it's too bad we never got to find out if or how the Andromeda Initiative was connected to Cerberus or the Illusive Man. It had some decent story/lore build up that led nowhere.
They helped fund the project to help complete it as well as complete the A.I interaction project with money. Put operatives within the humans going to andromeda galaxy in order to use the pathfinder project as a back-up plan in case the Milky Way galaxy fell to the Reapers.
@@jasonleslie203 Andromeda had such great potential for bigger stories. Cora having the last name Harper had great story potential for her having unknowingly or even secret ties to the IM.
After ME2, I had hoped that a power struggle within Cerberus was to be a major plot point. I could see Shepard and Miranda in ME3 having a conversation roughly being that humanity needs a paramilitary spec ops organization like Cerberus but ironically Cerberus is not organization thanks to TIM's excesses. I would have loved a choice to either try and salvage Cerberus with Miranda becoming "The Illusive Woman" or destroy it completely.
That actually would have been really interesting and cool. I could see Miranda and Liara working together to take down Cerberus. Would have been a very interesting storyline for Miranda.
Some of the things Cerberus was doing with something that the alliance should be doing such as the experiments to negate asari biotics we’re talking about a species who is very powerful because all of them are powerful biotics that’s why their army doesn’t use any mechanized forces
Cerberus playing a larger role in ME3 might have made more sense if TIM used the hysteria from the Collector Attacks to ensure that Terra Firma won elections to take a dominant role over the Alliacne Parliament. The subsquent Reaper invasion should then only strengthen their hand so, in ME3, in all the chaos and fear, TIM could control the Systems Alliance by proxy.
Goddamn, that would have been insane!! Although, I have the feeling the Illusive Man would rather the Alliance die then control it, at least I get the feeling. Then again, he did want to control the Reapers, so why not the Alliance as well?
@@TheHulk1850 I don't see why he'd destroy the Alliance if he had the chance to just own it himself. The Alliance is just a political tool. What matters is who it is wielded.
They could've also been an antagonist faction with there own agenda but they could've been like the renegade way of gathering resources. And perhaps they have there own missions and decisions that be helpful or an detriment to the other alien races. Then the player has to make the difficult choices or eithering helping them out, or ignoring them, or balancing the two sides. What bioware did instead was disappointing.
I wish Cerberus had been given the respect it deserves and had been developed as an antihero org. instead of being gutted and turned into the 1D villains they were in ME3, I actually really liked them in ME1 and ME2, mysterious and strictly business
Gavin Archer, David Archer's brother, and Kelly Chambers served as the yeoman to Commander Shepherd in ME2 were also among those who defected from Cerberus
Charles Sericino the leader of the Terra Firma party that you actually meet in Mass Effect 1 was placed in control of the party by Cerberus by assassinating the previous leader of the party so that the party supported more of what Cerberus' ideals where.
No. It needed to die, the moment they tried to sell you magic by calling it element zero. It really needed to die, when they tried to sell you on weapons that needed to cool down; such weapons are as likely to melt your face off as kill the enemy. And when they made that caricature of a politician Udina, they should have outright shot the program. No. You don't need more mass effect shit. You need to get your head out of your ass and see the franchise for what it is. Shit!
@@tomosprey8 For me to start poking holes in ME, I would have to dedicate a 50 hour video of me just playing. For me to explain the problems as they arise, I would turn that 50 hour video into at least 300 hours. That is how fraught with problems the first game is. The second game is loaded with crap that's nearly equally as maddening. The third game is giant space ticks destroying sentient life one laser beam at a time. You'd think that after however many times they've done this, they'd be a smidge more efficient at it. But no matter, you can walk your lazy ass to the conduit while jerking off at harbinger, he will ignore you. It's a 30 hour game, 5 of which are loading screens, most of that is at the citadel. Javik summed up the entire series best, let me paraphrase... "Leaving the fate of the galaxy in the hands of a pack of women, was an epic fail!"
Cinematic Illusive Man looks like Michael Fassbender. It would be cool if the Mass Effect universe reclaimed its glory with a film about the first contact war, featuring Jack Harper as the main character.
Cerberus is still less hateful than the Alliance, however they got the worst agenda possible. The bullet whose I hit that not-so-Illusive-dude is my favorite in the whole story.
