Pathetic. Its terrible, that you don't have more of a platform. All these "big" names in the POE community that have cult followings, but don't take time to breakdown concepts of the game for everyone like you do. You've been doing this for awhile now. Just know your work is appreciated beyond expression & we do enjoy you being part of the community, a pillar believe it or not. Please keep up your contributions.
I'm glad you enjoy the content. This kind of content isn't for everyone. A lot of folks don't really want to watch an 80 minute long video. That's okay though. I just do it for fun, and it makes me happy there is a niche of folks out there who appreciate it. Cheers.
@CowPimp you're doing good work. I would only suggest that you offer a couple tips for people, for example I run a build that is a bit of a glass cannon and the build guide is nice but doesn't explain how the defensive mechanisms work, and watching your video made me realize it uses endurance as part of the defense. The items are really bad and leaves me with like 30% damage reduction from armor, no evasion, but it can feel tanky at times. If you make a couple suggestions for people leveling it could be helpful too.
excellent video, very informative. this is very straight forward and easily understood. a lot less rambling then some of the video out there. people sometimes ramble or digress so much information either get lost or distorted from memory. thanks for the explanation.
Great video! Something i'd like to add about immortal call that i don't see mentioned often enough is that though in a lot of cases it gives less mitigation than other guard skills (unless you have a lot of hp) it has a few key advantages: -Doesn't really need gem levels for scaling, this means that getting str is not a problem -It doesn't only scale with endurance charges, but also with skill effect duration. Which if you are getting for some other reason, it becomes a very solid guard (thinking wintertide brand or storm burst, you already want skill effect duration) -It doesn't deplete. Sure the other guard might give you more mitigation when they are full, but immortal call gives you the same mitigation no mater if you take a hit or not.
Good points! I do actually reference the first point. I have a bullet point noting that Immortal Call is the best guard skill to use if you can't reasonably invest in the stats that make the other ones powerful. Technically all of them scale with duration, but duration is perhaps a little more powerful on Immortal Call because of your last point. With enough HP recovery, it can mitigate insane amounts of damage without "breaking." I think IC is undervalued a little bit because of the power provided by a decent chunk of armour + Molten Shell. I'm still trying to figure it out, but my league starter may actually utilize IC and endurance charges on a Slayer running Masterful Form. I'm not fully decided, but a good chunk of evasion + Grace, a bunch of endurance charges, and IC could be the core of a pretty solid defensive package.
Another important point to mention here is that Immortal Call is the only guard skill that directly mitigates damage from DoT effects, which is important if you're otherwise covered against hits.
@@apocryphascribe5019 Very true indeed. The last build I played this league really tried to leverage the power of IC. It was effective enough that between taking that and the armour wheel which increases duration, reduces cooldown, and grants a bleed/corrupting blood clearing effect for guard skills, I was able to survive without a bleed flask. I also went alt quality to reduce cooldown further, and had lots of endurance charges for big duration. I was thinking of going Ashes of the Stars too, which would have lowered the cooldown even further. That setup really showcased the power of the skill.
i enjoy your vocabulary. I discovered your comment on Asmongolds reddit post about defenses. I'm also enjoying all this new knowledge to help my HC Sentinel raider NOT die. I just got lv90 and im gonna catch your entropy video after i digest this one. Thanks a ton :)
Great video! Lots of stuff I didn't know, and some really surprsing. The synergy between armor and other sources of physical damage reduction surprised me -- I had thought that would be an anti-synergy. Changed how I think about that.
Fantastic video as always. Something that I would like for you to cover is different methods of raising keeping up charges in the game. In both this defensive video and your recent offensive video you briefly mention the usefulness of charges, but how to raise and keep up these charges is not really discussed. If it is possible to generalize this topic and you would like to cover it, please do. Thanks.
That's actually a really interesting idea for a video. It might be that each charge would be worthy of its own shorter form video, because there are A LOT of specific interactions for each charge. I appreciate the suggestion. Cheers.
Very informative and immediately useful! I no longer scoff at the "3% reduced physical damage taken" crafted shield mod, as I see now why it's so rare and so small: it pushes way beyond the linear cap which would have taken 10s of thousands of Armour to lift normally, which is just out of reach for my current Witch char. Thanks for the thorough explanations, I now have a few goals to reach along the way to reducing my death rate from that of a techno song BPM :v
Not just being a pedant here, but "3% reduced physical damage taken" is not the same as "3% additional physical damage reduction" (which is the exact text of that mod). If it said the former, then it would not aggregate with other sources of physical damage reduction (e.g. endurance charges) or armour. All that aside, you are correct that it's powerful with other sources, and that's really the key takeaway. Glad you found some of the info useful. Cheers!
Ah yes, "3% Additional Physical Damage Reduction" is the one. Now I'm thinking about working Evasion into my defenses, it feels a bit weird going for all 3 when the classes seem focused on just 1 or 2, but for now I'm hoping to: kill fast->evade->block/suppress->mitigate(Armour/Resist)->fast regen buffer(ES)->regen life. Interestingly, there's a unique shield: "Emperor's Vigilance" which adds Glancing Blows, doubles attack/spell block and unblocked hits bypass ES, which seems like it would allow you to capitalize on life regen which might get wasted while ES is up normally?
@@Shanjaq I would have to see a tree/PoB to really comment. Definitely be careful of spreading yourself too thin. Still, some builds can get away with including a lot of defensive layers.
