Pr. Ron Kelly's comments about Conrad Vine and church leadership
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- [NOTE: Belt of Truth has added the clip of Diop saying they never promoted the vaccine; that clip was not in Kelly’s sermon. Belt of Truth added the yellow text as well to help our viewers understand some of the politely vague references Pastor Kelly is making. And of course the Conrad Vine post at the beginning of the video was added by us.]
This is most of the closing segment of the 8:30am Ron Kelly sermon entitled, “Crucial Conversations,” presented at the 9/21/24 Conrad Vine Religious Liberty Weekend. Enjoy the full sermon here:
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Since Belt of Truth previously shared the controversial Conrad Vine comments that got him cancelled, we thought it would also be proper to share these comments from his friend and colleague Ron Kelly.
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Since Belt of Truth previously shared the controversial Conrad Vine comments that got him cancelled, we thought it would also be proper to share these comments from his friend and colleague Ron Kelly. Belt of Truth added the clip of Diop saying they never promoted the vaccine; that was not in the sermon; we wanted our viewers to see it for themselves so they don’t have to take Pastor Kelly’s word for it. Belt of Truth added the yellow text, as well, to help viewers understand some of the politely vague references Pastor Kelly is making. And of course the Conrad Vine post at the beginning of the video was added by us.
This video is most of the closing segment of the 8:30am Ron Kelly sermon entitled, “Crucial Conversations,” presented at the 9/21/24 Conrad Vine Religious Liberty Weekend. Enjoy the full sermon here:
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I've been praying. I know that we are at the end of time. I heard a sermon on Sabbath that talked about the disciples coming together before Pentecost and confessing their faults one to another. Prayer and confessing led to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. We need the outpouring of the Holy Spirit as the latter rain.
Especially when President Elder Wilson told us to keep the GC and him accountable, and when we do, we get shut down and kicked out.
Yeah the cancellations escalated the controversy.
Well, I won’t be sitting on the fence where truth as it is in Jesus is concerned.
God’s gave is church the health message and freedom of choice. So to be cancelled for specking truth or shutdown for wanting to address important issues,is not the spirit of God.
Amen
Agree!
I am definitely standing by pastor Conrod Vine
Amen. We all have our little differences but we need to stand together.
Lord help us! The greatest want is men who are not afraid to call sin out and who cannot be bought or sold. God help us 😢
Amen
I have been studying the issue at hand and have been for a long time, studying prayerfully Scripture and the S&P. I see that soon there will be no riding the fence for any SDA. It is becoming clear who is doing the cleansing or sifting at this point. I do stand with Dr. Conrad Vine, someone had to take their stand for justice and truth. Many Adventist's lives have forever been altered in a very negative way during the covid crisis, our conferences took their stance with government mandates, some lost their lives, many their careers and marriages, and many who suffer terrible disabilities because they were forced to take the jab. If Christ were here today and Sister White, they would most certainly be persecuted and banned. God help us as His professed people, we are beginning to see who stands for God's truth and they will be few . . .
A lot of truth right there.
Have to say it: The clip of the GC Religious Liberty director saying they never promoted the vaccine is one of the most bizarre turns in the church Covid saga.
Yes
Amen - Truly had to take a double-take as I couldn't believe what I was hearing... The next GC session can't come soon enough.
If he truly said that, then the GC and Church need to take seriously that they are now actively misleading Christians and Adventists and are no longer advocates for truth.
@@kbarrett1844 you’ll be a delegate I hope, Kevin?
@@beltoftruthministries - I’ve only had the privilege at the Union level. I think delegates for the next GC session have already been picked. However, I will be praying earnestly.
I'm going to be a little transparent right now...........
Since 2020 the thought continues to stir around in my mind that says, "I wish Pastor Ron Kelly could become our next General Conference President.
I don’t think you’re alone. He’s clearly the leader.
He surely is! 🙏🏼@@beltoftruthministries
Conrad Vine should be the next GC president.
I could see that one too.
Nope. He is a double talker. Bible says double minded man is unstable in ALL his ways. Take out Ted and put in another unstable soul. Nope!
