World's Best Protection Police K9 and Sport Dogs - Steve Stoops - EP 106
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2024
- Talking about some of the strongest and toughest dogs in the world, these dogs are man stoppers. Dogs that are bred tough, train tough and help police and military do their jobs. Who trains these dogs? What does it take to be one of these elite dogs? I s it down for another great conversation with Steve "Zane" Stoops and talk about it. From the top personal protection dogs to the toughest most elite military dogs, Stoops' experience is unmatched.
We talk about how sport training like Schutzhund / IPO / IGP / Ring Sport / KNPV and more affect how these dogs are raised and turn out. The sociability factor in these dogs and the safety vs. liability of sport dogs in general.
This is a great chat for anyone who loves working dogs, who works with these dogs and anyone who wants to learn more.
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Steve Stoops is amazing! The two of you together, awesome!
The point about a dog with bite training being less likely to bite is actually similar to people once they’re armed. You can be a relatively confrontational and combative person, they day you acquire a concealed carry permit and start carrying a firearm you immediately notice yourself avoiding trouble more than you previously would’ve
It's the same for people that do martial arts. They tend to start less fights, and end them civilly when forced into them. I think a little bite work helps a dog to understand what they should and should not bite, and when to apply it.
Steve's intensity is next level. The dude never blinks - feels like he's staring me down through the screen 🤣
Great chat guys - you are such an inspiration.
I never noticed that. Just a regular guy. With a very patchy beard 😅😅😅
I can't even grow a patchy beard nor want one so not a Diss.
He does blink when he’s not talking, I think he concentrates when he speaks and it comes out in his not blinking..but when the camera backs off and Robert is talking, Steve is blinking normally..
Steve’s my dad and now I’ll have to be extra careful to make sure I’m blinking. 😂
I would love to see training videos from Stoops. These conversations are gold! Please do a training video together.
Coming soon!
@RobertCabralDogs you should look into wilderness guide dog lines. Essentially anti bear dogs and such. Certain lines dedicated to that purpose in some breeds make really good protection lines as they are bred to be Essentially level 1 dogs with low level training and have drive enough to go higher level.
My wolfdog is from such a line and passed level 4 protection type training. Seen a few grading systems but equal to a level 10 to a military level or police level in bitework and other. Primarily used as a wilderness guide dog and companion though.
93.7 percent wolf. Split Primarily between arctic and mackenzie valley wolves. The latter having the highest human aggression tendencies. Never had a failure to comply once he reached full maturity and never had an accidental bite. His trainers that did his certification to say if he passed or not to their standards said they've never seen a dog pick it up as fast and be as discerning on the bite. Thankfully due to how hes wired and been socialized hes also unwilling to show aggression towards children and even puppies unless their his own and for correction purposes.
He is however a true potential monster. I forget the name for the type of sleeve but the thickest hardest ones used in bite work sports and protection training. He broke an arm through one via load pressure. And can penetrate weaker sleeve designs. His one trainer that helped teach him discerning he likes alot but also dislikes alot.
Along with firearm reactive in true aggression if doing bite work. Side effect of hunting training. And after I tweaked his training hes fairly reactive towards threats to children but true threats. He will very quickly escalate under those situations compared to anything else.
But his trainers also have experience with wilderness guide specific training and the modifications done to hunting search and rescue and protection training to create that sub set of dog.
Also where I tend to find the best breeders outside protection and working lines of more traditional types.
What a beautiful friendship. More like brothers and Janet, the little sister. Thank you so much for having your friend on.
Thank you both for your wrath of knowledge and information I LOVE soaking up any tid bits that will help me training, you guys are legendary 🙏🤙
Great to hear!
This was great. Love the knowledge you both share and also the friendship. Robert, I found your video about losing a dog when I desperately needed some comfort. You helped me immensely through my grieving process, which is ongoing. You should know that. Thank you so much. I lost my boy to lymphoma 4 months ago. In 6 short weeks after diagnosis he was gone. The hardest thing I've ever had to go through. One day I hope I could have the opportunity to get a dog from Steve, but im def not ready yet. Keep doing what you are doing. You are helping more people than you even know.
You are not alone. There are many of us that understand the profound loss & grief that comes when our dogs pass. Many people can be cold, but you will never find that on Robert Cabral’s membership forums or from most that watch his TH-cam videos. His video about grief and his dog, Silly has helped so many people. I decided to comment I guess just to acknowledge your loss, I know sometimes it is nice to know someone understands...even if it’s a stranger. I heard once that grief is just love with no place to go. Your dog was loved & loved you right back. My sympathies on your loss. Take care.
