China: Friend or Foe?
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Is China, with its unfair trade policies and shameless theft of intellectual property, an enemy that needs to be reined in? Or is it in the West’s best interests to view China as a strategic partner and aim for mutual respect and cooperation?
We were joined by Keyu Jin, Professor of Economics at LSE; Sir Malcolm Rifkind, politician and former cabinet minister; and Martin Wolf, Chief Economics Commentator at the FT
The event was chaired by BBC News Presenter and the BBC’s first China Editor, Carrie Gracie.
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Reflecting on this debate in 2020, has your opinion on China changed?
They have showed there true colours and intensions......
Calling a regime that prosecute political dissidents, build concentration camps for Uigurs and is involved in forced organ harvesting "a friend"? Seems like fifty percent of the audience are clueless. A bit embarrassing for a debate calling itself intelligence squared.
@@aksbeixhev Full of nonsense.
Come to China and see
@@309heman6 you can watch the oppression in action in Hong Kong on any news channel. I've been to China, seen the facade, but don't dare going back. There's no rule of law and critics seem to "dissappear" quite often.
@@aksbeixhev Dear Jonas, As a Chinese who is studying in Europe currently, I am thinking everyday that why a lot people have the same image towards China as you have, even though China has never hurt anyone, after all, the only answer is because US, the super power has a bad history with CCP ever since the lost of Chiang kai-shek and north korea war. But we will see this change in 10 years, because US is falling and European who are more rational will reconsider actually Chinese are much more reliable and trustworthy. This is a historical inevitability, no doubt.
As a Malaysian prime minister said a few years ago, we have had a two thousand year relationship with China and they never invaded us. Two years after the British met us, they invaded. The question westerners need to start asking is if they are friends or foes in the way they engage with other nations. Because historically they have been foes and while this has enriched the west it certainly makes all the talk of civilility, truth and goodness ring very hollow.
West? I'm not a westerner. You call me a westerner whatever that is. I'm not from UK or USA ok. Do you ever realize that there are countries in the west, countries that have been attacked by the "east" and it's happening again right now. Who is attacking again?
@@SSDDssed Western colonized Asia and robbed the resources. Did the Westerner repay us the lost??
@@jaxtang5718 Yes that's partially why you are doing so well today, we or the US helped in and after ww2, China especially, then we moved the production there and opened everything instead of closing like for example the Ottoman Empire did in the past to us.
But nationalist propaganda will tell you only bad things.
Things could have been much worse. So cry more.
@@SSDDssed Dont take all the credit of post-ww2. Not only US engaged it. We, Chinese also sacrificed on the ground. You move the production here because your people is lazy and expensive. Just keep your so-call democracy, 1 people 1 vote to yourself. Day by day more people will see the ugly side of western democracy, is just a tool used by capitalists' to hijack political power. Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%. Good luck.
This is not the case for nations with a direct border. It's not that China isn't imperialist, it's that it's not a naval power.
I'm a Hongkonger and I use to be brainwashed into thinking that British rule was a good thing and I was taught to feel more 'special' than those in mainland China. By making an effort to entertain counter narratives, checking sources and for evidence, I have now mostly deprogrammed my automatic hatred or knee jerk reaction towards China. This happened in my early 20s when I begun to realise and acknowledge the fact that under British rule (that is colonisation (psychological as well as physical), exploitation, invasion), we never once had democracy and those that protested were killed, punished or imprisoned. We were also forbidden to live on the peak in our own land reserved only for Westerners which many accepted and gloss over without questioning. Many HongKongers support the handover back to China, it's just you never hear their voices in Western media.
very true... many hong kong government officials were handpicked by the UK, or were straight up anglo. speaking chinese or cantonese wasnt allowed in many government buildings
its very gross the way UK hong kong has been represented as having their democratic rights stripped away, or whatever, as if the history and the very reason the UK acquired hong kong from china was through illegal drug trade, or was ever democratic at all
this is all ignored by the west to give them a leg-up against china
The brainwashing from the western colonisers needs to be strong, so they can reap maximum benefits from the occupied land, they don't care about the people living there. Now only the people on Taiwan need to bE deprogrammed the same way that you have been. I hate how hypocritical some people can be saying 'Hong Kong is not China', well what is it then? Britain? Funny.
Lots of love for all Chinese people and wish you good luck towards total reunification with everyone else. Sending you lots of love from Serbia!
Newsflash: you're still brainwashed.
As you I'm rediscovering the way West sees the world. Being myself a Westerner I'm felling a growing sense of shame...
Are you seriously arguing that British ownership was the reason for lack of rights? Or was it perhaps the fact that Hong Kong was still under the CCP law. Do you think that British society treats their citizens the same way? Because anyone with half a brain knows they don't
1:09:00 he failed to realize that most of the Asian economies that are developed today were authoritarian during their development stages (Singapore, Taiwan, S. Korea).
Well lucky they moved to democracy fast or else it would ve been a disaster for them! Look at how authoritarians can do the damage when they over stay and over play. We get Coved19! Why are you still staying in the West if you hate it so much. Ain't you a hypocrite?
@@hectoOut He didn't say anything negative or remotely displayed any hatred. He was simply stating a fact, which negates your knowledge of how the world works. I understand you might have a lot of frustration in your real life, and you felt you can vent a little on the Internet. Well, I certainly hope you feel a little better after that comment.
What about Japan and Taiwan? No, didn't think so
@@cross5269 South Korea only became a democracy in 1987 lol. Till then, it was a dictatorship. Taiwan was also an authoritarian state (KMT dictatorship) till the late 80s. Japan only became a democracy in 1952 and only managed to develop with a ton of US economic aid.
@@cross5269 Taiwan became democratic in the 90s after it got rich. Singapore has had one party majority for its entire existence.
"I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole… we had entire training courses." This is a line from a speech made by U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Texas. Following a burst of laughter from the audience as a response to that line, Pompeo hastened to add: "It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment."
That reflects true American value. Just win, regardless.....
Talking like that has a reason the person who talks like that does it to exercise and enjoy his domination.
@@houshangsemino3702
Really ... Pretty bold
@L Singh And what exactly do you think the Chinese intelligence agencies or Russian agencies (FSB, GRU + 1000 others) are actually doing? Do you think they're in the business of telling the truth? That their actions in regards to foreign states are somehow benevolent? They're knights in shining armour, aren't they?
Sad, too many Chinese tools commenting on these forums! ... or western useful idiots, which would actually be worse!!!
"I want China to do well, just not as well as us" - Donald Trump.
There I just saved you 84 minutes of your life
lol that was the first thing that came to my mind too!
Thanks
'Fine, I guess I'll just have to do much better than you' - China
Thank you for saving my time...
lol
Sir Malcolm tried to portray that UK is independent of US but the world knows it is subservient to US.
China is not subservient to America, the rest of the world may be but not China.
@@wilfred5656 Russia tooo
Hahaha... That's his own opinion only.
The US is the centre state of the West. The West controls most of the resources and finance of the World. Decoupling from China will find the US establishing new supply lines. The UK is sovereign, yet the US has more clout. Consider the Suez Crisis. 🇦🇺
That's not how it is. I'm a US citizen. Our governments are not the people.
If you treat someone as a foe, one will become foe to you.
China has always been a foe to “Democracy” and a friend to those who uphold their powers to control you and the rest of the world. Your rights and freedom are owned by the CCP.
Zizi Zen are you living in China? Please don’t live in the past. Are you a perfect human. You make mistakes too right? If you make mistakes then please do not pass judgement on your own China otherwise just listen carefully about the positive side of China. If you can’t accept the reality of China has changed ... then it is too bad.
Phebee White that’s the fact of life, can’t we all respect each other?