Thank you, it's been annoying me quite a lot lately that people use ehp to describe hp, especially since ehp is already described accurately in pob, so it doesnt make any sense for people to use it differently.
Nice compilation of almost everything, learnt a thing or two :). Just 1 thing I wanted to find out, and you didnt know either. Really wanted to know the order of the spell suppression damage calculation, which, in the case of the armour, does matter if it comes before or after for the sake of reducing the big hit before the armour formula kicks in, but i guess that, until GGG answers on any post on reddit or the forums, we wont find out. Thanks for the vid :)
Armour is definitely calculated before Spell Suppression is applies. Armour considers "raw" damage. The only thing that happens before armour is the damage taken as/damage shift that something like Lightning Coil does. Technically evade happens first, but it doesn't really change anything because you take 0 damage if you evade.
@@CowPimp i disagree on that. When using Transcendence keystone (armour reduction applies to elemental damage), elemental resistances apply before armour, so maybe other things could. Do you think that, on the wiki(receiving damage page), step 5 (reduced and less damage taken) applies to spell suppression? That would make sense, and come after armour on step4, but we have no real confirmation.
@@ZelotITO I guess that's technically true, but the Transcendence mechanic is a bit of a niche situation. Because elemental damage is balanced around the assumption that you have 75% resistance to elemental damage, the keystone would be absolute garbage if raw damage values were used. I suppose they could have it apply to raw damage and then quadruple the value of something, but this seems more "intuitive." Also, under most circumstances, it's not relevant which is calculated first because they affect completely different things. Anyway, I suppose this doesn't prevent spell suppression from functioning the same way, but let's just say I would be very surprised if it did. That is, I highly doubt spell suppression influences the armour calculation.
Thanks for the feedback! I was actually thinking about making a video about rolling maps at some point. As a follow up, is there anything in particular about map modifiers that you are most interested in learning about?
I'm pretty much a complete beginner at this game so I don't know if this exists but I would love a source that categorizes all of the skill gems into their use types and explains what support gems are effective with them, as well as notable passives and unique gear. As a new player not knowing all of the skills, gear and passives that are available to me makes the game pretty daunting. Sure I can look up the skills themselves but without the notes of what works well with them I only have part of the picture. I feel it would be a useful resource while learning the game.
You can search PoEDB.tw/us to find what supports work with a given skill. Search for the skill, then you'll see a tab called "supported by". This doesn't tell you what the best supports are, but that's impossible anyway because they are context dependent. There is so much content in this game that there isn't really a shortcut to becoming familiar with all available skill synergies. The best thing you can do is learn the foundational concepts so that you can look at a skill and understand what kind of things would synergize with it. Then, when you stumble across those things, you will intuitively make that connection. Again though, there are no shortcuts. I have played thousands of hours, and there is a ton I don't know about the game. To really enjoy this game, you need to embrace the depth and enjoy the learning process, content with the notion that there is always more to learn. At the very least, you have to make peace with not knowing everything, and knowing very little for quite a while. The learning curve is steep, and you will likely be inefficient and fail at certain goals for quite a while. It's definitely not for everyone. I make these videos with the hope of giving people the foundational information to evaluate and understand all the other pieces that connect. It's an uphill battle though, as there is quite a bit to learn before concepts really start to click. Don't hesitate to leverage resources like the Reddit page either. Yeah, it can be toxic sometimes, but there are lots of folks really willing to help. I wish you the best of luck!
@@CowPimp this answer is the most helpful thing I've read to help my situation (which is similar to comment you are replying to) I have 200 hours in the game and and I am unable to make my own build. I am aware of resources like poedb but never new such a tab existed. Definitely makes things easier! You're easily becoming my favorite PoE resource hub. Keep it up!
The tricky part is it really depends where you are on the tree, what kind of gear you need to wear, if base stats will be an issue, and a variety of other factors. Really generalized information like that is tough to provide, and sometimes misleading. That said, I could potentially include a section like that in the future, but with those kinds of caveats explicitly laid out. I appreciate the suggestion. Cheers.
Definitely a strong combination of defensive stats. Not everyone can access those quite so easily though, and sometimes folks like to know why the combination is strong. If you follow that template though, you will do at least decent defensively.
I received some similar feedback on Reddit. In the future, I am going to avoid such stylized text. I didn't realize readability was an issue. My apologies for that, and I appreciate the honest and helpful feedback.
That is a fantastic question. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure. Because the entropy counter is "shared" among different enemies, and there doesn't appear to be a second entropy counter that is active at any time, I imagine it's one of two possibilities. One, the entropy counter ticks up and considers the crit roll to be functionally the same as a separate attack. Two, the entropy counter is not used for the crit check, and it's simply a random roll. This is a great question though, because if it's the former, then that would make you functionally immune to critical strikes from incoming attacks. Maybe I'll try asking on their forums. Again, really great question. Cheers.
@@CowPimp After looking at the wiki, it does state, "A critical hit is evaded on a separate random roll and will not affect this entropy value." I'm not sure if this means that it does not affect the entropy counter value or if it means it ignores the entropy system entirely. Also, if I understand entropy correctly, the counter value would reset much more often with critical strikes, making the next crit a purely chance-based roll anyways. Not sure about that though. Love the video, though, ̶l̶o̶o̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶w̶a̶r̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶D̶a̶m̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ found it :)
@@kaizer989 It sounds like it is a completely random roll. That makes a lot of sense to me honestly. Thanks for that clarification. One of the reasons I like making these videos is trying to explain things always helps me learn something too. Questions like this as a follow up contribute to the learning process. Cheers.