@@unclesamsniece2064 Thank you very much for doing this! Greatly appreciated 🙏🏼
You mentioned the Giant Schnauzer @ minute 33 as your home protection dog. So many ppl ignore them because they don't have the fierce looks of a Cane, Rottie or Mastiff
I bet they are tougher to train, because they are TERRIERS!!!!
A giant is not a terrier
The Giant schnauzer is a military sport dog👀
Mastiffs/molasers are more home/personal/car/businesses/property guardians based on the bond, being a Velcro dog, heavier/bigger/formital adversary towards any threat.
I thought they were friendly well they look friendly
Keep it that way so the breed doesn’t get destroyed
Thanks
THANK YOU!
Man, I can listen to you guys for ever! Steve has this aura that just invites the acquisition of more knowledge.. You need to make a training workshop together. Love from the UK ❤
Sorry Robert.. I don’t understand what that means.. I’m just probably too old! 😂
A great point that I never thought of…”sport dogs don’t end up in shelters “
Fantastic chat guys, thank you both.
Always enjoy listening to zane, great podcast as always 💪
Thank you
This was awesome.
Really enjoyed this interview! Thank you! God Bless David Lee Roth! Thank you!
I absolutely love you first rule!!! Now to finish listening.
Another AMAZING guest and podcast!
You guys are great 👍🏻
You too.
Avi is King
Another great conversation👌
This conversation is fascinating, very thought provoking and I'd love to ask a question. I read and watch a bunch of different trainers that have expertise in aggression -- none of them experts on police and protection dogs as Steve is. But one of the threads that sometimes comes up is that police working K9s may not be trained with a reliable enough "out" which can sometimes lead to tragedy. Listening to Steve right now, I was wondering what he might say about that?
Thanks for sharing this Non bs info!
Awesome. Thanks!
Another great guest, really enjoy Steve's interviews on this channel. Right behind Avi of course. 😜
Avi is king!
I used to walk and take care of a giant schnauzer. He was wonderful. A big love, but could scare the crap out of someone! He had the oddest run. He kind of walked very quickly...lol. Has treed his share of squirrels, as well. His family also had a mini and a standard schnauzer. All different personalities.
@ 16:40
How do they calm the dog down or bring them back to balance after the dog apprehends a really bad - bad guy ? I am impressed by the transition .
I would love to be this guy’s apprentice and just learn from him!
Same!
I’m excited to do my BH with my mel this year.
I dony think any dog tools should be outlawed. But i do believe some shouldn't be sold at PetSmart.
We have had many fly by night "protection" trainers who offer bite work to any pet owner with no evaluation etc. And then we end up with a lot of dogs that had iffy minded dogs that never had control work but a lot of unstructured bite inhibition. Fact of life, people who lack knowledge paired with others lacking knowledge ruins life for everyone.
The dog world is on a very rocky ledge.
Love you guys. Your skills, knowledge and ethics. Keep up the battle.
Can you please get Haz from shield K9 on or express opinion on his training style appreciate it
Hi, another great podcast, I own a Czech working black german shepperd, he loves biting on the sleeve in IGP or on a mondioring jacket, but he is a darling who comes to pet himself (he loves girls :)), and at this moment no one would ever say that he might ever bite :)
He never blinks, even his eyes are hardcore
A man who has seen and done some shit
Wonderful podcast!!! I'm not hearing enough about the genetic component. What percentage of sport dogs, great dogs on the field, can actually be useful in confrontational situations in civil circumstances? Difficult to generalize but helpful if one or both of you would comment... Mr. Stoops you mention Armin Winkler. For those who do not know this name, he translated Der Schutzhund by Helmut Raiser. Top guy...
I love your show, very informative and just great, you and your guests!!
Could you please try in one of your interviews to talk about Rotties too? I know Malanois and GS are great , but too much energies for me, so it would be awesome to see a show with a very experienced Rottie Trainer, if you would know one? And a question I have is related to this: why are Rotties less and less used for Police or Military? Too slow, heavy and stubborn, or? I had Rotties all my life long and I hope this wonderful breed will survive also in future.
My protection trained wolfdog has never had an accidental bite. He has inflicted a bit of damage during training and one real life incident against dogs. Training wise it was mostly because his jaw was so strong. The other because the other dogs literally tried to kill him.
Training wise hes broken an arm through a sleeve. Hes also caused some hard hard falls and some other little bumps and scraps.
But hes otherwise an uber gentle baby. Veey social. And doesnt ramp up to aggression too fast. Will try and turn things into play or correct the other dog into better behavior.