Bojoon Dong Mistakes? You mean put human right lawyers, activists , citizen journalists in jail ? Or put hundreds of thousands of Uighurs in concentration camp? I lived in China , I tell you how it is to live in China : i had no dignity as a human being , I had no freedom, I was fucking brainwashed day by day , I became selfish unsympathetic and stupid.
Bojoon Dong A totalitarian government doesn’t make mistakes , they are brutal killers , criminals and liars, and you are helping CCP to oppress Chinese people. CCP is not China !
Kind of bizarre hearing these Brits boast about the importance of free speech to the West, while Britain is rapidly losing any free speech we have in the name of "anti-hate." Scotland leading the way -- we now have secular Islamic blasphemy laws brought in by the SNP's Muslim justice secretary - Humza Yosef.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humza_Yousaf "SNP's Muslim justice secretary " good effort at stiring up racial hate.
@@HELLO7657 Yes have revisted this and my comment is not clear. I don't think the bill itself is stiring up racial hatred. Just the comment "Scotland leading the way -- we now have secular Islamic blasphemy laws" I don't think that statement is true.
UK should free ASSANGE first before talking about free speech.
@@chowsiongwong8611 .. He has done the world a favor
@@chowsiongwong8611 I agree Assange should be free - but we should always stand up for free speech. My country Scotland has lost its free speech currently. We have an authouriatrian government - but I as an individual Scot I still have the right to praise free speech - even if my government denies me it.
I feel like this: China: friend or foe? What is this topic? In fact, this is not a complicated topic but a silly topic because in this century, the whole world is connected because of advancements of technology, so we all have to have an advanced mindset to analyze world issues without creating clashes among nations. We need a peaceful world, so we all need to be friends not foes.
Yes we need to be friends in a global world. I think most countries can bury their head in the sand when it comes to human rights or concentration camps. What pisses governments off is when China steals billions in intellectual property. The US spends billions on research and development. Respecting property rights is a key factor when it comes to being friendly and trading.
we made a foe out of china, we need to leave china
North Korea
Uyghar Muslims
Belt and Road
Drug War (Fentynal)
Huawei 5G
Confucius Centers
Propaganda
Hong Kong and Taiwan
Do I need to go on?
@@koltoncrane3099 are you sure what are you talking ? Your CEO takes all the profit for their bonuses...pls do some researching
@@AlienApe ？
It is so interesting to hear westerners like myself talk about China.
The part I find most fascinating is that China is considered to be a country while its population is larger then that of all western countries combined!
Personally I am friends with many chinese people, I disagree with the actions of many other Chinese people and mainly I have no clue what to think of such a large and very very diverse group of people who live so far away and speak and entirely different language then me without using letters. I feel very grateful to the nameless chinese people that have made my life much much easier because they provided so many fine goods at such low prices.
I am glad to hear that their society is on an upswing after being in tatters for so long. I am so glad that they are bringing so many of us up with them
China is an empire, as are the United States and Russia.
Alan Friesen Yes, China is an empire and it has been for thousands of years. It’s coming back stronger than before, so deal with it.
@@ivantsl3496 I'm totally cool with it. I'm an imperialist by nature. What I don't care for is nationalism.
@@ivantsl3496 i thought China is a developing country, is it not!
@amannisa oigur how can you detain 5 million or just half million Uyghurs? feed and house them. just because the offshoot of taxpayers fund NED spouted such nonsense at the UN? use your brain or let it rot.
China and India had been living together peacefully for thousands years before the UK invaded India and created the boarder disputes with China.
Mahesh Shende I don’t know where your conclusions come from. Border disputes exist among many countries, I believe China and India have the wisdom to resolve this issue. And Countries like China or India would never be destroyed by outside power. China have found the right way to make great economic achievements in the last 40 years, I wish the good luck to my Indian friends.
@@strongfree1179 Plus, China took Dao and Confuctionism from India. They are friendly countries. India should stop buying American F-15 planes and start buying its weapons from China instead.
Thousands years ,really?
Till 1949 India did not have border issues because Uighurs were not occupied by Chinese and after 1949 problems arised.
Stop leeking Chinese ass
the nut brothers Uighur were occupied by China in 1949? Can you do some historical research before make comments? Or just google a world map before 1949? I respect everyone ‘s opinion except filthy nonsense.
@@bobbarkeriii2597 Daoism is pure Chinese creation.
Mr. Wolf and Ms. Jin made some very compelling observations. The host did a great job keeping the discussions fair and balanced.
china gain benefits , you are a friend . china do not gain any benefits , you are a foe.
It doesn't matter how you think about China. As long as you have been talking about China a lot. That really means something.
What did british did to Iraq and all other colonized states of the world. UK should remember what they did in history and what they are doing. Double standard at it best.
Dinesh Twanabasu Truth
Aramsawafer 🤣🤣🤣
Thank for giving all the correct answers ... All ticks for this multiple choice questions on this British . Such a racist..
British have colonized Malaysia and Singapore but build hospitals and schools that still exist today.
@Aramsawafer the British have made mistakes in the past but no other country has had the sense of fair play that the British government has
The question is problematic at the outset. Friend or foe are overly simplistic terms. China is not a person, it is an entity to be engaged with, and the real question for China and the West is how to best engage with each other to safeguard their individual interests, without going to war. Just like in business--and really, it all comes down to business--there are no eternal friends or foes. To categorise China as either a friend or a foe...is a childish and naive way of thinking about the relationship between countries.
Exactly
Isis, an entity to be engaged with: friend or foe?
oh I totally disagree. I think absolutely they are a foe and its a reasonable argument based on facts. Look what china as a nation has done from oppression, theft of intellectual property, it militaristic expansion to its manipulation of not only its currency but of nations goodwill. Absolutely they are a foe. Look whats goin on in Taiwan right now over a political trip from a sitting speaker. The list goes on and on.
Why do westerners feel the right to dictate what other societies should do
When was the last time that China came over to western countries to attack them in the last million years? Answer 0 times in how many wars outside of China has China been involved as the aggressor? Answer is also 0. In how many wars are is the USA involved now? How many did they start? How many flight carriers and other war ships are in Asia? How many of their military is in Asia right now and answer the same questions about Europe.
Now again a new question does China look like an enemy or the USA and Europe? Just be honest here.
Well the last million years...can't seem to find written history that "China" even existed. Now to your point, I suggest you review what is taking place in the Spratly Islands, Hong Kong today, and just what do you think Tiwanna is fearing from China. Once you finish I suggest you go back a bit and see what brought on the wars in east Africa. Here's a clue, China back the gov. with money and arms ( machetes ring a bell )....Long sleeve, short sleeve. It was the discovery of oil. Move out the tribes using muslims terrorist. Hundreds of thousands fled their ancestral homes and headed south. Unfortunately oil was then discovered in the south, and once again the muslims ran everyone out.....Dufar sound familiar. As to aircraft carriers....they and any others have the right to navigate open international sea lanes...So that is a mute point. You failed to mention China ships sailing in and around the Persian Gulf...as they too protect their ships and oil purchases.
The BBC was also told that China was training fighter pilots who fly Chinese A5 Fantan fighter jets in Darfur.
China's government has declined to comment on the BBC's findings, which contravene a UN arms embargo on Darfur.
The embargo requires foreign nations to take measures to ensure they do not militarily assist anyone in the conflict in Darfur, in which the UN estimates that about 300,000 people have died.
More than two million people are also believed to have fled their villages in Darfur, destroyed by pro-government Arab Janjaweed militia.
CHINA is making a bold move on the Spratly Islands. A fishing fleet - backed by navy frigates and coast guard vessels - has surrounded the Philippines island of Pagasa/Thitu.
