Why Are Men in Crisis? | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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Scott Galloway and Matt Welch join Bill to discuss the factors driving young American men toward toxicity.
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“The young men who do not feel the warmth of the tribe will burn down the village to feel it” African proverb
Wow! Brilliant synopsis!
well that's what they're doing
Neat.
does it say anything about sex? or are we meant to infer that?
Could be time to break the power grid
A young male coworker of mine took his own life yesterday. And I have no idea what to think about it. He was a good kid. Quiet. Easy going. It's just sad. Horribly sad.
That is sad. They didn’t even bring up the higher suicide rates in men I don’t think. The fact that doesn’t get more attention…is sad. We keep telling men they have privilege…..yet many many men are struggling and need help….and there are so few resources allocated to helping men.
Don't think anything about it. By taking his own life he did the most selfish thing he could have done. He didn't think about how it would effect you or any of the people who loved him. Don't give him the respect he didn't give you.
@@stimproid oh stop with "it's such a selfish thing to do". He was tortured inside his own brain and you want to say that he should have just toughened up and suffered so the people around him wouldn't feel all ewwwey.
L + ratio
Society doesn't care about m en's lives. So many m en gone in every conflict.
I'm a 24 year old man who went to school and got a bachelor's degree, learned that I'm more comfortable in blue collar work, and chose working on the railroad. Everything said by the panel is spot on. It's amazing how quickly women my age make assumptions about my values and how differently I was treated when I was on "the college fast track" as opposed to how I'm treated now.
I’m 40, have several qualifications including diplomas, yet have chosen mostly blue collar jobs over the last 20 years. I have no debt besides the house, have been with a woman that loves me for nearly 15 years, house nearly paid off, and have never been out of work for 20 years.
Yet, women I know that have college degrees look down on men like myself, they sleep around with strangers, are in large amounts of debt, are stuck renting, show narcissistic traits way too often, and blame men for their situation.
@@emmm4495 And men do the same.
@@emmm4495 The route of the problem is the system. Eventually people will see this.
dude chill out you're fucking 24 lol
Same. Women would throw their numbers at me bc I was good looking/funny/charming but ghost me a soon as I told them I was an electrician. I have a liberal arts bachelors but that didn’t matter bc my job is blue collar. I always says women really have to measure up in one or two dimensions. Men have to measure up in numerous dimensions.
That statistic at 1:46 is absolutely mind blowing. Sex deprivation, lack of direction, depression without anyone really caring, loneliness, and the constant pressure from society to live up to a certain standard and the internal and external shame that goes along with not doing so are all huge issues with young men these days, yet so many people simply don’t care and even ridicule men for having them.
men are second class citizens unless they're jewish
No one really give a F@CK. They are only worried of the consequences of the reaction of these young men.
I've had the same experience for the last 15 years of my adult life and I'm a female. We live in a society that is not conducive towards community or even human interaction. Everything about the suburbs is built around never having to socialize. You don't even have to socialize to order food, go grocery shopping or go to work. It's a huge disaster for everyone; men and women alike. Women are just better at handling it than men. Men are wired differently.
I will say that the only thing I've ever found off putting about men is resentment and hatred. Looks were never an issue for men, weight wasn't really that big of a deal. Income was only an issue if you were in your mom's house. I don't think most women are entirely picky in that regard, I think most women are willing to give men a chance. It's just that opportunities for dating are limited to these silly dating apps. if you're a guy who isn't having luck, I definitely recommend some meet up groups.
@@felixthecat2786 Women don't have to handle as much rejection to the degree as men do.
@@Joaquinonbasstheelectriklovein Because women don't ASK men out to be rejected to begin with. If a woman accepted ANY man that asked, she would've ended up being a single mother that the Manosphere hates so much. Women have so much to loose by sleeping with a man she isn't married to. It's logic and common sense yet men are still crying about it. The egg doesn't chase the sperm.
One factor I felt that wasn't discussed, and is honestly not discussed enough when this subject comes up, is the lack of friendships many people have today. If you don't have friends, there's really no other realistic outlet for you to meet someone than by a dating app. If you have friends though, you could meet people through their social networks, friends of friends, or just while out one night.
Absolutely! The whole “I don’t need anyone” or being proud to be strong on your own is good to an extent. If you’re actually lonely and have no relationships with people to nurture then a human will feel lost. Unless someone is an on the spectrum introvert type idk. Being social is so important to humans and Covid proved that. I agree the work from home life is terrible for most when taking this angle into account.
Very important point
Three easy outlets: 1 Walk a dog twice a day (doesn't have to be your dog). You meet people more easily. You're more available to meet. 2 Work as a waiter. You have to talk to people, you meet people easily, and you're more available than when you are alone playing video games. 3. (edit) Go to church, volunteer, take an adult education class, go to the gym - even if it's all guys, some have sisters and mothers.
@@DJ-sv7xf I’ve seen people at Dog parks avoiding everyone else but allowing their dogs to play. I was a Bartender/Server and I actually miss it because of how social I got to be. Some people sucked of course but for the most part it was frequent guests so it was nice
@@victor-manuelsaldana5058 There you go! Limo, cashier, or party bus driver might work - do it bc it's fun and see who gravitates toward you. I even got asked out when I was driving a roach coach.
"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them." - Henry David Thoreau. This isn't a new phenomenon, it's just gotten worse.
Nothing new under the sun. In the past, men would raid other villages or revolt. I can't wait. It's coming soon..
... has it really gotten worse. naturally.... or did we just add PigPharma Psyche Drugs to the mix.... from pre-puberty....
@@nealtauss1715 psychiatric drugs have been around for decades. Stop with the conspiratorial shit.
It did get worse, pharmaceuticals are compounding the problem for subset of pre disposed people.
Seeing the big picture is key.
@@nealtauss1715 I think it’s just culture in general. Social media, porn, hook up dating apps, lack of loyalty, commitment, respect or care towards a significant other.
Not including the rising cost of living, inflation, civil unrest, and divisiveness in this country.
This is absolutely one of the most serious issues in society, yet it’s a subject that is either dismissed completely like it doesn’t exist at all or is frowned upon to discuss. There is so much to unpack, please keep this topic at the forefront and help raise awareness for the crisis men are facing.
this issue is only second to the epidemic of gold digging whores that bill burr was talking about
Biggest issue today is men masturbating. Ruining not only their views of women but their ability to talk to them - not to mention ejaculating literally drains your life force.
Try raise this issue on Twitter and get shredded, because its just more "misogynyTM" The amount of man hate on there is astounding, including men who only stick up for women, but not themselves. 😐
@@mokiloke Why even use twitter or social media for that matter? What happened to meeting up in the real world?
@@Koozwad Im with you, i would if i was able. I use twitter for mainly work purposes. My view is that social media is one of the cornerstones at the end of democracy. Real world meeting is so important and I fear we have doomed genZ to be glued to a screen.
that initial applause says it all, extinction is coming
Much thanks to feminist ideals.
Yeah, that's an awful statistic. Not something to cheer.
It isn't just that these facts are true, its that much of society delights in those things being true.
nah just the misandrists delight in this
@@pjruffin7191 I hope you’re right
Not sure the facts are true though. The only 1 in 3 men under 30 have had sex in the last year seems to be incorrect. He may have just misspoken because it seems to be the other way round i.e. 1 in 3 haven't had sex in the last year.
Agreed, and it seems to me that his show in particular attracts some of the dumbest audience members I think I have ever seen or heard.
@@firthio2 These are facts. 1 in 3 under 30. Women only go for the bad boys, then complain after about toxic men. They only go for the 10% toxic Chad and Tyrones. Feminism led to that. xD
This all should have been brought up 10 years ago when it was obvious social media was the problem. Instead most people ignored it and we have an entire generation that’s beyond repair
Porn addicts
@Ryan. Nobody is beyond repair Ryan, nobody. The fact that you wrote this has already lead you closer to Christ. Look up, just look up. Jesus has his arms wide open for you. All you have to do is say is yes.
Just like the "smart" republicans of the last couple generations who grew up learning to hate any opposition. Just saying.
Couldn’t agree more. Especially considering social media was originally about your friends and community but now it’s pretty much shopping on your phone
No one is beyond repair. Stop using your dumbphones and look around you. Learn people skills again.
The problem is that this crisis has been brewing for a long time and nobody really cares. The Fight Club addressed it quite well and it also warned about the end result of it.
Yup, even worse it has been part of almost every previous society. The alarms have been blaring about this for a long time, but those in power are doing nothing about.
Glad to see a Fight Club reference.
Wasn't that more about the soullessness of consumerism more than the selective economic->familial dislocation of men from society?
Fight Club did a great job at portraying the problem, but I'm not sure the solution to the problem is all that clear. It did end, however, with Ed Norton fighting his own demon instead of expecting women to come down to his level and just be who he wanted them to be to make him feel better. I think that's the elephant in the room. Women changed, but men didn't. I don't really understand, though, why Bill thinks that men not going to college is a problem when he always says that college isn't necessary, and people shouldn't worry about not going. That's obviously not true. We need to make college more affordable for everyone.
The fight club? Is this a podcast? Can u link me to the episode where they discuss this
I’m 37 years old. I’m not overweight, I’m not hideously ugly, and I’m a motivated person w lots of passions and interests and even I have found it incredibly difficult to find a mate. I’ve probably sent out tens of thousands of messages to women on the dating apps and it’s rare I even get a response much less a date. And I would meet people more organically except it’s rare I ever meet a girl I find attractive in real life that isn’t already attached. What the hell am I suppose to do? Win the lottery and hope for a gold digger? 😤
Sad isn't?????
Im 9 years ahead of you and wish I had better news to share.
I was in a similar state. Hadnt been with a woman until 25. I went to the gym for 1-2 hours a day for the next 15 years, got a phd as a pharmacist and have been very happily married. Just make yourself into a chad.
Get off dating apps and go out and talk to women. It’s just as simple as it was back in the day. Women want to be chased. Get off your phone and get to chasing.
@@Jerahzzbrodie even if he approaches them in real life. the amount of attention she’s getting on the phone and in person makes it hard for the average guy to stand out
That was pretty stupid by the audience to clap when Bill mentioned that women don't marry men who don't have college degrees, but I like how he followed it up with "Great you'll be lonely forever."
Those people will be up in arms if a white person refuse to date a minority. Refusing to date someone because they don't have a degree is discrimination
It shows the view of modern women against average men
Sad but truthful.
The most honesty you would ever get from women,lmao
It was actually very insightful for all to see. It showed what we all knew before
Women would rather be lonely than "settle"
Women have priced themselves out of the market.
