SO , AFTER LOOKING CLOSELY AT PICS FROM 75, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT HE ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GIANT BEAT 24 RIDE FOR THE '75 SHOWS AS WELL. I COULDN'T FIND ONE PHOTO OF THE RIDE WITH A CLEAR PAISTE STAMP UNDERNEATH UNTIL 1977. ALSO THE COLOR, HAMMERING AND BELL SHAPE ALL LOOK LIKE THE GIANT BEAT IN '75 PICS AS WELL. INTERESTING!
So when you say "2002 Crash"...you really mean "2002 Medium". I am sure the cymbal seen on Bonham's far right, to the right of his mounted Ride occasionally in the '70's was a 2002 18" Ride...not a Crash. George, your series of these cymbal reviews is so interesting. Thanks! I recently picked up off German eBay a Paiste 18" 2002 Ride. I use it to the right of my 24" Paiste 2002 Ride. I did see it listed on Bonham's Paiste endorsement agreement sheet we see online so much. It's where I got the idea to try one. Love it for steady crashing through a song. Utterly gorgeous sound! Thanks for all you do, Leigh A.
Great video. Great information. I just bought new Re issue 2002's. 24,20,18,15 I really like them. Would love to buy some vintage Paiste someday. Nice cymbals George. Thanks for the information.
George, thank you for all your research. I find it intriguing and watch your videos from start to finish. I have becoming some what obsessed with John Bonhams playing and your videos, that's how stumbled upon you. Sure glad I found you. Thank you !
Also as s guitar player who's come around to drums too, guitar players are toootally just as far down the rabbit hole with their heroes too. Its been very refreshing to uncover how it reflects around an entire bands gear.
Thanks for a great Bonham ride cymbal comparison. Loved it. Back around 1970 as a young drummer in Sydney Australia, I would go to the White Bros. wholesalers, who were , at the time, distributors of both Ludwig and Paiste in Australia. I still have and play my 20" Giant Beat from back then....
Incredible how much time all of us Bonzo nuts have spent thinking about this subject. Thanks for doing this. Didn't know much of the history. I always assumed once Bonzo went to 2002, that was it, he never used anything else, but now that I'm hearing what you're saying and hearing the cymbals side by side, I would not be surprised if Bonzo used the Giant Beat ride on at least on song on Presence and possibly the 602 on another one or two. Hard to say if it's the miking and balance of the mixes, but there definitely seems to be some variety on that record. Could be the case with other Zep records, but hearing the example here and also recalling a listen I had to that record a few months ago, I remembered thinking the cymbals had a different sound to them. Also, someone send this video to Carmine and see if he remembers anything about the cymbals from the early days?
Peserial 24" 602s came in a variety of weights back then. Paperthin, Thin, Medium and Heavy. This one is a Thin imo. Late in the "Black Label" phase, in 1979, they added 24"s in the Thin Crash and Medium Ride designations and those six weights carried through into the Blue Label phase until the original 602s were discontinued.
When he got the thermogloss kit in very early 1969 it makes sense he got Formula 602s along with it. Ludwig most likely didn't have the Giant Beats in stock yet as they didn't start carrying them in the USA until 1969 but probably not until a little later in the year.
I had an 18" Ludiwg/Paiste cymbal. It sounded pretty good, a bit like an 18" medium 2002 with not as much sustain. I was so afraid to strike it hard as I knew it was old and I just didn't have the heart to hit it the way I do my normal 2002s. Still a fascinating bit of Paiste and Bonham history. You should name your repaired ride cymbal "Chip".
Have you tried shredded newspaper inside the bass drum? Coupled with a power stroke 3, and tuned properly (cranked reso, looser batter) it sounds very very close to Bonzo
I’d say there’s a fairly good chance on the first USA tour he’d have been using some hire stuff/borrowed stuff? Page and Grant had a reputation for being very commercially aware and a lot of European bands on small budgets would hire stuff for USA rather than transport. On that first tour they were doing support spots originally so the budget would have been small?