The island is the largest land mass occupied by the Philippines in the island group. International observers say the close-in naval and fishing fleet presence around sandbars close to the island is a highly provocative move which is at odds with Beijing’s narrative that its land-grab in the South China Sea is over.
But Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte appears unwilling to stand up to Beijing.
“Why should I defend a sandbar and kill the Filipinos because of a sandbar?” Duterte stated overnight.
Seizing Sandy Cay would be one of Beijing’s most provocative acts since its 2012 occupation of Scarborough Shoal. The sandbar featured in last year’s International Court of Arbitration ruling, which found against China’s claims to the entire South China Sea. Its proximity within 12 nautical miles (22km) of the occupied Subi Reef was highlighted as a potential counter to Beijing’s territorial claims.
China has ignored the ruling.
China invaded every country along its border and now it invaded international water.
Friend or foe is like real life.. how you treat them and in return.
Treat as you treated, trick n treat us way
mebahahahaaaaasses
No way. They are dictatorship. You compromise and you lose.
But them china brung 75% of population out of poverty and still stomping povert, more like authoritarian socialist capitalistic system not a dictatorship.
what nation do you live in, may i ask, u seem undereducated...
mwbahahaaaaass
This is true. China lifts millions out of poverty. The UK kicks its poor and working classes back into poverty. And as for freedom of speech... the UK can lecture nobody when Julian Assange languishes in solitary confinement for publishing the truth!
No idol,
You intelligent counter is hard to counter. Kudos for explaining it to those brainwashed fools. You well educated on topic.
After one long year as we come back to this program, its so interesting to note the short-sightedness of some politicians. In fact its more than that, its simply blind loyalty.
The most old politicians don’t know better they have lived in a system who dominated the world bij force just like the Roman Empire. The top 5 security agency in the un are the top 5 weapon sellers in the world so they really don’t know better.
People in China is friend, but the CCP is foe.
@@marywrong7041 You are demolishing the home your friends stay in, how cruel!
@@marywrong7041 A foe who lifts hundreds of millions of your Chinese friends out of poverty in four decades of economic reform. It must be the most fearful one for you, right?.
@@marywrong7041 your nick speaks volumes . You're wrong. If you knew what you're talking about,you'd know that 95% of Chinese support central government. Does that mean that Chinese people are your foe too,just because they support CPC ? (to educate you, it's *CPC* not *CCP* ? But you'd already know that if you knew anything about China in the first place )
This Chinese lady is very beautiful and smart, she is doing so well here.
Absolutely, not only smart but also intelligent and wise.
She's the best 😌
Well trained communist embedded in UK
@@maxloh6303 And you’re remarkably moron you cannot even tell that she works for the communist government
You’re so dumb that you cannot even tell that she works for the Chinese government it’s called communist
Ruling by law sounds really good, that is the extreme goal for every country. But think about it, how many times you guys are changing your laws just for satisfying your interests?
No Different to what the British did too the Falkland .
He conveniently ignores 90% of countries that has democracy but remains poor while singing praises to Japan and S. Korea as shining examples of success brought about by democracy... The truth is all these Asian successes are due to Confucian societies, not the mode of political system.
yes, 90%, such an easy to remember and disprove statistic
@@annarboriter There are only 195 countries in UN. If you exclude the 47 developed countries, the rest of the 148 countries are still poor. Of these 148, how many are successful economy with democracy? I would say my 90% is conservative and should be adjusted to 95%. Isn't it?
In East Asia, almost all democratic countries are rich, and all non-democratic countries are poor, war-ridden, violent and greedy, For example, north Korea, myanmar, Cambodia and other countries.This is the truth.
@UCPLZriyndiEMDf3wW1Cl-cw How do you explain India and Philippine and over 100 democracies in the world that remain poor? I will put forward democracy is a trap to exploit people around the world by the West. On the other hand, there are lots of rich country that has no democracy, like USA.
@@棱菱伯格 Philippine, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia are democracies with elections monitored by international observers (including observers from Canada, UK and USA). So why are they still poor? BTW, Taiwan and S. Korea are dictatorship ruled by generals and successfully rich before they turned "democratic".
In the whole debate I think there is one problem that has been muted which is that the Western country and China dont't share the same value system and probably won't. China, as a multiracial country which has been bullied by the west for years has realized the problem and looking for a way to balance it. However, the west hasn't realized this problem and keeps thinking every country in the world eventually will be like them. In terms of political and legal system. This whole opinion is wrong. China amended their cyber security laws to give the government possibility to "instruct" not because of the government wants to. It is because of China has never been in so much risk in the new standard of digital world which the orders were set by the west. China has been a victim of long term and constantly biased journalism from the so called "free" Western meida, which is the most important reason for China to ban Facebook and Google. Take a look at what Facebook and Google have contributed in the progress of the "world liberation" during the last three decades. Did we see a more peaceful and united continent or world which they claimed to be of their vision? No, what they did was separation, promotion of hate and confrontation, spreading of false news and biased views. When a country doesn't suffer all these, why does it need a cyber security law? a cencorship? a reeducational institute? China is making an example for the rest of the world to how to fight against these disturbances, which never asked any country to follow because it understands every country has its own rule of laws. But on the contrary, the Western world is measuring China in every possible way to put China in that category they are most familiar with and critisize it when it doesn't fit. Which is exactly what the BBC host and Malcolm were doing in this debate. China gives people hope, while such arrogant supericy point of view gives people disgust.
well said, very true!
Sounds like a Chinese collectivist bitching about individualism.
“Democratic” - overused word of the West that doesn’t mean anything?
It means goverment of the people for the people that can be manipulated by the elites.
The illusion of choice to have the freedom to choose Part y A or Party B .
In 250 years of existence as a nation, the US has fought against 29 sovereign countries. (In Fact, since 1785, US have been involved, for 219 years, in some kind of war. And this wars, against all varieties of sovereign nations. From going against the Sultan of Morocco, to invading the tiny island of Grenada. Well, this means that in its entire history, it has only had 17 years of peace, and even fewer, cuz here the almost 5 years (1861-1865), of its Civil War of Secession are not counted (Union/Confederates), since this war was not with another country, but against US. And the wars against the Native Nations of America are not counted too, for the same reason). Anyway: US fought against 29 countries. It has "Grown" 711 times the size of its territory from the original 13 colonies. It has provoked with total impunity, Genocides, inside and outside its own borders, and assassinations of Gov’t. Leaders, Coups d'État and Economic Blockades in 6 UN member nations. (Between 1947 and 1989, the US tried to change other nations gov’ts. 73 times. It includes 66 covert Ops. And 7 overt ones. In Civil Wars: The US has taken advantage of and intervened without justification in the following Civil Wars: In Cuba (1898 and 1960). In Haiti (1813 and then 1915-1934). In Colombia (1899-1902 and 1948). In Mexico (1847 and 1914 and again in 1916). In Russia (1918). In the "Republic Banana Wars" of Central America (1912-1934). In Venezuela (1945 and again in 1948). In China (1857, and 1900, and again in 1945-1946-1949). In Korea (1950-1953). In Viet Nam (1959-1975). In Panama (1964 and again 1989). In Central Africa (1969-1974 and 1982-1988). In Nicaragua (1937 and 1985). In Bosnia (1995). In the Philippines (1898 and 1900)... In Kosovo, Libya, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc.). And more: US has almost 800 Military Bases scattered around the world; 93 of which are against China. On the other hand, China and Korea (The "Axis of Evil"), in 1,000 years of history have NEVER invaded anyone. These nations have fought their Civil Wars, defended themselves against foreign invasions, and secured their immediate borders, but they have never been meddling or aggressor countries. Do you know how many Military Bases China or Korea have outside their territory? None. Zero. Any. NADA! They do not have a single Base. These are verifiable facts. Neither China nor Korea will invade the world; US does... that's DONE, as US does in the Middle East. Iran also does not have a SINGLE MILITARY BASE outside its national territory, and it is surrounded by 16 US Bases, and it is US who call the Iranians Terrorists. Well, very good. You already know. Now, compare the Greatness of the US with the Greatness of China. The "Greatness" of the US is built on the foundations of Piracy, Slavery, Genocide, the Assassination of opponents, Opium Traffic, or Cocaine in its case, and is under the foundations of the weakness of other sovereign nations. LOL….......
