The trim technique just works. One thing that really helped me was my instructor telling me to just look out and stop chasing the gages. Looking at your horizon and glancing in is much better. You'll be shocked at how much better you hold altitude by just looking outside.
I want to echo this too. I had serious problems my first few instructions with even just holding steady level flight. Me and my CFI did a dedicated lesson where I just didn't look at the instruments once we were trimmed for altitude, doing shallow turns and steady flight, and I ended up holding altitude spot on once I started being earnest about solely looking for sight picture. Last lesson, we did steep turns and slow flight. My first several shots at each, the airplane maybe moved 20 feet vertically through the entire maneuver. Then of course I started overthinking and looking inside the aircraft too much, and screwed them up 😅 But, I reflected on it, and we're going to work on it next flight. If you're just now learning VFR, keep your eyes outside the cockpit! I picked up some nasty habits of instrument-gazing from playing flight sim for over a decade, starting in middle school. Save that for IFR!
The best thing about steep turns is that they're fun. Steep turns were a turning point in my flight training. I felt one with the plane in a way I had never felt before. My instructor noticed and told me "whatever you had for breakfast today, eat more!"
This video couldn't of came at a better time, Im practicing steep turns tomorrow with my CFI and I needed pointers. Thanks for the video. Subbed and liked.
His trim tip was a major help for me. He didn't mention it here but get yourself all set up before hand. GUMPS check, power where you want it, trimmed out.
Im Im training for my PPL In Canada and just learned steep turns not long after attitudes and movements. Very interesting stuff that when I started I never thought I would learn in theory
This technique has helped me tremendously, I started using this from a previous video and it just simple WORKS!! Thanks for sharing and happy flying everyone!
Take note: I followed this procedure while flying alone, like Jason and dialed trim in almost perfectly but be aware once you're doing steep turns with your 190 lb. DPE in the right seat everything changes and those trim settings probably won't apply. Practice with your flight instructor in right seat for more realistic checkride scenario.
Jason, I’ve been watching you since I was working on my private and now I’m working on my CFI! Guess who I’m going to be showing to all of my students as their homework before they show up for their maneuver lessons ;) great work man!!
IT ABSOLUTELY WORKED! I'm really impressed.The altitude indicator was going nowhere thanks to the 3-trim technique. I'll do it on my checkride soon even though it feels like cheating 😂
I recently started my flight training and learned steep turns. They are so much fun! Thank you for the videos. It is awesome to have my CFI tell me to look something up and you have these videos. They have helped a ton! We are going into slow flight, power on stalls and power off stalls in a couple of days and I am happy I know what to expect. Keep up the awesome videos! THANKYOU!!!!
I have never used trim in steeps, preferring to have the feedback from the heavy nose tell me I'm not in a normal flight condition (which could inadvertently occur at some other time) and that recovery is needed. The FAA Handbook indicates that "The decision whether to use trim depends on the airplane characteristics, speed of the trim system, and preference of the instructor and learner".
Jason I use your videos in learning more when I'm put flying. I would love to fly with you some time I am brining my archer iii down to FL soon . Can't wait to see you at sun ans fun
Always waited for this topic. Thank you Jason! Also, I’m not seeing any in flight coffee episodes on Saturday’s anymore? Are you taking a break from it? Or the episodes have ended? Please let me know. Thanks again!
Great video Mentor really helped alot actually, you actually explained it better than my instructor did a few months ago, looking forward to seeing more of your videos. Regarding power in the steep turn, should you increase it a little or keep it at say straight and level power or cruise power?
I'll try trim the next practice. My cfi taught me to add a small bit of power as I cross through the 30o point of the steep turn to compensate for the horizontal component of left. What happens if I add power, do I just add a little less nose up trim?
My instructor taught me that for steep turns the power is to reduce the need to hold a lot of back pressure. Sounds like the trim technique achieves a similar result.
@@glennwatson Yes, I agree. I'm just wondering if I should try the combo of both. In fact, my cfi and the cfi for my check ride will probable be concerned if I don't bump power as I pass through that 30o back point.
Unfortunately, the trim trick is useless for Warriors in winter here in New England. Piper flyers, you understand. Looking forward to trying it in summer though. One thing that helped me was to just fly the maneuver slowly. I was using too many rpm and it was hit or miss. Just go nice and easy.