Great conversation full of truths seldomly talked about and even less frequently acted upon by mainstream media/society.
The problem isn’t about sex, it’s that millions of young men don’t get any love of affection or validation from women, they don’t have the companionship to keep them grounded & connected to society, sex is just a good measure of a man getting the rest of this… and it’s possibly 50% or more of young men don’t get a lot of sex actively anyway. 30% of 18 to 25 year olds only having sex once or zero times in a whole year means all the women are forced to share specific men, which also makes all the men who have many of them more cruel, likely to ghost, see them as objects or accessories & not care about having healthy relationships with one.
Read Warren Farrell for a comprehensive discussion of this topic.
That's why there's a whole community online of this dedicated to the discipline and self ownership for men. And it's growing a lot, it's self regulating. Many men are realizing there has to be a solution, and it usually starts with finding a brotherhood where men keep each other accountable for being strong. Which we're missing in modern civilization
What do you think would fix this?
stop blaming the media. they are just trying to make money for their shareholders, and currently they are making money off of people fighting for women. you guys should be blaming yourself for not doing anything, your family and your neighbors
When online dating started, it was all about finding your partner, and then you're done. But this switched when the people running dating apps realized that it was stupid to toss away customers, just because they found a partner. In fact, when the app succeeds, it loses TWO customers! This cannot be allowed to stand! And so (the predictability of this is so tiresome) they started de-emphasizing the idea of finding a partner and deleting the app and they started using all the social media psychological tricks, with the goal of just getting you to use the app and keep paying your subscription every month. After not using one app for a few weeks I got an unbelievable message from them with the subject line "Don't settle." These people are self-consciously encouraging dissatisfaction to improve their bottom line. If you can figure out how, meeting people IRL is much much better, easier and healthier all around.
Don't settle has been told to women for the last 20+ years and to only go for the best. Women are basically being preached to push their hypergamy to the limits.
It's one thing to have reasonable standards which I have zero issues with. It's another to have a laundry list of expectations and want only a 1000. batting average.
We all settle to some degree cause if we don't the alternative is to end up single. Which of course is an option too.
@@polishpimp4233 I will end up single. At this time I have 3 girls I am intimate with and to be honest only thing that limits that number is how much time and energy I have for it. It only started this way when I got 30 years old and I'm 35 now , yet to me it is unimaginable to change my lifestyle and have just one girl in a serious relationship.
Take from that what you will.
@@Makyura43 I think society has pretty much pushed us into polyamory. Why would a upper value guy date just 1 woman? I see the future of average women running harems too.
It's not a bright future honestly.
I refuse to date an average woman which makes me part of the problem.
Yes, online dating started out great. It got rid of the awkwardness of cold approach in a bar, grocery store, etc.. It created a space where everyone who's on there already knew why they were there, and it was an efficient way to find companions with similar interests, backgrounds, etc. But now it's degenerated into a crass meat market that judges people on the most superficial factors.
it's better but unfortunately no, it's not easier. apps have the success they have exactly because it's easier. to find decent people IRL you need to have a good social circle in the first place and dedicate a lot of time to social activities. many people don't have such luxuries.
I'm 47 and had it much easier as a young man. This is an amazing conversation! I have the years behind me that I've watched this happen over time. It's not easy to be a man period, let alone this day and age and I've seen this frustration in my son. Be proactive about your state of mind and put you first. Build confidence in yourself and when that shows thru, everyone will notice who you are.
Same here. At my late 30s I had my shit together (startup company; wealth) and wondered where all those young (!) women had been when I had been young myself.
I am not 50, and my girlfriend will be 21 in three months from now.
I'm 56 and I couldn't agree more. In the early 90s I was in my 20s and made the decision that I wanted to date hotter women. It's pretty basic. Get in the gym, buy some decent clothing and you're on your way. But on a deeper level, I don't think it's just the getting in shape that makes the difference. It's the confidence it gives you. When you hoist 70lb dumbbells over your head that is a hell of a feeling.
The cheering at 0:20 is one of the reasons. There won't be so much cheer if men did something similar. Men are not marrying women who can't cook? Sexist. Women are not marrying men who don't have a degree or cannot provide? You Go Queen.
These women should get reamed out for that response. But that would just be “mean” and they’d never get the message.
Statistically speaking equal pay means women need to stop being hypergamous and date equally or down.
@@carpathia0117 not very many
@@carpathia0117 Incorrect. Most women tend to date and marry men of a higher socioeconomic background. This couldn't be possible if most men didn't date and marry women of a lower socioeconomic background.
@@grildcheez1504 I think women are willing to date down as long as the guy is REALLY hot. I have seen men in relationships with women of higher economic status. Either the guy is younger or he is some bad boy that fulfills her fantasies. A woman that makes 100,000k a year will marry a dude making 50. It's just that she is going to be average looking and he goign to be a quasi chad.
What a conversation.
In our country they say “laying the finger on the wound.” Talking where it hurts.
This is what we need, and Bill get’s it.
I am so happy to see him waking up from being woke.
@@ligafftheindifferent3495 i don't think he ever was "woke". He was liberal back when liberal was still liberal. Today liberal has become something different
What do you think would fix this?
No he doesn't, or maybe he does and just chooses not to express it. He still portrays the problem men have as their own fault. This is simply not the case. The real culprits are women's emancipation (which has made them just like men in society, yet they have not adjusted their behavior and still want the traditional men while not wanting to play the role of traditional women) and government that enacts discriminatory policies (otherwise known as positive discrimination or DEI) so that men are deprived of the best and meaningful jobs in favour of women and minorities.
I'll take a stab - men's issues are treated as personal moral failings and not systemic issues + every male support group (rightly or wrongly) gets cancelled
Society always h8ted m en. They've been shipped to foreign places to be gotten rid of in global conflicts.
Women's issues are treated as personal moral failings while men actually get diagnosed with issues like autism. Women get cancelled from abortion rights while men are given slaps on the wrist for teenage rape. Tell me you're a conservative without telling me.
Please get off the cancel cross.
any Man that takes orders is weak and any one that sold out to the saudis' gwbush, and dropped out of school coz cocaine is all one needs to become the president, really became a slave
economics 101 pay more = happiness pay less = slaves and white slaves are the number one slave of the Roman Empire
@@johnbeechy The US military takes orders all the time.
Trouble is that it’s almost (almost) impossible to meet anybody these days without being “online”’
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Nailed it.
As a 23 year old man I greatly appreciate older men shedding light on these issues
This isn't something I see coming from most mainstream media and I think THAT is also part of what's driving this feeling in men.
I disagree with them on young women doing any better, feminism has become pretty toxic with telling women not to get married, sleep with as many people as you want and studies have shown that does have a more negative impact on women.
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One of the best segments I've seen of any show ever. PLEASE keep talking about this.
Liberals like Bill created this problem and now lectures us about the problem.
@a l Not sure there is a solution. I think like any issue, if you allow yourself to be the victim, you will become one. Not saying there isn't victims, I'm saying don't use it as an excuse to give up. And if you want a mate, act like it. Clean up your act and go find one.
@a l There is only one solution but it won't be popular on twitter or tinder.
@@danlemke6407 Yes, but new circumstances and technologies are liable to rearrange the traditional winners and losers. Government benefits and porn neutralize men's motivation.
@@bertroost1675 what’s that?
These guys were spot on about this. No one in the media talks about mens issues and it’s pathetic.
of course not, because that would undermine their entire narrative.
When your country has a man-gina for a leader like Justin Trudeau, it only gets worse. He cares more about women's issues than feminists do!
Because Male Mental Health is a meme and we're just cannon fodder to the world and never will not be
Ummm tell fox News to talk about it, Trump, podcasts etc. The stuff you all like need to focus on their audience, men. It weird you guys make it a societal issue when its a men issue. You guys don't like talking about things so things don't get talked about.
Maybe you men need to start talking about it then. Be the change you want to see.
I’m one of these men. I’m 42, unmarried, no children. I don’t want that now anyway. I’m disagreeable to society in general. I dislike most everything and I’m fairly bitter. I wouldn’t mind seeing society burn. Wont be no skin off my back
I’m with you
I’m not saying you are right or wrong, but it would help you in the long term to find the good in humanity. It helps with curbing the silent rage. I speak from experience. Good luck fella.
Hope you find a way to turn that around. Could be as simple as finding your sport. Find a way to connect..
I'm with you buddy, you're not alone.
The joker complex driven by societal apathy I suppose.
Just adding my two cents. I have notice that these new generation sees love as weakness. It’s uncool to show real love without being made fun of or dropped real quick by the significant other. The music industry is pretty much the epitome of this whether is females or males. Romanticism is from the past and vulgarity is at all time high. People have become expendable more now than ever before.
Very true unfortunately
Well said.
I'm studying Bible prophecy at the moment, and it blows my mind how it predicted the rise of Narcissism in society during the end times 2,000 years ago.
Narcissists are equally accounted for among men and women, and they view others as objects for use.
The rise of porn parallels this, and our ability to have functional and satisfying relationships with others is the casualty. No wonder that people feel more lonely and increasingly depressed. The recent worldwide lockdowns made it worse.
Those of us who have Narcissist parents are a mile behind the starting line compared with our peers; our relationship skills have to be learned elsewhere, not in the home.
It's only getting worse with this new generation of Narcissist parents turning their commodified children into trans or non-binary trophies for the parent to get attention: Munchausen's By Proxy.
They don't care that their children are physically mutilated, and will be infertile and unable to have s*x as adults.
Thank God this wasn't a thing when I was a child, or my Narcissist mother might have inflicted it on me in her power-tripping, schadenfreude, and abuse.🇭🇲
seems to me only money is the most reliable thing now.
Truth.
Who owns those record labels
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Glad to see people finally waking up to this. Some of us have been talking about this for 15 years.
Sociologist George Gilder wrote a book predicting something along these lines around 1975 which was poorly titled "Sexual Suicide" and later expanded and republished under the much better title "Men and Marriage". Everything he said would happen has happened.
Was surreal seeing people actually talk about it in a mainstream way and not joking about small penises or incels but just being real for once!
...and unfortunately it will get talked about for another 15 years.
@@Ruddline yeah let’s pile on them some more by furthur insulting their masculinity and emasculate them some more, yeah! Society has decided that underperforming men, gay men, queer men, poor men, damaged men, scared men are good scapegoats
the unfortunate part is its to late to put this genie back in its bottle. phones, social media, the actual media have ruined everything and theres never going back. best thing i can say to a guy is best of luck finding someone but there is a chance now you just never will. I'm fortunate enough to be a person who likes being alone, i like my solitude. i don't care for or want a family in the future. but a lot of guys aren't like me and i can only imagine the pain they must be going through in society right now
Damn.