@@klchai7884 Thank you, KL! Very much appreciated! We all need to do our part to spread the truth!
Japan SKorea all have to take orders and approvals from the US! don’t tell me they are independent region.... only some level of economic development....
Positive Mindsets, Attention: at 50s' 60s' and the first half of 70s', N.Korean economy was too much better than S.Korea. Just at the second a half US, EU, and Japan widely invested to east and south-east Asia both on finances and technologies, it brought S.Korea's economies have been growing quickly until now. While at the end of 80s', USSR collapsed, it caused N.Korea's economies were collapsed, and at same time US and West started to sanction against N.Korea until now. So these caused S.Korea became a rich and strong country, and N.Korea became a poor and struggling country. For this case: S.Korea has to listen to US, because No US, No S.Korea, same with before N.Korea with USSR.
BS IMy parents in law are FAR FAR more free and happy than with china or north korea You think north Koreans are happy ? !!
Wrong Mindsets Right, some level of economic development! Didnt you copy Japan and Korean high tech and learn from them so much?!
At least they developed and their people benifit. Tell me any countries in the region took orders from you and become developed? More like they ended up selling their pussiee😢
Mutual trade agreements are different from dictats. China dictates terms in its BRI programs, has not produced verifiable accounts of its business activities, on one hand, and steals advance technologies from the US, on the other.
Of course they are independent, liar
That malcolm has no respect for his fellow panelist when he was spewing all the anti chinese rhetoric he address them to the Chinese professer, whereas he shd be addressing the audience. Shallow person.
Hahaha..... Talked as if he is wiser than the others but behaved like "a frog in the well". See is believing, sir. Go to China if you are welcome?
I have to said that my mother is staying Fujian China, she is Catholic，she goes to the church every week. You can talk about religious anywhere and anytime you like in China, no religious restriction in China.
Except if you are Muslim
OK, Satan will believe your words.
@@crowerussel3412 suit yourself if you want to just cover up your ears and live in your own world.
@@dinojoe1788 Go to any Chinese city and search for a Halal restaurant, you will be surprised as to how many there are.
@@hongyiwu7980 And Peng Shuai!!!???
Old brits are terrified of losing the last scraps of their empire.
Wiki lists 168 empires. Guess whose is at the all time number 1? Yup, the British.
*Achievement unlocked* :P
lmao
i used to respect the bbc, now, the bbc is just like the US liberal media.
Yeah. Ask what happened and the answer is very unsettling and could fill a bookshelf.
I'm ex bbc a still bitter ex employee , the worst bullying oppressive attitudes i have ever experienced in my professional life.
You prefer Right Wing Media like Fox News, Breitbart and "Alex Jones" type of media. I'm sure there is a Fascist news channel just waiting for you
@@JonathanBester-eh9cl Communist is more left than liberal.
@@Nron-ni4gjChinese Communism is neither left nor right. It s good for Chinese folks but it is just wrong for the world!
We have just seen how the Law works in the USA and what about Blair and the illegal war on Iraq
Really how
Big stick diplomacy
Rule of law in the West only applies within their own country. When it comes to dealing with foreign countries, western countries will look at the relative power. If you're less powerful than them, then rule BY law applies. That's their oft-cited rules-based world order. Where the rules are made by them, and can & will be changed to their needs and convenience. That's how we get invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria & Libya in the last 20 years.
China is a country. Hard working. You deserve all the respect📜🖋️
So are other countries except they are more cunning than you😢
China is run by criminal bands and families
congrats to the lady, she answered very well. i love the way she answered, very logical and realistic.
She is very smart and very political but she did avoid or brush over the main issues
It amuses me that the lady and CCP tell the UK they are not a threat. It is up to the UK and the British people to form their own opinion. CCP may represent mainland China but they deffinitely do not represent Britain.
@@Andy-P but in 300 years of history is western country and UK threat and invaded others country around the world not China.
@@Eric-hh1de Thats history. The west does not live in the past but tries to learn by it. Sometimes unsuccesfully as Afghan and some other scenarios have revealed. China seems to want to roll the clock back to the Qing. China says they will invade Taiwan. That is the threat to global stability. The west feels threatened by China plan to roll back western civilisation and values. The CCP can 'tell' the world it is not a threat. But some of the world does not see it that way.
@@Andy-P is the Quad not a threat to global security with the focus of anti China just because of Taiwan.. (Taiwan is not without a peaceful option!!)
Some country can not continue keep alive without finding country as a foe.
In politics there are no permanent friends or foes. China foreign policy is always to be a friend, unless refused. They will just walk away.
China's foreigh policy is not always to be friend. Read: www.hoover.org/research/china-us-relations-eyes-chinese-communist-party-insiders-perspective-zhong-gong-yan-zhong
Brits discussing China like they could influence anything, clearly nobody in China wastes time setting up a forum to discuss the UK
Savage
That not how debating works or is about
@@MN-yb8un Why not debate what's on the backside of the moon instead of China China China.
That's because, as Keyu said, China allows for differences between societal systems and so is not bothered by how the U.K. treats it's people, where as the west is less tolerant and more critical. You all have to realize this distinction to understand China.
Nobody is allowed to discuss, we only tell people what’s wrong and what’s right.
I admire that she’s soooo calm of hearing all the craps from her right hand side man.
她没有什么实质性的论据证明她的观点，她自己都不相信自己说的。
I could feel her frustration and exasperation of the anti China narratives coming esp from the guy sitting next to the moderator.
@@周麻雀-e4n 脑回路不清晰，这女的不会辩论
我觉得她说得很好，有理有据，被攻击也能沉着应对。她右边那个老头吃相太难看，胡言乱语
They are right in a lot of way
China: Friend or Foe what a topic for debating?
With due respect to all the three panels. Martin Wolf, Esq., Prof. Keyu Jin and Sir Malcolm Rilkind as well as the commentator Madam Carrie Gracie.
1) Friends has got two ways passages one must know to respect each other than Friendship remains and never can end.
2) Where as one constantly flaunts its muscles around worst still at your doorstep. How not to be "Foe".
With China rising America should in fact be Happy to have a great competitor to Champion all rounds but instead taken the Phobia paths.
What a shamed really.
It's all about American fright. America isn't competitive, so it resorts to war in all its guises.
The most dissapointing aspect is the way western lackeys fall in behind.
China is the rising power and is doing what all rising powers do. Make the world more agreeable to it. America is the current No1 power and is defending its position. So far seen off Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.Can it see off CCP rules China. The nations of the world may soon have decide are things better with America running things or would they be better with China running the show. They are no longer 'friends'
@@Andy-P What is there to defence. China achievement has not challenge to anyone, its another way round the Americans and its Alliance Partners were constantly provocating at China's doorsteps. That proven how frustrating, jealous and selfish they are. They are so habituated of bullying that they just cannot accept the facts that those were days has gone and cannot tolerate that China can tell them off now. Obviously they still couldn't believe it. What an astonishment really.
CHINA Jia yu
@@mkthon3657 Did you not see the Alaskan conference, read about Chinese air force incursions, the 14 points with Australia, SCS claims. That is challanging. For good or bad this is China pursuing her interests. Its Cold War 2 for the moment. Is this behavior welcomed by Japan, Taiwan, Australia, Phillipines, India ect...? If China wins then she will be able to forfill all these objectives. Am sure you will be happy for that.