Good tips! I do have a few questions though, how much bank should I put into my steep turn? And what airspeed should I maintain through the maneuver? Should I be using trim to maintain my altitude through the maneuver?
Nice,, love your style and this video. i was actually wondering about , when i pull on the stick, RV9A, in a turn , and i feel that G force,, i like it but , when does it break? so i was thinking about Va and , ended up finding your video, which is great, and i find it helpful, and it is great for what you were talking about Steep Turns. I am asking some related questions,, so in theory if the RV9A has like a 3.8 + g design, then , if i pull back on the stick and i just discovered it has a G meter so if i look at the G meter and it is less than 2, i am thinking , doesn't this answer the question it is ok to do this and it will not break? and further, Va , which would have it stall before breaking,, let's guess the Va is 110knots, but that goes down with not full tanks and me alone so less than gross weight, and slowing too much risks an accelerated stall, , slow deep breaths do you see the convergence of questions? i am guess you do and you could do a video talking about this. I want to feel that pull when i bank over and pull the stick abruptly but , i also worry that abrupt stick pull is different than your sort of gradual roll into a 45 degree turn here,, ???
Brother man, I just finished my PPL checkride last week! PA28 is difficult for steep turns and ground reference. You will eventually get it. My problem in archer was landing lol but I did it!
@@RiddlesDNinja cool, thanks for the information. Does high density altitude make a difference. I live at 7200’, Albuquerque is at 5260’ or so. It gets 90-100+ in the summer.
@@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550 high density altitude will reduce your aircraft performance, engine power and thrust. so yes, add more power during hot days
The trim technique just works. One thing that really helped me was my instructor telling me to just look out and stop chasing the gages. Looking at your horizon and glancing in is much better. You'll be shocked at how much better you hold altitude by just looking outside.
I want to echo this too. I had serious problems my first few instructions with even just holding steady level flight. Me and my CFI did a dedicated lesson where I just didn't look at the instruments once we were trimmed for altitude, doing shallow turns and steady flight, and I ended up holding altitude spot on once I started being earnest about solely looking for sight picture. Last lesson, we did steep turns and slow flight. My first several shots at each, the airplane maybe moved 20 feet vertically through the entire maneuver.
Then of course I started overthinking and looking inside the aircraft too much, and screwed them up 😅 But, I reflected on it, and we're going to work on it next flight.
If you're just now learning VFR, keep your eyes outside the cockpit! I picked up some nasty habits of instrument-gazing from playing flight sim for over a decade, starting in middle school. Save that for IFR!
Thanks I'll try it because I find my eyes are glued to the panel
I spent like 90% of my time on the gauges starting out 🤣 It does help just to look outside.
The best thing about steep turns is that they're fun.
Steep turns were a turning point in my flight training. I felt one with the plane in a way I had never felt before. My instructor noticed and told me "whatever you had for breakfast today, eat more!"
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If YT would let me give this video 10 stars.... I would!
Love the emphasis on use of trim.
I’m loving my new ground school subscription….
This video couldn't of came at a better time, Im practicing steep turns tomorrow with my CFI and I needed pointers. Thanks for the video. Subbed and liked.
His trim tip was a major help for me. He didn't mention it here but get yourself all set up before hand. GUMPS check, power where you want it, trimmed out.
I start Monday the 3 ground reference maneuvers were not as easy as I thought the should be.
Im Im training for my PPL In Canada and just learned steep turns not long after attitudes and movements. Very interesting stuff that when I started I never thought I would learn in theory
This technique has helped me tremendously, I started using this from a previous video and it just simple WORKS!! Thanks for sharing and happy flying everyone!
Take note: I followed this procedure while flying alone, like Jason and dialed trim in almost perfectly but be aware once you're doing steep turns with your 190 lb. DPE in the right seat everything changes and those trim settings probably won't apply. Practice with your flight instructor in right seat for more realistic checkride scenario.
Excellent video I'll try this technique in the next hour of practice. Thanks!
Jason, I’ve been watching you since I was working on my private and now I’m working on my CFI! Guess who I’m going to be showing to all of my students as their homework before they show up for their maneuver lessons ;) great work man!!