Knowing where to find all of these stats on items is really a whole other topic. If you're not familiar with poedb.tw and poewiki.net, then I would definitely try and get comfortable with those resources. Those will help you identify where to find certain stats once you are familiar with them. That said, you can't just jam every defensive layer into a build, at least not if you expect to do respectable damage. Knowing what sacrifices you can make and still have a reasonable defensive package is a bit of an art. Even if I explain conceptually how to analyze your defensive strengths and weaknesses, you still need to try things out before you know how much of any given stat you need for a build to be survivable. Get out there and start experimenting!
@@CowPimp yeah it's definitely a learning curve. I'm just not sure I'm stubborn enough to keep dying to figure it out. Thanks for the video and awesome help.
@@Demortixx Do you have a Path of Building link for your character? No promise on turnaround time, but I would be happy to take a look at it and offer some suggestions.
@@CowPimp that would be awesome but I don't really have a current character. I gave up on current league pretty quick. I just have 5 your old characters in standard.
@@Demortixx I see. Well, that question is difficult to tackle without the specific context of an individual character build to work with. Next time you start to plan a character maybe we can have a look.
Honestly, I'm not sure. I would imagine that, on average, it's somewhat similar to most areas (physical attacks are most common), but I could certainly be wrong. One thing worth noting about Simulacrum is that the alternate ailments (brittle, scorch, and sap) and impale are reasonably common threats. The mods probably have a big impact on what is actively threatening at any given time. Because you can't reroll them, it does seem like it can vary wildly. Also, for what it's worth, Omniphobia is almost entirely physical damage. Kosis does some damage of all types, so he's difficult to neutralize as a threat entirely.
I think of 'eHP' the way that you described it, and I think that's the most meaningful way to define & think about eHP (and, hopefully, the most common). However, some people may think of "HP" as "health pool", and not "hit points". Such an acronym often refers specifically to life, so that could be why some might think of an effective health pool as being life+[things that aren't life]. They're wrong ;), but that may be why.
The changes to evasion and the new difficulty at capping it have made the Arrow Dancing keystone a considerably more viable option than it used to be on non raider ranged characters, I've been able to get 95% caps on really low investment evasion characters against projectiles considering it affects chance to evade rather than evasion rating as opposed to something like Wind Dancer.
Arrow Dancing is a pretty neat keystone, and one that probably doesn't get taken often enough. I wonder if we'll see increased usage this league because of the buffs to bow characters. This keystone is clearly designed to be used with ranged characters, so it did just get an indirect buff.
I was just thinking about going down the rabbit hole on this topic as I plan for next season. Thank you so much for your contribution to the community!
content and delivery topo notch, you deserve a lot more subs and views, i subscribed, keep it goin'! Just a question since im "new" can we consider block part of the defensive layer against spells? Block should block spells right?
Thanks for the kind words. I probably need to make content more consistently for all that, but I'm glad some folks find it useful. By the way, are you from Italy, by chance? Your name sounds Italian. I happen to be on vacation in Italy; I'm in a rural part of the Umbria region. Either way, thanks again. Ciao.
@@federicocapriotti2180 Cool! I've never been to that region, but have been to San Marino and Assisi somewhat nearby. To your original question, block does not work against spells. There is a separate spell block stat which is completely unrelated (except that some passives provide a bit of both), unless you take the Versatile Combatant keystone and convert some block chance into spell block chance.
It is, but only if that's somehow universal. You don't mention eHP with respect to what damage type/source? For example, it's probably not worth the change if that's only for physical damage, but meanwhile you die more easily to elemental and chaos damage.
Hi Cowpimp Just a question with regards to "avoid" damage, if I get 75% chance to avoid damage from hits by scaling elusive effect 1) Does Avoid work like block ? a total random or Does it work like evade or dodge? 2) From Poe wiki "avoidance" section, it say avoid happened if block failed, however from poe wiki "receiving damage" section, using example of Glitterdisc shield, avoid is placed higher than block. So which is correct?
Avoid is random. I think they are using "avoidance" as a more general term that refers to some kind of chance based mitigation, as opposed to something like resistances which are not chance based. Avoid takes place before block, but you could still block a hit that you avoid I'm pretty sure. It just wouldn't matter because you take 0 damage either way (but still might be relevant if you have any on block effects).
I went and looked at the page to see what you mean. Now I'm not so sure. I guess the question is why does it matter? I think in most situations the order in which those things occur is irrelevant.
@@CowPimp Thank you for the reply, one last question, if I to combo with Avoid(75%), Spell Dodge (75%), and block (75%), 3 of them being random ,would that lower the chance of taking damage to 0%?
@@edwinsim6024 Spell dodge and block don't work against the same damage sources. Block only works against attacks and spell dodge only works against spells, unless you're talking about spell block. In the case you present, the chance of a spell or attack dealing damage to you is .25*.25, which is 6.25% (which is 93.75% to prevent the damage). If you meant to say spell block, then you multiply .25*.25*.25, which is a 1.56% chance a spell deals damage to you (or 98.44% chance to prevent all the damage of an incoming spell).