@@Andy-PThe Alaska high level dialogue with the Cowboys was a splendid lesson China has given them. With the gearing up economy of China, this is the time China should allocate more budget into their defence R&D. Just ignored those Western Worlds criticism do what is benefiting for your own self as a priority.
The Cowboys had done their for decades and that was why they can condemned others now.
Malcolm needs to update his understanding of the modern China. He is living in the past.
Foregone conclusion based on assumption for this second gentleman ! No wonder , USA has so many enemies in the world . Even God will not punish anyone unless proved guilty. USA has lived under this dictatorship , lies , outdated beliefs and hatred .....heading for self destruction !
Chinese propaganda no longer works in the west.
@@chuamengkim6020 Could you pls just be honest
If China behaved like America, THEN we'd really have something to worry about.
Past predicts the future
Western arrogance and xenophobia always fully on display in these discussions.
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Spoken like a leftist who can't see all the evils of China, its crimes, its arrogance and lies, but has unfounded orgasms of hatred for America,
You are really stupid to comment this way as you know nothing about Qin or Han ethnic’s ambition and arrogance to their neighboring small states.
@@OlivePittsOnDesk The real point is that the U.S.A. is a neoliberal warmongering entity run by an elite band on behalf of giant corporations and banksters. It cannot meet the aspirations of its own people who are blinded by the myth of American exceptionalism as the "American dream" rapidly dissolves into a nightmare for the impoverished working-class and the shrinking middle classes! There are only two possibilities, either there will be a revolt in America to bring down the ruling class there or the military-industrial complex will engage in more and larger wars that will have the same result but with a lot more dead people before the end!
@@stevebrindle1724 Yeah you clearly didn't grow up in China or know the history of most nations. Step out of the bubble
Prejudice mindset cannot achieve fair equality and mutual respect
Some people view life as a journey. Some view it as a competition. Some even view it as a torture or punishment. Some as a test. Some a challenge. Some as an opportunity. Then it will decide what they view others as. But losers will usually will view others as an enemy. Foe? What is a foe? What is one's biggest foe?
The biggest foes of oneself is him n herself.
Get real. A foe is one that steals consistently, that extends it's borders and brutalizes it own people, and has no regard for the democratic norms our own countries are based upon. China is a brutal dictatorship and should be stopped by all freedom loving nations. This is not a philosophical question.
china gain benefits , you are a friend . china do not gain any benefits , you are a foe.
Accept differences, let's differ and go friendly.
Osman Jerry accept differences like lack of free speech or elections?
Accept that they don't have a general election to select their government leaders, accept that they have a different degree to freedom of speech. On the first case it's obviously different. On the second case, it's very subjective.just because you prefer not to control means it's a good value? Or what you call universal values is god defined? Your human rights allows gay marriage while most others not willing to accept. If this is the exception than what credibility is in so called universal values? Shall we not allow to adapt to requirements? Please, don't things face values, it's dangerous and not helping to clarify discussion.
@@JXY2019 Elections in China
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China
Mr. Clark ah yes, freedom of speech and elections. We Americans have such political freedoms and are too cowardly to defend them or even use them. Continually voting for the two compromised political parties, and too cowardly to even use our free speech-you can’t even talk about Zionism without being socially assassinated lol.
Yeah, we get to vote and protest, good. Very good. And the State listens oh so intently, in one ear and out the other. And the State continues to work for their parasitic foreign/domestic interests.
So, all that matters is that the facade of political freedom and freedom of speech free from political/State punishment.
We don’t want war-we wage them anyway.
We don’t want to bail out the criminal neoliberal corporate entities that destroyed our economy-we do it anyway.
The middle class continues to be destroyed, jobs continued to be sent over seas, neoliberal transnational corporate economic policies continue to gut the US, more special interest floods into the political milieu, infrastructure continues to decline, blah-blah-blah....but, but we voted for it. Lol.
but usa wants to take down china's economy hence robbing and controlling china .. it isn't a friend or foe talk anymore.. it's about someone else's livelihood!
there was some German dude who said at some war crime trial "you can easily control any population by convincing them that they are under threat".
You're talking about China, right? Before long it will have 100 million facial-recognition cameras, then a billion. That's where the population is being controlled.
dixon pinfold In future when artificial intelligence is widely used in every country, you will find no public place without facial recognition system.
dixon pinfold US government and companies have collected personal secrets for years. The problem is just you don’t know that😂
@@嘻嘻大好人 I know it perfectly well. The trustworthiness of a government is much greater when the constitution imposes multi-party elections. The problem is you just don't know that.
@@嘻嘻大好人 I do not relish that possibility. What comforts me a little is that multi-party elections open up the possibility that limits and safeguards will be introduced on public surveillance. In China, that possibility awaits the growth of a democratic spirit such as that seen in Hong Kong at present.
Here in the West, the government is not your dad. You do not live under his roof. He cannot beat his wife and children and then brag to the world about how smoothly his household runs. Here in the West one can breathe free.
I urge you not to regard democracy as anti-Chinese. If you want a Western system to call anti-Chinese, try communism. Democracy can fit any nation or people, so long as they weren't born to be ruled, and don't prefer to live under the roof of a strict and violent dad. Cheers.
what a stupid question for idiots to figure out .....
China:what did I do wrong?
West:you're wrong because you're strong.
Do you know whats going on with Uighur Muslims, Tibet, north-Korea and Hong Kong? You are demonstrating your ignorance with that statement.
@@adonizi Did you go to china before, if not, shut up your mouth.
Mike Pence's speech at the Hudson Institute: th-cam.com/video/mYAHPPXmcts/w-d-xo.html
Watch interviews of Singapore's first Prime Minister Mr Lee Kuan Yew by the West regarding China to get some good insights.
Watch Miles Kwok's videos. He understands the Chinese Communists so much better.
@@shining-ana418 Come on, are you serious?
@@shining-ana418 know you better now, haha
Just listen to Hong Kong....,
he earn all respect allover the world for his wisom
Jin is great! Beautiful!
Leading China to self destruction economically and environmentally wake up fool
@@steverowe8130 says the one sleeping
@@futurefighter2008 it's so sad you aren't allowed to have independence of thought only be told what to say and do. Enjoy the misery
@@steverowe8130 is that all you can say as a comeback? over the years i've been in china i have seen just the opposite of what u can possibly imagine in ur pathetic approximation of a brain. speaking of misery.
@@futurefighter2008 that covers it all
Malcolm Rifkind just devastated his opposition. And when he went nuclear and called China's government a dictatorship that strictly regulates the internet, there was no reply. Just platitudes.
It's interesting how Malcolm Rifkind used Japan, South Korea, India and Indonesia. India and Indonesia were colonized. Japan and South Korea were forced to opened up and adopted democracy. Japan was controlled by the US ever since they lost WW2. Korea was ruthlessly divided into North and South after WW2. South Korea received support from the US during the Korea War. If you take these facts into consideration, it's obvious how these countries came to adopt a democracy.
What about Taiwan?
@@kiwitrainguy what about Taiwan then?
That’s so true. Malcolm is so biased and paranoid. Advancement of a country to him means conquering and colonizing. It’s just so interesting to hear from him talking about Hong Kong. Mind google how UK got Hong Kong in the first place?
There's another counter-example: Russia is "western" too. There were plenty of opportunities for Russia to become more like western Europe in terms of liberal democracy. So why did it not eventually become a liberal democracy? Why are some of America's flyover states more inclined to support a fascist dictator like Donald Trump?
That's the same reason why some countries in East Asia have resembled the West more (it is a mistake to think of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore as resembling Western Europe because even Japan is not that democratic - Japan is practically a one party democracy).
