For any clarification, without any official statement we don’t want to dive into detail surrounding controversy because, quite frankly, we didn’t want to gamble getting in trouble for “defamation” or any of the like. It’s obvious the controversy is more than just “accusations” but you never know how things could be spun. We are not sympathizing or giving any passes, but appreciate any messages of those concerned we’d come off looking that way. Thank you for your time!
The Roundtable it’s not defamation to report on facts. You guys should go into the allegations. You’re a big channel, and this stuff needs to be talked about. There’s only small channels talking about Vickerman, and it needs to be more talked about. It’s obvious that the MAIN reason the show got cancelled was cause the allegations resurfaced. Fairly disappointed, guys.
StarCaptain 7733 Now obviously we don’t know if it was the main reason but it certainly was the final nail in the coffin for the show. And for the Roundtable team to simply ignore it and to gloss over it completely is just as wrong as deformation.
StarCaptain 7733 They don’t need to get into it at all. People can find out on there own. This channel isn’t centered around that kind of stuff. Let them be.
The creator was actually a sicko and heck she actually wrote that one scene in the power puff girls reboot and that was the *sighs* the twerking scene...
joseph gover the staff isn’t as controversial and you could argue that it isn’t *as* sexual as openly discussing your sexual love for children. You could just chalk legs up to another stupid joke in a show that makes a mockery of a much better show. Just like how you can put as much feet in a show as you want technically because it isn’t inherently sexual.
The fact that he said "Word of mouth" isn't effective shows he's knows absolutely nothing about advertising. It's literally called the most effective form of advertising by marketing professionals. I speed watching right there.
The thing is that there are a lot of sickos on tumblr, although I think most of them have migrated to Twitter, who think that pedophilia is a lifestyle choice and that it is ok to lust after children.
@@BARALover96 Why didn't they remove her name from the intro? The way her name is presented in the intro puts a lot of focus on her and imo pretty much sealed the fate of the show.
Absolutely agree, even now I always bring up the show to people to watch bc its really relatable coming of age, but I always talk about how the creator is a pedo and we shouldn't take the approach like early animators suchbas John K. I'm glad Julia Vickerman hasn't done much since but these people need to be kept away from the field.
Being created by a pedophile would destroy the credibility of the show entirely. Although she is long since left, the premise of 12 forever is tainted with the perspective of a pedophile. It's basis of puberty and resisting puberty can not be separated from the creators personal fantasy and desire.
@@kaylasilverstein4137How? I always imagined that Reggie would end up staying on Endless forever and eventually forget her old life. Esther and Todd might move on but Reggie seemed like she considered Endless to be her real life.
I doubt it. But in some countries (including the USA) child marriage, pedophilic relationships and child sex slavery are done on a regular and often ignored or allowed through loop holes in the laws. It's heart breaking and makes me sick that it's so easy to get away with it. Thankfully she's been caught
At least it doesn’t end on a cliffhanger. While there’s some thematic and character stuff that feels unresolved, overall it ends on a pretty satisfying note.
"Twelve Forever" was pretty good in my book and it's unfortunate that the show is cancelled. The Season 1 finale seemed to imply that Reggie learned to accept growing up, which would've been interesting to see how that would affect her visiting Endless.
Nemo: it is so sad that this incredible show ended Everyone: wasn't the creator a ped- Nemo: NETFLIX DIDN'T ADVERTISE IT BUT IT WILL FOREVER LIVE ON IN OUR HEARTS Everyone : But like wasn't the title kind of a giveaway? Nemo: I am not at liberty to say anything, we don't know what's going on.
I think they now what she did but just didn't mention it because they want to get ads I still can't believe that the creator of a kids show would be a pedophile it's awfull
honestly im sad twelve forever got the boot it was one my favorite shows , i wanted to see more character arc because reggie was getting so good and just left on a cliffhanger. There was so many creative elements in that show that made it good and im sad that people don't see that
This comment section is making me think he didnt know about Julia being awful at all and I'm 😬 *Edit:* hi i relistened to this and he actually did mention Julia but like. Its not "controversial". She called HERSELF a PEDOPHILE after FOLLOWING AROUND A 14YO BOY FOR AN ENTIRE DAY. On top of that, when someone like her makes a show called TWELVE FOREVER... its kind of hard not to get your show thrown into the "canceled" pit. Its such a disappointment too :(. I heard that people completely unrelated to Julia took over the shows production, and I really love the characters and the message 12f was putting out about growing up (not including pilot). But now it just... feels creepy to watch.