How would elusive buff affect the evasion effectiveness? Obviously it's hard to calculate with the constant decaying plus different sources of it, but, as I understand it, the function will become tighter to 0 as the buff is applied and decay to normal afterwards. I am curious about this cause I want to see how much practical evade chance can be stacked with the minimal evasion investment due to using Hollow Palm technique. Dread banner, blind, Arrow Dancing and Elusive seem like a good start but I wonder if I am missing something. Thanks for the video, it helped me a lot!
Elusive has no effect on evasion, and vice versa. They are completely separate multipliers. 50% evade chance will double your eHP against strings of attacks whether you have 15% chance to avoid damage or 0%. Dread banner and blind will definitely help though. You absolutely need +% chance to evade and/or more chance to evade from Raider to get the most out of a minimal investment into actual evasion rating though.
@@FyneappleJuice No worries at all! Hopefully I didn't confuse anyone by not specifying that was an example as obviously as I should. Thanks for watching.
I may have missed it, but I don't think you've talked about petrified blood (could have been a point in leech when talking about overleech, or it could have its own section too)
You are correct. I avoided this discussion because I felt like it would require too much time to thoroughly explore. I actually discovered a pretty in depth guide from the same content creator who created the leech guide I linked. Perhaps I should link it in the description. Thanks for watching.
Yeah, I just haven't really had time for putting out the type of content I like recently, but it's a great idea. I have a couple of things partially done that I may eventually finish, but this is another good idea that actually fits well with something I had in mind anyway. Thanks for the feedback and suggestion. Cheers!
I dont know what your real life occupation is but im convinced you are a beast at it ! Your that type of guy that if you said " just trust me on this", I simply would without any doubts lol
Haha, thanks for that. If you're curious, I was a personal training for a very long time. I made a career switch a couple of years ago and now work in IT. Initially, I mostly did tech support, but have transitioned to doing more engineering work and some admin stuff too. Cheers.
@@CowPimp I was actually lol. Well, engieering work definitly fits the persona i'd say :). You have a very structured and clear manner of explaining things. If you ever get the opportuny at work of being part of a mentor program you would be an S tier candidate. Cheers !
I made a reddit post recently asking if more evasion, specifically, any amount beyond 95% chance to evade (watcher's eye or not) had the same effect as armour where more armour actually helps against bigger hits. The discussion boiled down to whether or not monsters' hit chance can ever get below 5%. The rationale was that 'monster chance to hit' is the calculation you presented which factors in accuracy and my evasion rating. Astronomical amounts of evasion would mean astronomically low monster chance to hit and therefore more than 95% chance to evade. Essentially getting hit less than once every 20 hits, which, in turn, means getting a monster's chance to hit less than 5%. Are you aware if there is such a hard cap or is my thinking flawed altogether? Also, thanks for these videos, super helpful
Evasion is hard capped at 95%. There is no way to increase it beyond that point. Also, evasion has no interaction with the size of the incoming hit. It either completely prevents the damage, or it doesn't, and that's entirely dependent on a successful evasion roll. Bottom line: any investment you make beyond that which gets you to a 95% chance to evade is completely wasted. The only exception would be for maps where evasion rating is lowered by the map mod, or if the enemy has an increased accuracy mod, and thus you would need a higher evasion rating to be capped against them.
Thank you for such a comprehensive and useful video. Extra thanks for finally making leech scaling click in my brain; I've watched/read multiple explanations of leech mechanics, but this is the first time I finally had an "Ah ha!" moment and got it. Cheers!
Pathetic. Its terrible, that you don't have more of a platform. All these "big" names in the POE community that have cult followings, but don't take time to breakdown concepts of the game for everyone like you do. You've been doing this for awhile now. Just know your work is appreciated beyond expression & we do enjoy you being part of the community, a pillar believe it or not. Please keep up your contributions.
I'm glad you enjoy the content. This kind of content isn't for everyone. A lot of folks don't really want to watch an 80 minute long video. That's okay though. I just do it for fun, and it makes me happy there is a niche of folks out there who appreciate it. Cheers.
Those first three words make me think your comment was going somewhere very different. :)
@CowPimp you're doing good work. I would only suggest that you offer a couple tips for people, for example I run a build that is a bit of a glass cannon and the build guide is nice but doesn't explain how the defensive mechanisms work, and watching your video made me realize it uses endurance as part of the defense. The items are really bad and leaves me with like 30% damage reduction from armor, no evasion, but it can feel tanky at times. If you make a couple suggestions for people leveling it could be helpful too.
It's like the difference between listening to a lecture and understanding nothing, and then understanding everything through a competent tutor.
Thanks for the guide ~ Made me realize how valuable endurance charges were
Nice! Yeah, I think they are a bit underrated, especially considering how popular armour is.
excellent video, very informative. this is very straight forward and easily understood. a lot less rambling then some of the video out there. people sometimes ramble or digress so much information either get lost or distorted from memory. thanks for the explanation.
Thanks for that, and glad you found it useful. I'll keep that in mind going forward to help me stay focused and avoid falling into that trap.
I realize that you are the PoE PhD of legends
Haha, I'm glad you enjoy the content.
This is very helpful! Thanks for doing all of the math for us, if I even tried doing it myself I wouldn't actually have any time to play!
Cheers!
Great video!