@@matthedrummer1474 Yes, that is possible. The black diamond kit could have been a rental that John ended up buying , but he did own that kit and gave it to Plant eventually. Robert had it auctioned for charity , and I think it is now owned by the EMP Museum in Seattle / Paul Allen
@@BONHAMOLOGY There was an Oyster type finish Ludwig that went for auction a couple of years back. The auction listing at the time had a photo of Plant with the kit and the auction site were describing it as the kit that was used to record When The Levee Breaks. If that’s true then Page had said a few times that kit was delivered new to Headley Grange at the time. It would be great to get an accurate list of what kits he used in non live situations. I think I’ve seen a photo from Polar Studios that showed a green sparkle Ludwig micced up as well as the Stainless Steel kit.
@@matthedrummer1474 Yes. That is the same BDP kit I was referring to that was auctioned off and won by Paul Allen/EMP museum in Seattle. Bonzo played that kit in Dec 68/Jan 69. I think whoever made that claim that Bonzo used it for Levee (not Plant, must've been whoever wrote the description for the auction) is incorrect. The green sparkles would have been the logical kit to use on the fourth album. I think even Andy Johns said that in an interview.
Awesome and informative! Where can I get the rack tom bass drum mount like yours?? I have a newish Ludwig Classic kit in green sparkle- 24,13,16 and I want that vintage single tom mount and the bass drum cymbal arm mounted on mine. Thanks George!
Very interesting. You'd have to wonder where those cymbals are now. I guess back then they didn't give much importance to these things. Some of them probably ended up back in circulation within the general public. Maybe you've owned a cymbal Bonham played and don't even know it.
I wonder how much "note" swapping with Moonie, Appice, etc. went on. And who he would get his next idea changes for gear from. Like, who had his ear? Great, informative & totally appreciated as always George!
In your opinion is there a difference between 70’s black label 2002’s and the red labels which came out in 81? I think the red label 24 ride sounds heavier than what Bonham used. I’ve heard that the red labels were different. To me it sounds like he’s not using the 2002 ride until Knebworth.
I really think there is a difference , I could be wrong but I thought the black labels sounded just a bit darker. Also, I think you are correct, the 24 was a bit lighter in the '70s then the later issues. I have a 1974 24 ride and it's definitely lighter than later issues. Especially the ones since the 80s. He was using a 2002 24 on the 77 tour, unless he was using a 602. Definitely not a giant beat at that point
Love your playing mate! Closet thing I’ve heard to the man god himself! All the space and touch. Those fills in no quarter! I’ve never heard anyone lay them out like that 🥲 and tea for one..
Great vid. Love how you went into forensic detail on his cymbals. Would be fascinating to see how Bonham's drum kit would have changed in the 1980s. Would he have embraced technology or stuck with his classic setup?
I often wonder if he would've been a bit adventurous. He always was, when you consider he changed shell types, to the latest thing like acrylic, then steel. Then again he may have found what he was comfortable with by 77 and stuck with that. sadly he didn't live very long , just 32 which is relatively very young. When you look at the other drummers of his era, they all kept up to some degree with newer trends, at least in style, and brands. Nick Mason, Ian Paice, Bill Ward, a lot of the funk and fusion guys too.
@@BONHAMOLOGY I've wondered about that myself. I like the idea of him being comfortable with what he was playing by 77 and would have stuck with Ludwig maple.
I have a 22" very small bell- kinda heavy 2002 from 1977 (serial#). Sounds more Van Halen than Bonzo. Thank You for the info and wisdom. I still can't get enough of live Bonzo kick drum!
@@BONHAMOLOGY I had an AVH and it was just too washy as a ride, as a crash it was awesome, I now have a late model 2002 ride and it's not really crashable, too heavy I'm looking for something in between.
@@BONHAMOLOGY I haven't had a chance to play one because nobody around here has one, the reissue 24 2002 ride is good for a ride but has kind of humming aftertones. I also have a fairly recent avedis medium 24 that is on the quiet side and doesn't crash well.