@@crazycrew1284 That doesn't mean the show has pedophilic themes in it, which it clearly doesn't. You can enjoy a show without supporting the unrelated actions of the creator. So yeah, they would still want to watch it.
NarakunoHana100 it’s called twelve forever if she never “grows out” of liking children she would want to be twelve forever / want to be with someone who’s twelve forever
It was originally a single minisode on CN a few years ago, that's how I found it. I wasn't feeling it then ngl. It was then picked up by Netflix and I saw that it was becoming a show. I was shook, I watched a few eps but idk if I want to finish it???
Honestly, I think this was a foregone conclusion from the moment the news about Vickerman came out. Other shows have survived similar situations, but they've had established fan bases already. I feel really bad for the rest of the staff and I would love to see more of the show, but I never expected it to be renewed.
While Reggie aka twelve had moments that made me not like her character due to her inability to accept change and growing up, I liked the character and her friends, and I am disappointed that Twelve Forever won't get another season to explore Reggie and her friends develope as people. Twelve Forever needs more seasons.
Agree 100% Reggie did annoy me sometimes but I ended up loving her as I realized that was the whole point, she was misunderstood and had kind of a rough childhood I'm still in hopes someone else can take the lead on this show and make a season 2 even though it's not gonna be the same, but I really wanna see how the characters keep learning and eventually grow up :c
Ok, the first 2 reasons have NOTHING to do with it getting cancelled. It all has to do with Julia Vickerman being a pedophile, and an extreme one at that with her post about a 14 year old boy and her having created the infamous twerking scene from the Powerpuff Girls reboot (plus she made that shitty character Bliss). Netflix is a huge corporation, but stuff like that can seriously damage their reputation. Cancelling the show is their way of saying they want no part in working with a pedophile, and it basically brushes the dirt from their metaphorical hands. 12 Forever seemed good, but when that kind of person is behind the show, it's bound to lose a huge number of fans and any credibility.
The creator of Twelve Forever blocked me on Twitter for literally saying, 'yikes' (yes, literally just that. nothing else) when they wrote their half-baked apology about her controversy. A show creator blocking me! Kicked that off the bucket list. Though honestly, it's genuinely immature if you block someone for hurting your feelings over one word. I liked the show, not the creator.
@@randomacts1767 I was replying to someone else lmao I don't know why you'd think I was replying to myself when I already explained why I was blocked in my original comment. That doesn't make sense.
@@RaspberryHeart470 i mean even thought chris savino, and skyler page did awful things working on cartoon network but their shows were still going on even yes they didn't lust over kids like julia but still i mean we can hope for the best
So I heard people say “He can’t talk about the pedophilia or anything of the sort because it would trip off the TH-cam censors.” Well you can talk about that touchy subject without adding trigger words. The point of a video like this is to lay down ALL of the facts and to give all possible information available. To just leave out something as big as “The creator OPENLY admitted to wanting physical relations with underage individuals” and to give blatant and major gaps in their own knowledge is.. well it’s wrong and no better then CNN or Fox.
I wish Netflix promoted this show better and the cast should not be dragged down for stuff one person did. She was fired early and the crew still carried on without her and made a good show. I got invested in this show late and it saddens me a lot that I won't get to see Reggie grow and change as person because I find her to be such a relatable character. I just wish we could see these characters have a staisfying conclusion and grow as people as the show progresses
Twelve forever is something I can relate too more than ever. I am currently 13 and and I still kinda refuse to grow up. My sister and my mom kinda think I’m childish but I just can’t move on and grow up.. everyone in my class are normal teenager who want to grow up and I don’t even brush my hair that well every morning. I have anxiety and I’m scared of what’s coming in the future for me.