Something i'd like to add about immortal call that i don't see mentioned often enough is that though in a lot of cases it gives less mitigation than other guard skills (unless you have a lot of hp) it has a few key advantages:
-Doesn't really need gem levels for scaling, this means that getting str is not a problem
-It doesn't only scale with endurance charges, but also with skill effect duration. Which if you are getting for some other reason, it becomes a very solid guard (thinking wintertide brand or storm burst, you already want skill effect duration)
-It doesn't deplete. Sure the other guard might give you more mitigation when they are full, but immortal call gives you the same mitigation no mater if you take a hit or not.
Good points! I do actually reference the first point. I have a bullet point noting that Immortal Call is the best guard skill to use if you can't reasonably invest in the stats that make the other ones powerful.
Technically all of them scale with duration, but duration is perhaps a little more powerful on Immortal Call because of your last point. With enough HP recovery, it can mitigate insane amounts of damage without "breaking."
I think IC is undervalued a little bit because of the power provided by a decent chunk of armour + Molten Shell. I'm still trying to figure it out, but my league starter may actually utilize IC and endurance charges on a Slayer running Masterful Form. I'm not fully decided, but a good chunk of evasion + Grace, a bunch of endurance charges, and IC could be the core of a pretty solid defensive package.
Another important point to mention here is that Immortal Call is the only guard skill that directly mitigates damage from DoT effects, which is important if you're otherwise covered against hits.
@@apocryphascribe5019 Very true indeed. The last build I played this league really tried to leverage the power of IC. It was effective enough that between taking that and the armour wheel which increases duration, reduces cooldown, and grants a bleed/corrupting blood clearing effect for guard skills, I was able to survive without a bleed flask.
I also went alt quality to reduce cooldown further, and had lots of endurance charges for big duration. I was thinking of going Ashes of the Stars too, which would have lowered the cooldown even further.
That setup really showcased the power of the skill.
Superb guide!
Thanks for watching. Cheers.
Great guide. Thank you.
Thanks for watching. Cheers.
i enjoy your vocabulary. I discovered your comment on Asmongolds reddit post about defenses. I'm also enjoying all this new knowledge to help my HC Sentinel raider NOT die. I just got lv90 and im gonna catch your entropy video after i digest this one. Thanks a ton :)
Glad you found it useful. Grats on level 90 in HC; you're already doing better than most to make it that far.
When the cat walks in and you loose all focus on listening 🥰😁
lol feels like in business meeting, and thats a good thing !
Hopefully business is good. Cheers.
Great Video, love you.
Thanks for the kind words. Love you too.
Great video! Lots of stuff I didn't know, and some really surprsing. The synergy between armor and other sources of physical damage reduction surprised me -- I had thought that would be an anti-synergy. Changed how I think about that.
Glad to hear it was helpful. Thanks for watching. Cheers.
Fantastic video as always. Something that I would like for you to cover is different methods of raising keeping up charges in the game. In both this defensive video and your recent offensive video you briefly mention the usefulness of charges, but how to raise and keep up these charges is not really discussed. If it is possible to generalize this topic and you would like to cover it, please do. Thanks.
That's actually a really interesting idea for a video. It might be that each charge would be worthy of its own shorter form video, because there are A LOT of specific interactions for each charge. I appreciate the suggestion. Cheers.
Very informative and immediately useful! I no longer scoff at the "3% reduced physical damage taken" crafted shield mod, as I see now why it's so rare and so small: it pushes way beyond the linear cap which would have taken 10s of thousands of Armour to lift normally, which is just out of reach for my current Witch char. Thanks for the thorough explanations, I now have a few goals to reach along the way to reducing my death rate from that of a techno song BPM :v
Not just being a pedant here, but "3% reduced physical damage taken" is not the same as "3% additional physical damage reduction" (which is the exact text of that mod). If it said the former, then it would not aggregate with other sources of physical damage reduction (e.g. endurance charges) or armour.
All that aside, you are correct that it's powerful with other sources, and that's really the key takeaway.
Glad you found some of the info useful. Cheers!
Ah yes, "3% Additional Physical Damage Reduction" is the one. Now I'm thinking about working Evasion into my defenses, it feels a bit weird going for all 3 when the classes seem focused on just 1 or 2, but for now I'm hoping to: kill fast->evade->block/suppress->mitigate(Armour/Resist)->fast regen buffer(ES)->regen life. Interestingly, there's a unique shield: "Emperor's Vigilance" which adds Glancing Blows, doubles attack/spell block and unblocked hits bypass ES, which seems like it would allow you to capitalize on life regen which might get wasted while ES is up normally?
@@Shanjaq I would have to see a tree/PoB to really comment. Definitely be careful of spreading yourself too thin. Still, some builds can get away with including a lot of defensive layers.
Series with showcasing tanky builds would be nice!
I appreciate the suggestion. Cheers.
Very good video
Thanks!
Thank you, it's been annoying me quite a lot lately that people use ehp to describe hp, especially since ehp is already described accurately in pob, so it doesnt make any sense for people to use it differently.
Indeed. I think it's starting to change some now that streamers are referencing eHP values in PoB. Cheers!
Nice compilation of almost everything, learnt a thing or two :).
Just 1 thing I wanted to find out, and you didnt know either. Really wanted to know the order of the spell suppression damage calculation, which, in the case of the armour, does matter if it comes before or after for the sake of reducing the big hit before the armour formula kicks in, but i guess that, until GGG answers on any post on reddit or the forums, we wont find out.