I think it was likely a 602 , unless he had a Giant Beat as well at that time. Pretty much all of the photos I've ever seen throughout 1969 look like a 602 to me
Yes, definitely. These are vintage Gretsch 5 A sticks! I switch up sticks a lot, I often use vintage sticks, Gretsch , ProMark, Ludwig 2B or 2A ( the Bonham stick). I also use newer ProMark 5B often as well.
Great video George! Unrelated question. When Bonham did his drum solo’s and was working the snare drum, was he doing double stroke rolls or basically all single stroke? That was never really delved into.
He did an assortment of singles doubles, paradiddles, paradiddle-diddles....etc. I did a 5 part breakdown of his Royal Albert Hall solo, check my playlists. Thanks!
George, I'm almost positive your 24" Formula 602 is a "Thin" model if it's 3115g. I have a verified preserial 24" Thin (with the stamp still showing at 3 o'clock) in my database that weighs in at a very close 3138g.
Thanks for that. It looks and sounds great. I'm an open handed player, so I'm looking for something no bigger than a 22" to fit my setup. I'd be interested to see your video on the reissues Regards Dave
Great video George! I was told that Bonham first started playing the 2002 for the IV album. From what you are saying, it was after Houses of the Holy. Now, Physical Graffiti has half the songs that were older and the other half were recorded in 1974 at Hedley Grange (according to Wikipedia). So, are you saying that he didn't use the 2002 until the Presence album? I have played Giant Beats and it really sounds like he uses them on I, II, and III. But, IV they sound sharper with more clarity. Any thoughts?
Hi Bill, there is no evidence he played a 2002 until we see the 16 crash in Europe '73 dates, then he has the 2002 18 , 20 and 15 sound edge hats for all of the US '73 and 75 tours. The 2002 24 ride doesn't seem to appear til '77 tour, but he may have had one or more , to use in the studio.
Bill, the 2002s were not even released until late spring/summer in the year of 1971. Unless he was using 2002 prototypes (highly doubtful) those are GBs on Zep IV. Maybe they just recorded or mixed them differently. Seems to me Bonham only went to the 2002s after Paiste stopped making the Giant Beats in 1973. I know he had the 16' 2002 before then probably because there was no 16" GB.
@@billytrance6893 I would say not. I think he must've been using GBs , since that's pretty much exclusively what you see in late 71 and 72 tours. As I said, he didn't use a 2002 live til spring of 73.
They were bought from many different sources, mostly individual sellers, over the course of 30+ years. This new Ludwig Legacy was the first brand new kit I ever bought. I got it direct, ordered from the factory.
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Your boy is wrong about that cutaway on that cymbal, I have been cutting metal and modifying stress cracks and breaks on race cars for 30 years, the WORST thing you can do is create a right angle on a piece of metal, a right angle is the spot where a stress crack or a break is going to happen FIRST Not on a straight or curved edge. I GUARANTEE you if you beat on the spot where that inside right angle is ? It will crack. If it was a straight or curved edge ? It would not .
I just cannot play cymbals that are either dinked, cracked or repaired. They look terrible and look so bad. Just a no no for me. I do respect keeping them alive though,George.
SO , AFTER LOOKING CLOSELY AT PICS FROM 75, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT HE ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GIANT BEAT 24 RIDE FOR THE '75 SHOWS AS WELL. I COULDN'T FIND ONE PHOTO OF THE RIDE WITH A CLEAR PAISTE STAMP UNDERNEATH UNTIL 1977. ALSO THE COLOR, HAMMERING AND BELL SHAPE ALL LOOK LIKE THE GIANT BEAT IN '75 PICS AS WELL. INTERESTING!
Very interesting! So, in the movie "The Song Remains The Same", those cymbals he's using are ALL GB's?
@@billytrance6893 Hey Bill, no...only the Ride is a Giant Beat in the summer US 73 tour, as well as the 1975 tour. The other cymbals are 2002.
It’s hard to beat a 24” Giant Beat
That 24” 602 is so beautiful - rain drops! Thanks so o much, George.
