I don't understand why Raven is rated so poorly so often. He has a df1 that tracks both directions, armored heat engager, strong oki, strong full crouch mix, evasion, amazing heat smash on hit and block(+14 into soulzone mix), i14 ws launcher, 8f bt jab, +on hit lows... The only thing i feel like he lacks is a standing 15 frame launcher. What am i missing? What is Raven missing?
His tool kit and game plan isn't str8 forward so its hard to show his strengh plus he isn't as oppressive as other characters. You kinda have to swing into him unless he is full crouch mixing you which is harder since everyone is mashing in this game
not rly, its just many dont play her you have guys like kirakira playing her and beating jdcr in a tournament as well as blackheart who mains her (player with the highest tekken prowess) who is permanently saying jun is no way near bottom 5 he personally feels the char is rly rly good, just a good low away from being broken
I see, I thought Jun is meant to be played more like a defensive character than most of the cast, and that could have been a reason why she's seen as low-tier in a game like Tekken 8. Glad she hasn't suffered the Kazumi treatment, they overdone it for her in 7 imo. I'll watch Kirakira, thanks for the name I was searching for a good Jun to watch !
@@suyata_samsara dont know how frequently kirakira streams but he, aswell as blackheart, is a european player (dunno if your from us bec of timezones) but blackheart59_ streams daily on twitch
Normaly you have to make 5 lists. Beginner, starter, intermediet, pro, god. Cause lars is pretty good for starters against Starters but trash in pro and god ranks
You can tell his viewers are either low ranks, delusional or biased, Lars Raven and Leroy bottom five while Devil Jin and Jun are lower lmao, and Lidia in bottom 😂
Lars desperately needs changes in his neutral or make his stances transitions a tad faster because he still does not participate in Tekken 8 meta, he is stuck in T7. Please harada give his old df2 back or atleast make his den 2 knockdown on normal hit with guaranteed follow up or make his b1 knockdown on ch again, Lars is not threatening enough yet
I agree with Lars. He just a buffed up T7 character and no where near T8 status. He needs his old WS 21 counter hit launcher, B1 counter hit or his old df2. Lars is back at the bottom once again like he was in T7
Facts 😂 dude has no viable strings, terrible lows and his so called gimmicks don't work even in orange rank 😂. Us devil jin mains pretty much rely on turtling because every attack that gets blocked we lose our turn and have no way of winning up close fights because of how slow he is. Azucena at lest has evasive movement decent strings and pretty solid gimmicks and a better overall parry system than devil jin. And can actually gain momentum to keep an opponent guessing. Devil jin is an open book you already know what to expect electric and hell sweep those are your only threats.
@@fgdgfgfff887 I feel you on that man currently right now I'm trying to pick up some solid alternatives, like bryan fury he always been a fav character of mine but I didn't put near as much time into him like I did devil jin over the years since T5. The only characters I really care about is DJ, the mishimas, marduk and bryan. But DJ ranks well above all of them.
@@Rius9106agree, honestly I think what makes Devil Jin terrible are not his lows, they’re pretty good. Ofc demon paw is basically unusable, and I feel his poking is weak, he needs a fast slightly harder hitting mid. I would do 3 changes: 1. Make demon paw same as Kazuya 2. Make his DF 1 2 mid mid 3. Make his heat smash have more range, make it side steppable (the range nerf and tracking nerf was too much)
I’m not sure why everyone places ling in the top when she never has anything to show for it. She’s a pretty bad character at the end of the day outside of heat, especially when she has so many kryptonite characters like Jun, Jack, Hwoarang, Leo, Leroy, Lars, Zaf etc. She’s bottom of the pack.
As a Xiaoyu main I believe it's because of her defensive kit. I will say she's usually overrated, but when the xiaoyu player knows the matchup very well it's hard to even touch her. Her threat potential goes up astronomically with the level of the player
This. As much as i (and everyone) hate ling, she like never had a successful tournament run even though every cc and their mom putting her in S or A tier
@@Hachijo3GS You don't get it. You like Mishima characters because of their high execution status. I like characters from the Mishima family because elemental electricity is my religion. We are not the same. Personally I think that if Lars makes someone cringe but Reina doesn't, that person is a simp and possibly mentally ill (I'm being hyperbolic lol). Anyway, I really like Lars conceptually. His personality and attitude are very cool, he's the least toxic person in his family, and his catchphrase "There's nothing you can do to stop me" is inspirational in part thanks to that look he gives you when he says it.
Thats why you never listen to the community of this game. Drag and Nina higher than Jin while Law is just upper tier? Leo with his high crushes, free mixups and free launchers is mid tier?Paul and Lee mid tier? Why Kazuya so low? Gotta remember that most of the player base are red and purple ranks and most of them listen to a schizo swedish blogger
Only twitch chat would have the mental capacity to think Paul is mid tier, let alone “upper tier”. That character has been dead in this game. No shit you never see him in tournaments.
paul was in grand final in the latest japan dojo tournament and won the reset gainst matsuba on feng/drag. char isnt dead hes still good and at least mid tier
Paul's Upper, no bullshit. He just requires you have Fundamentals. But real Fundamentals, like Sidestepping after every Poke, and paying attention to when your Opponent takes the Mash or the Sidestep after your Pressure. Real Fundamentals like walking your Opponent down and forcing them closer and closer to the Wall and not backing up if you don't have to. This is what Anakin means when he says: "You just can't play basic." Most people don't have Fundamentals. I've beaten *MANY* Supremes who have very little. They can just play their positions and are good at Timing.