Thanks for the vid :)
P.D. You used the old Divine Flesh(Glorious Vanity converting keystone) and the old Atziri's Step info xD
Armour is definitely calculated before Spell Suppression is applies. Armour considers "raw" damage. The only thing that happens before armour is the damage taken as/damage shift that something like Lightning Coil does. Technically evade happens first, but it doesn't really change anything because you take 0 damage if you evade.
@@CowPimp i disagree on that.
When using Transcendence keystone (armour reduction applies to elemental damage), elemental resistances apply before armour, so maybe other things could.
Do you think that, on the wiki(receiving damage page), step 5 (reduced and less damage taken) applies to spell suppression? That would make sense, and come after armour on step4, but we have no real confirmation.
@@ZelotITO I guess that's technically true, but the Transcendence mechanic is a bit of a niche situation. Because elemental damage is balanced around the assumption that you have 75% resistance to elemental damage, the keystone would be absolute garbage if raw damage values were used. I suppose they could have it apply to raw damage and then quadruple the value of something, but this seems more "intuitive." Also, under most circumstances, it's not relevant which is calculated first because they affect completely different things. Anyway, I suppose this doesn't prevent spell suppression from functioning the same way, but let's just say I would be very surprised if it did. That is, I highly doubt spell suppression influences the armour calculation.
Very nice and well put together video sir.I am new to this series and your channel if you can ever make one about map mods it would be nice.
Thanks for the feedback!
I was actually thinking about making a video about rolling maps at some point. As a follow up, is there anything in particular about map modifiers that you are most interested in learning about?
I'm pretty much a complete beginner at this game so I don't know if this exists but I would love a source that categorizes all of the skill gems into their use types and explains what support gems are effective with them, as well as notable passives and unique gear. As a new player not knowing all of the skills, gear and passives that are available to me makes the game pretty daunting. Sure I can look up the skills themselves but without the notes of what works well with them I only have part of the picture. I feel it would be a useful resource while learning the game.
You can search PoEDB.tw/us to find what supports work with a given skill. Search for the skill, then you'll see a tab called "supported by". This doesn't tell you what the best supports are, but that's impossible anyway because they are context dependent.
There is so much content in this game that there isn't really a shortcut to becoming familiar with all available skill synergies. The best thing you can do is learn the foundational concepts so that you can look at a skill and understand what kind of things would synergize with it. Then, when you stumble across those things, you will intuitively make that connection.
Again though, there are no shortcuts. I have played thousands of hours, and there is a ton I don't know about the game. To really enjoy this game, you need to embrace the depth and enjoy the learning process, content with the notion that there is always more to learn. At the very least, you have to make peace with not knowing everything, and knowing very little for quite a while. The learning curve is steep, and you will likely be inefficient and fail at certain goals for quite a while. It's definitely not for everyone.
I make these videos with the hope of giving people the foundational information to evaluate and understand all the other pieces that connect. It's an uphill battle though, as there is quite a bit to learn before concepts really start to click. Don't hesitate to leverage resources like the Reddit page either. Yeah, it can be toxic sometimes, but there are lots of folks really willing to help. I wish you the best of luck!
@@CowPimp this answer is the most helpful thing I've read to help my situation (which is similar to comment you are replying to) I have 200 hours in the game and and I am unable to make my own build. I am aware of resources like poedb but never new such a tab existed. Definitely makes things easier! You're easily becoming my favorite PoE resource hub. Keep it up!
@@nousagi1154 Thanks. I need to finish one of these half done projects I have sitting around. Maybe your comment will help motivate me, haha.
@@CowPimp No pressure! There is alot of interesting information in your channel already, including the videos that are outdated (not too outdated!).
Alot of defense layers indeed.
there are more ways to avoid damage than ways to deal damage , and ppl still complain about dying in low tier maps
i was hoping for list of best value defence options
The tricky part is it really depends where you are on the tree, what kind of gear you need to wear, if base stats will be an issue, and a variety of other factors. Really generalized information like that is tough to provide, and sometimes misleading. That said, I could potentially include a section like that in the future, but with those kinds of caveats explicitly laid out. I appreciate the suggestion. Cheers.
Defences - Grace, Defiance Banner and Determination. PoE is easy.
Definitely a strong combination of defensive stats. Not everyone can access those quite so easily though, and sometimes folks like to know why the combination is strong. If you follow that template though, you will do at least decent defensively.
The content is great but the font is not good for non-native English speakers.
Especially all characters are in big caps.
I received some similar feedback on Reddit. In the future, I am going to avoid such stylized text. I didn't realize readability was an issue. My apologies for that, and I appreciate the honest and helpful feedback.
@@CowPimp Thank you, sir. You are amazing!
Is entropy considered in the roll that determines whether critical strike damage is applied?
That is a fantastic question. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure. Because the entropy counter is "shared" among different enemies, and there doesn't appear to be a second entropy counter that is active at any time, I imagine it's one of two possibilities. One, the entropy counter ticks up and considers the crit roll to be functionally the same as a separate attack. Two, the entropy counter is not used for the crit check, and it's simply a random roll. This is a great question though, because if it's the former, then that would make you functionally immune to critical strikes from incoming attacks. Maybe I'll try asking on their forums. Again, really great question. Cheers.