Yes, exactly how I feel!!
That's the sound, from What is, and what should never be, that we're all looking for in our ride sound IMHO 😊
YES!!!
Was hoping you'd enjoy this! 😁
Beautiful cymbals, beautiful drums, beautiful playing!
Thanks Kevin
So when you say "2002 Crash"...you really mean "2002 Medium". I am sure the cymbal seen on Bonham's far right, to the right of his mounted Ride occasionally in the '70's was a 2002 18" Ride...not a Crash. George, your series of these cymbal reviews is so interesting. Thanks! I recently picked up off German eBay a Paiste 18" 2002 Ride. I use it to the right of my 24" Paiste 2002 Ride. I did see it listed on Bonham's Paiste endorsement agreement sheet we see online so much. It's where I got the idea to try one. Love it for steady crashing through a song. Utterly gorgeous sound! Thanks for all you do, Leigh A.
My ride is a 2002 Black Label and it over powers at times. I can't imagine a 24. Great video and history! Thanks George!
Great video. Great information. I just bought new Re issue 2002's. 24,20,18,15 I really like them. Would love to buy some vintage Paiste someday. Nice cymbals George. Thanks for the information.
Excellent content & informative Professor Fludas. Til the next time. Later
Love that Candy Store Rock beat with that crystal clear 2002 bell!
George, thank you for all your research. I find it intriguing and watch your videos from start to finish. I have becoming some what obsessed with John Bonhams playing and your videos, that's how stumbled upon you. Sure glad I found you. Thank you !
Appreciate it ...thanks Kevin.
Also as s guitar player who's come around to drums too, guitar players are toootally just as far down the rabbit hole with their heroes too. Its been very refreshing to uncover how it reflects around an entire bands gear.
Great demo George and of course beautifully played and a joy to listen to. The drums sound so nice too.
You should get a patron, George. We love the content and I'm a handful of people would like to support you taking your time doing this.
I agree, I would like to donate also!
Agree. Your drum covers are my practice tapes.
Thanks guys...PfoZ has a Patreon for extra content but I don't yet. I may start up a page soon.
Fantastic, I am the old Paiste cymbals fanatic so I love this story! 💝
@@piotrwysocki8650 Thanks Piotr, I'm sure you will see the differences between the 602's , GB's
George, the Tom’s sound just like Zep 1…..high and tight. What heads are on them here? Sound is unreal. Great content pal!!
Thanks. The 14 mounted Tom has a Remo Vintage Emperor. The other toms have the stock Ludwog heads which are standard Remo Ambassadors.
Thanks for a great Bonham ride cymbal comparison. Loved it. Back around 1970 as a young drummer in Sydney Australia, I would go to the White Bros. wholesalers, who were , at the time, distributors of both Ludwig and Paiste in Australia. I still have and play my 20" Giant Beat from back then....
That's great!
Man killer killer sound!! You and Mr Keating are my absolute favorites for drum videos on TH-cam!! Keep it up 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thanks!
Great collection! My favorite is the 24" 2002. That sound lives in my mind forever.
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This was fantastic! Iv been thinking cymbal upgrades so this is very informative!
The 602 is my favorite but all those rides sound really good
Incredible how much time all of us Bonzo nuts have spent thinking about this subject. Thanks for doing this. Didn't know much of the history.
I always assumed once Bonzo went to 2002, that was it, he never used anything else, but now that I'm hearing what you're saying and hearing the cymbals side by side, I would not be surprised if Bonzo used the Giant Beat ride on at least on song on Presence and possibly the 602 on another one or two. Hard to say if it's the miking and balance of the mixes, but there definitely seems to be some variety on that record. Could be the case with other Zep records, but hearing the example here and also recalling a listen I had to that record a few months ago, I remembered thinking the cymbals had a different sound to them.
Also, someone send this video to Carmine and see if he remembers anything about the cymbals from the early days?
Yes, that would be cool. I wonder if Bonzo used his Giant Beats during the first US tour.