@@kylefields3951 yeah, well at least pre his buffs. now after the buffs with all his stance cancel stuff hes more a mixup char like victor that has you guessing what he's gonna do than before, where he still was good but was more straight up
Personally think Nina is top 1. King should be lower. He has obvious counter play and the nerf to his grabs leaves him with poor tracking. Lili should be higher. Her movement and pressure is almost game breaking. I think Kaz should be higher too. Everything else looks good to me. Nice list.
Jack does not belong above eddy lidia lee or jun imo, jack seems borderline useless against half the cast your basically risking your life for little ass pokes that people just disrespect your frame with heat or the insane powercrushes some characters have and then they get to mix you for a minute straight cuz jack cant step shit dont get launched btw with all that chip and preassure you are eating, youll most likely dead if you do.
His gimmicks are actually good now 😂 and he gets some insane damage, so pretty much everything that made him hard but fun back in the day are now viable options in an everyday match with very little risk but a great reward.
@@brandonspringfield2861oh no the risk is very much still there, he just has a better pay out in this game and does more damage. Most of his moves are negative and alot of them also can get floated, he's still a risky character
@@SrKimori except he's not. Feng, Nina, Jin, Leroy, raven, xiaoyu, Alisa, even Steve can all really accel at defense, evasion and offense, and I'm not even naming all the characters. Yoshi is one of the best defensive characters in the game no doubt easily top 5 defensive tools, but he struggles to get in and be offensive which is much easier to do in Tekken 8 than defending, that's the trade off
yoshi is def top5, more like top3. he is dealing way too much dmg for his gimmicky stuff he has. the fact he turns every situation from -8 to 0 into a mind game with tools like flash for -4 to 0 and his spin making you whiff even tho the opp is +4 to +8. or the infamous yoshi hopkick which for some godforsaken reason sometimes evades mids
@@h4b3e1n9b0Rn idk never really had a problem with Yoshi in high ranked lol just gotta be more patient then other characters or your gonna eat a flash 😂
@@RuTo94 its not the "being patient" its fact you gotta fundamentally play another game against yoshi bec the permanent fear / respect for flash is there. it just feels like if he doesnt do total unsafe shit that puts him -10 or you hit him with sth that puts you at least +10 its mostly yoshi favoured bec either you take your frames but risk getting blown up or you give up your frames and the yoshi got away with it
@@OmniManEmpire Eddy was always awful in T8 and Devil Jin was gutted like an extra in a slasher movie. Xiaoyu is a Top 10 character. Panda isn’t total garbage, but there’s no reason to use her since Kuma is just better in every way. Lars, like Jun is merely serviceable.
I agree. Everyone says Nina is arguably the best character or vastly OP, yet it seems like she rarely gets to the finals in tournaments and to add fuel to the fire, people seemingly hardly ever play her online as well. It’s a mystery. Nina is undeniably strong, but if she was that OP or near “broken”, why don’t more players or professionals use her then?
I think as Lars main placement is a bit low, wall carry gives him good edge. Plus has dynamic entry 3 good stuff. But definitely bottom 10 You dont feel that in ranks bellow mighty/flame/battle but in Fujin, Raijin when someone knows the matchup blocks you easy. You need to work extra hard :)
As a Lars main I feel like he’s upper lower tier or lower mid tier. Wall carry and game is good but has no strong neutral tools and den 3 is only good if it’s on hit but most of the time you can get jab him out of it. I think he needs some old T7 or T6 tools added into T8. Lars is playing T7 against these other characters. Still love to play him
As a devil Jin player, he shoulda stayed mid, sure he's difficult but he still has good damage, wall carry, he's still a Mishima, best wall carry off of any hellsweep, idk man I do feel he's weak in some matchups especially top tiers but I think he has too many good tools to be low. lower mid feels more right I think Anakin was cooking w that take. I understand wanting buffs and I want some slight ones but I think saying he's bottom 5 is insane. You may have to be patient but you can nuke people once you get in, and at the wall db 1+2 is genuinely insanely good. IDK dvj boys we can complain but lets be real he ain't THAT bad, we just gotta play good tekken.
I’m kind of late but her best moves got nerfed to shit. WR 3,2 is only plus 2 and easy to step. It’s so bad that on block, your opponent can dick jab if you try to do anything besides orbital. If you orbital, you can get jabbed out. Your best option is to play defense and SS right or left if they block it. DF 1 is super easy to step along with her 2,1. Also, 2,1 is now negative to the point where you can’t even SS after they block. You have to either commit to the string or just block. The only good thing they did was buff the damage on DB3 which is crazy considering it does more dmg than her DB4. 1,1 isn’t safe on block anymore which was one of her best ways to get into Facil. Her neutral overall is just bad and her pressure is a lot weaker. She relies on getting into Facil without the player really realizing it and forcing mind games/ mixups.
His chat has no idea what they’re talking about😂 With the logic that kazuya is ‘50/50’ bullshit, paul should be better. Higher damage, and way, WAY easier
Difficulty and execution never indicates character strength, also tf do you mean, Kaz since day 1 had insanely better combo damage then Paul, as well as better 50/50.
If you get caught by flash it’s your fault lol it’s blockable and launch punishable . You can seethe all you want but his strongest move in your eyes is objectively worse in this game.
