The RTO Vibrato Solves the Solid Body Guitar Problem
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0:00 the Big Idea
1:10 What’s a great vibrato
3:00 Feel vs Bigsby
4:17 Tuning Stability
5:03 Adjustments
6:02 Flaws & Price - เพลง
I think you've gotten a couple things wrong. Bigsbys are a balance system just like any other vibrato system(mechanical ones anyway). Most Steinberger trems use compression springs, Parker used compression springs(not coil, but still compression) in the fly trem, this has very little to do with why Bigbys feel different.
The main reason is leverage. The strings are wrapping around a tiny rod, which means they move less than most other systems. This limits the range, but it also means it takes less force to move it the same amount.
The other reason(which is somewhat subtle) is that it moves the string consistently. Bigbys will move the string the same amount per degree of arm movement, while a Fender trem will move it more the further you dive.
Good points and thanks for your corrections.
Everyone forgets about the stetsbar as a non destructive mounting type vibrato. Very good vibratos
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😂 he is smooth with it when he decides to be humorous!
@@ZiwaHD The cheeky professor humor
Sounds like Les Paul to me 😂
@@_-_Michael_-_Not in person. I’ve played it, and it plays and sounds like a Tele until you grab that bar. 🤣
For those wondering, at this time (july 12th 2024) the price i found for these vibratos online is 500-600 usd
That's my guitar + fx pedal 😂
Dammit
@Marta1Buck, you mean my guitar, amp,looper pedal and what ??
Maybe we can hope for an import version . . . . ?
Yeah, I figured this wasn't going to be cheap. I thought about ordering a Kahler 2400 Tremolo to install on a bass until I looked up the price
So, in the spirit of this channel (ergonomics).
Lately, I've been playing on my Jackson RR a lot. I've found that the shorter wing on the bottom is perfect for resting the guitar, creates the perfect playing angle for playing in the classical position, which I prefer.
I don't know if you've ever played one of those, and knowing you, you might not like the guitar overall 😅.
But I thought I should mention it anyway.
This reminds me somewhat of the washburn wonderbar vibrato. It had a similar boast of "installing on everything" but died out quickly.
(P.S, where did the Vegatrem VT2 Video go?)
I was thinking the same, it looks a lot like a wonderbar without fine tuners. I also notice that it looks to be machined from a billet rather than cast.
The Duesenberg Les Trem II is a great option for Les Pauls, SGs and ES type guitars as long as it has a stop bar and a tail piece. No need to add screws or anything, just swap the tail piece for it and you're good to go!
Indeed
The spring on a Les Trem gets in the way of your hand if you play near the bridge or palm-mute the treble strings, at least with the usual Gibbo spacing between tailpiece and bridge. I tried one on my LP, took it right off and went with a Bigsby on a Vibramate.
Edit: Even the Vibramate mount is a little annoying because it raises the Bigsby up several millimeters, but still gets in the way less for me than the spring on the Les Trem.
Second Edit: On the other hand, if you play with your hand farther forward than I do, or if the guitar has more space between the bridge and tailpiece than a typical LP does (such as on a Rivolta), then the Les Trem is likely to work just fine.
did you forget he did an entire review on the les trem?
I saw that the Les trem comes with washers? and screws,what are they used for?
@@nicksonthevet The screws are there to replace the existing ones for the stop tailpiece-they give you both US and Metric. They go directly into the existing holes for the tailpiece, no additional drilling required. They give you different screws because the ones for the original stop tailpiece have a raised, unthreaded section for the stopbar to hook to, that would stick up and get in the way if you used them for the Les Trem.
The washers are there to help protect the top by raising the Les Trem slightly, to make sure the middle of the Les Trem doesn’t touch the top of the guitar, especially if the top is arched a little as it is on a Les Paul. You may or may not need them depending on your guitar.
Happy to see new innovations in the guitar space and you demo'd it extremely well.
You should try the Stetsbar tremolo bridge, it's pretty cool!
I second this. The stetsbar is less expensive and doesn’t look anywhere near as ridiculous as this thing
I constantly forget that stetsbar trems exist!! Based on price alone, I'd do one of those over this without question.
@@MagmoormasterI’ve tested them, not even close in performance. RTO slays it.