People wise he doesnt really latched down full power clamp unless you really push the issue or given a command.
Joda I did his foundation via prey drive and some hunting work. He is target motivated.
He will bite what you tell him to bite and where. With a certain command he will also bite as long as you tell him to. I can also tell him latch and hold. Or shake and maul. Part of that is due to his reward system for not murking targets.
From there went to tracking type hunting from original catch and chase type training. Which was expanded to basic retrieve and find training.
Bite work was an extension of that. Same with predator avoidance and alert tendency. Bite work can help in game form while teaching level 1 and teach them to be able to back off and think when needed. Whole purpose is keep you away from predator animals but also alert you and chase them off or help deter them if need be. Well trained ones have verbal necessary trigger along with a territory range and discerning ability.
They also need to be very reliable or handled with modified care. Joda is essentially almost perfect. If need be he will prevent the charge while a handler can draw and fire. But he will also charge in and use full bite force immediately to drive off and return once threat is gone. Early on however he wanted to seriously harm bears. E collar and some others is how we fixed that behavior. But he naturally does not like bears. Like even a tames bear he'd probably wanna hurt it. Before being trained on it I could imagine him mauling bear cubs. Like the only real overly heightened trigger he has.
Wolves has different social skills and behaviors than dogs.
Dog that have been mistreated or attack dogs or dog fighting breds have had their dog social behaviors bred out or forced out.
@AmandaHugandKiss411 no they haven't. First off. 2nd. I have more experience wirh wolf dogs and pure breds then most. And I have experience with all but 2 fighting breeds of dog. And almost every single power breed
Good chat
GSD’s the most intelligent guardian dog. American Akita’s and Cane Corso’s show stoppers. A GSD will run you down and bite you taking you to the ground. A Corso will snap at you randomly causing great damage. And an American Akita is a straight show stopper. Akita’s will lure you in with their calm demeanor. As soon as you’re close enough. They will kill without much effort. They’re incredibly big, strong dogs that truly know how to kill. Only speaking on dogs I’ve owned or have experience with.
I used 2 balls to train nova... dropping the first was natural when turning to go for the next ... and i just used repetitive throws ... not extremely far ... it was weird when suggested to me but 20min and the drop became smooth enough she didnt even realize when i wasnt throwing until after the one she had was already dropped and shortly after put in my hand
Where's the part of the man stoppers??
Great content... any video about dog training that also includes a Van Halen reference is a winner, imo. =\/=/-/=
Great video! I hope we will see Avi again
We will.
Imagine being a fly on the wall when the private conversation happens. The learning curve would be incomprehensible.
This and the Sonja Nordstrom podcast are..fantastic. Then I find out these guys/gals are 45 minutes away from me..I’d love to get my pup over to them just for a scent class or even just an evaluation..
This is all about power in my personal opinon. People like limiting what other people can or can't do.
Enjoyed the show thank you guys. Never train a mean dog to bite is the very first thing I was taught when I got into the dog business. Now they’re taking the clatter sticks out of ipo, it’s truly sad how these positive only people are ruining the working dogs. I think you have a better chance of making a psa and wda dog a protection over the ipo dog due to the fact the ipo dog is equipment fixated because it only bites a sleeve and is taught to pull.
There is way too much, "I don't like it, so it shouldn't exist!" in today's society!
The PC movement is trying to impose their views on the world, I personally don't like skydiving, but I won't stop others from doing it!
We need to educate and push back!
Thank you for your content gentlemen!
Looking to train my dog as personal protection. In LA area. Do you have recommendations, please
Can you send me the seminar info. Zana Palooza.
The word on Akitas are that they are too independent to be trained as protection dogs and that they will become too agressive. As a owner I know they are terrific natural protection dogs. I am on my second male now and wondering what you and other people here commenting think about potentially do protection work with my guy now. Obviously I would have to have his temper tested first. If those tests even apply well on Akitas. For the record its an American Akita. And not one of the "new" ones people have in dog parks and that love all people. He is old school.
I wish he would’ve explain more about why he doesn’t like the pitbull for protection.
I live in the uk, I have a working GSD, I use a prong and e collar. No one has ever questioned me or my approach. All I get are compliments. I’ve been asked a few times if I’m training a police dog. Nope the uk cops don’t train them like this 😇
Murrieta is where I'm from 😊
What do you think of a dogo argetino
Yes, allot of the sport dogs I see aren’t really in aggression.
Creep is equivalent to your Silly ❤️🩹 you both are so empathetic and deeply love your dog's, it's so nice you can relate to each other so organically.