Nah DJ is right where he should be. That guy is still a Mishima n DJ players just aren't used to him not being top 5, I agree Asuka should be mid though even tho imo shes like just after Hwo.
Yoshis not that OP tho.. and I don’t think he’s top tier either .. maybe like A tier.. flash is launch punishable .. he’s got okay lows.. but a lot of his moves are punishable
Doesn't matter when you have copter-step to either side that makes a lot of homing moves whiff. Plus Flash has such a range that not everyone can punish it. His oki unblockable homing low setup is disgusting. He has too much going on for him on top of his troll gimmicks. He seriously is Soul Calibur 6 tier (he's among the top 3 in this game). But he still is fun as hell, and was very weak in previous games from what I've heard. So it's only fair we let our boy have his fun while it lasts, especially with Drag, Nina and Alisa getting away with murder too.
fake pressure and every decent low he has is -20 or worse poor counter hit poor movement etc etc hes very strong in the lower ranks but if you know the matchup hes super easy
reina is mid tier at best imo, pokes are meh, lows are bleh, mixups are a life or death gamble. all the weaknesses hei had without the god tier pokes and mids.
All the high crushing lows and launchers. The low Crushing launchers. Her Ch game is strong High easy damage. She can make two of her launchers safe. She can cancel moves into full crouch. Her sidestep 4 is super plus and has cancelable jab string into it. Yea she’s slept on mid to top tier
Yoshi not top 5. Slot him out for either king or xiaoyu. They’re way better than him. I also think azucena is way better than bottom 5, she still has a top 5 win percentage at the highest level of tekken
Putting Steve and Paul under Victor is hilarious. Victor is mid tier straight up. Character ain’t gon do shit in tournaments till they nerf the absolute shit out of top 10. He loses his turn after most interactions besides running 2 cheese an has some of the worst tracking Ive seen in T8. Every low he has is extremely unsafe and has a mediocre wr punishment. Character is mid af with a bare bones game plan. People need to stop bitching about Victor when Drag, Law, Feng, Yoshi, Nina, Jin, etc exist. Put Vic behind Kuma maybe
horrible tier list...zefina is not bottom 5 by any means... Law isn't top tier either he's mid... Hwoarng is to tier ...lilli top or upper tier...king upper tier....paul is top tier as well
No he’s not 💀 he quite literally has everything, and on top of that has the 50/50s of a Mishima electric and a wavedash, and that ridiculous d2 that can barely be punished and crushes highs tracks both sides and does insane damage. If it weren’t for drag and Nina he’d easily be the best character in the game.
Yoshimitsu is very strong but top tear? Flash is the best move in the game, his combos make crazy damage ok but most of his other moves need mental frames to work and he can be launched a lot, if you do yoshimitsustuff and the opponent presses heat in 80% of the time you are in a stance that ends in a full launcher for the opponent. Upper Tear would make more sense for me, I mean look at the other characters in Top 5, do you really think he can hold up his pressure without his opponent respecting him like the others can?
No he’s not. He’s easily top 3 in terms of most difficult characters to play. He has super high execution so it makes sense for it to be rewarding. He also has some of the worse lows in the game, he’s very easy to side step. You can easily beat most bryans by simply blocking high. On top of that his only good low can be reacted to, and launched by characters like kazuya. He’s still a super good character but he has some insanely glaring weaknesses
@@Sin-pt2eq what execution does bryan have besides his taunt lol and why would u want to duck against bryan when he has some of the best mids in the game to check u with, u can’t call his heat weak when he has an on block wall splat that comes out faster than 60 frames and a heat smash that does above average damage, the character has everything he’s only limited by the player. not only that, he has qcb 1 which is straight up broken and a safe mid heat engager that hits from literally anywhere. looking at the one thing he sort of is lackluster in which is lows and making that the basis of why he isn’t dumb as of rn is crazy especially when his lows aren’t even that bad 💀 he’s top 10, the lowest i could possibly see him is top 12
@@AzarathX. all that’s correct too qcb1 isn’t broken either, my point is he isn’t broken either. He’s just a very good character, with some of the hardest combos to do consistently. He’s no Steve devil Jin or kazuya in terms of execution but he’s not some character that’s gonna play the game for you. He’s really not hard to deal with most of the time, because most players don’t know how to pilot him correctly. Obviously a good Brian is a huge problem but that’s my point he has a high skill ceiling
@@Sin-pt2eq qcb1 is a 14 frame, +5 on block , ch launcher that hits from range 200, tracks to one side, and gives a tailspin .. the move is dumb, i don’t think bryan is broken but he needs toning down along with every other character in the top 10
Yoshimitsu low tier in T7. But, become Top tier in T8 Even called him broken. I thought they gonna talk about new move or new frame data. But, no. They talk about Flash, unblockable, high damage combo,mixup. It's same sht from T7.
Lol, played against raijin Alisa, who did only 5 moves all the games. While I need to know at least half of the moves and pretty much different strategies to be at raijin as a Raven Yeah straight up lie)
@@YukkiRuiii Once you get to the GoD ranks you will see what I mean. Even Anakin himself said it's not easy to play with Alisa because her moves pokes are not that good
Cuz if Eddy actually wants to do offense he has to basically go on a suicide mission to do it as most of his shit is unsafe, his heat is extremely lackluster, and his combo damage comparing to the cast is also lackluster
The thing is that tier lists will ALWAYS be different between console scrubs and good, experienced Tekken players/vets/pros/char specialists with experience in past games, and who have basic fundamentals, basic movement and basic block punishment skills and muscle memory. The two groups will ALWAYS be mutually exclusive.