This is one of the few times I’ve seen this being discussed without it immediately devolving into male privilege arguments.
A tiny fraction of men have power, the rest are living lives of quite desolation.
But society and women do not care about this lonely, quiet, boring men who live by themselves. Women do not realize they have the ultimate privilege of being pursued and having inherent value.
Probably because this time there is no woman on the panel, so men can actually have a real discussion about our issues.
As a GenX small town farm kid, I've witnessed the end of the age of masculinity as it was wiped out through generations of feminism & civil rights 'equality', with emasculated media father figures like Archie Bunker, Al Bundy, Tim Taylor & the like. It seems funny today how they programed boys from birth to essentially be second class citizens to women & minorities, ignoring all aspects of primal masculinity of the hunter/gatherer labeled 'toxic masculinity' (which some of it is), then now cry about the isolated & boneless snowflakes they created. That being said, in the dawn of the 'free information age' we didn't really see social media causing such division or personal isolation either. It is certainly a combination of trends going mainstream. I'm certainly no right-wing Trumpian hetero evangelical extremist, but it is a shame what my fellow male peers have become with each successive generation.
@@Aj-qb3pr excellent observation.
I really appreciated this panel's dialogue.
@@Aj-qb3pr nailed it. Some of the cheering by the audience was cringy and abhorent. Kudos to Bill Mahar for promoting this discussion. we need way more of this.
Working at home is great for married men and those in relationships and those who have no issues finding and keeping relationships, but how often do you hear about someone falling in love during a zoom meeting? I *have* known dozens of people who met at work and went on to long-term relationships, so working from home takes that off the table for the most part. It's not a disaster, but it cuts down your odds.
Meeting people romantically at work is already off the table for most people. It's a mine field.
@@robertclark8667 100%. The sexual harrassment laws (hysteria) has men staying well clear of women at work. You'd be committing hari kari to try.
@@robertclark8667 A big part of that is the aggressively hostile policies in place at most companies toward employees developing relationships with co-workers.
@@jackreisewitz6632 Well, yea. That's why I said it. I'm confused by your post.
@@ApesAmongUs I'm confused too. I don't see any posts with your name on them, other than your "response" expressing your confusion. My reply was to "Robert Clark". Are you using multiple names/accounts??
media has given men expectations of what they're supposed to be, and then gone out of it's way to then deny them those things and tell them they're bad for wanting it
The fact that they cheered at women with degree's don't marry men without tells you everything you need to know
I’ve always hated the drone-like reactions from Bill’s audience.
Its horrible
I know successful men who don’t have degrees because they either have a skill or a trade. A degree (unless it’s STEM) now is now worthless.
@@EricSanAltarez Define "successful."
@@louisifer33 Free of personal debt for starters, has a home, happy with their profession/line of work, reputable, having to set goals and then achieve it.
I mean this is what Western civilization cherishes and holds in such high regard. Technological advancement and unbridled individual freedoms. We thump our chests when it comes to how “advanced” and “free” our society is compared to the rest of the world and it turns out that very little of that actually results in long term happiness and stable societies.
Long term happiness is what make sense to you. Your happiness is not everyone’s else
@@Daniel-yt6sc you don’t desire long term happiness?
Long term happiness is the most authentic form and offers a lasting sense of fulfillment. It’s essential for our well being.
@@scottf5791 Happiness is an emotion. It isn't a state of being.
FACTS!!!
@@scottf5791 happiness doesn’t exist. I don’t know who sold you that idea? And again everyone has a different definition of what happiness is
These people laughing in the audience won't be laughing a few years from now. They think this is something casual, something miniscule, they'll get a reality check in due time.
Women are more miserable now than they ever were before
Just what I was thinking
It’s all funny when it’s men..the 2 guys are trying to be serious and he’s talking ab ordering women and dicks this is where the conversation always goes and why the issue continues over and over. Its generic asf
tf you on about
Yeah, imagine how many men there are living in their parents basement right now. These are ppl that have no purpose and almost no skills.
But they have a decent life, watching porn and playing vid games all day long.
Then their parents die in 10-20 years, now suddenly they get thrown into very cold water.
These will be men that have nothing to lose, nothing to look forward to other then pain and suffering.
No one that cares about them, no connetcions. Only ridicule and lots of missed opportunities that everyone will blame them for.
What do you think will happen at that time?
What happens to most people, they start blaming someone else for their situation.
This will be the most violent disaster ever happening since WWII across the West.
@@MyN0N4M3 the rise of zombies.. lol
Nothing more dangerous than a young man with nothing to lose and a chip on his shoulder .
There is something more dangerous: the one man who offers them meaning.
@@rumrunner8019 You could argue that a society that starves them of that meaning is even more dangerous.
@@Wraithguard92 And how does a society do that?
@@rumrunner8019 Or the man who tells them that it's not their fault that they're losers, it's immigrants, or women, or democrats, etc. MAGA exemplifies that.
@@rumrunner8019 That could potentially be a precursor to the rise of a second fuhrer which is not good. Some of the present social conditions and messaging though I think is not by random chance but instead deliberately organized. There are ways of doing this that does not overtly look top down as it may have in the example of the book "1984".
There was an excellent documentary a few years ago called “The Red Pill” that was all about this topic. Interestingly, the creator of the documentary originally set out to debunk the issues, but along the way realized the problems are real. She was thoroughly villified by the feminist movement as some kind of traitor and heretic, as if the problems facing men were a good thing. All I can say is watch the movie and judge for yourself.
LOL what does “feminism” have to do with a man not going to college? I went to college and I have literally none of the problems this video highlighted.
@@kevinc8955 it started when this country started revolving around women.
@@kevinc8955 When did you do college? And congratulations your in the 10%.
Maybe you were in college before all the discrimination against men in educational and workplace applications. But now a huge chunk of industry will not accept Men past a certain point, even if Women don't want it.
@@kevinc8955 I can't tell if you're trolling or not but in this video never once did they say all men. You did good and that's good. But lots of other humans have issues.
@@kevinc8955 both my kids are currently in college a boy and a girl, during scholarship research we learned there are over 200 scholarships alone for women just simply based on the fact that they are women vs about a dozen for boys but the boys require some sort of merit (not academic not sports, but something like grandson of a veteran, etc.) the amounts of money granted are in the hundreds of thousands for the ladies and just hundreds of dollars for the boys, not being bitter, how could I have one of each a daughter and a son, we were all very surprised and it was an eye opening discovery
I think he’s right about the social media aspect.
I remember 25-30 years ago when I was in high school and college that we (as men) actually WENT OUT to socialize either by ourselves or in a group and (depending on what kind of strange you were looking for) meet women.
Even the nerdiest, most awkward among us found a woman that appreciated them.
The issue is, it’s far too easy to hide behind a screen, be someone you’re not while having unrealistic expectations of beauty and wealth (this goes for both men and women).
Add to this-the past 15 years society has stated that male behavior (anything that traditionally defines men and their behavior) has been deemed “toxic.”
So, as a society, you’ve decided men are toxic, and created millions of literal “yes men” and believe it or not, women don’t want that.
Oh, that is so true! My comment (elsewhere here) somewhat reinforces what you have observed. The other issue here in Australia is that TV commercials always show men as being moronic fools... particularly white men. I wonder if it's because men can usually take a joke that they have now been typecast as the default buffoon by those that write and produce TV commercials. Thanks for your comment, John K.
Yup. A woman told me recently I was mansplaining to her when I was answering a question SHE asked and all I wanted to do was roll her noggin. Society has demonized literally male existence and are now asking men to calm down. Nothing in society is helping men but actually destroying men. I watched a documentary about boys in schools and how NOTHING in the public school system is there to benefit boys or tailor to them in anyway. It's really sad how badly society needs masculine men but how we're demonized for it. I've been called toxic because I'd rather my ex not go out for girls night. I'm like, wow, men are toxic for wanting healthy relationships now to? Ugh, thank God for dogs or I'd self delete. So tired of everything my father raised me to be is somehow wrong now.
As someone pretty close in age to you I agree with almost everything you said except the last small paragraph. Perhaps a little nostalgic about socializing and finding women as back then the nerdy guys typically were left alone and girls wanted the jocks. Might be because everyone wanted the IT girl at the bar and weren’t realistic about who they should be pursuing.
Hate to say it but our generation raised this Gen Z group and while I can attest to hiring a few very good working young men and women, there are a lot that think before their first annual review they should be running the place and grow impatient quickly.
The last paragraph about liberal yes men seems off putting while old school conservative call their wives “mother” like Pence and I have certainly heard that elsewhere. Our HR dept talks about how many of the just out of school kids looking for jobs can’t even look you in the eye during a discussion and have no ability to build rapport during the interview process.
Phones and social media have a big impact on depression, unrealistic expectations of life but can also show creative new ways to make a living rather than just punching a time clock
@@draedonapotheosis I'm same age as OP. Monday - basketball at the Y. Tuesday was toonie Tuesday here in canada lol ahh the memories in those drive ins. Wednesday was wing night, Thursday was our off day. Friday-Saturday was either house party/bush party (parties in the woods). Sunday was NFL Sundays and bbqs. Summers was diff with patio nights, festivals, trips etc.
This by the way while working and or school and barely living on 4 hours of sleep lol ahhhhhhhhhhhh youth. No cell phones or reddit or tiktok, or taking pictures to show OFF! You just lived.
Seeing couples and being coupled up was the thing. Now I barely even see young couples around my city and if I do, it is very rare compared to before.
Back in the 90s I would go to various bars to hang out (I was at that time the bar manager and the owner and I often would spend the non-busy nights checking out our competition). I found that either women were not interested in me or they were psychotic. (I had one date where I picked her and she had not showered, she reeked, went to her "favorite" bar where she then saw her friends and left me sit for half an hour alone. I told her I wanted to go home so we left. She invited me in but I declined politely. She emailed me asking for another date to which I declined politely again and got a response of a torrent of profanity).
I joined a dating site, found someone with similar interests to mine. We've been married for 20 years now.
After working in a bar, from my experience it is the worst place to meet someone, or meet someone special. Most people who hang out in bars are generally not someone you would ever want to marry.
I cringed when the women clapped at not marrying down the economic latter.
To be fair it might be men clapping at the mention of an important truth.