World benefited more from globalization than China did, If you compare the gross global wealth figures. When Mr. Rifkind was leaving Hong Kong for Beijing worried about rule of law and claiming Chinese leaders had no clue about it, did Hong Kong had democracy? Did British allowed any form of public demonstrations, even peaceful ones, in any of its colonies?
India, Hong Kong, Kenya, SA had British pinal codes which British used to impose laws to their own advantage on their colonial subjects (just what Mr. Rifkind thought China might do to it’s Hong Kong subjects).
I am no fan of China or any other country for that matter but we all should coexist peacefully without threatening or demeaning others. Trump is poisoning humanity in total. Europe should stay away from his rhetorics and maintain healthy relations with other countries particularly China. Britain is left with very little choice unfortunately since Brexit. Trump will make it shine his shoes.
100% agree!
Sir Malcom, could you explain FedEx case ?
Good point. Malcolm dares not mention that.
Julian Assange ?Edward Snowden ?
Malcolm Rifkin comparing the Marshall Plan to the Belt and Road is quite disingenuous. 1:16:47
For starters, the US didn’t gift away infrastructure to all of Western Europe.
US providing financial stability and industrial goods after 4 years of WWII is not equatable to China having the responsibility to rebuild all of Africa after 500 years of European colonial rule.
Two grand parents vs the grand daughter with a totally different view of the world.
Check out who is the father of the grand daughter first. Her father is the banker, founder of AIIB bank at China.😆
It seems that in almost any panel discussing global politics the topic most likely to be discussed is China/America and they always seem to put two westerners against one Chinese. In every case the Chinese panelist is far stronger that the others;.
That "grand daughter " has her agenda. Check out who is her daddy first.😀
@@ggc7318 And the old men are well known American CIA operatives.
In 250 years of existence as a nation, the US has fought against 29 sovereign countries. (In Fact, since 1785, US have been involved, for 219 years, in some kind of war. And this wars, against all varieties of sovereign nations. From going against the Sultan of Morocco, to invading the tiny island of Grenada. Well, this means that in its entire history, it has only had 17 years of peace, and even fewer, cuz here the almost 5 years (1861-1865), of its Civil War of Secession are not counted (Union/Confederates), since this war was not with another country, but against US. And the wars against the Native Nations of America are not counted too, for the same reason). Anyway: US fought against 29 countries. It has "Grown" 711 times the size of its territory from the original 13 colonies. It has provoked with total impunity, Genocides, inside and outside its own borders, and assassinations of Gov’t. Leaders, Coups d'État and Economic Blockades in 6 UN member nations. (Between 1947 and 1989, the US tried to change other nations gov’ts. 73 times. It includes 66 covert Ops. And 7 overt ones. In Civil Wars: The US has taken advantage of and intervened without justification in the following Civil Wars: In Cuba (1898 and 1960). In Haiti (1813 and then 1915-1934). In Colombia (1899-1902 and 1948). In Mexico (1847 and 1914 and again in 1916). In Russia (1918). In the "Republic Banana Wars" of Central America (1912-1934). In Venezuela (1945 and again in 1948). In China (1857, and 1900, and again in 1945-1946-1949). In Korea (1950-1953). In Viet Nam (1959-1975). In Panama (1964 and again 1989). In Central Africa (1969-1974 and 1982-1988). In Nicaragua (1937 and 1985). In Bosnia (1995). In the Philippines (1898 and 1900)... In Kosovo, Libya, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc.). And more: US has almost 800 Military Bases scattered around the world; 93 of which are against China. On the other hand, China and Korea (The "Axis of Evil"), in 1,000 years of history have NEVER invaded anyone. These nations have fought their Civil Wars, defended themselves against foreign invasions, and secured their immediate borders, but they have never been meddling or aggressor countries. Do you know how many Military Bases China or Korea have outside their territory? None. Zero. Any. NADA! They do not have a single Base. These are verifiable facts. Neither China nor Korea will invade the world; US does... that's DONE, as US does in the Middle East. Iran also does not have a SINGLE MILITARY BASE outside its national territory, and it is surrounded by 16 US Bases, and it is US who call the Iranians Terrorists. Well, very good. You already know. Now, compare the Greatness of the US with the Greatness of China. The "Greatness" of the US is built on the foundations of Piracy, Slavery, Genocide, the Assassination of opponents, Opium Traffic, or Cocaine in its case, and is under the foundations of the weakness of other sovereign nations. LOL….......
25k years since we've walked out of the jungle. yet; still the question: " should I treat my fellow human being as a friend or foe..." perhaps a global war every generation serves as the best answer. Intelligence squared? or banality quadrupled.
As long as there are human beings there will always be Songs, Poetry, Art etc.....and War. Such is life on this planet. 🌿 P E A C E to ALL 🙏
Who could fail to notice?
@Gray Kin no thanks. I dont want to eat something which have more intelligents than the human
People in China is friend, but the CCP is foe.
The ladies are a lot smarter than the men on this panel. Martin Wolf is pretty sensible, but Rifkind is just a politician.
However the morons decided to challenge the wise. 😂😂😂
Sir Malcolm Rifkind always speaks as if he is 100% correct on every issue, which has always given me concern because he is often a stranger to the truth. Of course, there are issues with firms in China being subject to state control, which is also the case on a different level in most other countries, particularly the US. Rifkind also skirts around the problem that the UK is often subservient to the US in economic policy, investment etc. It is refreshing that Professor
I remember Rifkind years ago when he used his position to block some development where he lived. He lived if I remember in a little village in Cumbria and was minister of planning and while giving the go ahead for all sorts of controversial planned applications he blocked one that affected where he lived. That is the sort of person they have on these debates
What about transparency such as a statement on conflict of interest?
One thing's for sure...if this was in China, they would've used AI to figure out exactly what the room was thinking, rather than do a guesstimate show of hands.
wait your just a decade or two ahead of the issue. in the future AI will decide everything. at which point we'll all be dead or living in paradise.
And then they would have arrested anyone who disagreed with the CCP
Bull crap. they would have told them what to think and dragged of and beaten and harvested organs from anyone who disagreed.
@Urayis wish l Or the 60ghz death ray.
there wouldn't have been a need … people would have known how to vote.
I am sorry but may i say how mesmerizing her voice is ? I could listen to her talk for hours
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile-hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill
what democracy you talking about when one percent control 75 percent of the wealth of the world you humiliety your self
I recommended him to debate with George Galloway and Martin Jacques and Kishore Mahbubani,Nathan Rick,CGTN- Liu Xin,Zang WeiWei,Victor You and Eric Lee.Think the old man will flat off.
Not exact wording…. “What goes on inside China is their business”.
And then “they have to give their own citizens the freedom like the west does”.
Make up your mind dude.
Susess got nothing to do with freedom, democracy, or Communism, but Socialism has Worked well in Europe Asia and Africa.
Democracy or not.
The Chinese should decide themselves.
Democracy is not democratic if being forced upon.
In your country you do not even have the freedom of life without Fear ---- stop pointing your finder to China ---- China is offering this to all citizens
Let me explain
As it is already solidly proven, for China human rights and democracy means freedom from fear without poverty but with well-being, prosperity, and progress for all its citizens as opposed to the elite 1% and their Giga-Corporations in pseudo-democracies.
Freedom from fear means that your family members especially children are able to walk the streets anytime and anywhere WITHOUT FEAR of shooters, knife attackers, acid-throwers, thieves, rapists, perverts, pedophiles, and racists. China is not a communist country, it’s is a socialistic country with Chinese characteristics including the best elements of a FREE ECONOMY which are good for the people and not the Elite 1% only and Giga-Corporations as in the West..