Nice top 5
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"If you lose to Jun, I'm sorry but you suck" Words from the goat.
22:28 - "Bryan? Y'all don't know nothing bout no Bryan Fury, you guys don't know about Bryan." - Anakin, circa 2024
Reina/Mishimas/Zafina player here just to clarify, let Bryan cook, hold that 60%
Triple negative 😂😂😂
@@slimhashiraif a Bryan launches you for only 60% you should consider yourself lucky lol
"Paul was amazing in Tekken 6, upper tier"
Hell yeah bro I'm still traumatized by Paul Phoenix too, fuck him
I don't understand why Raven is rated so poorly so often. He has a df1 that tracks both directions, armored heat engager, strong oki, strong full crouch mix, evasion, amazing heat smash on hit and block(+14 into soulzone mix), i14 ws launcher, 8f bt jab, +on hit lows... The only thing i feel like he lacks is a standing 15 frame launcher. What am i missing? What is Raven missing?
His tool kit and game plan isn't str8 forward so its hard to show his strengh plus he isn't as oppressive as other characters. You kinda have to swing into him unless he is full crouch mixing you which is harder since everyone is mashing in this game
no good low from back turn
I'm not gonna entertain this fool. If you've done so much research you should clearly know why he's bottom 5. It's really not difficult
It takes 1 trip to look at frame data and that should get you 80% of the way there
@@BlaqPharaoh"iM nOT gOnNa EnTertaIn tHis FOol" "begone peasant!" 😂
Lee, Lee, Lee, CARTER lmao. Excellent Rush Hour reference
Thanks ani for not dumping us yoshi mains. We didnt ask for this.
Putting victor in upper tier is brutal
Woaw, did Jun really fell from grace this bad ? Reminds me of Kazumi in 7...
not rly, its just many dont play her
you have guys like kirakira playing her and beating jdcr in a tournament as well as blackheart who mains her (player with the highest tekken prowess) who is permanently saying jun is no way near bottom 5 he personally feels the char is rly rly good, just a good low away from being broken
I see, I thought Jun is meant to be played more like a defensive character than most of the cast, and that could have been a reason why she's seen as low-tier in a game like Tekken 8. Glad she hasn't suffered the Kazumi treatment, they overdone it for her in 7 imo.
I'll watch Kirakira, thanks for the name I was searching for a good Jun to watch !
@@suyata_samsara dont know how frequently kirakira streams but he, aswell as blackheart, is a european player (dunno if your from us bec of timezones) but blackheart59_ streams daily on twitch
@@suyata_samsarayou need to watch PTJ’s Jun. he is THE BEST Jun player and he’s from Korea.
shes stil very strong, cant really fathom how everyone puts her so low
This is 100% a red rank tier list 😂😂😂
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who is top tier in your opinion?
How is feng not top 5
feng was nerfed quite heavily while the top 5 were not touched at all
@@ruggeroverga3470 lmao not true drag was nerfed heavily and hes still top 1 (he was just that strong)
@@danisflyingif drag is still number 1 after being nerfed, he wasn’t touched at all 😂
Normaly you have to make 5 lists. Beginner, starter, intermediet, pro, god.
Cause lars is pretty good for starters against Starters but trash in pro and god ranks
As a steve main its sad how i lose more to the bottom tiers then top tiers because they rarely be used online lol 🤣🤣🤣
Nobody cares you’re a Steve main that’s irrelevant 🤡
Whether my character is top or bottom tier. I still play them like they are bottom tier so I don’t care haha.
Zafina is my main, I’m sad that they take a lot of her moves, they need to buff her and make her top 5 again
Ost name? 1:09:24
I'm still super salty that they took shiro away and Steve B2 stun launcher >.< I'll never stop being upset about that
Zafina is bottom 5 for the sole reason that Leroy is her worst matchup. Can parry all of her stances. #changemymind
Is this the toughest Tekken for you to adjust to Anakin?
Hworang vs Steve elections 💀
You can tell his viewers are either low ranks, delusional or biased, Lars Raven and Leroy bottom five while Devil Jin and Jun are lower lmao, and Lidia in bottom 😂
Most people are low ranks in general(red or below) so why would you assume otherwise in his viewership?
Before watching this. I hate all characters except Bryan,kuzuya and paul
Lmao
What a unique character taste, im sure it wasnt someone else giving it to you
I hate bryan
Ew ew ew
what about dvj 😭
Leroy is kinda clunky but no way is he bottom 5 lol i almost put him mid
This has beem a 90 min rant video for majority of people who have little or no fundamentals.
Lars desperately needs changes in his neutral or make his stances transitions a tad faster because he still does not participate in Tekken 8 meta, he is stuck in T7. Please harada give his old df2 back or atleast make his den 2 knockdown on normal hit with guaranteed follow up or make his b1 knockdown on ch again, Lars is not threatening enough yet
Please say sike
I agree with Lars. He just a buffed up T7 character and no where near T8 status. He needs his old WS 21 counter hit launcher, B1 counter hit or his old df2. Lars is back at the bottom once again like he was in T7
@@ensar4115 remember when they buffed Lars in Tekken 7 with F21 they had to remove it because it was to strong 😂
@@RuTo94 yea!