Like they went to college but still can't math. 80% of women can't all marry 5% of men.
Who told you it was women who clapped ??
I love men, all shape sizes heights weights and colors. To all the men out there I love and appreciate you, you have a lot of value to society, we could not survive without you. I think men are afraid to talk to women because there's so many rules and regulations and cancellations that can come from that.
There's also a lot of women who think that they're above the average man
Im not afraid, youre just not worth the trouble anymore.
😂 ah comedy !
Talk is nice and all, but only actions matter. Do you swipe right on them, or only the top 10-20% of the guys?
I respect what you have to say if you’re actually speaking from the heart but it’s too little too late. It’s going to be a long road back from where we are headed as far as how men are viewed in this country.
In the US, 80% of all suicides are middle aged white men. This is a systemic problem and our culture has not only created it but also embraced the disparagement of men in general and as the video focuses on young men in particular. And this isn’t to diminish the suicide rates in teen girls as that’s a growing problem as well.
Stay safe everyone.
Woah, I always thought of Bill Maher as what a liberal should be: open-minded and empathetic primarily and this segment has really earned him a listener from across the aisle.
Yup. This man is a Liberal in the actual definition of the word. I like people who are liberal - not people with a self righteous attitude who think they're liberal.
Then you haven’t been watching him at all
Right is center today, and center is left and left is off the map….
Liberal ? Nope bill maher is a libertarian.
@@hebercluff1665 he's a libertarian
That audience clap in the beginning pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with society on this issue.
But not in the way you think. It's the ridiculous idea that a college degree makes you better. The majority of college grads go there to party and get credentialed, learn nothing, and are barely employable. By contrast, a good solid education in the trades can give you essential skills and thrice the income of the average college grad. Also, there are plenty of non-college grads who are READERS and curious to learn. In fact, these are often more intellectually interesting and solid people than the ones who partied through their creative arts or sociology majors. This is INDEPENDENT of what gender you are.
The problem is everybody just blames men. Throughout the course of that entire debate I’m willing to bet you the majority of that audience cares little. And will continue to just say it’s young men’s fault without looking at society
@@mattbanco4406 agreed. Nobody cares about men. And I'm not trying to feel sorry for myself, but society tells men to suck it up. That we have no excuses, etc. Women subconsciously don't really care about this issue. They need to rely on us to be strong, so weak men are looked down upon.
Yes, women who aren't really able to think.
This is the first time I’ve heard somebody talk about ‘mating inequality’. I thought it was just me who thought about it in those terms. Like, one privilege that you almost never hear about is height. For men. Huge discrimination happening there, over something they can do nothing about.
Absolutely. No one likes Men shorter than 1.80m
Oh yea, nothing new, I would say height is the main driver of female attraction at first sight I know it because I am 5'7" or 1.70m and that's not a good thing in the USA. I am married and have kids now but during my dating days I was just about invisible even to women shorter than me, maenwhile my tall guy friends did not even have to develop a personality to attract women. These days the only reason I get looks is because I have thick arms and back from working out.
What's funny is how women think they will beat the odds when the stats are straight up against them. It's only like 18% of men are over 6ft tall and then when you factor in married men, gay men/asexuals and very unnattractive men, then you're probably talking to close to 8% of eligible men based on height alone. Now add in education, income, religion, etc and you're talking about a very small single digit percentage that roughly 80% of women are vying for. It's really only a good thing for tall decent looking men but virtually all women and the rest of men lose out because of ridiculous expectations.
@@theperfectbeing I wouldn't say the women are completely missing out, they just pass around that small percentage of tall guys like a blunt
Who set this up? The patriarchy! Why should we care. Yall act like women set the rules . It's now back firing on men .
I have long noted that when young men, or even adolescents, have trouble connecting with women, there's a tendency to dismiss or ridicule them.
"If women avoid you that should tell you something" is a typical retort, as if he should instinctively know how to solve it.
I am on my 50s and have been married for 15 years, but when 20 I remember greatly resenting that I was supposed to instinctively know whether someone was interested in me or if she was just being polite, I had to ask if she'd like to get together, I had to think of something to do, I had to pay for it, and I was dismissed as a creepy jerk if I miscalculated any of this.
We need to allow men to work on these things rather than expect them to miraculously know.
Hear, hear!
Women do not appreciate that men take all that initial risk. Would a father, older brother, etc…..help navigate this?
@@anneb889 That's funny! My husband had three older sisters and they trained him well, lol! 😉
There is a lot of wisdom in this. While some come from upbringings that set them up for success in this way for most it is a learning process than involves a need to make mistakes and learn from them.
It's riskier today as well. One false misjudgment in social ques could permanently label you as a degenerate, creep, or incel. I see it all the time on campus.
Finally someone speaks it out in the mainstream media.
The frustrating part. I've done all the things these guys say. I've got the education, the vocational training and even with those I can't get a stable job to even be considered dateable. There is one thing that is overlooked that these guys miss.
The job market is broken. The over reliance of technology through applicant tracking systems and defining people through their employment history prevents people from getting the opportunity to transition to different jobs and careers. If you graduated during the great recession like myself you know this directly where you had to go back to the same jobs you have in high school because those were the only jobs available and that started a domino effect. Employers no longer cared about your education because you had a job that said that your value as a person in the world of work is that of a waiter or retail employee.
The economy and job market produces more low income jobs than ever before thanks to both businesses and the government. The higher ups aren't retiring and not passing the torch of leadership and jobs to the younger generation. So the millennial never had a chance to even get a career in the industry where they got their major as over 65% of graduates aren't even working in the career where they got their major putting all that knowledge and skills to waste and over 40% of those who graduated regret their major because they aren't able to get a career related to their major. This has created a bottleneck where even Gen X are still stuck in low management and even entry level jobs.
Course I can't blame the working elderly Gen X and Baby Boomers because they couldn't afford to retire anyway because there are no pensions and the cost of living has inflated so much that wages have been stagnant for over 70 years.
So as a result to make a living and honestly doing better than getting an education and trying to get a job, the women are on OnlyFans, Fansly and Twitch creating parasocial relationships with children and young men and making six figures or more. The men are on Twitch and TH-cam because if you can't get a job that pays a living wage based on your education your only option to get a career is to create a portfolio online showcasing your talents and hobbies. We're all doing the intentionally dumbest and most destructive acts on TikTok and Twitter just to get noticed as that has more luck jumpstarting a career than trying to get a career in the job market.
Employers don't care about people's education anymore when it comes to considering a candidate, they want people who have direct work experience and lacking that the star power of a youtuber because to get that entry level job it's not only requires breadth of knowledge and skill, it takes depth. As for the women who are doing better in education and in income, they are going to consider having relationships with people who are doing better than them economically, regardless of education.
These guys say to work your ass off but you can't really work your ass off when you can't get a job. Can't even think about asking a woman out on a date when you're not paid a living wage to afford your own place instead of living in your parent's house.
EDIT: If Scott Galloway reads this. I have a bachelor's degree and the following certifications going back to community college, adult school, and certification work programs. None of these have helped me transition to any of these career fields because my recent work experience is in administration. Even working with over five different temp agencies have not been able to get me a temp job.
- Microsoft Certified Professional (Windows Server)
- Medical Billing and Insurance Coding
- Video Editing
- Data Analytics (SQL, R, Tableau [Learn to code])
- Project Management
I'm now going back to adult school again to get a certificate in accounting. I honestly don't know what to do if after completing this certificate program what I am going to do. I have wasted decades of my life doing what everyone says I should do to get a career but the job market doesn't want me.
Should have been a carpenter or a plumber, electrician, HVAC, machinist. You would have a job.
What kind of education? Bachelor's?
Well said, but damn, man, that’s tough. I wish I had some useful advice, but good luck.
Before going back to school for another certificate, go on some interviews of potential employers in that field and ask them about the opportunities available, what they are looking for and their advice to you. Find people working in the field and ask if you can get together and talk. People are open to that. Talk with people who make hiring decisions and find out what they want. Come with a list of questions so you are prepared. These would not be job interviews, but interviews seeking their knowledge of the field. Do that first, and then proceed only if it still looks worthwhile.
Ten Mar once Biden’s bill gets going there should be tons of job openings with the green energy maybe some of them will be for you?
You can surely get a job teaching in some states because we’re desperately short of teachers ..
110% agree with Scott Galloway on this, and pretty much everything else he says
There is not one thing you can point to and say this is why young men are in crisis. Having declared that, the one point that always bothered me was when boys sports stopped keeping score in little league sports. Boys want to win, they want to play hard, and know that their efforts helped beat their opponent. Moreover, schools stopped or reduced outside recess, and daily boys gym. Young boys need to work off their excess energy. It should not be suppressed with Rx drugs.
I knew about aprticipation trophies, that's been a thing for ages. But not keeping score?!? FFS.
Then again, some parents have a bad reputation with kids sports, I wonder how much of it is to get them to settle down.... Pretty ridiculous though, if you ask me. Scoring counts for nothing.
EXCELLENT discussion! I would ‘thumbs up’ this 100 times if I could
He said women with degrees don't marry men without degrees and they started clapping.
Imagine if that sentence was reversed. This audience will be dragged and cancelled before they leave the studio
And there in lies the problem.
Men's issue are treated on the scale of "we don't care" to "oh that's funny".
NO ONE CARES.
And that's ok.
But don't tell us how to deal with the bad hand we've been dealt with.
All people, men and women get treated like crap for differing reasons.
Lol I’m a man. And honestly you guys are pathetic. The only problems men have is that most of you guys got shitty parents. Toxic masculinity is the reason most guys are so pathetic
When men apply the same sort of standard to women as women do to men, the men are considered horrible people. Let that set in for a moment. Then realize you'll be better off with a dog for love a loyal companionship and hookers for sex. lol
I disagree with them on a few things, Women are also going deeper into debt with college and getting useless degrees in some cases. The guy with no debt and working in the trades won't become a rich man but he's making a living unlike the 30 year old woman with her degree and working at Starbucks.
As a guy, I have never once cared if a women has a degree or what she does for a living. Its super weird to me that people care about that.
Yeahhh, all I’m going to say is that I 100% agree. A emotionally lonely man is the most dangerous kind of man. The amount of work put into not ruining your life is very exhausting…
Chris Rock said it best:
Only women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally. Men are loved on the condition they provide something.
oh bullshit!
Women wouldn’t suffer from higher incidences of sexual and domestic abuse if that were true. Jee, I don’t condone violence, but I sure feel like smacking Chris Rock sometimes....