@@CowPimp After looking at the wiki, it does state, "A critical hit is evaded on a separate random roll and will not affect this entropy value." I'm not sure if this means that it does not affect the entropy counter value or if it means it ignores the entropy system entirely. Also, if I understand entropy correctly, the counter value would reset much more often with critical strikes, making the next crit a purely chance-based roll anyways. Not sure about that though.
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@@kaizer989 It sounds like it is a completely random roll. That makes a lot of sense to me honestly. Thanks for that clarification. One of the reasons I like making these videos is trying to explain things always helps me learn something too. Questions like this as a follow up contribute to the learning process. Cheers.
I don't know how to get all the defensive I seem to need
Knowing where to find all of these stats on items is really a whole other topic. If you're not familiar with poedb.tw and poewiki.net, then I would definitely try and get comfortable with those resources. Those will help you identify where to find certain stats once you are familiar with them.
That said, you can't just jam every defensive layer into a build, at least not if you expect to do respectable damage. Knowing what sacrifices you can make and still have a reasonable defensive package is a bit of an art. Even if I explain conceptually how to analyze your defensive strengths and weaknesses, you still need to try things out before you know how much of any given stat you need for a build to be survivable. Get out there and start experimenting!
@@CowPimp yeah it's definitely a learning curve. I'm just not sure I'm stubborn enough to keep dying to figure it out. Thanks for the video and awesome help.
@@Demortixx Do you have a Path of Building link for your character? No promise on turnaround time, but I would be happy to take a look at it and offer some suggestions.
@@CowPimp that would be awesome but I don't really have a current character. I gave up on current league pretty quick. I just have 5 your old characters in standard.
@@Demortixx I see. Well, that question is difficult to tackle without the specific context of an individual character build to work with. Next time you start to plan a character maybe we can have a look.
Very informative but peak autism moment, the hard swallowing was bothering me to no end.
Glad you found it informative, despite my mic picking up unnecessary biological sounds, haha.
This is sooooo informative! My RF build at 150k eHP turned 300k eHP after watching this. More videos like this.
That's awesome! I'm glad it was useful for you. Thanks for your kind words.
and 0 dmg probably
Do you know what kind of damage is overrepresented in simulacrum?
Honestly, I'm not sure. I would imagine that, on average, it's somewhat similar to most areas (physical attacks are most common), but I could certainly be wrong. One thing worth noting about Simulacrum is that the alternate ailments (brittle, scorch, and sap) and impale are reasonably common threats. The mods probably have a big impact on what is actively threatening at any given time. Because you can't reroll them, it does seem like it can vary wildly.
Also, for what it's worth, Omniphobia is almost entirely physical damage. Kosis does some damage of all types, so he's difficult to neutralize as a threat entirely.
I think of 'eHP' the way that you described it, and I think that's the most meaningful way to define & think about eHP (and, hopefully, the most common).
However, some people may think of "HP" as "health pool", and not "hit points". Such an acronym often refers specifically to life, so that could be why some might think of an effective health pool as being life+[things that aren't life]. They're wrong ;), but that may be why.
Yeah, I'm not really sure how the term became used in the PoE community as it has been, but that would make sense.
The changes to evasion and the new difficulty at capping it have made the Arrow Dancing keystone a considerably more viable option than it used to be on non raider ranged characters, I've been able to get 95% caps on really low investment evasion characters against projectiles considering it affects chance to evade rather than evasion rating as opposed to something like Wind Dancer.
Arrow Dancing is a pretty neat keystone, and one that probably doesn't get taken often enough. I wonder if we'll see increased usage this league because of the buffs to bow characters. This keystone is clearly designed to be used with ranged characters, so it did just get an indirect buff.
I was just thinking about going down the rabbit hole on this topic as I plan for next season. Thank you so much for your contribution to the community!
I'm glad you find it a useful contribution. Cheers.
chance to get laid while watching this video is exponential but i watched it anyway. lol ty
Haha, quite the sacrifice. Thanks for watching.
content and delivery topo notch, you deserve a lot more subs and views, i subscribed, keep it goin'!
Just a question since im "new" can we consider block part of the defensive layer against spells? Block should block spells right?
Thanks for the kind words. I probably need to make content more consistently for all that, but I'm glad some folks find it useful.
By the way, are you from Italy, by chance? Your name sounds Italian. I happen to be on vacation in Italy; I'm in a rural part of the Umbria region.
Either way, thanks again. Ciao.
@@CowPimp heyyy ciaoo :), si! im italian, notably from marche region!
@@federicocapriotti2180 Cool! I've never been to that region, but have been to San Marino and Assisi somewhat nearby.
To your original question, block does not work against spells. There is a separate spell block stat which is completely unrelated (except that some passives provide a bit of both), unless you take the Versatile Combatant keystone and convert some block chance into spell block chance.
is it worth going from 4.7k life @ 30k ehp, to 3.7k life @ 100k ehp?
It is, but only if that's somehow universal. You don't mention eHP with respect to what damage type/source? For example, it's probably not worth the change if that's only for physical damage, but meanwhile you die more easily to elemental and chaos damage.
Hi Cowpimp
Just a question with regards to "avoid" damage, if I get 75% chance to avoid damage from hits by scaling elusive effect
1) Does Avoid work like block ? a total random or Does it work like evade or dodge?