With all respect, putting dvj above asuka and azucena is crazy
Facts 😂 dude has no viable strings, terrible lows and his so called gimmicks don't work even in orange rank 😂. Us devil jin mains pretty much rely on turtling because every attack that gets blocked we lose our turn and have no way of winning up close fights because of how slow he is.
Azucena at lest has evasive movement decent strings and pretty solid gimmicks and a better overall parry system than devil jin. And can actually gain momentum to keep an opponent guessing. Devil jin is an open book you already know what to expect electric and hell sweep those are your only threats.
@@brandonspringfield2861 i know, but what can we do :( without dvj i have no interest in tekken at all
@@fgdgfgfff887 I feel you on that man currently right now I'm trying to pick up some solid alternatives, like bryan fury he always been a fav character of mine but I didn't put near as much time into him like I did devil jin over the years since T5. The only characters I really care about is DJ, the mishimas, marduk and bryan. But DJ ranks well above all of them.
@@brandonspringfield2861 you don't get to have terrible lows with hellsweep. Dvj downplayers really are something else.
@@Rius9106agree, honestly I think what makes Devil Jin terrible are not his lows, they’re pretty good. Ofc demon paw is basically unusable, and I feel his poking is weak, he needs a fast slightly harder hitting mid. I would do 3 changes:
1. Make demon paw same as Kazuya
2. Make his DF 1 2 mid mid
3. Make his heat smash have more range, make it side steppable (the range nerf and tracking nerf was too much)
We miss you Anakin 😢😂 jack army
I’m not sure why everyone places ling in the top when she never has anything to show for it. She’s a pretty bad character at the end of the day outside of heat, especially when she has so many kryptonite characters like Jun, Jack, Hwoarang, Leo, Leroy, Lars, Zaf etc. She’s bottom of the pack.
As a Xiaoyu main I believe it's because of her defensive kit. I will say she's usually overrated, but when the xiaoyu player knows the matchup very well it's hard to even touch her. Her threat potential goes up astronomically with the level of the player
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I’d like to add Eddy, Lili and Victor to her krypton line. She’s not a good character lol.
This. As much as i (and everyone) hate ling, she like never had a successful tournament run even though every cc and their mom putting her in S or A tier
@@Cal3000
Eddy is not her kryptonite her b1 destroys rlx stance.
Strong start oof finish
So I hear dragonof and Nina will be nerfed. Wonder how much nerf that will be.
I wounder what they gonna do to nina lool she have so many things
@@markazim4789 drags qcf4 1 chip damage less and nina will lose a devastating 2 damage on her low slide
Slap on the wrist probably
at this point make their whole damage 50% less
Lidia lower tier? Interesting.
trash lows
As a Lars fanatic I relish the vindication
Fanatic about a pikachu character? Sad
@@Hachijo3GS You don't get it. You like Mishima characters because of their high execution status. I like characters from the Mishima family because elemental electricity is my religion. We are not the same.
Personally I think that if Lars makes someone cringe but Reina doesn't, that person is a simp and possibly mentally ill (I'm being hyperbolic lol). Anyway, I really like Lars conceptually. His personality and attitude are very cool, he's the least toxic person in his family, and his catchphrase "There's nothing you can do to stop me" is inspirational in part thanks to that look he gives you when he says it.
Thats why you never listen to the community of this game. Drag and Nina higher than Jin while Law is just upper tier? Leo with his high crushes, free mixups and free launchers is mid tier?Paul and Lee mid tier? Why Kazuya so low? Gotta remember that most of the player base are red and purple ranks and most of them listen to a schizo swedish blogger
My boy Raven in bottom 5 as always, this time even in bottom 3 💀💀💀
Only twitch chat would have the mental capacity to think Paul is mid tier, let alone “upper tier”. That character has been dead in this game. No shit you never see him in tournaments.
paul was in grand final in the latest japan dojo tournament and won the reset gainst matsuba on feng/drag. char isnt dead hes still good and at least mid tier
Paul's Upper, no bullshit. He just requires you have Fundamentals. But real Fundamentals, like Sidestepping after every Poke, and paying attention to when your Opponent takes the Mash or the Sidestep after your Pressure. Real Fundamentals like walking your Opponent down and forcing them closer and closer to the Wall and not backing up if you don't have to. This is what Anakin means when he says: "You just can't play basic."
Most people don't have Fundamentals. I've beaten *MANY* Supremes who have very little. They can just play their positions and are good at Timing.
@@kylefields3951 yeah, well at least pre his buffs. now after the buffs with all his stance cancel stuff hes more a mixup char like victor that has you guessing what he's gonna do than before, where he still was good but was more straight up
Paul is so dumb in this game. Easy complete throw game. Best launcher in the game in df2, and all you need for mix up is df1. Great damage, heat, etc.
He explicitly said the list could be determined by everything not just tournaments.
Personally think Nina is top 1.
King should be lower. He has obvious counter play and the nerf to his grabs leaves him with poor tracking.
Lili should be higher. Her movement and pressure is almost game breaking.
I think Kaz should be higher too. Everything else looks good to me. Nice list.
Jack does not belong above eddy lidia lee or jun imo, jack seems borderline useless against half the cast your basically risking your life for little ass pokes that people just disrespect your frame with heat or the insane powercrushes some characters have and then they get to mix you for a minute straight cuz jack cant step shit dont get launched btw with all that chip and preassure you are eating, youll most likely dead if you do.
