterson. In order of what I like most to least: Alpha, Lapua, ADG, then everything else squabbling over a distant 4th place.
@@primalrights there 22 creedmoor brass you seemed to like it, maybe I misunderstood, but I really do like your videos, I use Peterson for my 22 creedmoor and I love it, only used Hornady and PPU before
As much as I truly appreciate and learn from your content, it's tough to get really tuned into what you're saying with part of my ear, and another part of my ear is trying to concentrate on the background music you (for whatever reason) uploaded to the video. If you were trying to concentrate on an extremely important shot at whatever, would you be perturbed if there was background music playing in that specific sphere?
Without any hesitation, I believe you provide the very best reloading content on any platform. I appreciate that you're a Christian man, as I am. But please, ixnay the unnecessary music.
Well, you never know if you don’t try. 😉
@@primalrights
Yessir