U cant say that thats not right there prisons are full of innocent people there government are evil there people are Beautiful gentle and kind like every country good and bad look at putin he talks nice also
you mean like the non existing freedom Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are enjoying ? or the financial slavery of EU/US citizens, while the 1% elite's hobbies are rockets for traveling in space, wake up man -- go Facebook and join the Group named Friends of China to open your mind and let truth about China enter your brain -- I mean the truth the 1% elite controlling the EU/US don't want you to know
3) China's culture is measured in thousands of years. It is a culture all humanity would appreciate and loved. It is a friendly culture and not a foe. It has no extremist
elements.
4) China is a nation with friendly legal laws. It does not play around with human rights. It stick to it's Humanity Values with
a lot of time devoted to the family. It doesn't waste time in promoting
divorce , gay rights , and free sex ... and gay marriage.
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Regarding of companies / individuals taking orders from government to do something illegal, here is one example: Fedex purposely send Huawei mail packages to USA for inspection. I don't think Fedex did this for fun, it must take orders from USA government and decided to cooperate.
I am not sure if USA has laws requiring companies to steal info for USA government, but regardless, USA government has way to do this regardless it is by law or not.
As for Huawei, because it is a Chinese company, it is just convenient for people to assume it will steal info for Chinese government, even though there is no proof so far. Can we trust Huawei, not totally, just like you can't trust Cisco or any other international companies. It is the responsibilities of individual countries to safe guard themselves.
This is a very constructive dialogue model for people to talk to each other, it would be naive to think and speak for oneself, just as much so, to think there is a universal perfect solution/route to fix it all in one. The panelists are great, and so are the audience and host.
C.C.P country
interesting seeing how western culture is based around antagonism and gain, while the one outsider here is only working towards to not offend or express superiority
and shes spitting the most actual facts. Our culture has become hate fueled and baseless
China is a friend or foe depending how each country wants the relationship to be. Just like everyone of us we cannot be friend with everyone. We all have different values, different culture and different expectations. And in the end to the West it depends on USA.
japan is a friend. south korea are friends. the Philippines. Australia. those are friends.. not china..
glad i watched this. great topic and interesting public opinion conclusion
Alan Wu : CCP virus(covid 19) could have been contained had they not lied, had they shared information in the onset of the outbreak instead they lied and went to the extent of undercounting the real data. Only now under pressure did China reported increased number of deaths by 50%... to them face saving is more important than accepting the truth, huawei 5G can be used against the West,USA & the whole world...when our country brought them to the court of permanent arbitration China as a mean of getting back suddenly found problems with our bananas and pineapples....do not allow circumstances to become irreversible China will bleed us dry...
I’d like to see the same debate held in China with a Chinese audience and a 2 v1 reversal in the panel , one westerner v 2 Chinese policy / academics
Irrelevant. Xi Jinping's goons will be at their necks if they make one unfavorable assessment about China.
As is evidenced, the one Chinese defended China in every aspect except conceding the fact about religious freedom.
With communist membership and under police watching??
@@crowerussel3412 stop projecting
@@siamcharm7904 China project to the world their wicked evil ways.
"...belligerent towards Taiwan..."
Lol because technically they're still at war?
No armistice or ceasefire was ever signed.
They just restricted visas for Chinese mainlanders wanting to travel to Taiwan.
Today
Yes they did.
Probably posturing for the Taiwanese presidential election.
But these never turn out well for them, the more they intimidate, the pro independence movement get stronger.
@@MRTY323 And Taiwan should have full independence, if that's what the population wants
@@MRTY323 As should Tibet
No foe no friend, just competitors.
Huawei: But I haven’t done anything you can proof
West: we’re afraid of what you might one day somehow be forced to do
Meng Wanzhou signed court documents admitting guilt. Slam dunk. She clearly lied about their dealings with Iran. And Huawei, a major, multinational corporation, is just another tentacle of the CCP.
Please get Cyrus janssen for his apinion he has spent 10 years living in China, and check with the expat they feel safer in China than America,
Please do your research,
You name a foe , you make a foe.
I am sure you dont want to be friend with a guy who holds dark motives and secrecies? He ll stab you in the back as he has been doing it for years!
In the first place, a foes acts like a foe and cannot hide the fact, especially the arrogance of an ungrateful China.
@@jonroyyubeleno532 what and when should china be grateful of and to whom should china bow their head to..
@@troutstalker4744 you obviously know your arrogance has no bound!
@@jonroyyubeleno532 Please establish the reference first before one can said to be arrogance or ungrateful. Should the blacks in the West remain grateful to their masters for ever since their masters brought them advancement to a certain extend at present than before ?
Next time invite Eric Li so he can take over the debate. Keyu Jin was played like a violin.
UK and US are still thinking of colonies the world. Old habits never die..
Did that guy just sugarcoat separatism as "seek to have an aspiration their own fate"? Last time a bunch of southern states had that same "aspiration", and US broke out in total civil war. As for the United Kingdom, why don't we give North Ireland a taste of their own fate as well?
"DO NOT judge and criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves."
New Testament Matthew 7:1
Come on dude .. Chinese Communist people dont believe in any Saint or Matthew. They only care about their belly and that s it
Ironic, the CCP makes Christians 'disappear'
The Monroe Doctrine had been a US foreign policy that made the nation strong. Communism ideology has long gone in China.
I do understand why those elite politicians keep attacking China, because they have nothing good to offer to their own people. Blaming others to distracte people from their incompetence. People are fooled into hatred sentiment.
@@SuperSoliton There are reasons to critique China beyond just Communism
unfortunitely religion do not count in politics!.. lmao!
1:20:20 Martin's pragmatic view of the world!.....collaboration is much better than WARS!!!!!
Here's an interesting message:
Imagine if US & China WORK TOGETHER for the BETTERMENT of HUMANITY?
The World unite & prosper, just like in the serial Star Trek.
United Nation is the result of this kind of revolutionary idea, post WW1
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Very simplistic views from Malcolm. To make it simple: democracy will not stop a country from using force. A strong democratic China would definitely take back both Taiwan and HK, even sooner than you know it. A democratic but weak China would definitely take back HK, but perhaps would not have the power to take back Taiwan.
Regarding border disputes, a simple fact is China borders with many countries. That alone largely explains why China is having more border disputes. India borders with only few countries, and yet it has border disputes with China, Pakistan, Bhutan, Myanmar and Nepal.
South China sea disputes are similarly partly due to geographical reasons. Vietnam and China are so close together inevitably there will be overlapping claims. There is nothing out of ordinary with that.
It's depressing to see how people are blind to such simple facts by political bias.
UK definitely behaves like a subject and not just an ally.
The very question discussed is it's own answer. A partner that deliberates aloud on whether it's more profitable to be your friend or enemy, cannot be a friend. This holds not only for people, but for nations. I even begin to wonder, how much the USA can trust a partner such as the UK.
Countries do not have friends - they have interests.
Why should USA care about a vassal state such as UK . The CIA has all their information in their pocket.
@@canarycanary27 Yes, but the British are a country - yet they easily resort to to such words. Seems, they expect to lure some young nations or tribes, the way Jimmy Savile lured children.
"how much the USA can trust a partner such as the UK" - ...or the other way 'round...
or rather how far the EU, especially Germany can trust the USA. In my opinion, distrust is advisable. As said in the discussion, the US even see Germany's automobile industry as a threat. Globalists and free market propagandists reveal their true face, when the world around them challenges their supremacy.
The Belt and Road initiative finances infra structure projects that are able to generate return on investment provided that these built facilities are properly managed when completed. Projects such as roads, harbors, railways, power station, oil and gas etc are all economic stimulants. It's a gross misconception that such projects burden the recipient countries.
Its a gamble but on right path, allow them countries people to make a living a litte easier...