Man how about vs Jack tier?
Its all good bottom tier Raven is still dope to me. 😅
How is Devil Jin Mid Tier? Every tier I see he's bottom 5 😅
This is chat voting. Not actually Anakin
He put Devil Jin mid tier himself.
Wth I’m used to seeing yoshi near the bottom how did he shoot up so quick
His gimmicks are actually good now 😂 and he gets some insane damage, so pretty much everything that made him hard but fun back in the day are now viable options in an everyday match with very little risk but a great reward.
Where have you been????
@@brandonspringfield2861oh no the risk is very much still there, he just has a better pay out in this game and does more damage. Most of his moves are negative and alot of them also can get floated, he's still a risky character
@@SnakeInTheRain the other thing is that, he is the only character in the game allowed to play defensively
@@SrKimori except he's not. Feng, Nina, Jin, Leroy, raven, xiaoyu, Alisa, even Steve can all really accel at defense, evasion and offense, and I'm not even naming all the characters. Yoshi is one of the best defensive characters in the game no doubt easily top 5 defensive tools, but he struggles to get in and be offensive which is much easier to do in Tekken 8 than defending, that's the trade off
I’m surprised Yoshi top 5 I know he’s strong but was expecting him to be Upper Tier at least 😮
nobody labs him so it'll be like this for a while
yoshi is def top5, more like top3. he is dealing way too much dmg for his gimmicky stuff he has. the fact he turns every situation from -8 to 0 into a mind game with tools like flash for -4 to 0 and his spin making you whiff even tho the opp is +4 to +8. or the infamous yoshi hopkick which for some godforsaken reason sometimes evades mids
@@h4b3e1n9b0Rn idk never really had a problem with Yoshi in high ranked lol just gotta be more patient then other characters or your gonna eat a flash 😂
@@RuTo94 its not the "being patient" its fact you gotta fundamentally play another game against yoshi bec the permanent fear / respect for flash is there. it just feels like if he doesnt do total unsafe shit that puts him -10 or you hit him with sth that puts you at least +10 its mostly yoshi favoured bec either you take your frames but risk getting blown up or you give up your frames and the yoshi got away with it
Gotta play tekken differently against Yoshi
is kazuya top 16????
Bro skipped over Reina vs Lili, Lili definitely better than Reina
Jin is a great noob crusher, but for high ranking he isn't as impressive.
I would have left him in upper tier.
Lol so everyone is sleeping on Leroy and Lars. Who are already better than hwoarang and jack on the mid tier.
I main Raven and you're totally putting him on the bottom tier😂
Buff Lidia! For the polish people!
Zafina def needs buffs
Lars, Leroy, and Panda move up one. Devil Jin, Eddy, and Zafina move down one.
Bottom 5: Eddy > Azucena > Zafina > Devil Jin > Raven
eddy is not that bad , he is pretty good , and devil jin is mostly average , lars , raven , panda are pretty correct , I would have put ling too
@@OmniManEmpireeddy is terrible, he’s def bottom 5 😭
@@OmniManEmpire
Eddy was always awful in T8 and Devil Jin was gutted like an extra in a slasher movie. Xiaoyu is a Top 10 character.
Panda isn’t total garbage, but there’s no reason to use her since Kuma is just better in every way. Lars, like Jun is merely serviceable.
NINA is not top 5 in EVO, is at 256 EVO top 22, just were two Ninas at top 96 as main, and one of those was Arslan Ash
You right she's top 3 😁
I agree. Everyone says Nina is arguably the best character or vastly OP, yet it seems like she rarely gets to the finals in tournaments and to add fuel to the fire, people seemingly hardly ever play her online as well. It’s a mystery. Nina is undeniably strong, but if she was that OP or near “broken”, why don’t more players or professionals use her then?
@@infinitesurge9641it’s harder to use her effectively to 100% easy to learn, hard to master
@@infinitesurge9641 She don't have range
I think as Lars main placement is a bit low, wall carry gives him good edge. Plus has dynamic entry 3 good stuff.
But definitely bottom 10
You dont feel that in ranks bellow mighty/flame/battle but in Fujin, Raijin when someone knows the matchup blocks you easy. You need to work extra hard :)
As a Lars main I feel like he’s upper lower tier or lower mid tier. Wall carry and game is good but has no strong neutral tools and den 3 is only good if it’s on hit but most of the time you can get jab him out of it. I think he needs some old T7 or T6 tools added into T8. Lars is playing T7 against these other characters. Still love to play him
if lars doesn't get you to a wall, he made a mistake
Anyone got a timestamp ?
starts at 0:00
Paul is at 1:05:13
Ends 1:26:16
10:18 “if you’re speaking on your main you can’t call them bad” bro I play Lars I know he’s shit 😭😭😭😭
as a raven main I don't understand >_>
As a devil Jin player, he shoulda stayed mid, sure he's difficult but he still has good damage, wall carry, he's still a Mishima, best wall carry off of any hellsweep, idk man I do feel he's weak in some matchups especially top tiers but I think he has too many good tools to be low. lower mid feels more right I think Anakin was cooking w that take. I understand wanting buffs and I want some slight ones but I think saying he's bottom 5 is insane. You may have to be patient but you can nuke people once you get in, and at the wall db 1+2 is genuinely insanely good. IDK dvj boys we can complain but lets be real he ain't THAT bad, we just gotta play good tekken.