The scary thing is that abuse at the hands of women is never taken seriously, especially if the targets are male victims of abuse. I worry about how Amazon Prime is going to handle Invincible (cue blood stained title card) and Hazbin Hotel moving forward. If you know, you know.
i really..loved this show i liked it so much. I want them to continue it but with a different studio or a different creator/author, because Julia Vickermans..WAS hella weird, she was posting stuff and specifically liked when she met young boys..we could see by her expressions on the tweet, she even said in one tweet that she saw a mother and his son eating and she had two tickets for a concert or show and she wanted to give it to the kid (because she was a creep and wanted to spend time with the kid/teen) but since the mother was there she just gave it away to them both..she even called the boy her "muse".. she also wanted to talk to the boy but the mother was there so she didnt..in conclusion it was cancelled probably because of Julia Vickermans/the creator of the show for her tweets and posts.
I personally didn't really liked twelve forever. I mean I watch it all, but it just didnt really strike a cord with me. They did bring some good ideas, buuut.... No hate, alright?
lou ruitatsu Right? it appealed so much to what i enjoy in a show but it just idk didn't work. i liked johnny test as a kid and i still do you would think a show like this would be prefect for me. i didn't even make it though the first episode. idk i feel bad now not giving this show a second chance. i'm going go binge the show now see if it gets better maybe i can change my opinion to something more positive.
@@ben_dover97 I mean, it gets annoying really fast to see reggie act like a total ass to her friends when shit dont go her way, or the idea of never growing up cuz i wanna stay a kid forever, was getting old, so you go to a magical island to never age. And where have we seen that before?(hint: Peter pan and neverland)
This video is dumb Julia vickerman didnt just have "some controversy" like how are you ab to downplay that topic or tip toe around it like??? Idk that shit just bothers me real good
TH-camrs that want to keep monetization cannot use certain words/phrases or else they'll get demonitized. Everyone within the Cartoon Community knows of the situation (especially since they tweeted about it) but can't outright say it if they want to get paid.
@@Tatodragon yall ain't got to tell me I already know ab monetization, but there are ways to at least elude or hint to the to issue at hand in a more direct way and in a brand friendly manner so .... ??? I still think it could've been discreetly addressed without rocking the boat of monetization 🤷♂️🤷♂️
There is a tumblr post from the creator basically saying that she was attracted to a 14 year old boy and her following the boy all around the place that they were and how she so badly wanted to go talk to the boy and she wrote and I quote "if only his mom wasn't there"
It has literally nothing to do with the creator's actions tho, it's a completely different concept, as in Peter Pan and Neverland, not wanting to grow into the responsibilities of adulthood
@@john.harrison I guess it does sound inevitably creepy afterwards :c But I like to think that the whole creator's life doesn't revolve around being a pedophile Like, it's a sick side of her mind, yes, but that's doesn't mean she's thinking about it every second of every day Maybe she genuinely liked the concept of not wanting to grow into adulthood (cause responsabilities suck) and chose the perfect age and title to fit that concept Cause the show wouldn't have worked the same way with some other age than pre-teens, at least that's how I see it
I absolutely love Twelve Forever. I've rewatched it 3 times now and it is just the show for me. I'm so freaking sad that is got cancelled and confused why Netflix didn't say anything about it... I will definitely be showing this show to my kids one day
I think the reason was the freaking fact that she was talking about really creepy stuff about kids. the creator is the force of the show and if that force is controversial in a bad way then better to cut the losses
I hate to be rude, but the main problem is the creator. With everything around her and the things she has said Netflix probably doesn’t want to be affiliated with her
Me and my sibling are really obsessed with Matt Berry and we found this show from him, when I was just about to turn 12 we starting watching this, it actually kinda helped me with growing up especially since Reggie’s personality is like mine.
I too wish you didn’t dance around the pedophilia debate. If we are going to say John k was a creep we need to call out female pedos also. Plus it is reported she sexually harassed men and women on the animation staff. Let’s not sugarcoat bad behavior. It was a good show though.
I saw the pilot for Twelve Forever years and years ago when CN had a bunch of pilots out on youtube. It was released in a cluster with the SU Pilot, Infinity Train, and OK KO. I was sad to have heard nothing about it until someone in a discord posted about it showing up on Netflix the night before release. Season 1 delivered. I loved it instantly. I rewatch the show every few months for comfort. I'm really sad that now that I'm looking for updates about it, it's cancelled.
I would much rather trade all of Bigmouth for this show to continue for this shows fans (I'm NOT a fan). Just scrub Julia Vickerman's name from the entire series. Even cut it from season 1.