Having read all the books, comics and passed all 3 parts of the Mass Effect, my attitude to The Illusive Man and Cerberus can be described: "Neutral, mixed with disgust". I understand the goals and motives of this organization, to elevate and protect humanity, but the way they try to achieve it I hate, especially after what The Illusive Man has done to Paul Grayson, their experiments on people and not only and the study of Reaper technology where they subsequently indoctrination The Illusive Man. I understand why they did it, but I do not accept it. I have no hatred for Cerberus or The Illusive Man, I just have a neutral-disgust for him and his organization.
Cerberus always seemed like it wants to be O.N.I. from HALO buy doesn’t have as much power or impact as ONI. Especially considering O.N.I. has major sway within the U.N.S.C and keep control of a majority of everything common citizens see or hear. And even if you think you are ahead of them they are a hundred steps ahead of you and will make you disappear to go insane in Midnight Facility.
3:07 so i actually went back when ME3 came out and worked out just how many agents Cerberus would have had and while i have since lost that info as its been a long time i worked it out as been about 200 ish maybe 300 people at the most, this and the fact we know that restoring Shepard and building the SR2 nearly bankrupted the organization makes the events of ME3 even more odd were did they get the manpower to build FLEETS of ships and the crew to man them? the SR2 has something like a crew of 62 to 80 if all stations are manned as we have a small security team on board (we dont see that many ingame as im guessing its working on a skeleton crew)
You are also not even factoring in all the losses Cerberus took in ME2 such as Lazarus, Overlord, and the Derelict Reaper. Then there are the events of the novel "Retribution", where the turians launch a raid that destroys several Cerberus bases/stations, arrests or kills dozens of agents and spies, and shuts down several front companies and bank accounts. In the novel, near the end, TIM even speculates to himself that it could take him more than a decade to rebuild all he has lost and he specifically thinks that he projects an image of Cerberus being big and all knowing to protect it, but in reality it is tiny by galactic standards and cannot suffer these losses for long.
@@RaycloudWhich I think it was ridiculous in ME3 that they somehow think they could conduct a Coup against the Citadel council the three races with the biggest fleets in the galaxy and they expect there governments to just fall in line because they killed or kidnapped the council?
The dig on MEA is terrible. As MEA was not terrible. Yet it was poorly handled by both Bioware and EA. It would have been a far better game. If Bioware didn't pull pretty much everyone off MEA to work on the trash fire that is now Anthem. Yet Bioware is doing it again. Instead of fixing their game with all hands on deck. They are pulling people off to work on another IP (Which is another Dragon Age title...and we know that will be shit too). MEA had some good qualities to it. Even though there are some little moments in the game they really did force into the narrative
it's too bad we never got to find out if or how the Andromeda Initiative was connected to Cerberus or the Illusive Man. It had some decent story/lore build up that led nowhere.
Obviously they funded it, probably filled it with members too. Such a waste that game.
Those we some of the only missions in that game that got me genuinely excited. Just to end in Ryder family BS.
They helped fund the project to help complete it as well as complete the A.I interaction project with money. Put operatives within the humans going to andromeda galaxy in order to use the pathfinder project as a back-up plan in case the Milky Way galaxy fell to the Reapers.
@@jasonleslie203 Andromeda had such great potential for bigger stories. Cora having the last name Harper had great story potential for her having unknowingly or even secret ties to the IM.
What is the identity of The Benefactor????????????????
After ME2, I had hoped that a power struggle within Cerberus was to be a major plot point. I could see Shepard and Miranda in ME3 having a conversation roughly being that humanity needs a paramilitary spec ops organization like Cerberus but ironically Cerberus is not organization thanks to TIM's excesses. I would have loved a choice to either try and salvage Cerberus with Miranda becoming "The Illusive Woman" or destroy it completely.
That actually would have been really interesting and cool. I could see Miranda and Liara working together to take down Cerberus. Would have been a very interesting storyline for Miranda.
It all makes sense now....Andromeda was a black ops project and a cruel experiment.
LONG LIVE MASS EFFECT 2!