"Down, motionless people are the most dangerous"
That makes so much sense why police dogs bite so many people who are already down and in cuffs lol
Hey great podcast but when is Avi coming back?🤣
Soon.
Personal protection dog and a corporate guard dog is different. Just like sport is different from police and military.
Schnauzers live 14 years, that's a pretty big difference.
"I'm not in dog training for work"
I'm confused at this point.
I couldn’t find Mike Deal, Deel, Deere.
Diehl
Is there information on the Nashville seminar.
Contact Stoops
@@RobertCabralDogs Did thanks 🙏
How can I get my 11 week old mal and 6 year old mal get along my 11 week old has a problem biting the 6 years olds face and you know how that goes
Robert, I hope you actually do read this comment. I actually respect you and watch a lot of your videos and even suggest them to some of my clients. I understand your angst against positive trainers, but it really is not them you should be cutting up all the time. The problem is with OWNERS. To explain, I give a client instructions on a technique to practice with their dog. I demonstrate it multiple times and have the owner practice it in front of me so they understand. BUT during the following weeks they alter it and do it their own way, incorrectly. The technique could now be considered abusive because of the OWNERS MISTAKE not the trainers. Any tool or technique can be useful when used correctly, but when used INCORRECTLY it becomes harmful. It isnt positive trainers making this mistake. It is owners making this mistake and they are the ones you should be cutting up, most of these people shouldnt be allowed to "own" a dog.
I see just as many dog trainers that train with prong collars and e-collars INCORRECTLY and they are more at fault than positive trainers for getting these devices banned! Take for instance when I tell a client to tap his dog on the shoulder, literally a one finger tap, but the owner instead hits his dog, who is at fault? The trainer? NO its the owner for not following instructions and being abusive. Or take the person I recently acquired who has a 17 pound 6 month old puppy (with no prior training) who had a previous "traditional" trainer tell them they can never teach a dog to walk nicely without pops on the leash with a choke collar. But then the owners arent popping this puppy, they are literally dragging it choking as they walk. I was mortified when I saw what they were doing. And in ONE session I had that puppy walking nicely in a HARNESS. Its when people see things like that that the choke collar is villainized. But it wasnt a positive trainer, it wasnt even the traditional trainer, it was the owner and their incorrect usage of the tool (or technique) that is the problem.
Or the person who has the dog who doesnt understand polite greetings and every time the dog shows an interest in someone the owners zaps him so hard with the e-collar that the dog is whining and flopping on the ground. It isnt a positive trainer who is causing that scene. Its a moron owner. When my husband saw that he flipped and expressed disgust at e-collars and I corrected him, its not the e-collar its the moron owner. So you want to constantly make innuendos about tools being banned keep in mind it is NOT the positive trainers that are causing it, its moron OWNERS (or bad trainers) that are causing it. And I would bet that the majority of the "trainers" that are making these "tools" look harmful are not positive trainers. So you want to complain about e-collars being banned. I get it. I really do. As I do understand their usage and place in training, but IT IS NOT POSITIVE TRAINERS CAUSING THE ISSUE!
People make mistakes. I have no issues with positive trainers who train dogs and know their limits, as with any other trainers. My problem IS with positive only trainers who work tirelessly to criticize balanced trainers as well as fighting to ban tools that actually save lives. There are no other trainers other than positive ONLY, radicals that spread lies about pinch collars and e-collars.... as well as using corrections to train a dog. THEIR lies cause many dogs irreparable harm. Such as, "If the dog can't be trained with positive only, he should be euthanized... BIG PROBLEM!
Guns don’t kill people..
People kill people..
Oh please itscwell known and not privilegdebinfo to know that tierv1 dogs come from multi breeders are are trained at different locations that have zero to do with the AF. There are numerous even YT videos giving this info even where the handlers are sent for their 8-12 week train course for how to handle and use these dogs.
A dog on the streets is more dangerous than a protection dog because it has no dissapline or training
Ferral dogs don't fear people and have lost their wilderness insticts. If they pack up, they are more dangerous than wolves or cotoyes.
FYI wolves and cotoyes live in the wild, even small injuries can be fatal. They assess first. They have their wilderness instincts intact.
Hold on, if in a real situation the dog is having fun, but yet after it’s bite you can’t pet the dog or take it to tasty freeze, then the dog actually was in a serious defensive state of mind. Especially if your comparing it to a bar fight.