You think women are "loved unconditionally"??? Oi.... 🤦♀️🤦
@@amygirl9534 Lol
@@stinko9416 Yes. There's no such thing as men's shelters for instance.
One of the best panels I’ve seen on the show🔥
Really made me reevaluate how I feel about things that I already know- but didn’t *really know*
As men in the West, we’re like a dog that’s locked up in a house all day with nothing to do. When you suppress a dog’s purpose, it’s gonna chew the couch.
We all need a purpose and men are built for specific purposes that are not valued in today’s society.
Don't compare m en to dogs. Dogs are a w oman's best friend with benefits. Modern m en ain't getting it.
Find your purpose buddy. You need help with that?
@@richierich30001 W omen don't need to find their purpose. They'll either be flown out to Dubai and paid thousands for some bathroom bedtime playtime or have thousands wired into her bank account to get a communications/ underwater basket weaving degree and get a made up 6 figure basket weaving job made up by the government. Or increasingly both. Western society is coming to an end. Time for m en to take action.
FACTS MAN
So many of the hard-working good paying jobs that men used to do are gone, and if you don't like sitting in a basement cubicle for the rest of your days then you're going to end up broke.
Scott Galloway is a beast. I could listen to him every episode.
In the black community its 100x worse, bc as a Black man we get hit with “you’re not black enough” like what does that even mean. Or “you don’t have swag”. Or we have to pick from women with kids from 2 men like why would I want that, and if I don’t want that I get called soft or I’m not a real man, smh. Kevin Samuels talked about this for 2 years…
May the Godfather rest in peace.
jay H. Please don’t have kids until you are married better yet don’t have any children we don’t have enough oxygen in the air as it is..
Get a trade study learned keep learning stay away from women when you meet one who is been doing the same thing as you if you do all those things then one day meet a woman whose been doing all that and you will be equal..
Also young black women tend to find every excuse to stay out of relationships in their 20s. It's not until they have a kid out of wedlock that they find a reason to settle down
We’re all being taught to value the most toxic and destructive shit.
As a white man, who taught in the inner cities for many years, this is spot on. Young men, were almost always "force funneled," into the thug/swag life, and if not they were made fun of. I always encouraged all my male students to leave the toxicity of the United States, and move to other areas of the world, where women treated men with more respect and it didnt matter what you looked like
this segment hit me hard. I listened to it 3 times while on my morning walk. it really resonates with me. I finally calmed down in my life when I gave up looking over 20 years ago.
looking for what?
A female partner.
@@Tooldruid Simple answer: FATHERLESSNESS , irrespective of race, FATHERLESSNESS is the greatest predictor of violence, crime and future FATHERLESSNESS
Gave up? Half of humans are women?
@@dutube99 a woman to love. it's irrelevant now, as I have gotten too old.
I’m very glad this conversation is going mainstream
They will NEVER speak the truth when it comes to the solution.
I doubt the conversation is going to get very far in the mainstream. Every time someone tries to bring up the issue of most men not having a chance in modern dating, someone will yell "So you are saying women OWE men sex!?!" and it stops the conversation dead in its tracks.
@@Jeremy-ql1or 😆😆
@@Jeremy-ql1or Then another school shooting happens and we all wander around staring into space. 😆 🤣 😂
When you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose. Social media is a dangerous failure.
Very good Bill for broadcasting an extremely base problem the world has, not just the US.
Women, just like men, from this fake 'country', have been bred to look for reasons to be 'entitled' to be 'upset' if someone is 'different' -the rest of this video's discussion is conjecture.
Only in the Western world.
As we click away on our mobile devices.
It's too bad no one else seems to take it seriously enough.
@@Tyrone950 .....no, just look at the Muslim countries.....absolutely sums up what this guy is talking about.......
Great discussion - would like to hear more on this subject! It is not discussed enough as to the long-term impact of social media and online dating.
The idea of a woman valuing a man and a potential mate through their ability to provide has become such a taboo thing. But this is something that has been around forever… you could even make a moral argument for it. If you’re a woman who is inclined to bring new life into this world, it is more responsible for you to get with a man that has a higher probability to provide for the children, no?
But that assumes women are looking for a relationship. They aren't. In a relationship both partners contribute to the continuation and health of the relationship. Modern women, and society in general, consider men to be an expendable resource. They are all take and no give. We don't even value Fathers or Fatherhood any more. He's a Baby Daddy now, might see his kid once a week, if he's lucky, and barely getting by on what's left of his paycheck after family courts get done tearing him a new one. Three of the four young men I work with have NO INTEREST in "Modern" Women. They want a wife like their Dad had.
And what about career women?
Makes a lot of sense. Women have evolved to be sexually selective cuz their risks are higher. They get a baby and for thousands and thousands of years they’ve they need to choose a man that can provide and protect
@@willhiggins9563 95% of career w omen date/ marry m en who make much more than them. 5% date/ marry m en who make a little bit more than them. Most are single and are chasing this fantasy prince charming who is 30 years younger than those cat ladies.
@@warrenbuffet5152 Maybe they should seek out some house husbands?
They hit the nail on the head with this discussion. I've been talking about this for a while and there's a bit of a pattern showing in our society.
I haven't had a hug in 10 years.
And now I'm on a watch list.
Maybe it's time to break the power grid
@@garycarder4363 what you mean?
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I like how Bill talks about a dating app like it’s a pizza delivery service. Unpopular newsflash: hookup culture is also a problem.
People have been having casual sex, that’s not new. There’s a different between on-demand sex
@@scerb100 it never reached the heights it has now, and that’s the problem I’m talking about
I’m one of those guys who had hook up sex. Honestly being on these dating apps does nothing but harm.
Hookup culture is not a problem.
@@nepatrul6075 not true. They where times in the past people had more sex
This is the most essential show you've had in a long time the others were great but this one is right on the money where America should be looking and thinking and talking about and how we should be talking.
Oh please. Men need to start looking in the mirror and stop blaming everyone but themselves. You guys could control the power of sex but you have no self control. You want a partner? Fix yourselves up. Learn how to cook and clean for yourselves. No woman wants to be some dumb adult male's mom. Unless she's getting paid for it.
Y'all always complain about women, yet never look inward to realize you're the problem.
Man in 60-ies without wife and children is telling you how to be a man. Great job.
@@ljubicasmolcic7550 You don't have to get married or have children, but it is essential to have relationships. REAL relationships.
@@playfulpanthress You're no thinker. This goes much deeper than you or your feminist social science grads are able to think through. Bunch of overweight white women who think they were the first ones to come up with all the answers to life.
@@playfulpanthress No modern man really expects women to cook or clean for them. Stop stereotyping dummy.
The shooting that happened in Buffalo was not committed by someone who lived in that City. He Lived over a hundred miles away and with parents who were too busy with their cushy state jobs to bother really knowing what was going on in their own home.
Who provides the conditions under which someone living at home can acquire multiple deadly weapons? Where did this basement troglodyte get money to buy the weapons in the first place? This is the definition of terrible parenting.
Yeah I'm sure it was "cushy state jobs" that had anything do with it.
@@popeyedoyle6360 - in depressed places like upstate New York, having a government job puts you near the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy. Look at the parking lot of the local rural / small town public school and compare the teachers' cars to those you see in the parking lot of the local grocery store.
Good benefits, ironclad job security, and a pension is not available to most private sector workers.
We _already_ have a society that doesn't value men. In fact, we nearly have a society that despises men, and any men who even look like they have something to say about it are aggressively silenced and shoved out of society altogether.
I grew up in the poorest, most dysfunctional, unsupportive environment there is. My parents were never together for a single day that I have been alive, and I haven't talked to either one of them in years. My childhood was primarily a lesson on what not to do, but it also made me desperately want to establish a family-despite having no idea how something like that worked.
I made my way into college where I got a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering (BSME) degree and graduated with honors. I also tutored mathematics up to and including multivariable calculus along with qualifying for Mensa.
Despite my education and abilities, I was never able to get an engineering job. My window of opportunity to have a family is now gone, and I spend 99% of my time alone hoping for a day to come along that makes me believe there's a reason to continue existing. The problem is that I'm reaching the point that no version of the future seems any less miserable than the rest.
There simply is no path to goodness for men in society today. We are condemned and hated by many but praised by none, regardless of who or what we truly are or wish to be.
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@Gabe O You need to get out more, Gabe. It sounds like you're depressed. Go out for a walk, join a group that deals with something that interests you, talk to a woman. It's never too late to start a family! And go for some therapy. It could give you a new outlook on life.
Hey Gabe...
Have you ever tried therapy, buddy?
I feel and sympathize with you but lemme tell you something.
Some of the "misfortunes" you stated about your life, specially those from this point on, are perhaps irreversible only in your mind. They're not cold facts.
Give a therapist a go if you haven't tried any.
Do not despair! I met my husband in his 40s (I was in my 30s) and he had already resigned himself to the idea that his fatherhood ship had sailed. But I saw in him everything I had been praying for, and I married him and gave him two beautiful healthy babies. He is now entering his 50s as a dad (for which he is overjoyed) with a wife who is deeply in love with him and believes in him, and roots for him in life.
Men have a little more time to find a mate than women do. You can still produce healthy children at a later age than women can. And all the years you have spent improving yourself are investments in yourself, that mean you have more to offer.
It's not too late, and there are decent women out there who want someone just like you, who may be lonely themselves.
I wish you the best of luck on your path!
Thats a victimized perspective. We just watched 3 men talk about this, our lives, our culture are filled with male role models in sports, art, poliitics, etc. Not saying that here isnt a problem which was spelled out really well by Scott, but we're definetly not spit upon by society
Pretty much sums it up. Im 35. Have a job, a place to live and do decently in terms of earning. Have a masters degree. I've been in a relationship for maybe 1 year of my life total. Why? Because I dont spend my life on my phone trying to find the perfect person. So instead im in a perpetual state of being alone wondering if I will every find someone. Sadly each year only makes me feel more and more like it's impossible and I never will. A degree doesn't even mater in this equation.
if youre not in the top ten percent of men looks wise youre never going to be selected.its just female nature.youll see hundreds of women bemoaning that they cant find a good man.according to them were not good.my advice is make the best life you can alone.its all youre going to get
Do you go out and meet people? That helps.
Develop some charisma and go talk to girls. There are plenty of sources on the internet to help develop your interpersonal skills. Girls aren’t gonna wanna date you just because you have a degree and a job. They have the same thing and can support themselves financially.
Join some Meetup groups....hiking, biking, any kind of interest you might think of. Skews to your age.