I’m so sad about this! I love Twelve Forever. It is one of the best cartoons I’ve ever watched and it’s unfair that they canceled it. No matter what happens the show will always live on in my heart. 💗
I remember the pilot having a different name, and never once hearing of the series getting picked up, let alone by netflix and actually coming out. It wasn’t even in my recommendations under animation. I put a lot of blame on the creator controversy too, but man there was no push or marketing whatsoever.
ClarionStorm can you just fuck off? Everyone are entitled to their own opinions. He didn’t like the show? So what. It gives you ZERO rights to attack him. I don’t like the show either and don’t care much for it being cancelled or not, does that suddenly mean I deserve to get hated? Like what the fuck. You out here calling others cringy, when you are so damn cringy for literally throwing hate at someone JUST because they don’t like you favorite show. Wow.
I didn’t care for this show really. I loves the voice actor they had for the butt witch for sure. I even liked that “doctor”character. The main characters designs turned me off though, BUT the drama was really good. I found myself just selecting the core episodes with the character development and would fast forward most of the “endless” scenes lol
Oh come on, I'm really sad I loved twelve forever and was actually excited for season two as theres a lot I connect too. But no another show drifting away, hope one day I'll see season 2
Damn.. I remember watching this show when it was just released and thought it was ok. Appreciated the LGBTQ+ representation, and the tackling of serious issues that affect children (growing up with a single parent, abandonment, outgrowing longtime friends, trauma, etc) but I felt that the show gave off a older kid/teenager vibe more than Y-7 audience it was targeted to, a little too ~out there~ imo. With the disgusting past of the creator and the harassment that went on behind the scenes, Im relieved that Twelve will not continue and respect the crew and show runner’s decision to cut it loose. I can never look at the show the same knowing that a literal child predator was behind it at one point. 🤮 Even though she was fired early on in production. I hope Julia is blacklisted from animation community for good. 😷
Just wanna put this here, but apparently because of the controversy surrounding Julia Vickerman, Netflix will be completely removing Twelve Forever from its site.
Silvitrine It’s a shame, but with a show literally called Twelve Forever being associated with a pedophile, there’s not much you can salvage. Luckily people can download it and put it up elsewhere, so hey, not a total loss for people who like the show.
First of all, Big Mouth is a hilarious. Second, how are you gonna compare the advertisement of a show like Stranger Things to a KIDS CARTOON like Twelve Forever? Cartoons are already underrated as it is but kids cartoons are a whole other thing to tackle. They never get advertised like that. You cannot expect something like Twelve Forever to get on a billboard.
'And its current on' yeah you said current while i don't want to be a downer but Netflix can remove this show if they wanted to they have done it and it dose then that's it bye bye 12 forever
12 forever was pretty good but if a show has someone like Julia as the creator, it’s completely reasonable and should be expected for it to get shut down.
Ok I couldn’t hear at all - I was saving up for hearing aids and my little bro loved this show - I was confused when I heard butt witches voice - OH GOD
I really wish i enjoyed the show. It was one of the most repetitive shows i have ever seen. I don't feel like it added anything new that has not already been done. I watched it on your recommendation, the entire season... it was fine n
saying Netflix screw up cus you want to watch a show when you know it's creator is a pedo kinda doesn't make you look go nor your point. That's like saying you love Rose and her choices when you fully know how much of a shitty gem she is
i’ve watched the 12 forever for the past three years and I’ve been waiting for 3 years for season two to come out and as soon as I saw this video last year, I literally was crying I was in my room crying my heart out and re-watching it until I stopped crying but ever since then every time I hear somebody talking about 12 forever, I will literallystart crying
Moral Of The Story: Never Work with A Pedophile without little protection Not Sexual but Physical in case for you Know attempt something I am not going further.