@@BONHAMOLOGY Same here. Gotta say tho, the biggest, "no kidding?!" on this was that he may have used a Zildjian on the first record.
Quick note: thank you for all you do!!! I’m a guitar player and I practice LZ to your drum covers. Unbelievably helpful!!!
Thanks, glad to hear!
Incredible cymbals! Although it seems thinner than I would imagine with a decent amount of wobble.Sounds Exactly Like bonzo.
Yes, the 602 has a good amount of wobble compared to the GB, even though its heavier.
Peserial 24" 602s came in a variety of weights back then. Paperthin, Thin, Medium and Heavy. This one is a Thin imo. Late in the "Black Label" phase, in 1979, they added 24"s in the Thin Crash and Medium Ride designations and those six weights carried through into the Blue Label phase until the original 602s were discontinued.
@@toddlittle9095 yes, I agree. This one definitely feels more like a thin variety given the weight and flexibility
When he got the thermogloss kit in very early 1969 it makes sense he got Formula 602s along with it. Ludwig most likely didn't have the Giant Beats in stock yet as they didn't start carrying them in the USA until 1969 but probably not until a little later in the year.
Love that wash on that 602 ride!!
Man, those 2002s are really great projection, pretty too!🤤😉😎 great stories and timing too! 👍🏼👊🏼👊🏼
I had an 18" Ludiwg/Paiste cymbal. It sounded pretty good, a bit like an 18" medium 2002 with not as much sustain. I was so afraid to strike it hard as I knew it was old and I just didn't have the heart to hit it the way I do my normal 2002s. Still a fascinating bit of Paiste and Bonham history. You should name your repaired ride cymbal "Chip".
That's a good one! Thanks, Dave.
Have you tried shredded newspaper inside the bass drum? Coupled with a power stroke 3, and tuned properly (cranked reso, looser batter) it sounds very very close to Bonzo
yes, I do use it!!
Great Job Gerorge!! To my knowledge Carmen was playing GB's at the time and lent Bonham his set for the rest of the tour from what I understand.
That's right, I recall hearing that as well. Hmm so maybe he got the 602's for March 69 Europe dates.
I’d say there’s a fairly good chance on the first USA tour he’d have been using some hire stuff/borrowed stuff? Page and Grant had a reputation for being very commercially aware and a lot of European bands on small budgets would hire stuff for USA rather than transport. On that first tour they were doing support spots originally so the budget would have been small?
@@matthedrummer1474 Yes, that is possible. The black diamond kit could have been a rental that John ended up buying , but he did own that kit and gave it to Plant eventually. Robert had it auctioned for charity , and I think it is now owned by the EMP Museum in Seattle / Paul Allen
@@BONHAMOLOGY There was an Oyster type finish Ludwig that went for auction a couple of years back. The auction listing at the time had a photo of Plant with the kit and the auction site were describing it as the kit that was used to record When The Levee Breaks. If that’s true then Page had said a few times that kit was delivered new to Headley Grange at the time. It would be great to get an accurate list of what kits he used in non live situations. I think I’ve seen a photo from Polar Studios that showed a green sparkle Ludwig micced up as well as the Stainless Steel kit.
@@matthedrummer1474 Yes. That is the same BDP kit I was referring to that was auctioned off and won by Paul Allen/EMP museum in Seattle. Bonzo played that kit in Dec 68/Jan 69. I think whoever made that claim that Bonzo used it for Levee (not Plant, must've been whoever wrote the description for the auction) is incorrect. The green sparkles would have been the logical kit to use on the fourth album. I think even Andy Johns said that in an interview.
Great video and analysis!
Thanks!
Great video thanks!
They all sound beautiful. It’s a close tie between the 2002 and giant beat 24” inch but I hear that the giant beat wins.
Awesome and informative! Where can I get the rack tom bass drum mount like yours?? I have a newish Ludwig Classic kit in green sparkle- 24,13,16 and I want that vintage single tom mount and the bass drum cymbal arm mounted on mine.
Thanks George!