If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God. . 3T 280.3
Love that quote.
This is a direct consequence of the conference siding with the state and sticking their head in the sand. Conrad’s sermon would not have been necessary if the conference would have addressed the issue when it was brought up. Oh, by the way it’s still hasn’t been dealt with. This makes it difficult to believe they will stand for their members in the future.
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This is true.
Thank you for posting this, I hope and pray it clarifies what was said and not said. I’m deeply disappointed in our GC, and support Dr. Vine. I believe there is still potential for good to come of this. Praying for Dr. Vine, the GC, and most of all that the brethren will press together ❤️🙏 God Bless you Scott and your ministry ❤️🙏
Jesus called out the leaders when they were wrong. Mrs. White called out the leaders when they were wrong. Conrad said nothing wrong. He called out the leaders as so few Pastors are willing to do. I disagree and am disappointed in much of what Ron Kelly said. He sounded prideful to me. I stand with what Conrad Vine said at the Caribou church. Conrad is most courageous and we pray for him daily.
Glad we have the freedom to disagree. I think suggesting tithe reallocation was out of harmony with SoP but that infraction pales in comparison with the grievous crimes against humanity during Covid upon which our leadership compromised.
@@beltoftruthministries While you you were up on that panel, did you openly support Conrad to disagree. Pick a side.
@@beltoftruthministriesso you are saying tithe should be sent to an organization that is not in support of truth; doing all manner of evil that's is against Biblical principles and SOP
@@Bookend I would’ve loved a question during SS on this topic. I’ve been open about my views here for many weeks. What do you mean “Conrad to disagree”?
@@opalgrant2350 how much SoP on the tithe question have you read? Guess number of pages.
I was so uplifted by both of Pastor Kelly’s sermons this past Sabbath. Particularly poignant was that reminder of Elijah, following his huge day on that mountain , running in the dark of night and storm before the chariot of Ahab to see that he returned safely. Sacrificing self to serve the King who sought to kill him. This is the mind of Christ.
That moment in the second sermon was the highlight of the weekend for me.
I think we all in our grief needed this reminder.
@@beltoftruthministriesTruly those of us who love this truth, have come into this truth are grieving. We needed to be reminded that Gods ways are not our ways. At times I felt Pr Kelly was there. He painted the scene so beautifully. It was a sharp reminder to me. I needed to hear that message at this time.
@@Snoddypossie amen
I'm a fan of brother Vine, the conference eh, the SDA movement, a big fan after 30 yrs in pentecostal churches this has been a blessing. I live in Sebring Fl and attend sporadically the Avon Park SDA ch. It was wonderful 16yrs ago when we became members. My wife is involved in guest ministries and is always in attendance I usually lean more toward the third angels message and tend to seek that out. Conflicts in leadership I usually ignore simply because it's not my job to pull up tares. Character development is crucial now as we are so close to the final events. I usually walk past your home every morning as I'm trying to get my 11,000 steps in. One day I hope to meet you I've been keeping up with your ministry since we had those big old sat dishes and could record everything when Amazing disc. came on the scene. Anyway nothing that happens within the GC will affect my walk with Christ He is my all in all. God bless you Scott and your fam.
We should have a term limit for GC and Union leadership. Our organizational structure is the same as that of the Roman Catholic church, which Sister White strongly opposed.
Term limits. Good idea.
This is precisely my point. I certainly don't want any split. But leadership of the GC cannot be made to believe that they can abuse their office without any repercussions
@@dwighthibbert7309 100%
Dr. Conrad Vine is a man who has true LOVE and concern for the flock! I would listen to him and trust him guiding me through, but I am sorrowful to say that I can't say that about Mr. Wilson and what seems to be "yes" men, especially with something as dangerous as that medical experiment was, and still is today. Dr. Vine is what a true leader should be. I very much respect him for doing what he did.
Scott, I’ve been praying hard for the GC leaders to open their hearts to reasonable and valid correction. I'm praying too for Conrad Vine and his family. Pastor Vine did a very honest and courageous thing and put in words what many have been thinking and feeling since the 2021 reaffirmation statement. I'm extremely grateful for your own ministry. How does someone from Canada provide financial support to Belt of Truth? God is being glorified by your ministry. Bless you, Mr. Ritsema.