This doesn’t hurt me as much as the time I heard Rorouni Kenshin was made by a pedophile, too. I never really watched that much of Twelve Forever but it did seem interesting. This is just sad
They say one should separate the work from the creator...But even before I found out I had a feeling there was something not right with the creator making this....At least Rurouni Kenshin you couldn't tell how sick in the head it's creator was
We need a season two for 12 forever. I can’t believe it got canceled. We need a season two we can just have 25 episodes I’m gonna make a Lego set and post it on ideas because I really want to see season two and I want to see the witch again. We should probably get a season two we need a season two
For any clarification, without any official statement we don’t want to dive into detail surrounding controversy because, quite frankly, we didn’t want to gamble getting in trouble for “defamation” or any of the like. It’s obvious the controversy is more than just “accusations” but you never know how things could be spun. We are not sympathizing or giving any passes, but appreciate any messages of those concerned we’d come off looking that way. Thank you for your time!
@@mariclau05 fake fan
The Roundtable my little sister favorite show of course it get canceled ugh she is going to cry
The Roundtable it’s not defamation to report on facts. You guys should go into the allegations. You’re a big channel, and this stuff needs to be talked about. There’s only small channels talking about Vickerman, and it needs to be more talked about. It’s obvious that the MAIN reason the show got cancelled was cause the allegations resurfaced. Fairly disappointed, guys.
StarCaptain 7733
Now obviously we don’t know if it was the main reason but it certainly was the final nail in the coffin for the show. And for the Roundtable team to simply ignore it and to gloss over it completely is just as wrong as deformation.
StarCaptain 7733 They don’t need to get into it at all. People can find out on there own. This channel isn’t centered around that kind of stuff. Let them be.
The creator was actually a sicko and heck she actually wrote that one scene in the power puff girls reboot and that was the *sighs* the twerking scene...
Well that explains why that was in there. I bet if anyone else was writing that episode they wouldn’t of bothered with it.
Disgusting
Why can't teen titans go get cancelled' they did an episode that involved LEGS' Hell they did that twice.
@@josephgover5072 and shamed Sailor Moon transformations.
joseph gover the staff isn’t as controversial and you could argue that it isn’t *as* sexual as openly discussing your sexual love for children. You could just chalk legs up to another stupid joke in a show that makes a mockery of a much better show. Just like how you can put as much feet in a show as you want technically because it isn’t inherently sexual.
Is...isn't that that show whose creator is a pedo? Incriminating tweets and all that.. i mean.. that'd kill any show.
Yeah. She made a post talking bout a 14 year old. Around the same time she was in her 20s
Didn’t kill Gunn
@@danimaticsketch2180 hoooooo boy.
She got fired pretty early on, like right when netflix picked it up
@@fayev1360 oh? i had heard she was like the show runner or primary creator or something.
Retro: I’m blaming this 99% on Netflix, they do bad advertise and the show suffers.
99% of comments: Imma guess it’s because she likes kids.
lol think they missed why it was cancelled cause its clearly the blame is not on Netflix
Kaitlin Templar I mean since when does Netflix advertise anything well?
@@WRPBullet very true only see things from others on youtube when new shows come to Netflix never from them
Kaitlin Templar
Yeah Netflix has always sorta been a word of mouth kinda business
The fact that he said "Word of mouth" isn't effective shows he's knows absolutely nothing about advertising. It's literally called the most effective form of advertising by marketing professionals. I speed watching right there.
Maybe the creator thinks she's 12 forever and thats why she openly tries to fiddle kids.
LMAO
ayyyyyy svtfoe (ur profile picture)
This.
I WHEEZED
@@redadabloom-rdb4575 does that stand for star vs the forces of evil
I hate that they're not able to talk about the MAIN reason this show got cancelled because they video would get demonetized.
Very controversial is a wild way of saying a straight up pedophile
The thing is that there are a lot of sickos on tumblr, although I think most of them have migrated to Twitter, who think that pedophilia is a lifestyle choice and that it is ok to lust after children.
No he is just trying not to get smited by TH-cam because TH-cam is a crappy platform
@@bort3624 he could've said "some pretty dark stuff" and it wouldn't have been a problem either and also actually somewhat acknowledging the problem
Your pfp reminds me of eddsworld lol
@@PickleRicksFATASSCOUSIN yup yup I drew it of me in that art style super big fan of that series
Julia Vickerman , that's the only explanation you need .
Nathaniel Foga yep
Yes
accurate
What's even going on with her? I'm kinda out of the loop.
She didnt even work on the show though, just the original pilot. She was kicked off before the working on the netflix series.
I'd say that most of the damage done and the show cancelation was because of Julia. We can't just tiptoe around what she did and what she is.