Thanks, just look on ebay and Reverb...you have to hunt for them, but they turn up every so often.
great sound
Very interesting. You'd have to wonder where those cymbals are now. I guess back then they didn't give much importance to these things. Some of them probably ended up back in circulation within the general public. Maybe you've owned a cymbal Bonham played and don't even know it.
Yeah, who knows ....its a nice fantasy to think one of these was his!
Damn those would be priceless.
I wonder how much "note" swapping with Moonie, Appice, etc. went on. And who he would get his next idea changes for gear from. Like, who had his ear?
Great, informative & totally appreciated as always George!
TRUE!! Would love to have even anecdotal evidence, stories. Not many out there.
What a jackpot this all was for Ludwig and Paiste. The millions upon millions of dollars they mustve made thanks to Bonham playing their gear.
Oh for sure....and Ringo in the 60's.
My favorite is the giant beat
Muy buen sonido! Cuantas vueltas de tornillo lleva el parche de abajo de la tarola ? Para lograr ese sonido
That 602 is BEAUTIFUL!
But there is just something special about that giant beat
Wow awesome info cheers .love your videos 🎱
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In your opinion is there a difference between 70’s black label 2002’s and the red labels which came out in 81? I think the red label 24 ride sounds heavier than what Bonham used. I’ve heard that the red labels were different. To me it sounds like he’s not using the 2002 ride until Knebworth.
I really think there is a difference , I could be wrong but I thought the black labels sounded just a bit darker. Also, I think you are correct, the 24 was a bit lighter in the '70s then the later issues. I have a 1974 24 ride and it's definitely lighter than later issues. Especially the ones since the 80s. He was using a 2002 24 on the 77 tour, unless he was using a 602. Definitely not a giant beat at that point
Love your playing mate! Closet thing I’ve heard to the man god himself! All the space and touch. Those fills in no quarter! I’ve never heard anyone lay them out like that 🥲 and tea for one..
Thanks so much!
I just graduated from a 20 inch ride to a 22 and its awesome! So this was enjoyable and interesting.
Cool, glad to hear!
Great vid. Love how you went into forensic detail on his cymbals.
Would be fascinating to see how Bonham's drum kit would have changed in the 1980s.
Would he have embraced technology or stuck with his classic setup?
I often wonder if he would've been a bit adventurous. He always was, when you consider he changed shell types, to the latest thing like acrylic, then steel. Then again he may have found what he was comfortable with by 77 and stuck with that. sadly he didn't live very long , just 32 which is relatively very young. When you look at the other drummers of his era, they all kept up to some degree with newer trends, at least in style, and brands. Nick Mason, Ian Paice, Bill Ward, a lot of the funk and fusion guys too.
@@BONHAMOLOGY I've wondered about that myself. I like the idea of him being comfortable with what he was playing by 77 and would have stuck with Ludwig maple.
Can u show us the website u got all of ur stuff from
It's multiple sources, books, photos ....just use google.
I have a 22" very small bell- kinda heavy 2002 from 1977 (serial#). Sounds more Van Halen than Bonzo. Thank You for the info and wisdom. I still can't get enough of live Bonzo kick drum!
Cool! Thanks.
I want a early giant beat 24 inch ride
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How does the 602 compare to the Alex Van Halen model as far as wash goes
I don't know, I've never played one, but I hear the AVH is more similar to the old 2002 24.
@@BONHAMOLOGY I had an AVH and it was just too washy as a ride, as a crash it was awesome, I now have a late model 2002 ride and it's not really crashable, too heavy I'm looking for something in between.
@@timbrown2637 Ah ok. Yeah, It's a little tricky...do you like the reissue Giant Beat 24?
@@BONHAMOLOGY I haven't had a chance to play one because nobody around here has one, the reissue 24 2002 ride is good for a ride but has kind of humming aftertones. I also have a fairly recent avedis medium 24 that is on the quiet side and doesn't crash well.
What ride do you think he was using on Zep II?