Amen regarding the prayers. This is the donate page to contribute to the work via online offering beltoftruthministries.org/donate/
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Wonderful to have you on board, sister. God bless you abundantly.
I have never seen such a emotionally charged time as now. I fear this emotion will not calm down anytime soon. I hope it does. I hope there can be calm discussions. But it seems like it is getting worse. That makes me sad.
Yeah we need to reason calmly, discuss cordially, and pray fervently
While I don't know about the anti-vax movement in the USA before Covid I know that there was a large number of SDA people who were anti any vaccines here in NZ before Covid arrived. Hence, they naturally jumped on the false prophecy idea that this time it was the mark of the beast or a test like the king's food in Daniel 1. As you describe emotion & feelings are more important than fact for many people over this issue. Hence, they continue to hold negative thoughts instead of seeking the unity that Jesus prayed for in John 17. Personally, I am prepared to let them believe whatever they want about vaccines the same as I respect their choices in lots of everyday things & regret that vaccine mandates were used (although they were a response to the misinformation that was rapidly spread online) so I can only hope that we can unite in teaching the 3 angels messages asap.
I stand with Dr. Conrad Vine
Including Vine’s support of Kelly at the beginning of the video?
Dr Vine is now dealing with Jobs friends. Thankfully he will be praying for them also.
The leaders of the GC denied/prevented the prayerful discussion of such matters publicly and so addressing the publicly certainly isn’t divisive.
Enough of the gaslighting regarding the position they have taken, the difficult position they placed their fellow brethren and and the harm they have caused by their official statement past, present and future.
Pastor Ron, the GC leadership caused the death and injury of many of our brethren. Pastor Ron, so since you disagree with the call for a "para Church," what's the parth forward if and when the GC leadership impose future mandates on the global Church? May I suggest that "doing nothing" IS NOT an option. So if you have a better option I am willing to listen to it. In closing, it's strange and amazing the venom with which "a mere suggestion was met with. Yet it I feel like the magnitude of the GC leadership’s handling of the crisis and the decisions are either not realized or are been down played.
I’ll chime in and say this. I’m against tithe reallocation organization. But the magnitude of Conrad’s infraction pales in comparison to that of church leadership on the Covid mandate issue.
@@beltoftruthministries The way I understand it, para-churches are home churches. I live in New England. The closest church is 13+ miles. When I can neither buy nor sell, I won't have gas to drive there. My income is Social (in)Security. Any tithe will be given locally to those in my home-church for their sustenance as it will be produce, not cash. City people may not realize these things, but it will be a local circle around me, not hundreds, thousands of miles away that my tithes and offerings go, or that I go to church. Thank you for this SHORT video explaining Pastor Kelly's understanding. Blessings.
@@christiedecker2724 a parachurch organization is a ministry that supports the church not a house church
@@beltoftruthministries para means 'along side of', which can just as easily mean home churches because there may well be organized churches still, at least at first.
That’s a potential hypothetical I suppose. Organized house church movement as a parachurch organization. Dr. Vine presented house church as underground not as an organization.
Finally a voice of reason that I agree with 100%. Praise the Lord! 💕
I definitely stand with Dr. Vine. Its not right nor helpful either to mis-represent SDA as "Closet Terrorist". This need to be address urgently. Pastor Kelly, what he is saying is so vague, and unfair argument.
Amen. We have our differences on the tithe hypothetical, but I stand with him also.
Well said. Amen.
Praise God
Jesus please come quickly.
@@ZJesusIsTheWay amen
It didn’t say whisper, it says with a 🎺
Isaiah 58:1
“Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.”
Amen
@@beltoftruthministriesBut always at Gods bidding and not picking up our sword from our own emotion as Peter did. God grant us the wisdom to know the difference.
Amen
I appreciate your video approach throughout all of this... You've kept it simple, to-the-point, and non-insulting to my intelligence.
