Tigercat is *that guy* when it comes to heavy equipment. Years ago when my family was still logging, I was told we owned more Tigercat equipment than anyone in North America (early 2000s). Don't know if that was true but we had.. 50-60 pieces? We were invited to tour the factory in Brantford and were taken to dinner by the owner and CEO and their wives. The next day we were shown the sights in Toronto and taken to Niagara Falls. Great memories of that trip. Edit: We're from south Georgia
At 0:48 “hey look, it sounds just like a Chevy Silverado inside.” Nothing drives me crazy like plastic panels squeaking and rattling around as you drive over any surface that isn’t a pool table. 😆
More sustainable long term too. Steel might not be the most clean thing to mine and process at first, but the tigercat can be reccylced far more efficiently then the other dozer and get a lot more life out of its material
In many things you get what you pay for. Even if the upfront cost of the lower quality machine is less, if you spend 2 or 3 times more on repairing that machine within a given time period you quickly will realize you ended up paying more for less
The plastic bits require molds made so up front cost is higher but per unit cost is lower. So the break even depends upon quantity made for the manufacturer. The end consumer has different math, cost of equipment divided by years of expected service life. Are you having to buy a new one every 20 years or every 5?
The main cost factor for me would be as a consumer. If I was a small operation, buy once cry once. If I was build highways and needed 20 dozers for 5 year and then they go to auction. Give me the cheapest that will get the job done
for annyone caring about the specs of the two Tigercat TCi 920 vs Dosan DD100 TCi 920: Power 101kW (135hp) Weight 15800 kg Length 4930 mm Bladewidth 3175 mm / 3 355 mm / 3 685 mm Track Guage 2010 mm Track Shoe 560 mm / 600 mm / 760 mm DD100: Power 86kW (115.3hp) Weight 10700 kg Length 4739 mm Bladewidth 2710 mm (XL Blade) 3220 mm (LGP Blade) Track Guage 1890 mm Track Shoe 510 mm (XL) 700 mm (LGP)
Moving dirt/building landings in the BC interior? Tigercat all day. Working on Muskeg in Alberta? Doosan. Each has their place; you will be buying the Doosan more frequently though.
@Edison Motors Those are limb risers (or sweeps) not ROPS, the curbed bars from the front of the hood to the cab. Mostly on forestry more than plain construction machines they keep the limbs from tearing off the intakes, exhaust, busting any windows and keeping the operator safe (think open cab machines). I realize the tigercat doesn't have the intake or exhaust like CAT and Deere exiting through the hood, so these are more for cab, operator and window protection. I'd bet money that doosan has ROPS they are just built into the cab. With that being said i wouldn't want to trust doosan's ROPS because everything else looks so flimsy. Tiger cat's stuff is neat! As a former logger, I'd like to try it to the comparable Deere and Cat stuff. Cool video man!
Totally agree with you, but that’s comparing apples to oranges. The tiger cat is a purpose built forestry machine and the doosan is a grading machine made landscapers looking for a cheap dozer. In my opinion obviously. Doosan isn’t synonymous with quality. Anyways, love that your pointing that stuff out and great videos!
Tigercat is the best quality forestry machine out there hands down. Too soon to say how the dozer will hold up but there bunchers and tree harvesters have unmatched quality. Just my opinion😊
that or both machines were at the same Kamloops trade show as the Edison guy. it isnt like he flew to Korea to look at the Doosan they brought it to logging country
i would have to agree with Chance on this one, the Tiger Cat is the better of the two machines, especially if you a purchasing and not leasing the equipment.
Down here in iowa i think that CAT is still king, i do know of a couple komatsu's and john deeres though. Never have seen a new dresser that i can recall.
I have the same issue with pick-up trucks. I want one to work in and out of. New ones are plastic with an aluminum body. What happened to real work trucks? I didn't want a car with a bed. This is why i like what you are doing with the Edison truck.
Could you please indicate prices too? Because now it sounds more like: yep, Prius looks and feels cheap, so you definitely should go with BMW 7-series or maybe Maybach
I love tigercat! All their shit comes to the factory on custom hardwood skids that they so graciously leave out by the road for people to take. Who doesn't like free hardwood?