You’re a great guy Jason
IT ABSOLUTELY WORKED! I'm really impressed.The altitude indicator was going nowhere thanks to the 3-trim technique. I'll do it on my checkride soon even though it feels like cheating 😂
I've struggled with steep turns and used your trim technique today and they were perfect. Was a game changer.
Jason always makes it look so easy! Steep turns are very challenging for me. Can’t wait to try this technique!
Hey Jason, you're such a great instructor. Awesome job!👍🏼
Trim technique looks like it works great. I'll try it today
My favorite. Took some practice to do this in the sr20 with electric trim.
Thank you so much for sharing your flying tips. I tried this yesterday and on my 172 M, 2 turns on the trim tab was perfect. Really appreciate it!
My flight school says 222: "TO forty-five degrees, TWO nose-up trims, TWO hundred more rpms."
I will have to use this technique with my CFI, she might be impressed
Steep turns is such a cool maneuver. I used the (almost full) moon just after sunset as my roll-in/roll-out heading point once. Kinda fun.🛩😁
I love your videos. I learn so much from these. I appreciate you telling us the way.
Great video! I tend to have an issue with altitude control on steep turns. I will certainly try the trim trick next time!
Great presentation. Thanks
I recently started my flight training and learned steep turns. They are so much fun! Thank you for the videos. It is awesome to have my CFI tell me to look something up and you have these videos. They have helped a ton! We are going into slow flight, power on stalls and power off stalls in a couple of days and I am happy I know what to expect. Keep up the awesome videos! THANKYOU!!!!
I have never used trim in steeps, preferring to have the feedback from the heavy nose tell me I'm not in a normal flight condition (which could inadvertently occur at some other time) and that recovery is needed. The FAA Handbook indicates that "The decision whether to use trim depends on the airplane characteristics, speed of the trim system, and preference of the instructor and learner".
Very nice techniques
One of the best training books for new pilots. William k kershner the student pilot flight manual. Good channel.
Fantastic teaching 👍
Great video as always. Teaching style is awesome. Love it.
Great stuff Jason... Thank you So much for your effort to make These great Videos.... 👍👍
Another fantastic video Jason!!!!
Great learning video...thx Jason.
I love your teaching style. Good stuff
I love it thank you Jason!
I did the trim technique on both my Private and Commercial checkrides. The DPE seemed to like it
My rental checkout guy said I cheated this week using trim, but then said use every tool. I wished I had learned this earlier.
Good stuff thank you!
Thank you 🙏
Jason I use your videos in learning more when I'm put flying. I would love to fly with you some time I am brining my archer iii down to FL soon . Can't wait to see you at sun ans fun
Great Video. Very Interesting Manuever. Thank You.
Time to practice this
Always waited for this topic. Thank you Jason! Also, I’m not seeing any in flight coffee episodes on Saturday’s anymore? Are you taking a break from it? Or the episodes have ended? Please let me know. Thanks again!
IFC will be back at a later date. Just taking a break 🙂
@@coachraythepilot5759 thank you for the updates! We hear your name a lot from Jason all the time :) keep up the good work!
Most excellent!
Great video Mentor really helped alot actually, you actually explained it better than my instructor did a few months ago, looking forward to seeing more of your videos. Regarding power in the steep turn, should you increase it a little or keep it at say straight and level power or cruise power?
At 30 degrees you wanna add a little bit of power as you roll into 45 degrees then when you roll out of your steep turn reduce the power
Thank You!!
The best! Appreciate it unc!
G,day Jason from Sydney Australia.
That was perfect fly conditions with a glimpse of Florida keys: I estimate 7000' sea level.
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Thank you for the flight, did I miss the drink cart? As always very informational.
great!!!!
I’m gonna try that nice 👍
What a view! 😳
🙏 thank you 🙏
I'll try trim the next practice. My cfi taught me to add a small bit of power as I cross through the 30o point of the steep turn to compensate for the horizontal component of left. What happens if I add power, do I just add a little less nose up trim?
My instructor taught me that for steep turns the power is to reduce the need to hold a lot of back pressure. Sounds like the trim technique achieves a similar result.