As a rank what devil jin player?
Why azucena is that bad ? I dont get it
I’m kind of late but her best moves got nerfed to shit. WR 3,2 is only plus 2 and easy to step. It’s so bad that on block, your opponent can dick jab if you try to do anything besides orbital. If you orbital, you can get jabbed out. Your best option is to play defense and SS right or left if they block it. DF 1 is super easy to step along with her 2,1. Also, 2,1 is now negative to the point where you can’t even SS after they block. You have to either commit to the string or just block. The only good thing they did was buff the damage on DB3 which is crazy considering it does more dmg than her DB4. 1,1 isn’t safe on block anymore which was one of her best ways to get into Facil. Her neutral overall is just bad and her pressure is a lot weaker. She relies on getting into Facil without the player really realizing it and forcing mind games/ mixups.
why is Lars bottom tier?
Definitely yoshi
Good luck at Red Bull
Lars bottom 5 is tekken 7 all over again LMAO.
do an actual tierlist
His chat has no idea what they’re talking about😂
With the logic that kazuya is ‘50/50’ bullshit, paul should be better. Higher damage, and way, WAY easier
Difficulty and execution never indicates character strength, also tf do you mean, Kaz since day 1 had insanely better combo damage then Paul, as well as better 50/50.
Yoshi's flash is broken
It's worse than it was in 7.
@@FujinFoxTK nobody give a fuck about t7 yoshi, not then not now
Tekken 7 is past now people play Tekken 8 so there will be different@@FujinFoxTK
If you get caught by flash it’s your fault lol it’s blockable and launch punishable . You can seethe all you want but his strongest move in your eyes is objectively worse in this game.
His damage is
Thank you for defending Yoshi from the recent onslaught 🤝
Yoshi down-player detected
opinion rejected
I’m sorry I fail to believe asuka is low tier no way
Pretty solid list, I generally agree with tier 1-3. A bit more juggling below: DJ for sure lower and Asuka at least mid tier.
Nah DJ is right where he should be. That guy is still a Mishima n DJ players just aren't used to him not being top 5, I agree Asuka should be mid though even tho imo shes like just after Hwo.
Asuka is usually overrated. But if you mean she is gimmicky, sure.
@@ragnarok7452 gimmicks win matches in this game and force more fundamental characters to play around them so yeah
they will completly castrate yoshi....
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Yoshis not that OP tho.. and I don’t think he’s top tier either .. maybe like A tier..
flash is launch punishable .. he’s got okay lows.. but a lot of his moves are punishable
He's top tier but not like top 5/3 top 10 for sure.
hold up the garyu is speaking everyone let's listen
Its the fact he can choose not to play the game with spin and flash. Also he does crazy damage to be so tricky.
Doesn't matter when you have copter-step to either side that makes a lot of homing moves whiff. Plus Flash has such a range that not everyone can punish it. His oki unblockable homing low setup is disgusting. He has too much going on for him on top of his troll gimmicks. He seriously is Soul Calibur 6 tier (he's among the top 3 in this game).
But he still is fun as hell, and was very weak in previous games from what I've heard. So it's only fair we let our boy have his fun while it lasts, especially with Drag, Nina and Alisa getting away with murder too.
@@cl0wnr732 Regardless of his rank It's okay for him to have that opinion you don't have to belittle the person.
#BUFFLARSPLEASE
How is Lars bad???? He's upper mid tier imo. Asuka playes just suck.
fake pressure and every decent low he has is -20 or worse poor counter hit poor movement etc etc hes very strong in the lower ranks but if you know the matchup hes super easy
Hard agree on the second half of this comment
victor is waaaayyyy too high IMO
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reina is mid tier at best imo, pokes are meh, lows are bleh, mixups are a life or death gamble. all the weaknesses hei had without the god tier pokes and mids.
Hope anakin competes again 💯
...he's been competing.
I dont agree with Jun and Azucena down there.
Why
All the high crushing lows and launchers. The low Crushing launchers. Her Ch game is strong High easy damage. She can make two of her launchers safe. She can cancel moves into full crouch. Her sidestep 4 is super plus and has cancelable jab string into it. Yea she’s slept on mid to top tier
Her spin u2 into stance is strong if you’re not ducking it and is unreactable
@@progamerhennessey9483 both of them are not top tier tho
@@LTGAlt I can’t speak for Azucena, but jun mid to top
Yoshi not top 5. Slot him out for either king or xiaoyu. They’re way better than him. I also think azucena is way better than bottom 5, she still has a top 5 win percentage at the highest level of tekken
Jun belongs in bottom 5, sadge
Putting Steve and Paul under Victor is hilarious. Victor is mid tier straight up. Character ain’t gon do shit in tournaments till they nerf the absolute shit out of top 10. He loses his turn after most interactions besides running 2 cheese an has some of the worst tracking Ive seen in T8. Every low he has is extremely unsafe and has a mediocre wr punishment. Character is mid af with a bare bones game plan. People need to stop bitching about Victor when Drag, Law, Feng, Yoshi, Nina, Jin, etc exist. Put Vic behind Kuma maybe
Nina Yoshi are broken not overpowered but broken
yeah as shown by when both of them didn't make it to top 8 in ewc
@@abirneji thats why they are getting nerfed next patch
horrible tier list...zefina is not bottom 5 by any means... Law isn't top tier either he's mid... Hwoarng is to tier ...lilli top or upper tier...king upper tier....paul is top tier as well
Jin is overrated
No he’s not 💀 he quite literally has everything, and on top of that has the 50/50s of a Mishima electric and a wavedash, and that ridiculous d2 that can barely be punished and crushes highs tracks both sides and does insane damage. If it weren’t for drag and Nina he’d easily be the best character in the game.