Well if you're letting an uneducated "beancounter" go to the shows (because it's a paid vacation if you ONLY travel once a year) and he's selecting what to buy based on a "value proposition" that HE DOESN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND, he's gonna pick the one that looks / costs more like what he's used to ... cars. But cars have an "aesthetic" component that really doesn't need to be there except ... people. Dozers shouldn't have an "aesthetic" component. I've actually seen this in fleet management in my career (not heavy equipment, day cabs - but I'll bet it's the same).
Honestly I hate the "clean" look of an all snap-together plastic interior. It looks flimsy, it looks cheap, and it does not look like something I want anything to do with. Exposed nuts and bolts look fine, can be made to look good, make it easier to service, and are orders of magnitude stronger than plastic clips.
The plastic panels will snap off the fittings when you have to repair something behind them and it's cold outside, guaranteed. Let's in dust and moisture behind it to the electronics then. Bolt on is better, but more expensive. With it though, imo
A machine is a machine is a machine BUT it's WHO SITS IN THE SEAT is what determines how long it lasts and what's left of it. One machine might be heavier built but in the wrong hands will last NO time while the lighter one may last years. You can yap machine brands but it's ALWAYS the operator that writes the final chapter!
Okay but with the Doosan, I can almost guarantee you can get most everything needed to rebuild it within a day or 2. You, me and everyone else knows you can’t say the same for Tiger cat. Atleast here in the states. Frostbackistan might be a different story. And that’s not to say Tigercat isn’t the better machine but parts availability and service is king in the heavy equipment industry
if there were a car on the market built as "crude" as that tigercat i would probably pay a premium for it and the parts would probably still be cheaper.
Both have ROPS and both have plastic panels. Edit, is TCI 920 really a ROPS cab? Looked at their website and didn't see it mentioned, perhaps I just missed it?
Yeah! lets ignore important stuff and complain about a bunch of plastic! i can only agree with you if the doosan dozer is way more expensive than the tigercat.
@@bobsmith5088 It is horses for courses. It's like taking a bicycle on the highway and complain that the 0-60 is a bit crap and you can't keep up with traffic.
You are comparing a Dooson to a Tigercat. They are not on the same level. Dooson, Hyundai, sany, kobelco all are throw away machines and cost 50% of a quality machine like cat, john deere or Tigercat
And it looks like it will last twice as long, at least, and cost half as much to maintain over that time. Maybe the douchebag (oops, autocorrect) Doosan would make sense if you could lease it and turn it in as a beat up pile a crap at the end of 2 years. 😂
of course not: Tigercat TCi 920 vs Dosan DD100 TCi 920: Power 101kW (135hp) Weight 15800 kg Length 4930 mm Bladewidth 3175 mm / 3 355 mm / 3 685 mm Track Guage 2010 mm Track Shoe 560 mm / 600 mm / 760 mm DD100: Power 86kW (115.3hp) Weight 10700 kg Length 4739 mm Bladewidth 2710 mm (XL Blade) 3220 mm (LGP Blade) Track Guage 1890 mm Track Shoe 510 mm (XL) 700 mm (LGP)
@@isaackvasager9957 I am not sure, but he may be implying that we as consumer "vote" with our dollars each and every day. By making wise choices with our money, we are effectively influencing the products available and how they are made, albeit to a small degree.
@@sportsman1776 nah, he 100% blames politicians. It's a brain disease for most of the "macho" truck crowd. Anything they don't like is because of woke politicians.
@@isaackvasager9957 .....No Isaac, I mean vote according to substance, not facade, reliability, not brief satisfaction etc etc.... Canada is currently under the sway of a truly pathetic statesman, which is generally the result of stupid people casting their ballot for reasons of aesthetics and self indulgent emotional expression. Edison Motors ™ are describing a viewpoint in their description of these machines, that if expressed in a voting booth, may actually cause nations to run as designed, even with the greatest political tragedy to befall western democracy, which is universal suffrage.