I disagree to whoever is saying about not having a protection dog. What could happen to people with disabilities that need a pair of eyes or ears and are in danger? These are the stupidiest things that put people's lives whose dogs are protecting them even from themselves in so much jeopardy. The world is becoming so dumbed in terms of the potential some of these tools can turn a dog to. Dogs potentiality is not exploited because of these dumb movements made by inexperts in the field of animal behavior. I'd seeing myself how dogs with behavior problems have a 180⁰ change for positive, and then been weaned out of these devices and worked totally amazingly great, also the ones who for life still have to used them but work awesome, as sharp as a pencil! 🕊️ Gotta pray a lot for these people with such misinformation and determination. Are people against these tools just wanting to see more animals been killed? A nontrained dog means a threat to people and their breed 🙏🏻. I agree with @RobertCabral and Mr. Stoops, 100%. Dogs can't be wimpy, we really need dogs.
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I forgot to mentioned and foremost our veterans who had served so much and are in need of their protection dogs. That's most needed for what is worth, they served our country, they deserve them too!🕊️
Please bring Kyle on again! He has so much to tell
Yes, too short!
Yes!! I really liked that interview as well! I found him very fascinating because he’s got some very different views on things that I wouldn’t have necessarily considered or even agreed with but I really enjoyed listening to his take on things. The guy knows his stuff! It was a very interesting dichotomy between the 2 of them as they are VERY different in many ways . It made for a very riveting interview. Yes I’d definitely like to see him back for sure .
@Alisha Madariaga I do like how his "protection" work is for real life and not competition! Such a cool perspective because frankly, there is a market for that! Having a dog over a gun is also a cool perspective! If your dog is trained, much safer lol
Since last year in Spain, letting a dog leashed outside while your in (a market,a bar ..) its considered animal abuse...........................
It's not reckless if with the right person. Dog ownership here isn't vetted in any manner, which leads to idiots having dogs that teach dogs to bite, typically criminals and gangs, not the average person. much the same as the average person who won't abuse a dog, regardless of the tools used, horse riders are the exact same(crops, spurs, even reins and legs can be used to abuse) & with relationships too, you're either an abuser or you're not!
Taking sports away from dogs is just nuts, dogs need an outlet and they often don't get it in the park or with a pet owner, which is a larger problem with pet bites along with the whole notion that you can't correct your children and now dogs because its mean, you can't learn without corrections, someone has to tell you its wrong or you'll just keep doing it, which only leads to a full grown person or dog who have no social skills and think they can do as they please when they please and have little to no consequences. the badly behaved person goes to jail, and a dog gets killed.
A big part of the problem is they keep putting laws in place that do not even allow you to protect yourself, jeez in the UK you can be sued and arrested for attacking a burglar in your own damn home!
and If I have a police dog then it's chasing bad guys who will do anything to get away including hitting the dog, so for detainment purposes the dog needs to hold on regardless until told otherwise.
none of the dog bites in the UK or the deaths (9 in 2022) was by dogs that were protection trained either!!
My pup is mouthy, and he could really do with some protection training to get some control, equipment or not wouldn't fuss him either, I don't want to do it myself though and I can't find a trainer to work with.
It's all ballocks & without evidence or stats to back it up.
😂😂😂
😂 the lack of old school dogmen have changed the perspective of dogs and training..sad 😢
I'd rather have a badaxe dog than a gun any day.
Thus man never blinks...strange. Anyway there are so many German Shepards in Denver as Rescue Dogs so sad in Colorado Springs @the Human Sociaty so many Pitbulls, because Denver outlaed Pitbulls. Pueblo has a lit of Pits as well. Why is it folks think breeding dogs makes them a lot of money. To me the word Human Sociaty nothing Human about those folks hear, there the Gestapo.... if they dive by your house and see your dog go to and from the car they tell you you broke the leash law and give you a warning and then watch your house....we are in a policing country anymore....
10 speed totally dated you, lol.
NOT BLINKING AND HAVING AN OMINOUS STARE IS FRIGHTENING -- LOOKS RED-STATE!!
If you want a protection dog then YOU need training not the dog!
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@@deadpossum6826 im not literally saying the dog dont need training
But its the human mainly needing it. I see lots of people getting dogs like cane corsos or german Shepherds thinking they are getting a cool scary dog that Will bite anyone they want etc.
Disagree completely. I'm a vet and want a +1 and want a force equal to mine. Imagine a random stranger telling me what I need or don't need in my life.
@@loadedwraps7630 then I hope you are a responsible dog owner
I almost peed in my pants - you teach them to bite - does anyone think that dogs needs to be teached to bite? This is their main survival and defense tool.
It is just unbelievable how much these people are delusional....