Some of the things Cerberus was doing with something that the alliance should be doing such as the experiments to negate asari biotics we’re talking about a species who is very powerful because all of them are powerful biotics that’s why their army doesn’t use any mechanized forces
I see but wouldn’t it be against all hip tifa not just asari
Cerberus playing a larger role in ME3 might have made more sense if TIM used the hysteria from the Collector Attacks to ensure that Terra Firma won elections to take a dominant role over the Alliacne Parliament. The subsquent Reaper invasion should then only strengthen their hand so, in ME3, in all the chaos and fear, TIM could control the Systems Alliance by proxy.
Goddamn, that would have been insane!! Although, I have the feeling the Illusive Man would rather the Alliance die then control it, at least I get the feeling. Then again, he did want to control the Reapers, so why not the Alliance as well?
@@TheHulk1850 I don't see why he'd destroy the Alliance if he had the chance to just own it himself. The Alliance is just a political tool. What matters is who it is wielded.
They could've also been an antagonist faction with there own agenda but they could've been like the renegade way of gathering resources. And perhaps they have there own missions and decisions that be helpful or an detriment to the other alien races. Then the player has to make the difficult choices or eithering helping them out, or ignoring them, or balancing the two sides. What bioware did instead was disappointing.
I wish Cerberus had been given the respect it deserves and had been developed as an antihero org. instead of being gutted and turned into the 1D villains they were in ME3, I actually really liked them in ME1 and ME2, mysterious and strictly business
if only the illusive man had provided more money for the facial animations in Andromeda
It made his face tired.
“Do you know how it feels to have threshermaw venom in your veins?”
After that I knew Cerberus didn’t care about saving lives.
So... how's that third breath of your life going?
Okay, I'll save everyone about ten millennia and explain that I was calling you slower than shit.
@@seand.g423 why
"Corporal Toombs??? Is that you???"
Gavin Archer, David Archer's brother, and Kelly Chambers served as the yeoman to Commander Shepherd in ME2 were also among those who defected from Cerberus
I imagine the Global Maritime Justice Organization is something like the HSA's JAG unit.
Fantastic video in the lore of ME2. One that not everybody appreciates.
Fantastic video. You gained a new subscriber & looking forward to future Mass Effect/other series videos
Charles Sericino the leader of the Terra Firma party that you actually meet in Mass Effect 1 was placed in control of the party by Cerberus by assassinating the previous leader of the party so that the party supported more of what Cerberus' ideals where.
Okay, i need to play Mass Effect 2 again. The game is awesome.
The mass effect Galaxy needs to continue. More games, a TV show, something.
No. It needed to die, the moment they tried to sell you magic by calling it element zero. It really needed to die, when they tried to sell you on weapons that needed to cool down; such weapons are as likely to melt your face off as kill the enemy. And when they made that caricature of a politician Udina, they should have outright shot the program.
No. You don't need more mass effect shit. You need to get your head out of your ass and see the franchise for what it is. Shit!
If we are going to start poking holes in sci-fi for not being realistic enough there would be no end.
@@tomosprey8
For me to start poking holes in ME, I would have to dedicate a 50 hour video of me just playing. For me to explain the problems as they arise, I would turn that 50 hour video into at least 300 hours. That is how fraught with problems the first game is.
The second game is loaded with crap that's nearly equally as maddening.
The third game is giant space ticks destroying sentient life one laser beam at a time. You'd think that after however many times they've done this, they'd be a smidge more efficient at it. But no matter, you can walk your lazy ass to the conduit while jerking off at harbinger, he will ignore you. It's a 30 hour game, 5 of which are loading screens, most of that is at the citadel. Javik summed up the entire series best, let me paraphrase...
"Leaving the fate of the galaxy in the hands of a pack of women, was an epic fail!"
@@clintcarpentier2424 i take it your your fun at parties
@@soarin64
What do parties have to do with anything?
Cinematic Illusive Man looks like Michael Fassbender. It would be cool if the Mass Effect universe reclaimed its glory with a film about the first contact war, featuring Jack Harper as the main character.
He's actually voiced and modeled after Martin Sheen
Love it all please keep the ME stuff coming
Humanity first!
Amazing & informative, thnx!
Cereberus as antiheros in me4 please
Andromeda was funded by Cerberus? Now everything makes sense!