2) From Poe wiki "avoidance" section, it say avoid happened if block failed, however from poe wiki "receiving damage" section, using example of Glitterdisc shield, avoid is placed higher than block.
So which is correct?
Avoid is random.
I think they are using "avoidance" as a more general term that refers to some kind of chance based mitigation, as opposed to something like resistances which are not chance based. Avoid takes place before block, but you could still block a hit that you avoid I'm pretty sure. It just wouldn't matter because you take 0 damage either way (but still might be relevant if you have any on block effects).
I went and looked at the page to see what you mean. Now I'm not so sure. I guess the question is why does it matter? I think in most situations the order in which those things occur is irrelevant.
@@CowPimp Thank you for the reply, one last question, if I to combo with Avoid(75%), Spell Dodge (75%), and block (75%), 3 of them being random ,would that lower the chance of taking damage to 0%?
@@edwinsim6024 Spell dodge and block don't work against the same damage sources. Block only works against attacks and spell dodge only works against spells, unless you're talking about spell block.
In the case you present, the chance of a spell or attack dealing damage to you is .25*.25, which is 6.25% (which is 93.75% to prevent the damage). If you meant to say spell block, then you multiply .25*.25*.25, which is a 1.56% chance a spell deals damage to you (or 98.44% chance to prevent all the damage of an incoming spell).
Thank you for detailed explanation
You're very welcome!
How would elusive buff affect the evasion effectiveness? Obviously it's hard to calculate with the constant decaying plus different sources of it, but, as I understand it, the function will become tighter to 0 as the buff is applied and decay to normal afterwards.
I am curious about this cause I want to see how much practical evade chance can be stacked with the minimal evasion investment due to using Hollow Palm technique. Dread banner, blind, Arrow Dancing and Elusive seem like a good start but I wonder if I am missing something.
Thanks for the video, it helped me a lot!
Elusive has no effect on evasion, and vice versa. They are completely separate multipliers. 50% evade chance will double your eHP against strings of attacks whether you have 15% chance to avoid damage or 0%. Dread banner and blind will definitely help though. You absolutely need +% chance to evade and/or more chance to evade from Raider to get the most out of a minimal investment into actual evasion rating though.
Spell Block is gone? 18:00
Maybe I didn't make it clear, but that table is just an example. It doesn't have a complete list of possible defensive layers.
@@CowPimp Sorry, ye. You covered it later. I was worried if I missed it in the patch notes last league.
@@FyneappleJuice No worries at all! Hopefully I didn't confuse anyone by not specifying that was an example as obviously as I should. Thanks for watching.
I may have missed it, but I don't think you've talked about petrified blood (could have been a point in leech when talking about overleech, or it could have its own section too)
You are correct. I avoided this discussion because I felt like it would require too much time to thoroughly explore. I actually discovered a pretty in depth guide from the same content creator who created the leech guide I linked. Perhaps I should link it in the description. Thanks for watching.
Really informative man a cool follow up would be taking some examples of strong defensive layer combos like armour and transcendent etc.
Yeah, I just haven't really had time for putting out the type of content I like recently, but it's a great idea. I have a couple of things partially done that I may eventually finish, but this is another good idea that actually fits well with something I had in mind anyway. Thanks for the feedback and suggestion. Cheers!
Great Video, helps a lot! Thank you for this!
Glad it was useful. Cheers.
I dont know what your real life occupation is but im convinced you are a beast at it ! Your that type of guy that if you said " just trust me on this", I simply would without any doubts lol
Haha, thanks for that. If you're curious, I was a personal training for a very long time. I made a career switch a couple of years ago and now work in IT. Initially, I mostly did tech support, but have transitioned to doing more engineering work and some admin stuff too. Cheers.
@@CowPimp I was actually lol. Well, engieering work definitly fits the persona i'd say :). You have a very structured and clear manner of explaining things. If you ever get the opportuny at work of being part of a mentor program you would be an S tier candidate. Cheers !
I made a reddit post recently asking if more evasion, specifically, any amount beyond 95% chance to evade (watcher's eye or not) had the same effect as armour where more armour actually helps against bigger hits. The discussion boiled down to whether or not monsters' hit chance can ever get below 5%. The rationale was that 'monster chance to hit' is the calculation you presented which factors in accuracy and my evasion rating. Astronomical amounts of evasion would mean astronomically low monster chance to hit and therefore more than 95% chance to evade. Essentially getting hit less than once every 20 hits, which, in turn, means getting a monster's chance to hit less than 5%.
Are you aware if there is such a hard cap or is my thinking flawed altogether?
Also, thanks for these videos, super helpful
Evasion is hard capped at 95%. There is no way to increase it beyond that point.
Also, evasion has no interaction with the size of the incoming hit. It either completely prevents the damage, or it doesn't, and that's entirely dependent on a successful evasion roll.
Bottom line: any investment you make beyond that which gets you to a 95% chance to evade is completely wasted. The only exception would be for maps where evasion rating is lowered by the map mod, or if the enemy has an increased accuracy mod, and thus you would need a higher evasion rating to be capped against them.
@@CowPimp Makes perfect sense. Thank you!
Thank you for such a comprehensive and useful video. Extra thanks for finally making leech scaling click in my brain; I've watched/read multiple explanations of leech mechanics, but this is the first time I finally had an "Ah ha!" moment and got it. Cheers!
Leech is definitely confusing in this game. I'm glad it helped. Cheers.