Top 5 is king, drag, Nina, Alisa, and ling
Sleeping on Yoshi
i would say its drag, feng, yoshi, nina and alisa
Nahh king is way more annoying that yoshi. And ling is impossible to hit. I react well to lows so feng’s poke game isn’t that bad to me
Bro just learn to break throws
Ling is hot garbage. She’s bottom 10 for sure. Turtle and she can’t do anything to save her life.
Asuka is bottom five, perhaps the worst character in the game, and I'll die on this hill.
There's a tier missing called "carried", should have Jin, Lili, Alisa, Drag, Lars and Hworang
Finally someone who is honest about my main feng.
Yes he’s very good GREAT even but he isn’t top 5. Hell I honestly think King, and Law may be better
Bro he's top 6 on this list let's not pretend like he's not a top tier. He 100% is top tier, this one just caps out at 5 characters in the first tier.
Yoshimitsu is very strong but top tear? Flash is the best move in the game, his combos make crazy damage ok but most of his other moves need mental frames to work and he can be launched a lot, if you do yoshimitsustuff and the opponent presses heat in 80% of the time you are in a stance that ends in a full launcher for the opponent. Upper Tear would make more sense for me, I mean look at the other characters in Top 5, do you really think he can hold up his pressure without his opponent respecting him like the others can?
The Jon with King is very strong, my top is:
Dragunov
Nina
King
Feng
Yoshimitsu
the bryan downplay is insane, he’s borderline dumb in his current state rn
No he’s not. He’s easily top 3 in terms of most difficult characters to play. He has super high execution so it makes sense for it to be rewarding. He also has some of the worse lows in the game, he’s very easy to side step. You can easily beat most bryans by simply blocking high. On top of that his only good low can be reacted to, and launched by characters like kazuya.
He’s still a super good character but he has some insanely glaring weaknesses
@@Sin-pt2eq what execution does bryan have besides his taunt lol and why would u want to duck against bryan when he has some of the best mids in the game to check u with, u can’t call his heat weak when he has an on block wall splat that comes out faster than 60 frames and a heat smash that does above average damage, the character has everything he’s only limited by the player. not only that, he has qcb 1 which is straight up broken and a safe mid heat engager that hits from literally anywhere. looking at the one thing he sort of is lackluster in which is lows and making that the basis of why he isn’t dumb as of rn is crazy especially when his lows aren’t even that bad 💀 he’s top 10, the lowest i could possibly see him is top 12
@@AzarathX. all that’s correct too qcb1 isn’t broken either, my point is he isn’t broken either. He’s just a very good character, with some of the hardest combos to do consistently. He’s no Steve devil Jin or kazuya in terms of execution but he’s not some character that’s gonna play the game for you. He’s really not hard to deal with most of the time, because most players don’t know how to pilot him correctly. Obviously a good Brian is a huge problem but that’s my point he has a high skill ceiling
@@Sin-pt2eq qcb1 is a 14 frame, +5 on block , ch launcher that hits from range 200, tracks to one side, and gives a tailspin .. the move is dumb, i don’t think bryan is broken but he needs toning down along with every other character in the top 10
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Just made it to tekken king I feel good
Yoshimitsu low tier in T7. But, become Top tier in T8
Even called him broken.
I thought they gonna talk about new move or new frame data.
But, no. They talk about Flash, unblockable, high damage combo,mixup. It's same sht from T7.
DVJ Too high, play him then rank him
Alisa being top 5 is a straight up lie. The only thing these nerds cry about is chainsaws because they like to mash all day 😭
Found the Alisa player guys 😮
Lol, played against raijin Alisa, who did only 5 moves all the games. While I need to know at least half of the moves and pretty much different strategies to be at raijin as a Raven
Yeah straight up lie)
As an Alisa main brotha you are tripping she is easily top 5 shit her evasive movements alone make her top 5 😂😂😂
@@YukkiRuiii Once you get to the GoD ranks you will see what I mean. Even Anakin himself said it's not easy to play with Alisa because her moves pokes are not that good
@@dreday6320have you not watched the EWC tournament? Stop lying to yourself
How is eddy so low that dude destroys me everytime
Pick reina and do 3+4 a lot.
Cuz if Eddy actually wants to do offense he has to basically go on a suicide mission to do it as most of his shit is unsafe, his heat is extremely lackluster, and his combo damage comparing to the cast is also lackluster
he’s literally the most unsafe character in the game
@@gilbertopadilla3611 funny you say pick Reina that’s my main
@@w_sogeking I main Reina top. Side step right, and back dash. Use 3+4 to cheese him to death. Don't use highs and try ewgk to counter hit launch him
The thing is that tier lists will ALWAYS be different between console scrubs and good, experienced Tekken players/vets/pros/char specialists with experience in past games, and who have basic fundamentals, basic movement and basic block punishment skills and muscle memory.
The two groups will ALWAYS be mutually exclusive.