Thanks for that. I don’t want to insert myself into it. Just let people hear it and think for themselves. I still do owe people an official Belt of Truth statement since people asked, but this isn’t the time.
thanks Scott... and in all my comments in certain sites etc, I try not to misjudge Ron Kelly because deep down I respect the man, he stood and still stands with the downtrodden... the problem Im seeing is, we are asking ourselves to be humble on this issue, which is good, but the arrogance from the other side is just too much... No apology, nor acknowledgement of wrongs, nothing whatsoever. And lastly, I believe, Dr Vine nor us (conservatives and the concerned) we are no longer able to stop this... somehow God is now taking the reigns, the motion is set
Good thoughts. Pray now for humility for leaders. And may we lead by example.
It's all about the money 💰
BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS,FOR THEY ARE SONS OF GOD!!! AND WHO CHOUSE TO BE ACCUSER OF GODS CHURCH ALWAIS BE MUCH WORKS FOR THEM,BECAUSE FIRST ACCUSER HAVE MORE KNOWELEDGE AND DEVICES THAN PEOPLE..
Amen
His speech was confusing. It seems he was playing up to each side.
He’s taking issue with both sides and trying to bring peace graciously while speaking truth.
Good video somebody keep removing my comments
I’ve had that complaint two times in the last couple weeks. I don’t know what’s going on. My apologies. Thank you for your persistence to get your comment through.
Could be the algorithm too fb does that to me lately
We do have a filter for comments with profanity or profanity acronyms, I don’t think that explains it all
It seem Paster Kelly is missing the point about the para church and redirecting tithes as Conrad vine said if the conference does what they did in 2021 in the future we would be in our right to do so, it would seem the Pastor Kelly is taking the side of the conference leaders on that point this sadness me, I stand with pastor vine not the conference on this point
I didn’t hear Kelly say Vine suggested tithe reallocation should begin now.
I feel for RON KELLY
but the unanswered question of the GC SESSION BLUNDER and who said what and who made the call
and BRI STATEMENT still is up as a FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT
the root issue has been blurred with all the drama
this is like a local church board picking curtain colours never ending
seriously pick one issue and resolve it - all this TITHE AND INDEPENDENT MINISTRY and MICHIGAN AND STEVE BOHR debates and finger pointing is a distraction from the ISSUE
100% it’s a big distraction. We have a massive issue to resolve. Conrad Vines central point.
The shaking is here. What happens next? Keep on praying. The hierarchy is on it's way; along with the Occult Christ (Scott knows what I mean) in 2025. We are heading for the MOB. I hope we are all ready!!! Maranatha!
Get ready get ready get ready. God can overrule Satans announced timeline.
@@beltoftruthministries God doesn't change timeline. It's God's timeline, and Satan know his time is short. Final Generation ends in 2024. We should preach the Sunday Law is at the door, and not guess at anything.
RON SHOULD GET THE B. B BEACH METAL OF HONOR FOR THAT COLD / HOT, WHICH TURNED, TO LUKEWARM SPEECH.
You are right. It's like the "real issues" are been avoided. The question on the floor remains. Will the GC impose future government mandates on our people?
Yes they will and they'll sell us out for the Sunday Law.
Thy Will Be Done
Please explain. Thanks
@@dwighthibbert7309 i’m praying that they don’t impose future mandates
With all due respect: I disagree "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5. 29). You taught us about freedom of consiencie and speech, but you failed the test. God is looking for men who are willing yo say "... God whom we serve is able to deliver us... but if not... we will not ... (Dn 3. 16-17) obey your mandates
May God have mercy on us
...and non adventist truth seekers won't be convinced to come around adventism where there is bickering and the devil laughs out loud when he sees them falling prey to Babylon and her daughters.
So true
Are they going to fire Pastor Vine? Is this the result of the cancellation? What exactly does that mean? And how is this going to be resolved, or will the GC even work with him?There must be some kind of resolution right? I’ve been praying God’s will be done on this whole crisis 😢🙏
Amen. No he’s not being fired. Not sure how it will be resolved but God knows. Your prayers were heard.