You know you're not even comparing apples to Apple's. You went From a rather large dozer built by tiger chat and compared it to small Mini dozer than my skid loader could probably outdo made by Doosan. I'll be if you get a compare stuff make sure it's the same series of dozers the same horsepower you know all the same specs and then compare the equipment. But when you're comparing a full on dozer that's made to get out there looks like I have a forestry package a little bit and then you compare it to a little mob and pop talk a toy you know of course out of these I'll be if you get a compare stuff make sure it's the same series of dozers the same horsepower you know all the same specs and then compare the equipment. But when you're comparing a full on dozer that's made to get out there and get after it, hell looks like a fully equipped forestry package option on it and you compare it to a little tonka toy home owner size dozer.. well you know of course everything's gonna be different throughout the whole unit.
Tigercat is *that guy* when it comes to heavy equipment. Years ago when my family was still logging, I was told we owned more Tigercat equipment than anyone in North America (early 2000s). Don't know if that was true but we had.. 50-60 pieces? We were invited to tour the factory in Brantford and were taken to dinner by the owner and CEO and their wives. The next day we were shown the sights in Toronto and taken to Niagara Falls. Great memories of that trip.
Edit: We're from south Georgia
Over engineered is a real problem too. Adding cost and weight.
Not everybody needs super tough equipment. Light duty has its place.
I mean if you're going that route might as well get a Kubota lol.
At 0:48 “hey look, it sounds just like a Chevy Silverado inside.” Nothing drives me crazy like plastic panels squeaking and rattling around as you drive over any surface that isn’t a pool table. 😆
I'd rather use the Tiger.😊
More sustainable long term too. Steel might not be the most clean thing to mine and process at first, but the tigercat can be reccylced far more efficiently then the other dozer and get a lot more life out of its material
The Tigercat also had plastic panels if you watch the video, he just didn't show them other than in a low down view.
@@AlexKallcertainly seems to be less total though, also willing to bet it’s a higher quality polymer that could fare better being recycled.
Cost is King. Wonder which one is cheaper? Real question not sarcasm.
In many things you get what you pay for. Even if the upfront cost of the lower quality machine is less, if you spend 2 or 3 times more on repairing that machine within a given time period you quickly will realize you ended up paying more for less
The plastic bits require molds made so up front cost is higher but per unit cost is lower. So the break even depends upon quantity made for the manufacturer. The end consumer has different math, cost of equipment divided by years of expected service life. Are you having to buy a new one every 20 years or every 5?
The main cost factor for me would be as a consumer. If I was a small operation, buy once cry once. If I was build highways and needed 20 dozers for 5 year and then they go to auction. Give me the cheapest that will get the job done
@@DodgeRamCan doosan will definitely be the budget option and will get 80% of the job done
Doosans are cheap. Tigercats are one of the most expensive. At least in forestry equipment.
for annyone caring about the specs of the two
Tigercat TCi 920 vs Dosan DD100
TCi 920:
Power 101kW (135hp)
Weight 15800 kg
Length 4930 mm
Bladewidth 3175 mm / 3 355 mm / 3 685 mm
Track Guage 2010 mm
Track Shoe 560 mm / 600 mm / 760 mm
DD100:
Power 86kW (115.3hp)
Weight 10700 kg
Length 4739 mm
Bladewidth 2710 mm (XL Blade) 3220 mm (LGP Blade)
Track Guage 1890 mm
Track Shoe 510 mm (XL) 700 mm (LGP)
Moving dirt/building landings in the BC interior? Tigercat all day.
Working on Muskeg in Alberta? Doosan.
Each has their place; you will be buying the Doosan more frequently though.
Man, that plastic must really cut back on weight. 5100kg difference
Cost per unti?
@@crinkly.love-stick smaller engine, smaller blade, smaller tracks
I’m pretty sure these two machines are in different classes, and are not really comparable.
Sweeps aren't ROPS.
@Edison Motors Those are limb risers (or sweeps) not ROPS, the curbed bars from the front of the hood to the cab. Mostly on forestry more than plain construction machines they keep the limbs from tearing off the intakes, exhaust, busting any windows and keeping the operator safe (think open cab machines). I realize the tigercat doesn't have the intake or exhaust like CAT and Deere exiting through the hood, so these are more for cab, operator and window protection. I'd bet money that doosan has ROPS they are just built into the cab. With that being said i wouldn't want to trust doosan's ROPS because everything else looks so flimsy. Tiger cat's stuff is neat! As a former logger, I'd like to try it to the comparable Deere and Cat stuff. Cool video man!
Doosan cab is certified as ROPS, can't find anything on the Tigercat info I looked through.