I disagree with them on this being just a male problem, Internet/social media culture has been terrible for dating and toxic feminism hasn't helped.
Scott Galloway is brilliant! I'm going to share his warning widely! Thanks for focusing your show on this, Bill!
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Agreed, now if only he could enunciate his words we wouldn’t miss half of his serious points.
@@JeddieT no problem here with him besides he is a college professor talks all day lot so experience..
@@uptick888 talk is cheap
22 yo young man here, full time work, full time school, recently broke up with a gf of 2+ years. I blame nobody but myself for my situation but I can tell you I have never felt as lonely as I do now.
I'm really surprised anyone is seriously asking why we have a problem here. Take two children in a family. In front of both of them put all of your positive focus and attention on one. Constantly give praise and encouragement at every natural ability. Tell them they can be and do anything. For the second child constantly demonize and demoralize them. Attack every natural ability they have while constantly telling them they have no inherent value and are toxic. Do we really have to guess what the outcome will be?
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Let me guess, the antagonized child who has to fight all the time and has to constantly proof itself succeeds out of spite, while the coddled child who is handled with kid gloves and told they can do what they want fails because they are too complacent and expect everything to be handed to them on a plate. /s
What in the world are you talking about?
@@uzul42 sometimes
Ten thousand thumbs-ups.
If you don’t understand this, then you’re either a woman and are “conveniently confused”, or you’re brainwashed beyond all hope.
We have destroyed every aspect of things traditionally held for men, and we are shocked when young men feel like society has no place for them. Frankly, their feelings are essentially correct, no wonder they throw up their hands take their ball, and go home.
I worked with a Native elder and he told me men are lost. Our modern way of life has left them with no purpose and no goals. Since he told me that, I see more and more unhappy men and women living the modern life and those who leave that life behind for something untraditional are much more happy.
This is true of everyone. Modern life isn't better.
Wow Scott Galloway was a social savant here. The guy came PREPARED with facts and figures and systematically laid down hard truth after hard truth. What an exceptional guest. Makes so many others look like the dopes they are
He’s just old fashioned. Stuck in the past. Dating sites are great! Working from home is also great! Blame the parents for not guiding their children the right way
This is kind of his shtick. So not surprised at the data dump. He's a good guest for sure.
@@Daniel-yt6sc Well most of the troubled young men only have one parent to blame, and here is the problem lol. This is an effect of everything Scott talks about.
@@Daniel-yt6sc Also dating sites are so good huh? That's why relationships here are flourishing right? Working from home sounds cool, until you realize everyone around you has useless college degrees. It takes months just to get an electrician in my house. I value that person over anything you are doing from your house.
@@Daniel-yt6sc if this worked for you , this won't work for other men ,blame yourself for such a stupid thinking.
Watching the world burn is fun when you don't have anything to lose. I hope civilization collapses back to the stone age and I get to see it before I die.
So true. I have been negative lately and hate to be pessimistic. I work on myself all the time. I do hope and pray for lighter days. That said, not having a family is a good place to be in right now. The world is declining rapidly and I will just have some popcorn and watch the show.
Won’t happen . “ incels “ aka alot of young men will be subject to conscription
A bunch of lonely men. With a lot of energy to cause trouble. No good.
Greater importance of education (time and money spent) contribute this as well.
Lot of people place education and job opportunities over relationships. People have formed real meaningful relationships later in life because of this.
Devaluing high skilled jobs (plumbers, electricians, welders, etc.) that pay great but society doesn't attach prestige too is a shame. These people make a good living but according to statistics degree holders won't date them
I think knowledge and income are both factors. Women are attracted to men taller, stronger, richer, more educated, more intelligent etc. They unconsciously don't like feeling superior. They want to feel safe and provided for.
Fuck a career
@@McCarthy1776 it's not only the women though. A lot of men also feel uncomfortable if the woman earns more money than them. Women's emancipation has only been around for 100 years, but we all still have 2000+ years of social (and biological) "conditioning" within us. And money isn't even the only issue. You want someone with common values, experiences, educational background. It's not that women don't have respect for blue collar jobs. It's just that women with a degree might think they don't have a lot in common with someone who hasn't got the same educational background. That's why meeting someone face to face is so important. You can't deny real chemistry.
15 seconds in, the sentiment of the applause break
Yea, that’s pretty telling right there. Women are drunk on power right now (imo). I say this as a woman.
And then slowly realizing they were clapping towards the collapse of America.
Bill’s studio audience is routinely some of the stupidest people ever.
America could be going up in smoke and Bill would say, "Folks, America is going up in smoke!!" And the audience would laugh and cheer and clap. It's just something about Bill that's always funny, no matter what, and the kind of people he attracts that don't take anything too seriously
That applause was fucked up. Why be happy that people aren't dating because they don't have a degree? What the fuck is this shit?
I've been on a Scott Galloway kick lately and I gotta say, he's got his finger on the pulse
I feel this way alot. Something they didn't mention in this was the absence of male fathers, or father figures in men's lives. That is huge! If you look at most the people who went and shot up schools or grocery stores, or whatever it is, most didn't have a father in their life. There is a manhood and a fatherless crisis in our country. And it's been here a while. When you have signs that read, "Take time to be a father today", that to me is really, really scary. Kids neeed moms and dads. Good role models. I don't know the numbers, but stats prove that even if a child grows up without a father, but has some type of male role model, (neighbor, friends dad, pastor, priest, etc) they are some much more likely NOT to commit crimes, have children before marriage, drop out of school. We need this fixed!
@@brian5001 No, that's why it's called accountability
Unfortunately, many men who have children don't participate in the raising of said children. In fact, I wish I had a nickel for anytime I heard one of them referring to watching their Own children as "babysitting". Yeah-not babysitting-jacka*s. It's called, Parenting. And you don't get a cookie or special applause for simply feeding, clothing and housing yours. That is actually the bare minimum of what you are required to do, by law. Women have been putting in the hours, days, weeks, years of raising and taking care of their children as primary or sole care givers for entirely too long-no cookie or applause, btw. Just expected.🤨 But when a man changes the diaper of his Own 🧒-they're told what "great parents" they are and there is a parade for "all the effort given" or the woman is told "how lucky" she is that he helps her-with his Own child-as if she put it there by herself🤬. Nevermind the fact, that Mom was up all night with the little bundle of joy, eventhough she also works full time and then in most cases also has to take care of most of the household chores too. Now, we also have to be even more worried about being raped in certain states because we no longer even have bodily autonomy in certain states and may be forced to carry the rape baby and then possibly be forced to co-parent with our rapist. Fun Times
Absolutely. Both my parents were great, and dad led by example by working incredibly hard every damn day and always putting family first.
This connects with Bills point about 90% of women focusing all their attention towards 4-5 men or a small percentage. This means that most women go after the tallest, richest iron-pumping guys(because they can) and end up getting knocked up. Women don't look for men who are interested in long term relations or anything other than sex. When I was in the army, I saw this first hand. The 4-5 tallest guys in our platoon had women lined up(scheduled) with 10 minute pauses in between...they kept coming and going all day long. Each woman thought that they were the only one. Most of the platoon had either no one...and a few had someone to visit them.
Ive noticed that women will eventually start giving up on looking only at the tallest/biggest/strongest/richest guys and gradually lower their expectations the worse they are treated by the few, for whom they were just " a Mondays girl"
So true. For as long as I can remember, the prevailing narrative has been that a woman doesn't need a man for anything. Now in the future, we have a crisis amongst young men, but really it's a crisis for all of us.
This is such an important discussion. Thank you for bringing it out in the open. ❤❤❤
Interesting points raised by Scott, and I'm sure there is a point in what he's saying. Social media it seems to me, is an oxymoron...
@Antoine dauphinais If everyone got off social media it would help... it has created standards for everyone to try and live by that just aren't achievable for the mass majority... so you have millions of people feeling mediocre and useless when in reality they're doing just fine.
@Antoine dauphinais Yeah and you do that and meeting a girl is even harder. Especially when they ask to see your "socials" and you don't have any and then they assume you are the next Bundy. Sick cycle we are in.
Feminism never taught women hypergamy needs to go away just like patriarchy.
This is one of the most underrated comments on this video and I legit never thought about this. But you are right. Both can't exist which is why there's a total imbalance right now😕. You can't have a hypergamous society and a feminist society at the same time. They are contradictory ideas.
@@SaturnFrost That's because Feminism isn't Egalitarianism. Know the difference.
Patriarchy ??? ....Men do worse in school, fewer in college, higher rates of drug and etoh, die sooner, more likely to be in jail & work dangerous dirty jobs. Zuckerberg & Musk, Buffet do not represent the average man. This Ultra Ultra rich is a hyper small % of the population that society then claims represents the gap between men & women as the so called Patriarchy. Silly as the data for the masses indicates the exact opposite, Women are doing far better
The only message the cultural establishment offers young men is at best open honest disdain and at worst condescending concern trolling over "toxic masculinity" with no examples of what non-toxic masculinity is.
It doesn't exist and never did. This society is run by a bunch of silent gen and boomer w omen who have PTSD from watching too many embellished silent gen era movies.
What about role models, such as decent fathers, uncles, teachers, coaches, etc?
@@KohalaLover The divorce rate in the west is 70%+ and the marriage rate is extremely low. The single mother alimony welfare mom rate is way too high and no fault divorce, common law marriage and child support removed any reason to accept marriage or cohabitation.
@@warrenbuffet5152 the fact that you know these stats prove to me you don’t interact with women. Drop all this bs, and learn to talk to women. Game over
Healthy masculinity is basically and masculinity is that’s toxic, as the defining trait of toxic masculinity is it’s highly restrictive nature. When men are allowed to whatever makes happy it’s healthy masculinity. Be them bread winners, or house husbands, stoics, or wear their heart on their sleeve. Toxic masculinity is only letting men be one way, and all other ways are wrong
Gentlemen out there this is my two cents for what its worth: If you can't find a gal that excepts you for who you are. Stay nice to women but, go it alone. Stay kind to yourselves and others. Its not your fault. Do the best you can and maybe some lady will see that, maybe they never will. But find joy in living your life, no matter how small. I have had CP all my life. I can walk but, it looks like I'm and extra from central casting for the walking dead; its a turn off for people, especially women. I was broken from the gate and I've have a lot of friends that happen to be women and they like me but, not that way. That's okay. If a friend is all I can be-that's all I can be. I'm not gonna hate the world-I didn't make it this way. All I can do is bow to the absurd accept it and go on. I know my genes are okay for kids but people and only attracted to what they can see they make assumptions for everything else. That's okay. "In the dark we are all the same. It's only our knowledge and wisdom that separate us. Don't let your eyes deceive you." -Janet Jackson-Rhythm nation '89. I've lived by that saying since I was 8 years old and never forgotten it. When people fail you, remember that like a meditation-it heals. It really does.