Even tho she was fired early on because of sexual assault she still created it so netflix wouldnt want to deal with that.
@@BARALover96 Why didn't they remove her name from the intro? The way her name is presented in the intro puts a lot of focus on her and imo pretty much sealed the fate of the show.
@@Clara_Page tbh they could have replace her with someone else.
Absolutely agree, even now I always bring up the show to people to watch bc its really relatable coming of age, but I always talk about how the creator is a pedo and we shouldn't take the approach like early animators suchbas John K. I'm glad Julia Vickerman hasn't done much since but these people need to be kept away from the field.
@@evelynjolly9375 that would be nice
Being created by a pedophile would destroy the credibility of the show entirely. Although she is long since left, the premise of 12 forever is tainted with the perspective of a pedophile. It's basis of puberty and resisting puberty can not be separated from the creators personal fantasy and desire.
Shame. I would have liked to see Reggie's growth and if she finally would have been able to move on from Endless at some point. =(
MarcMarioMaster we know she did:)
Would they have subverted that trope too, and let her come back sometimes?
@@kaylasilverstein4137How? I always imagined that Reggie would end up staying on Endless forever and eventually forget her old life. Esther and Todd might move on but Reggie seemed like she considered Endless to be her real life.
What kills it for me is the fact that 12 forever had potential and a plot following season 2
Ikr :"c I genuinely loved the show and was looking forward for a season 2
Julia Vickerman wishes she was "12 FOREVER". So she can avoid jail time.
I mean, do Romeo and Juliet laws apply to 12 year old minors?
I doubt it. But in some countries (including the USA) child marriage, pedophilic relationships and child sex slavery are done on a regular and often ignored or allowed through loop holes in the laws.
It's heart breaking and makes me sick that it's so easy to get away with it. Thankfully she's been caught
@@mayapilkey6805 Doesn't matter in this case.
It's still horrible. Super horrible she had done that bit its heart breaking to see that they can get away with it so fucking easy
Fuck you😂😂😂 this made me laugh
Honestly as the season went on I got more and more frustrated over Reggie's selfish narcissistic behavior.
At least it doesn’t end on a cliffhanger.
While there’s some thematic and character stuff that feels unresolved, overall it ends on a pretty satisfying note.
It kinda does tho, the ending implies something is happening on Endless, such as a new island being formed or something
Another amazing show with great potential canceled because it’s creator can’t keep their things in their pants
Or to be more accurate, won't stop putting things in her pants.
Hahahaha! I'm laughing because I'm in pain.
Isnt that how 99% of most new shows die now?
weird huh? so many cartoon creators are sickos
@@elijahblechman8633 Is pre-requsit comrade
Brittany Bennett “Couldn’t keep it in her pants” is a phrase for that.
"Twelve Forever" was pretty good in my book and it's unfortunate that the show is cancelled. The Season 1 finale seemed to imply that Reggie learned to accept growing up, which would've been interesting to see how that would affect her visiting Endless.
Ikr!!! I was sooo looking forward to a season 2 now I'm really sad :(
@@melodyacosta5939 I would rather not watch a show called 12 forever when one of the people that works on it is a FUCKING PEDOPHILE
Starmaster7826 who cares
vxrb2x but the show isn’t about pedophiles
I swear if Hilda gets cancelled, I will quit Netflix
Same
I'm still caring for Netflix's upcoming cartoons.
The writer of Gravity Falls isn't a pedo lady attracted to young boys.
Yet 12 Forever getting cancelled isnt Netflix's fault
Same here
Nemo: it is so sad that this incredible show ended
Everyone: wasn't the creator a ped-
Nemo: NETFLIX DIDN'T ADVERTISE IT BUT IT WILL FOREVER LIVE ON IN OUR HEARTS
Everyone : But like wasn't the title kind of a giveaway?
Nemo: I am not at liberty to say anything, we don't know what's going on.
Wow literally forgot to mention the creator was lowkey a predator????? 😑
I think they now what she did but just didn't mention it because they want to get ads I still can't believe that the creator of a kids show would be a pedophile it's awfull
The creator is horrible but the show was good and handled by other people! 😓
The Great MalJabroni rurouni kenshin*
@The Great MalJabroni wait what?