@@glennwatson Yes, I agree. I'm just wondering if I should try the combo of both. In fact, my cfi and the cfi for my check ride will probable be concerned if I don't bump power as I pass through that 30o back point.
Honest question, are you trimming up? The aircraft I fly has the trim on the ceiling so I'm not 100% sure from just watching the video.
Love it
Unfortunately, the trim trick is useless for Warriors in winter here in New England. Piper flyers, you understand. Looking forward to trying it in summer though. One thing that helped me was to just fly the maneuver slowly. I was using too many rpm and it was hit or miss. Just go nice and easy.
Love trim
Jason, when done w left turn, you don’t go into right turn immediately ?
Good tips! I do have a few questions though, how much bank should I put into my steep turn? And what airspeed should I maintain through the maneuver? Should I be using trim to maintain my altitude through the maneuver?
Nice,, love your style and this video. i was actually wondering about , when i pull on the stick, RV9A, in a turn , and i feel that G force,, i like it but , when does it break? so i was thinking about Va and , ended up finding your video, which is great, and i find it helpful, and it is great for what you were talking about Steep Turns. I am asking some related questions,, so in theory if the RV9A has like a 3.8 + g design, then , if i pull back on the stick
and i just discovered it has a G meter so if i look at the G meter and it is less than 2, i am thinking , doesn't this answer the question it is ok to do this and it will not break? and further, Va , which would have it stall before breaking,, let's guess the Va is 110knots, but that goes down with not full tanks and me alone so less than gross weight, and slowing too much risks an accelerated stall, , slow deep breaths do you see the convergence of questions? i am guess you do and you could do a video talking about this. I want to feel that pull when i bank over and pull the stick abruptly but , i also worry that abrupt stick pull is different than your sort of gradual roll into a 45 degree turn here,, ???
I'll give your trim technique a go next time I'm up. Any experiences with it being different in the P28A's?
Looking for this too!!! ^^^
Brother man, I just finished my PPL checkride last week! PA28 is difficult for steep turns and ground reference. You will eventually get it. My problem in archer was landing lol but I did it!
Interesting, I will try the trim technique next time! BTW don’t you add any power in a steep turn? That’s what I was taught …
Me too!
I used the Mzero trim technique a
I wish you were my instructor at KFMY
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Does MzeroA train for Sport Pilot Certification? Thanks
How much in rpm do you add as you pass 30 degrees when going into a steep turn?
In my plane it's around 150 rpm. C-172S
@@RiddlesDNinja cool, thanks for the information. Does high density altitude make a difference. I live at 7200’, Albuquerque is at 5260’ or so. It gets 90-100+ in the summer.
@@messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550 high density altitude will reduce your aircraft performance, engine power and thrust. so yes, add more power during hot days
Hi ,
We don’t trim to change attitude or during transit manoeuvres, we do trim to hold attitude,
Ireland, EASA syllabus
Think of trim as how you set airspeed. For any power setting the trim will determine your speed whether you are descending, level or climbing.
When Iam doing steep turns but convective air is pushing me up what should I do to compensate?
Ah, now there's a technique I wasn't taught waaaaaay back when...now as a "Rusty Pilot" working my way back into the cockpit I'll give it a whirl.
Please help me to study free online ppl course.
I never seem to get the trim right and always fight the yoke for level flight.
When I learned to fly in the 70s, we did steep turns at 60 degrees of bank. When did they change to 45 degrees?
Same question, I also learned to fly in the 70s.
spin stalls
Steep turns over flat land is easy. Try it in the mountain states. Not as easy.
Is this a 45 degree?
And lets face it, steep turns makes us GA pilots feel like Maverick in a fighter jet!!!!haha
Even a poorer man’s autopilot is the control yoke lock.
Fly a Pitts Special. Most of your entire flight will be in a steep turn.
Trim technique does not work in a Cherokee 180, not complaining but is just dose t work in all aircraft..
Er, how steep is steep supposed to be?
the way you teach make other instructor look bad
Steep turns are risky. Too much stall risiko
So basically for no reason lol
Jason, take the Mic out of your mouth. You are suppose to talk over, not into the Mic!
Obviously you are voulenteering to buy hin a better mike
Very good video. I love the subject.