I honestly hate this type of advice. Yeah don't go out of your way to be a prick and bash their head in, but don't be nice by default. My MO is be aloof and unconcerned. When someone shows a modicum of appreciation/care, I'll do the same.
Extending a hand initially only to have it chewed up and spit out is a fool's game that I'm sick of playing.
Basically love yourself.
Knew a guy like you, I'd basically have 3 simultaneous girlfriends and he'd not even get a look, he was very close to me and was the nicest individual I met, in a deep way, an intelligent and kind person, what's worst he wanted nothing to do with the hookup culture, he wanted to marry and have someone to live with. Girls lost on him big time, but you're right, the world is what it is, there's no solving the existential equation, we'd just need to accept and deal with life unfolding.
Still, this story made me realize women are like men in that sense, they don't deeply care for you, or at least not on the attraction basis, they'd need some attributes to be validated beforehand, which is fine, it's just changed my perspective.
It makes you wonder if the modern society isn't promising men a cornelian choice: either somber into solitude and depression or wave the flag of rebellion, I don't know which is worst to be frank...
@@RomanianBoyz But there was nothing in there about not be nice by default, unless I'm misreading it to me to me it read like even though you are in a position like him and myself are. Where we each have our own problem that makes dating difficult beyond the problems regular healthy men are having, be prepared to go your life alone. If someone comes along great, but don't wait to be happy until that persons comes along.
When I see regular guys, that are by no means bad looking just not movie star material and have a regular job talk about how they have tried everything from online dating to doing the kinds of things in actual life that normal people would do to get dates. It's hard not to think "well I'm screwed just get ready to die alone," not in a bitter way. Before my life changed I was able to walk both lines of having female friends. And once I got very fit my confidence gained enough to where I was able to get myself to go up to a complete stranger talk, and turn the conversation into a date either right then and there or max a few days later. Now most of the women I interact with are nurses and the only reason I interact with them is I need them to survive. I have actually manged to get a few dates over the years after things changed, but eventually it gets to the point where the women just can't see it working long term. Not only am I not bitter about it, I fully understand their position, women want a man who can be a partner, not a patient. I'm just grateful I've been able to get a few make out sessions from those dates, since it's nice feeling the touch of a woman. Although it has been 4 years since the last time, and I think my dating pool and chances of not dying a virgin as dried up. Women in their 30s are not as willing to give time to something they know right from the get go is not going to work out.
That aside. I'm kinda stunned this topic was brought up on this how, and even more so where it came from and how this comment section has turned out. I was expecting a lot of comments talking about how it was all BS and that men just hate women.
@@Ankhelinos But guys should dismiss at least 95% of what women are fussing about what they want in a guy until their behavior proves otherwise.
Agree with everything besides the remote work. If I could afford to live close to my office, get to work quickly and not have to deal with traffic, I'd be more keen to going into an office. But unfortunately, the cost of gas+ waiting in traffic+ time to get ready takes about 4 hours out of your day. It's also high energy inefficient to have to drive to and from work, for a job you could do just as easily at home.
It's still a disaster particularly to young men who have never worked in an organisation before and are stuck indoors. Fast food, fast dating, staying indoors 24/7 with little to no socialization/sun/exercise/connection with fellow people is detrimental in the long term no matter how convenient it is.
They NEED to have that in person experience. I'm assuming you have already worked in an office before so you have that context. It's a grey area but not everyone can work remote, nor should they. It's not just about getting "real world experience", it's the amalgamation of all the "technological advancements " we have right now. Might as well call it a utopia than a modern world but these are unprecedented times we live in and we need that tribal feeling now more than ever in light of record levels of solitary confinement and DIY-ness of our times rather than doing things together.
Hope it made sense
What he means is that if you are not interactive with people in an office walking the street, getting lunch, your social skills decay
I agree, but because it's awesome not affordability. Now sometimes people do look at me and shake their head because I'm on the cell phone doing work, but I love being at the dog park with my two dogs, throwing a ball while getting the job done or I could be up in the Sears Tower (don't correct it) in a monkey suit. There are lots of young girls out all the time and most offices don't encourage dating. So I'm older and really shouldn't talk for 25 year olds. But I've got mixed emotions about it at best; kind of like my ex-wife driving off a cliff in my new ferrari.
@@vancedadder You're mostly correct.
However I know a lot of people who work remote and live in remote work environments in other countries. I for instance started working remote in 2015. I'd travel to remote work hubs in different cities like Barcelona, Prague, Medellin, Buenos Aires and I got to meet people from all around the world. Got to go anywhere I wanted. It was far better than working in one office with the same people from the same company. They have remote coffee shops and work hubs where you could easily connect with others.
Furthermore, nowadays you cant work in an office and say whatever you want. You have to really watch yourself. I used to have flings with girls at the same office. I'd never do that now. You're asking to get fired over someone taking the slightest thing the wrong way.
@@aztronomy7457 okay now, you can't just mention the flings in passing and not help a young guy out. How do you have flings(plural) in-office?
Great book on the subject “Men on Strike” by Helen Smith PhD
Also “The Boy Crisis” by Warren Farrell
Recently I read Of Boys And Men, also a great book on this subject.
This issue needs to be addressed more aggressively. This is an actual emergency for our society. Men are constantly diminished in so many different ways. For example, I just saw an ad for Xfinity. In it, a couple is told about the advantages of a particular plan. The woman customer states "she can do better" with the woman salesperson acknowledging her. The male says the same thing and the salesperson politely smiles and looks down at her lap. The inference being that the woman can not only trade up her phone plan but she could get another mate. Yet the male is made to look as if he's lucky to be breathing the same air as his girlfriend. Despite no obvious differences in age, attractiveness or intelligence, we are conditioned to believe that the female can always do better and the males had better be happy with they've got. One should also consider the insidious way situation comedies and other television commercials constantly hammer the nonsense of the dumpy, stupid man who always gets into some trouble and the intelligent, pretty and perfect wife or girlfriend, giving him that look of "not again you stupid boob" and having to come to his rescue.
maybe stop watching TEEVEE for awhile
While that's true in the 20s and maybe the start of the 30s, things really turn against women after that point. Many a mom has told her daughter that if she doesn't hurry up and find someone while young & beautiful she'll have a much harder time later, even if she's well-ensconced in her career and doing OK financially (as those things won't count for much with guys and may drive some off). Also, the numbers game really starts hurting women. Inmates, oil rig workers, "Deadliest Catch" fishermen, people in dangerous occupations - heavily male. They either die or go out of circulation. LGBTs also work against them, as male couples well outnumber female ones. It really causes the pool to dry up starting in the 30s or thereabouts.
To an ad writer, the idea they have is that it appeals to women to see women come out on top in a short morality play, and that will "associate the product with a wanted lifestyle change" or something. It also has some corporate think that they will catch shit all day if they make the women the butt of the joke, and they can only think of making someone the butt of the joke.
The idea that a product or service will "overcome the male unfairness of society" is baked in, and it is yes quite wrong, but will continue as long as such marketing techniques continue to work. It actually does make women want to buy the product, as is reinforces their bias and makes them feel connected to a mythical "struggle for equality" being fictionalized.
We all love to see the bad guy get his just desserts, and somehow that has become a forcefeed marketing tactic that is very very one-sided in popular ad media. Like wise the promotion of woman on man violence as always justified in many many shows. It is only when a woman is totally over the line and villainous that she is ever on the receiving end and it is never "a joke" like it is with men.
Ever watch the Hallmark Channel, or any "women's channel" ? they are full of this "trading up" BS even though it is often dumping a maniacal rich psycho for a down-to-earth working guy that thinks she is a princess, and says yes to everything she wants. The Barbie fantasy has metastasized from simple glitz and glamour to a ruthless hunger games.
I am a bit suspect of the professor's clinical anthropological take on men, I feel it is a thesis paper taken to the gospel level, to push his book and specifically his book tour. Lacking from the discussion are any talk about what is being done to the education system or in government and society to remedy any of this, or whether or not his conclusions are inevitable, unwavering, or really backed-up with empirical evidence. I am sure there is a difference between income classes and dense communities such as cities and sparse ones. Anytime you segment the world into "Men" and "Women" and speak of them as different sets, opposing sets even, you end up overgeneralizing and spouting slogan-laden shock statements to get attention.
Everything is "A Disaster" for the society with this guy.
Another thing he said that was key was that "When Technology enters an industry it consolidates it" and that is a HUGE thing to throw out there -- without foundation -- that sounds extremely overarching and totalitarian in its effect. But is it universally true? Did the latex condom and the pill make the birth rate plunge to nothing? The post WWII birth rate was huge, despite the availability of birth control. The prevalence of VD did take a huge plunge, though.
No, it had quite an effect, but that was intended and took a long long time to be developed, marketed, and adopted to current levels. Only abstinence promoters would use the argument that the pill was "A disaster" for orphanages or for lasting marriages. But he singles out "Dating Apps" as "A Disaster" for romantic relationships on that basis. I am skeptical, but still intrigued. I will probably get the book.
@@spikeysnack well said. We are constantly fed BS on a daily basis. I cut my cord years ago
This only is true about White men.
Every single guy I dated had a lower level of education than me. It was never an issue between us because once i was financially set, i just looked for someone who could make me laugh and wanted to go out and do fun things with me. However, i do see that a lot of women still have these ideas that men have to be "above" them in some capacity and that just isnt going to work in a modern society. Social media is great in some ways, but it does make people less social, give men extreamly unrealistic expectations beauty standards in women, and women very unrealistic standards in men's providing ability--especially in today's economy. People need to get out more, learn to value personal relationships beyond "what can you do for me", and we need a better economy so people can actually afford to go out.
A dog can make you laugh and go do fun things, like frisbee.
It is interesting women simultaneously demand equality….and yet, also want men who are “above” them. Of course, no one ever excused women of being the logical sex, lol.
so your saying women want to choose a man who is above them in some category, but then turn around and complain to society about the very same men in these higher position? this sounds very odd to me
Education levels are nothing to be proud of anymore. Higher education has been so dumbed down that most degrees aren't worth the paper they're printed on. ....I have an advanced degree and taught at the University level for 20 years. It got worse and worse every year.