Section 31 approves
😂😂😂
Cerberus is still less hateful than the Alliance, however they got the worst agenda possible. The bullet whose I hit that not-so-Illusive-dude is my favorite in the whole story.
I’ve never played a single minute of mass effect and this is awesome
Sim Lucien you're missing out! The first game didn't age too well, but the story is still amazing!
"You sure that's a good thing?" Hell no.
By humans, for humans.
but the Illusive Man was right afterall
I love that people still smoke in the future
To be fair, the cancers and lung disease from smoking were probably dealt with by that time
Lets be real here. We all know that Cerberus is just another one of Hydras Ventures. Now yell together with the illusive man: HAIL HYDRA!
Absolutely love Cerberus from the beginning. I am so on board for human supremacy. #humanityfirst
Having read all the books, comics and passed all 3 parts of the Mass Effect, my attitude to The Illusive Man and Cerberus can be described: "Neutral, mixed with disgust". I understand the goals and motives of this organization, to elevate and protect humanity, but the way they try to achieve it I hate, especially after what The Illusive Man has done to Paul Grayson, their experiments on people and not only and the study of Reaper technology where they subsequently indoctrination The Illusive Man. I understand why they did it, but I do not accept it. I have no hatred for Cerberus or The Illusive Man, I just have a neutral-disgust for him and his organization.
Cerberus was right.
Cerberus always seemed like it wants to be O.N.I. from HALO buy doesn’t have as much power or impact as ONI. Especially considering O.N.I. has major sway within the U.N.S.C and keep control of a majority of everything common citizens see or hear. And even if you think you are ahead of them they are a hundred steps ahead of you and will make you disappear to go insane in Midnight Facility.
3:07 so i actually went back when ME3 came out and worked out just how many agents Cerberus would have had and while i have since lost that info as its been a long time i worked it out as been about 200 ish maybe 300 people at the most, this and the fact we know that restoring Shepard and building the SR2 nearly bankrupted the organization makes the events of ME3 even more odd were did they get the manpower to build FLEETS of ships and the crew to man them? the SR2 has something like a crew of 62 to 80 if all stations are manned as we have a small security team on board (we dont see that many ingame as im guessing its working on a skeleton crew)
You are also not even factoring in all the losses Cerberus took in ME2 such as Lazarus, Overlord, and the Derelict Reaper. Then there are the events of the novel "Retribution", where the turians launch a raid that destroys several Cerberus bases/stations, arrests or kills dozens of agents and spies, and shuts down several front companies and bank accounts. In the novel, near the end, TIM even speculates to himself that it could take him more than a decade to rebuild all he has lost and he specifically thinks that he projects an image of Cerberus being big and all knowing to protect it, but in reality it is tiny by galactic standards and cannot suffer these losses for long.
@@RaycloudWhich I think it was ridiculous in ME3 that they somehow think they could conduct a Coup against the Citadel council the three races with the biggest fleets in the galaxy and they expect there governments to just fall in line because they killed or kidnapped the council?
So this basically Deus Ex of ME universe
Section 31, the elusive men is the spitting image of Sloan.
Actually, Jack Harper: AKA: The Illusive Man, is a spitting image of a young version of his voice actor, Martin Sheen
Andromeda good. LOL. :D
Still gutted that Shepherd (especially a renagade Shep) doesn't start calling The Illusive Man "Tim" with a deeply sarcastic tone.
Cerberus may have backed Andromeda...I mean I knew they were evil but that's just...
Cerberus was a neat idea but it's portrayal and concept in the Mass Effect games is too inconsistently written and utilized.
The dig on MEA is terrible. As MEA was not terrible. Yet it was poorly handled by both Bioware and EA. It would have been a far better game. If Bioware didn't pull pretty much everyone off MEA to work on the trash fire that is now Anthem. Yet Bioware is doing it again. Instead of fixing their game with all hands on deck. They are pulling people off to work on another IP (Which is another Dragon Age title...and we know that will be shit too). MEA had some good qualities to it. Even though there are some little moments in the game they really did force into the narrative
It was just a fucking boring game.
So we have the Illusive Man to blame for that terrible game.
It’s a shame how boring Andromeda was. ME needs to go back to the Milky Way.