@@Magic97527 I'm sure it does but at nearly 3 times the cost I'd be hard pressed to buy the RTO. Especially if I'm putting it on a more affordable guitar.
Reminds me of a Washburn Wonder Bar.
I’ve always thought that the type of person that owns a classic style of guitar would not be a fan of all these new style products. Kind of ironic considering guitarist back then would kill to have all the gadgets we have today.
i dont think it'll be a hit with most of that side of the guitar community but i'd imagine a sizeable portion would kill to have this or even for hollow body guitars i've seen people wishing there was something to get around that
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So, it's a washburn wonderbar copy. The wonderbar wasn't great, so I wonder how this compares.
WAY better!
I just saw a Sawtooth tele, with a Floyd, and both single and humbucking pickups, so 5 pickups lol, I want it
That sounds on brand 😂
Time for a Troublemaker Tele review and slap this on. 😁 I kinda dig the design on this, too. Very automotive-esque, like an engine part or something.
Have you not heard of stetsbar? Stetsbar was invented specifically to be a trem addition to les pauls and teles without any body routing or drilling needed.
Les trem II is also a no mod alternative but it's closer in behavior to a bigsby
I will say I think I like this design better than either of those vibrato systems.
I prefer a stiff vibrato as I only use it for surf music and dark rockabilly which doesn't require a great range.
I would like a vibrato on my Telecaster without routing it, however, I suspect this will be nearly the price of the guitar and so a Bigsby will go on my Telecaster should I decide to pull the trigger.
Does it allow the player to drop tune the 6th string while playing? When drop tuning do you keep the floating? Or if not possible, then can you set it in such way that it goes downwards only? I'd love to see a more in depth video about it and such particular questions. I'm curious how would it compare to the FRX Tremolo, bigger pull range obviously, but what about other stuff? :)
The Floyd FRX is also an effective top mount option. It’s easier to set up than a regular Floyd, has a huge range and I’ve found it very stable, nearly as good as my Sofia 2.0. Design wise the FRX looks best on Explorers and V’s IMHO, though for Telescope and LP’s I really do like this new system. As for cost, if you can afford it then who cares about the cost. If you can’t you’re not really an aftermarket term guy anyway are you?
Great vid Andre! Thank you.
It looks.. cool.. and it fits with the Telly aesthetic
but will have to see (and try) one in the wild
also, I think I will have trouble justifying a trem on my Telly as I'm basically a fixed bridge player except for a Floyd Rose on my 90s hair metal Charvel in neon sinus-inflammation-snot yellow (which is a pain in the rear as FRs go, but I grew accustomed to it 🤷🏻♂️)
I wonder how single string bends effect the tuning of other strings? Looks like it is very well made and may be the best option out there.
I recommend Andre to test TremKing tremolo/vibrato system.
How does it compare to a Stetsbar?
Dude this thing just looks like a non locking version of a Washburn wonderbar
The RTO tremolo was awarded its own U.S. Patent number. I've seen the patent of a Wonderbar. I've owned a Wonderbar. It is an excessively complicated design and essentially what killed it.
Vigier Les Paul review video please
Does it solve the three body problem though?
Nope. Hopefully no one comes for us in our lifetime.
Oh you cheeky git
Duesenberg Les trem?!
Though this is not for me, it is pretty damn cool.
It's just me or that vibrato system it's like the Washburn's Wonderbar
Vegatrem. 😉
Will it chug?
It’s $600
At around $600 for 1 of these, it does not quite solve the problem! Still would rather just have a strat.
I mean it looks like they’re made by a dude. In a garage. With non programmed machinery… so ehh… I’d say pricing is a lot more reasonable than Floyd Rose. And would come down quite a bit if mass produced.
@5:21 we can see the break angle of the strings over the E & A saddles are almost non existent... Add to that the large clunky appearance, and I'll have to pass. It is nice to see someone attempting to improve the standard designs however ;)
Only a 5 ounce weight gain over stock Tele and bolting one on will make your Tele sound like you're playing through a better amp. At 5 points of string contact per string and reasonable mass, you will notice an immediate difference. Excellent tone and sustain.
I would not put that ugly thing on my guitar!