Here's the biggest problem in the west, young women are getting destroyed by toxic feminism and a lot of guys are just giving up because they feel like they can't win. I get it because I left the dating world for 5 years but I did find the right woman and she didn't grow up in America.
The actual stat is 28% of men ages 18-30 reported no sex in the last year. A dramatic increase since 2008 or so when it was around 8%. The rise in male sexlessness roughly corresponds with the rise of smart phones and social media/online dating apps.
So are the women just having sex with each other? Haha.
Porn is poison
So? Maybe these guys should learn self control.
@@sarahrobertson634 The heck are you talking about?
@@vincentfalcone9218 If men have self control, sexlessness is not an issue. Duh.
I feel like the audience on this show will applaud ANYTHING 👏
Nope just women hating on men
Yeah, they're women. Social conformity matters more than putting your thinking hat on to them.
This is one of the reason why young men have gravitated towards figures like Jordan Peterson,Andrew Tate, Kevin Samual, and others. We’re frustrated and alone and need some purpose to life, and unfortunately, we’re not getting it.
All of those men have a certain kind of message
- Womens values are around their appearance and not their accomplishments
- Womens purpose in life is to be a mother
- Women lose value after 25
Its basically the kind of message that appeals to a frustrated unsuccessful young man who is being rejected or is anxious around ambitious/smart/hardworking women. If you cant beat them, make it not count due to their gender. Only give it value when men do it. Thats not a solution.
What would actually help young men:
- Invest in grooming/fitness because women are visual despite what men have been told
- Focus on making a good income but dont let that be all you offer
- Learn domestic skills and be supportive for childcare
- Stop waiting until 30s to get “serious” about dating. Stop sleeping around with a million different women.
- Understand that more than half of homes are dual income. So being a partner is more valuable than being a “provider”. Id take a dude with a 40 hour job who makes ok money but is a good partner at home.
@@thezu9250 Ending women's suffrage would solve the issue. Way simpler.
@@thezu9250 the fact that you think low value men are sleeping with millions of women is giving me a good chuckle. It also show how out of touch you are when it comes to mens issues. Did you watch the video? 1 in 3 men have not had sex in the past year. Also, Kevin Samuels literally tells men to wash their ass, lose weight, dress well, and work 2 jobs/ 60 hours a week or more if that’s what it takes to get to a level of financial stability. I’d recommend actually viewing Kevin’s content instead of regurgitating what you’ve read on biased womens blogs and the FDS subreddit
@@Stranger_In_The_Alps I’m sorry that your reading comprehension is poor. Are you denying that those gurus don’t advise men to sleep around in their 20s and then get serious in their 30s? How many times has Andrew Tate stated that it’s fine for men to sleep around on their partners but women can’t? What kind of high value woman is going to want to be in that type of relationship? If men want to be in a relationship they need to actually date seriously younger instead of sleeping or trying to sleep with 1 million women. Then turning around in their 40s demanding partners that are in their early 20s.
It’s really hilarious to me how you guys follow false idols that have had multiple divorces with rocky relationships with their children. Many of these guys are literally single or with sugar babies by a different name. There’s plenty of content where they teach men how to be men that is not toxic or out of touch.
Also you should’ve read the rest of data
“Men also were more likely to have had three or more partners in the past year (15 percent) compared to women (7 percent).
Researchers also looked at some of the sociodemographics that can affect sexual activity, including working either full time, part time or not at all; being a student; and income. They found that compared to men working full time, those working part time, those not working and students were more likely to be sexually inactive. Men with higher incomes had a lower likelihood of being sexually inactive.”
Instead of blaming women, the advice should be about building yourself if you want to be successful in the dating market. Yeessshhh
@@thezu9250 oof, not you proving my point. Big yikes. Don’t get upset with me because you told on yourself. You’re so out of touch and now you’re resorting to unsourced cherry picked data to support your straw man theories, and moving the goalposts to “blaming women”
Yes as the video has already stated, the top 10% of men are having the most sex. Of course they are, they’re in the top 10%…but we are having a discussion about the other 90% of men. This is simple reading comprehension which you obviously lack.
I’d recommend you remove yourself from those misandry filled subreddits and go touch some grass. For once you might give the idea of thinking on your own a try. Get well soon 🥰
If you're gonna talk about young men, would probably make sense to have a young man on the panel to get their perspective. Work from home seems like the very last issue young men face, not least because those WFH jobs tend to be among the most well paid and are typically beyond those without degrees anyway.
Also if people save two hour by not commuting they can use it to go to socialize in gym or library or whatever rock their boat.
@@drazenkasvedruzic3849 not to mention the amount of money you save on gas which is also healthier for the environment. We as a society have to realize it's a whole new world and we have to rethink how we are raising our children to think. It's not the 1950s where mawmaw and pawpaw meet at a high school or college dance, marry and spend the rest of their lives raising kids and working. That's not fulfillment in the world today...but it can absolutely still be, if we just rethink the way we define love, relationships and society as a whole. And until we start putting the average person (especially their children) first instead of corporate billionaires, none of this will ever be possible.
@@drazenkasvedruzic3849 but in my experience men in a rut who WFH don’t do that with their free time. They go to gaming and Reddit
WFH is actually great. Move out of the US & your entire dating world will change. Speaking from my own experience.
They are more interested in hearing themselves talk…just like making sense of inflation, they blame the war in Ukraine, but never talk about how to end it?🤔
It’s all BS, Bill just has a better delivery than Don Lemmon…
Being a man in today's society means burying your feelings, doing a job without complaint, and never opening up to anyone but a current, trusted partner.
Empathy doesn't figure into it. Socialization doesn't figure into it. Societies have become increasingly alienating and self isolating with better telecommunications.
What else could the outcome be?
that is the problem...we all need to try to become what humans were meant to be instead of these outdated murderous stereotypes...and we don't have much time left to do it
Basically being a slave
You can't open up to your "trusted" partner either. Doing so will cause her to see you as weak and then she starts cheating on you.
@@jjchmiel78 An it's your fault - society.
@@jjchmiel78 I was married to a guy for 30 years--if you can't rely on your SO then he/she is not the right person for you. I never looked at my husband as being "weak", just human. And I *never* cheated on him!
They don't mention how women are harassed and intimidated by those angry men. It's scary out there. And this panel is blaming women for being too "choosy", while we have to watch our back very carefully. This was a very shallow review of the whole situation.
Maybe stop treating every man that doesn't live up to unrealistic standards like less than human animals and this won't happen
@@SYMBIOTEDINOSAUR Not wanting to be harassed is an "unrealistic standard"? This is why you're in a "crisis".
@@SYMBIOTEDINOSAUR men do that too they treat women who are unattractive as less than humans but women never went out harassing men
I think education and vocational training are keys to helping men be successful. When I say education, I don't necessarily mean a university. Many young men would do very well in trades such as welding, electrician, plumbing, etc. It would keep them busy and help them to learn problem solving. In addition, they would have much less debt from university and have a decent income. This would give young men much more to look forward to in life and I'm sure women would be interested in a man who is dedicated to a craft and has a steady income. Success doesn't always have to be a suit and tie.
They can't handle real dedication or work.
@@slytherben Hey thanks for sharing your joe blue collar get rich quick story. Time for me to play the lottery and get rich like Joe blue collar too.
lol
It’s a cultural attitude. In Australia, tradies are highly prized by women.
Because they can earn good money, tend to be physically strong and know how to do useful stuff.
But also Australian culture is proudly of its working class.
Unlike the US where being working class is seen as a shameful failure.
@@slytherben He's in high demand because he is both buff and rich.
I have no friends, can't get a date and I feel like I'm dying from loneliness. At least its nice to hear this being talked about on a large scale now.
Gotta be brave!
stay strong and true to yourself my friend. Life twists and turns, stay the course
Darn, I wish we were neightbors.
Life is uncertain, and you never know what will come around the corner. Walking with Jesus is liberating, because his plans are so much better than anything we could come up with on our own. And he does tend to work more in the background, but as a Jesus-follower living in a very dangerous and uncertain world, I have to admit that I too would be flailing about if I didn't have his Holy Spirit guiding me. I say this as someone with a neurological disability and a speech impediment. Maybe I can pray for you.
Everything they are talking about was considered far right, red pilled and misogynistic recently and would get you banned for talking about it. Not it’s making it to mainstream media.
There is no crisis. We young men are just not interested in commuting to work, or going to college, or dating women. Just leave us alone. We’re happy like this and don’t want to burden our lives with a miserable job, or mountains of debt, or nagging women.
In the past I've complained a few times on message boards about how disastrous dating apps and sites have been for, well, dating. (I'm GenX so I remember when a guy actually had to *talk* to women.) Invariably I'd get responses from women saying something like, "What do you mean? Dating apps are fantastic! I met my husband on one!" Dating apps/sites are great for women, awful for men.
Also just add that the Tinder of 2012 (where you had a good chance of meeting your partner) is VASTLY different from Tinder 2022 where it has monetized the loneliness of men that you have to pay for Tinder gold and you're at the mercy of that damn algorithm.
Oh my God, people are talking about this. How surreal.
Yes, I taught for ten years at a community college, post retirement. I imagined young people as I left them, I was astonished at what I saw returning to college after thirty years. They bore no resemblance to the late 70s early 80s. No law we can enact will stop the violence this is causing, we have to make what will likely be a very unpalatable social change if we expect different outcomes. I remain hopeful in this regard, but cautiously so as today we have a culture that eschews difficult things, and this change will most certainly be difficult, or we can just live (maybe) with the violence. Bottom line once again we left a segment of society behind just as we have done over and over for centuries, lift all boats or sink.
Men who can't get laid become violent very quickly.
'lift all boats or sink" ...or, more predictably, "lift those few who find themselves, whether by prudence or chance, in possession of a suitable floatation device".
>lift all boats or sink.
Is this country capable of sinking? Its been known for centuries that USA is 'charmed'; which means winning despite mistakes.
What do you mean by unpalatable social change? Very vague.
@@MistaSmilesz The U.S. has some of the best resources and land structure which allowed it to become a powerhouse. If you look at U.S. geography it's easy to see that the U.S. won't fall any time soon. This allows the U.S. to get away with making plenty of mistakes that would ruin most other countries.
Many men are working trade jobs, most of which make a living. There are many unemployed people. Not just men. If women prefer a wealthy man then so be it. It's not like you're going to change them. I date women sometimes but they're robotic and boring. I prefer solitude over interacting with bs people. Some people say I have a high iq but all I care about is what I feel about myself while facing the mirror.