I think it was likely a 602 , unless he had a Giant Beat as well at that time. Pretty much all of the photos I've ever seen throughout 1969 look like a 602 to me
Great! Thanks
What sticks are you using. Weight, tip and tip shape all contribute to Cymbal sound as well?
Yes, definitely. These are vintage Gretsch 5 A sticks! I switch up sticks a lot, I often use vintage sticks, Gretsch , ProMark, Ludwig 2B or 2A ( the Bonham stick). I also use newer ProMark 5B often as well.
George which one is the first 24 you sampled?🎩
@@LouTabone-dw6fd Do you mean that I bought?
Great video George! Unrelated question. When Bonham did his drum solo’s and was working the snare drum, was he doing double stroke rolls or basically all single stroke? That was never really delved into.
He did an assortment of singles doubles, paradiddles, paradiddle-diddles....etc. I did a 5 part breakdown of his Royal Albert Hall solo, check my playlists. Thanks!
Didn't you think about welding the crack?
George, I'm almost positive your 24" Formula 602 is a "Thin" model if it's 3115g. I have a verified preserial 24" Thin (with the stamp still showing at 3 o'clock) in my database that weighs in at a very close 3138g.
👍🏻 very cool....yes, I agree
George, can I ask, did you polish the 602 following it's purchase, and if so, what did you use?
Kind regards
Dave
I did not, however, I assume someone did because it almost looked like it was waxed, it looked brand new.
Thanks for that. It looks and sounds great. I'm an open handed player, so I'm looking for something no bigger than a 22" to fit my setup. I'd be interested to see your video on the reissues
Regards
Dave
Great video George! I was told that Bonham first started playing the 2002 for the IV album. From what you are saying, it was after Houses of the Holy. Now, Physical Graffiti has half the songs that were older and the other half were recorded in 1974 at Hedley Grange (according to Wikipedia). So, are you saying that he didn't use the 2002 until the Presence album? I have played Giant Beats and it really sounds like he uses them on I, II, and III. But, IV they sound sharper with more clarity. Any thoughts?
Hi Bill, there is no evidence he played a 2002 until we see the 16 crash in Europe '73 dates, then he has the 2002 18 , 20 and 15 sound edge hats for all of the US '73 and 75 tours. The 2002 24 ride doesn't seem to appear til '77 tour, but he may have had one or more , to use in the studio.
Bill, the 2002s were not even released until late spring/summer in the year of 1971. Unless he was using 2002 prototypes (highly doubtful) those are GBs on Zep IV. Maybe they just recorded or mixed them differently. Seems to me Bonham only went to the 2002s after Paiste stopped making the Giant Beats in 1973. I know he had the 16' 2002 before then probably because there was no 16" GB.
@@toddlittle9095 Interesting. So, is it "safe" to say that from "Houses of the Holy" on he recorded with 2002's?
@@billytrance6893 I would say not. I think he must've been using GBs , since that's pretty much exclusively what you see in late 71 and 72 tours. As I said, he didn't use a 2002 live til spring of 73.
They all sound great, but for me, the giant beat has the fullest sound
I love the GB too, maybe my fav for versatility, but that new 602 is some damn pretty!
Where do you buy your drum kits from?
They were bought from many different sources, mostly individual sellers, over the course of 30+ years. This new Ludwig Legacy was the first brand new kit I ever bought. I got it direct, ordered from the factory.
Your boy is wrong about that cutaway on that cymbal, I have been cutting metal and modifying stress cracks and breaks on race cars for 30 years, the WORST thing you can do is create a right angle on a piece of metal, a right angle is the spot where a stress crack or a break is going to happen FIRST Not on a straight or curved edge.
I GUARANTEE you if you beat on the spot where that inside right angle is ?
It will crack.
If it was a straight or curved edge ?
It would not .
George,we all know Carmine invited Paiste cymbal's along with everything else
😬
Gene Simmons of the drum world
I just cannot play cymbals that are either dinked, cracked or repaired. They look terrible and look so bad. Just a no no for me. I do respect keeping them alive though,George.