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Defense Against the Zwerch Copter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.พ. 2023
- Here are a couple of methods to defeat a popular technique used in HEMA tournaments and freeplay. The popular name “Zwerch Copter” is derived from the mastercut known as a zwerchau, or crosswise strike.
In the video: Eric White and Shane Brown.
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I feel called out by the phrase "Zwerch Copter".
Imho you forgot two of the easiest counters:
1. If his hands are in front of his head instead of above (which most 'copterfencers do), just follow the "hands are candy" rule and grab the hands with your off hand. This is similar to the "push the hands with the sword", but I find it to have a much higher success rate.
2. If they're doing the 'copter at longer distance, a simple krump also handles the situation rather well as that stops them from being able to keep cutting.
... a krump?
Show us a video of you making this
@@sunrisejackdaw1779 krumphau, idk if it would work the way he's saying it would but its like a zwerchau but going vertically instead of horizontally
I find that in full gear at full speed the slice the arms counter to zwerhau is veeeeeeery difficult as just pressing the blade on their wrists isn't much of a deterrent as it might be with sharps. Jumping away with a fast retreat and cutting the arms I find works really well
There are quite a few ways to respond to the zwerch copter. And yes, full gear inhibits the partner from sometimes feeling a wrist cut. However, if your goal is to reconstruct the historical art, it’s important to remember that blossfechten would not include the heavy gloves or the fencing mask. Therefore, with the intention of reconstruction in mind, a school or club should certainly incorporate what’s shown in this video.
@@EricWhiteNJHFA I agree, I only mention as at the start of the video you say the zwercopter is a very popular technique in tournaments
I find it helps to think of the press on the wrist not just as a slice to _deter_ by damaging the arms but also, in fact more, a lever action that makes it _impossible_ to throw the zwerchau, by pushing the opponent's arms out of position for the technique -- too low and/or too far to the side (as at 3:08) -- and perhaps straight up shoving the opponent off balance. When you get your strong on the opponent's wrists you're pretty much wrestling so it's time to bully them a bit.
@@coreyyanofsky Absolutely 100%
Well zwer vs zwer does work in full gear, however it happens often as simple parry-riposte vs redoublement: fencer A attacks with schiessen or oberhaw, fencer B parries with versetzen / kron / zornhaw and the ripostes with zwerhaw, countering A's zwerhaw redoublement. I will be showing example of such situation in sparring.
The main thing is not to be afraid, it seems to me. thanks for the video
Great vid Eric!
Magnificent advice.
at 3:56 - your best bet there is to do a Mutieren, it pins their blade if you catch it as their cut comes in, and if they force back it makes attacking them either to hands (abshneiden) or to the head with a zwerch to their head on their right side (ie a left zwerch with the true edge) to their head super easy if they attempt to cut around while you are pinning them with the Mutieren.
Wonderful vid! Very helpful
Nicely done
Excellent stuff! Subscribed.
Great vid!
Good video!
Anakin vs Obiwan reenactment moment
Great Video! Does Shane have a Replica of the Witchking's sword?!
What about pressing the hands and finishing with a slice to the wrists?
Great!
Good presentation. I love the options. But I have had much better success with a nachrissen that ends in a hanging high Shielhau planted at the chest. This physically stops the opponent hands from rotating to the other side and covers their line of attack with your blade. Plus the judges can see your point planted much easier than a push cut to the lower arms.
3:45 I was taught to the stifle first so it slows down opponent enough to do the first technique.
Nice!
What about double hits?
It looks to me (total amateur) as if at least the second answer would generate doubles?
Or did I miss something?
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hello im a sword noob but could you duck and thrust, or is that two risky? It reminds me when someone is throwing a bunch of hooks, you duck the hook and counter. Awesome vid and very smooth techniques!
Swords are much quicker than human body and your opponent can adjust his strike, if he is quick enough, so yeah, this will be extremely risky.
@Joshua_Maciel It's one risky whiskey!
you can there is a very classic fencing move just for that called the passat but you are more likely to see a passat in the olympics than at a hema club.
The reason this dumbest if dumb techniques is so popular is that people aren't reading the sources.
Your Nachreisen is a "Oberer Schnitt" btw, which is the sources go to counter to an opponent doing this.
I am sorry, this is wrong. 1) Why do you parry his Zwerhaws, when he is obviously too short? If you had to to parry it, it would be because he was
much closer. 2) Distance is everything. On your demostrations he cannot reach you. If you were closer, as I wrote in 1), you would cause a doublehit by your counterzwer. Proper solution how to stop Zwercopter is run away and shoot his hands, arms, elbows. Proper solution how to stop one Zwerhaw, is Bruchen. Technique when after first parry on your left side you shoot your short edge to his left shoulder and raise your hand as possible. It will hurt him doubletime. First by your blow, second by his own blow.
This is correct
As a Fiorist i guess i would parry the first and go out (to the side) with a hand cut to the hands/forearm (or whatever i can reach). Since when he leaves the cross/bind he presents no threat, so good timing is the essence. most of the times it works, unless i'm in a limited space, in that case parry-halfswording/wrestling whatever.
These are literally from historical manuscripts. Are you saying those are wrong? Or just their presentation?
The first thing you did is the easiest counter, just close to grapple.
If there was professional sound I would have watched it
главное, не бояться, как мне кажется. спасибо за ролик