@Mahesh Shende -- Countries are like people, it's better to be given a chance to learn to manage than not given a chance at all. Question is: Is it wrong to have a program that would result in benefiting all from social-economic enhancement ? When the bank gives you a business loan you can choose to view it as an enhancement of your capital, or are you going to view it as a trap ? The cruel reality is that bank loans often have much higher risk of being a trap than inter-government project financing which enjoy much wider diplomatic flexibility. I haven't seen China spreading Communism in the belt and road initiative, have you ?
@@billhong4216 The problem is that democratic leaders will agree to a large loan just to look good at home. They may use it to help get them reelected. The non democratic leaders will do it for the bribes. Either way, it may not be in the best interest of the people. Some are, there are few projects that have excelled expectations. But overall they are not really beneficial to their home countries for a few reasons.
These are always built using Chinese companies and Chinese labor, so the loan goes directly back into the pockets of the Chinese. The next thing that only the USA and China seem to understand is that you cannot leave those places undefended. China said they wouldn't need to guard BRI initiatives with troops but they are already telling former generals (it is how China tests the waters on new information and helps get that information out slowly so its not a complete shock and a story. The US uses retired generals too but mostly it just leaks to the press when it wants to do the same) to talk to the press about how they would eventually need troops in the area to protect their interests.
Btw collectivists governments don't want to spread collectivism to other nations, it makes rivals. They never get along unless they have they share an enemy.
@Mahesh Shende my indian friends said that cow dung is indian delicacy. It is the national pride of india.
@Mahesh Shende are you craving for your cow dung delicacy? Too much saliva that you can only come out with gibberish.
Martin Wolf really put down Malcolm :" we hope to behave in a sensible,mature,grown up fashion "
dealing with facts and information
instead of hearsay, and imaginary fears.
I wonder what the panel thinks about the CCP's threats to 'nuke' Japan, India, America, Australia and others ???
My question is: how would China know that the Telecom Co. of Britain is not run by its government? Come on, guys, we're not born yesterday.
you need to read a book not waste on things you dont understand. China dont do anything they cant tie you up on a contract to rob or steal something. so now it concerns is clear.,,, and you should go to bed.
@@slammerlo510 I'll just ask you a very simple question. How would you describe consents and knowledged everytime somebody asked you to affix your signature in a certain document? Let's see how good you can explain it.
You should go play ..I don't have the time to tell you something u supposed to know
@@googlerwunn7344 you need to hide before you org get harvest
@@slammerlo510 I don't need to hide from anybody who wants me to believe their lies . I've been waiting here ready all the time.
How much do you know China to talk about the subject? How China managing their country is their own affairs, who are you to tell 1.4 billion people how they should be ruled
So it s ok for you to stay safe in America and keep an arm length from the CCP while preaching how awesome China is. Isn't it a double standard?
I wonder who has the right to tell how hongkong should follow China ? Hongkong is completely western society , why should they follow Chinese communist party?
The guy says : the government must abide the law
I say : Hypocrite!!!
DHL.. Double Standard, Hypocrisy & Lies.
Tony Blair
Four years passed - with the benefits of hindsight, we now know what the 2 men said are wrong.
Has China shown aggresiveness in the recent era as compared to US. The US is fighting war every where, why are you not condamn them.
China just rammed Vietnamese fishing boats today and beaten up their captain to sign the paper to acknowledge they are in Chinese territory. Yeah like the Chinese never done anything bad!
@@hectoOutFirstly not wanna discuss right or not of the Vietnam one. But why does everyone blame China?? America did a lot worse than China such as Iraq, Afghanistan. Hundreds of battle took place after ww2 and millions of people homeless. China is dictatorship in your thoughts. But America's allies like Dubai are dictatorship as well and their rule is worse. Then Who's more deserving blaming??
The biggest threat to world peace has been the US and still is. But just because the US is bad doesn't excuse the wrong doing of other countries either. The subject of this talk is about China, not how bad the US is. The Chinese Communist Party says that it has no bad intentions and wants to be friends with everyone... while they steal tech from other countries. So can we excuse bad acts, just because the US is worse in China's opinion? We must hold all bad governments to account. At least the US has laws to protect IP, while China can steal IP and not be held accountable for this theft. As a non US citizen my IP can be protected in the US. It cannot be protected in China.
@@romlyn99 so what do you guys expect from China. Be careful! it's a 1.4 billion population country while no government in this world had experience to deal with it. CCP did good enough to solve poverty and GDP problems. The daily life turns better in mainland compare to the past.
@@kelfstar563 True. They are 1.4 Billion people. So I should be careful... because China will do what to me? Are you saying they will go to war? Sounds like you are saying, if we hold China accountable for its wrong doing then we might face consequences for speaking out? Sounds like censorship. As for solving poverty... the WTO say the global poverty line is $2 a day. So all you have to do is give someone $3 a day and he is technically out of poverty. That statistic can be manipulated. It doesn't mean that billions of people have a great quality of life. But what I will say is that China is doing its best to grow and be good people. I think the Chinese people are great people. I think Americans are great people. I would say the US government and its war machine is a threat to world peace and I don't trust the US government either. The Chinese people are not the same as the Chinese Communist Party. Do you think the millions of protestors in Hong Kong are scare of 1.4 billion Chinese people? They are not. The protestors in Hong Kong understand that they are fighting the rule of the Chinese Communist Party, they are not fighting the Chinese people. So we do need to be careful. It is not the 1.4 billion Chinese people we need to be careful of, it is the intentions of the Chinese Communist Party that we need to be careful of. So thank you for that warning... I will be very careful of the CCP.
Very interesting debate. All experts lending their opinion. However it’s a seemingly biased, afraid of Chinese domination!
@47:52 That's perfect!
Wow... Malcolm, you dare bring up the Indian/China border dispute? I wonder how that problem came to being SIR?
@1:11:03 ROFL~!!!!
All these issues come as China arise again as a superpower. And it is of a different political system as western world. There are nothing can change, so I am reasonably pathetic about any western influence or critic will re-shape the political system. As far as the political system will be welfare and better life for Chinese people, it will stay that way. With tremendous young people get higher education, the society will be more and more civilized.
The panel doesn't acknowledge or doesn't know about that on China's part "Trade War" is a form War without war weapons. But, it is war none the less.
26:05 - If a British company was ordered to interfere in the business of another country... So... like seizing gold per se? Or placing a ban on doing business with certain companies/countries?
Seems like there are at least a few unwritten laws that allow for such interference in Britain.
The Marshal plan gave grant to Europe because US needed a strong Europe to face off a strong USSR.Thus all efforts were used to make Western Europe as industrialized as possible to act as a proxy to USSR, while US could deal with South America and the war in Asia.
Why should the Belt and Road project be free? When a country agreed upon the project, it should take the responsibility to pay the debt. It is the spirit of doing business. How could some of the world leaders blame China on this problem? They didn't do anything to help those countries in Asia or Africa and just criticized without any reasons. If the business dealing is done in a fair fashion, it should be respected.
As an Asian(Indian), I am proud that China is giving the West sleepless nights. I hope China rises as a global power and India ultimately becomes a friend of China.
@@fangzhenhotmailcom "restore the history glory" lol. sounds exactly like white supremacists
@@youtou252 see a doctor for your ears, seriously
@@iscream6516 No, hes right. The reason white supremacists are seen as fucking weird is that there is no white country, they are from all over. However India and Chinese say the exact same thing, because their ethnicity is their Nationality, and no one cries foul even tho your ideology is the same.
@Ashutosh singh Should, but they won't. Just like all of Africa should unite, but they won't. You all seem to hate each other more than you hate the 'western devils'.
The Belton road Initiative It's surrounding India That doesn't seem like something someone who wants to be friends would do Surrounding a country In countries that can't help Suspicious