Hey, utilitarian is its own kind of look, and to me (and likely many others) it can be a good look, a really good look. Canadian-made all the way!
Totally agree with you, but that’s comparing apples to oranges. The tiger cat is a purpose built forestry machine and the doosan is a grading machine made landscapers looking for a cheap dozer. In my opinion obviously. Doosan isn’t synonymous with quality. Anyways, love that your pointing that stuff out and great videos!
Tigercat is the best quality forestry machine out there hands down. Too soon to say how the dozer will hold up but there bunchers and tree harvesters have unmatched quality. Just my opinion😊
Forestry vs construction is like work boots vs hunting boots.
This strikes me as an argument looking for a cause.
that or both machines were at the same Kamloops trade show as the Edison guy. it isnt like he flew to Korea to look at the Doosan they brought it to logging country
Exactly!!!
i would have to agree with Chance on this one, the Tiger Cat is the better of the two machines, especially if you a purchasing and not leasing the equipment.
Down here in iowa i think that CAT is still king, i do know of a couple komatsu's and john deeres though. Never have seen a new dresser that i can recall.
I have the same issue with pick-up trucks. I want one to work in and out of. New ones are plastic with an aluminum body. What happened to real work trucks? I didn't want a car with a bed. This is why i like what you are doing with the Edison truck.
Logging services equipment. Great mate
Switched from Deere to tigercat in 2014. The steel is the best part, they’ll show you how they build the machine but nothing else
What you mean? but nothing else?
I'm sure even Canadian farts smell like roses 😅
Could you please indicate prices too? Because now it sounds more like: yep, Prius looks and feels cheap, so you definitely should go with BMW 7-series or maybe Maybach
First time I've seen a Tigercat dozer
Tigercat...I'm sold.
Price point. Disposable dozer compared to a Cadillac dozer with all the bells and whistles. You get what you pay for....
Well Tigercat is the best in the industry, so it's gonna be an uphill battle for anyone, even cat.
Youre pretty much comparing a mini Cooper to a f350 both automobiles the same as these are both dozers, made for totally different applications
I love tigercat! All their shit comes to the factory on custom hardwood skids that they so graciously leave out by the road for people to take. Who doesn't like free hardwood?
Well if you're letting an uneducated "beancounter" go to the shows (because it's a paid vacation if you ONLY travel once a year) and he's selecting what to buy based on a "value proposition" that HE DOESN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND, he's gonna pick the one that looks / costs more like what he's used to ... cars. But cars have an "aesthetic" component that really doesn't need to be there except ... people. Dozers shouldn't have an "aesthetic" component. I've actually seen this in fleet management in my career (not heavy equipment, day cabs - but I'll bet it's the same).
Honestly I hate the "clean" look of an all snap-together plastic interior. It looks flimsy, it looks cheap, and it does not look like something I want anything to do with. Exposed nuts and bolts look fine, can be made to look good, make it easier to service, and are orders of magnitude stronger than plastic clips.
I operate a 635 b Tigercat.
1:34 Crude? NAH. Looks tough AF.
Guy sounds like Canadian Daniel tosh
That Doosan looks like it would rattle itself apart just getting hauled to a forestry landing lol
The plastic panels will snap off the fittings when you have to repair something behind them and it's cold outside, guaranteed. Let's in dust and moisture behind it to the electronics then. Bolt on is better, but more expensive. With it though, imo
Next you should compare a Bentley to a Kia 🙄🙄
Tigercat dozer is 220!! I know I'm in logging we buy all their equipment..Doosan is definitely cheaper
function over form looks way better IMO
A machine is a machine is a machine BUT it's WHO SITS IN THE SEAT is what determines how long it lasts and what's left of it. One machine might be heavier built but in the wrong hands will last NO time while the lighter one may last years. You can yap machine brands but it's ALWAYS the operator that writes the final chapter!
Okay but with the Doosan, I can almost guarantee you can get most everything needed to rebuild it within a day or 2. You, me and everyone else knows you can’t say the same for Tiger cat. Atleast here in the states. Frostbackistan might be a different story. And that’s not to say Tigercat isn’t the better machine but parts availability and service is king in the heavy equipment industry
Two different dozers for two different jobs.