@@beltoftruthministries If they won’t let him preach, how is that going to work? I just don’t understand why they went about this the way they did, to me it was not Christ like, and everyone took what he said out of context and way out of proportion and then the GC made it worse canceling him and then it was like a domino effect and the chaos began online. I will continue to be praying for him, our leadership, our church and most of all, for the Holy Spirit to fill us all to be ready for Jesus soon return!! 🙏
@@meredithpool3162 Dr. Vine is not a pastor at the Village Church
@@beltoftruthministries I’m sorry thought he was for some reason. So what’s the cancellation consist of ? And I hope this won’t affect his AFM position .
Michigan conference banned him from speaking at Michigan pulpits.
Seems to me that pastor Kelly is doing his best to take neutral ground. The leaders must be held accountable. There is nothing wrong with strong protest, directly calling for an apology and suggesting certain actions to avoid future abuses. I for one, believe cancellations will continue, and, am very doubtful that any substantive corrections or apologies will take place; why? because Sr White said - when the Omega gathers steam and momentum - "...NOTHING* will be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement..." 1sm 204. How, then, will the true work come to a glorious close? By means of the "irregular lines" or a "para-church movement.
Trust me he’s not neutral on the crisis of the past four years.
I am not follow any man but christ,
I think he would make a great president of the GC!!
Wow somebody else said the same! Draft him! :)
No way
why so he could betray us more.
He says he wants to be enlightened which he was but then says it wasn't helpful...lol to whom? Its a warning.
Would you mind clarifying what you mean by that?
Is It Only me or is Ron Kelly Dancing with both sides, he's in with everything and everyone NO CONTINUITY Just wants to be friends with ALL😮😢🎼🎵🎶🎻🎻🎻
They're all conference boys. Marko Kolic from Profit from Prophets (independent ministry) has been speaking about this. They are dancing on both sides. You'll find him on You Tube
Till we all come in the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God into a perfect man unto the measure of the fullness of Christ
Spoken like a true enemy.
Our battle is not against flesh and blood. Dr. vine called him a “pillar of strength for me.” I think you should delete your comment out of respect for Dr. Vine if not Pastor Kelly.
@@beltoftruthministriesPastor Kelly’s allusion to his parents was critical here. His Father drunk battered his mother. She looked for a solution of love but with resolution. I understood that Pr Kelly is likewise searching for effective Godly solutions.
@@Snoddypossie I hope people watch the full sermon. It was so good.
@@beltoftruthministries absolutely not. As I see it , they are both part of it. One is playing the “ good cop” and the other is playing the “ bad cop”, but you probably already know that.
It’s so hypocritical to do a religious liberty weekend after doing everything against it as a church. Pastor Kelly if you stand up for truth and religious freedom, you would resign. Your actions and words before and after Conrad’s talk are very contradictory.
So you disagree with Dr. Vine?
@@beltoftruthministries No. He plainly disagrees with Kelly. As most do.
@@HotSkillet498 give another careful viewing of the first ten seconds of the video. Vine lets Kelly off the hook and calls him a pillar of support.
It is called sitting on the fence. In the end there will be two distinct sides and no one will sit on the fence. The sad part is that Dr Vine stated " This is an important caveat" . Caveat means "a warning to consider something before taking any more action, or a statement that limits a more general statement" . The warning was "If the GC enforces future mandates" . This important word somehow fell on deaf ears and only the rest are being emphasized. But this was meant to happen to reveal the truth and shake the church. Does that then also mean that the GC has the intention of enforcing more future mandates, else why would they ignore that caveat?"
@@danellseenyen7860 people mid-hearing Vines controversial comments is what prompted me to post the video of him here a couple weeks ago. I’m with you on the caveat. I just don’t hear Kelly denying that caveat. I see Vine affirming Kelly, Kelly offering some critiques of Vine but saying there won’t be a wedge between he and I. There’s a lot of good stuff here. My main critique would be to try to grasp some proportionality in the infractions on either side. Suggesting a hypothetical tithe reallocation scheme is small compared to current misallocation of tithe in defiance of the world church vote. And it pales in comparison to the crimes against humanity we just went through.