Doosan has a new name now its gonna be Develon now
if there were a car on the market built as "crude" as that tigercat i would probably pay a premium for it and the parts would probably still be cheaper.
HELL YEAH TIGERCAT.
Cost down profits up
Both have ROPS and both have plastic panels.
Edit, is TCI 920 really a ROPS cab? Looked at their website and didn't see it mentioned, perhaps I just missed it?
You’re not comparing apples to apples dude
What was the price difference between the two?
if you ever get a chance and see one do a video on a jaraffe
What language is this guy speaking?
Was that grease zerks on the engine cover hinges i saw?
I dont know any Americans that use doosan dozers
How much for a 920?
I find these videos strange. Your basically comparing two things that are different and implying one is better?
Yeah! lets ignore important stuff and complain about a bunch of plastic! i can only agree with you if the doosan dozer is way more expensive than the tigercat.
Maybe you should take the chance to listen to an expert what IS the important stuff.
@@bobsmith5088 It is horses for courses. It's like taking a bicycle on the highway and complain that the 0-60 is a bit crap and you can't keep up with traffic.
You are comparing a Dooson to a Tigercat. They are not on the same level. Dooson, Hyundai, sany, kobelco all are throw away machines and cost 50% of a quality machine like cat, john deere or Tigercat
Tigercat makes nice stuff but you buy a 620 better buy a 630 to pull it out tiger crap is heavy
Tigercat is twice the price
And it looks like it will last twice as long, at least, and cost half as much to maintain over that time. Maybe the douchebag (oops, autocorrect) Doosan would make sense if you could lease it and turn it in as a beat up pile a crap at the end of 2 years. 😂
@@bastarddoggy Higly depends on the circumstance. Depending on how high the interest is, and so on.
Same Rating ?
of course not:
Tigercat TCi 920 vs Dosan DD100
TCi 920:
Power 101kW (135hp)
Weight 15800 kg
Length 4930 mm
Bladewidth 3175 mm / 3 355 mm / 3 685 mm
Track Guage 2010 mm
Track Shoe 560 mm / 600 mm / 760 mm
DD100:
Power 86kW (115.3hp)
Weight 10700 kg
Length 4739 mm
Bladewidth 2710 mm (XL Blade) 3220 mm (LGP Blade)
Track Guage 1890 mm
Track Shoe 510 mm (XL) 700 mm (LGP)
Price difference? Pointless video.
…..Vote accordingly.
You think politicians dictate whether plastic or metal is used inside the cab of a dozer? You, my friend, spend to much time on Twitter.
@@isaackvasager9957 I am not sure, but he may be implying that we as consumer "vote" with our dollars each and every day. By making wise choices with our money, we are effectively influencing the products available and how they are made, albeit to a small degree.
@@sportsman1776 nah, he 100% blames politicians. It's a brain disease for most of the "macho" truck crowd. Anything they don't like is because of woke politicians.
@@isaackvasager9957 .....No Isaac, I mean vote according to substance, not facade, reliability, not brief satisfaction etc etc.... Canada is currently under the sway of a truly pathetic statesman, which is generally the result of stupid people casting their ballot for reasons of aesthetics and self indulgent emotional expression.
Edison Motors ™ are describing a viewpoint in their description of these machines, that if expressed in a voting booth, may actually cause nations to run as designed, even with the greatest political tragedy to befall western democracy, which is universal suffrage.
canada is best unlike us
Taiwan number 1
your country is number 1 in some ways but canadas in first for farming grains
You know you're not even comparing apples to Apple's. You went From a rather large dozer built by tiger chat and compared it to small Mini dozer than my skid loader could probably outdo made by Doosan. I'll be if you get a compare stuff make sure it's the same series of dozers the same horsepower you know all the same specs and then compare the equipment. But when you're comparing a full on dozer that's made to get out there looks like I have a forestry package a little bit and then you compare it to a little mob and pop talk a toy you know of course out of these I'll be if you get a compare stuff make sure it's the same series of dozers the same horsepower you know all the same specs and then compare the equipment. But when you're comparing a full on dozer that's made to get out there and get after it, hell looks like a fully equipped forestry package option on it and you compare it to a little tonka toy home owner size dozer.. well you know of course everything's gonna be different throughout the whole unit.
What is the cost difference? 🫰