@The Great MalJabroni the voice acting is bad in all languages except French.
They should of gotten another writer
@Gabriel Chisholm Sadly no for many reasons...
I'll just put this in the same "What could've been" slot with Tuca and Bertie.
Awww. I liked Tuca and Birdie
In my opinion, Tuca and Bertie is better than Twelve Forever. Still wish the creator (of TF) wasn't a sleazebag...
As well as Stretch Armstrong and the Flex Fighters. And Carmen Sandiego if they won't renew beyond 20 episodes and an interactive special.
@@megamanm7129 It's a shame.
BTW I actually hate Tuca and Bertie.
@@lenamason3862 That's fine.
To be honest, the show has some decent animation, and the animators who put so much work into it.... Rip
Zephyrin
I know imagine working hours to make the show but then it gets canceled.
They better get a good paycheck
honestly im sad twelve forever got the boot it was one my favorite shows , i wanted to see more character arc because reggie was getting so good and just left on a cliffhanger. There was so many creative elements in that show that made it good and im sad that people don't see that
Right?? Me too, I see a lot of people saying the show "wasn't even good" and here I am loving it and even shed tears on one of the episodes :c
This comment section is making me think he didnt know about Julia being awful at all and I'm 😬
*Edit:* hi i relistened to this and he actually did mention Julia but like. Its not "controversial". She called HERSELF a PEDOPHILE after FOLLOWING AROUND A 14YO BOY FOR AN ENTIRE DAY. On top of that, when someone like her makes a show called TWELVE FOREVER... its kind of hard not to get your show thrown into the "canceled" pit.
Its such a disappointment too :(. I heard that people completely unrelated to Julia took over the shows production, and I really love the characters and the message 12f was putting out about growing up (not including pilot). But now it just... feels creepy to watch.
Reggie is actually going to be twelve forever...
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Please I cant-
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Don’t-
I was interested in watching this show at some point, kinda sad it be cancelled even if I haven't seen it yet.
@@crazycrew1284 That doesn't mean the show has pedophilic themes in it, which it clearly doesn't. You can enjoy a show without supporting the unrelated actions of the creator. So yeah, they would still want to watch it.
NarakunoHana100 it’s called twelve forever if she never “grows out” of liking children she would want to be twelve forever / want to be with someone who’s twelve forever
@@doubledare7736 so I guess she wants to be
*TWELVE FOREVER*
Hahahaha....hehe...burn this comment
It was originally a single minisode on CN a few years ago, that's how I found it. I wasn't feeling it then ngl. It was then picked up by Netflix and I saw that it was becoming a show. I was shook, I watched a few eps but idk if I want to finish it???
@@JayJay-fz9jv it's a watch a few epiode and never speak of it again.
I CLICKED SO FREAKING FAST AND I DON'T EVEN WATCH THIS SHOW
Connie Maheswaran watch it
MOOD
me to
Yup
are u the real Connie or are you the one from the roses R00M
Honestly, I think this was a foregone conclusion from the moment the news about Vickerman came out. Other shows have survived similar situations, but they've had established fan bases already. I feel really bad for the rest of the staff and I would love to see more of the show, but I never expected it to be renewed.
While Reggie aka twelve had moments that made me not like her character due to her inability to accept change and growing up, I liked the character and her friends, and I am disappointed that Twelve Forever won't get another season to explore Reggie and her friends develope as people. Twelve Forever needs more seasons.
Agree 100% Reggie did annoy me sometimes but I ended up loving her as I realized that was the whole point, she was misunderstood and had kind of a rough childhood
I'm still in hopes someone else can take the lead on this show and make a season 2 even though it's not gonna be the same, but I really wanna see how the characters keep learning and eventually grow up :c
Because Netflix never really made any ads for twelve forever so it took me two days to find it
Bruh I didn't even know it was out already until now ._.
NOOOOO, I BINGED THE WHOLE SEASON IN ONE NIGHT, I WAS HOPING FOR MORE, I WAITED SO LONG FOR ITS PREMIERE, AND NOW ITS JUST GONE?!
yup look up the creator and you'll see why
@@penguin9000 She didnt even work on the show though, just the original pilot. She was kicked off before the working on the netflix series.
@@akumakirinrin she was kicked off before it went on neflix
@pinkpeppers55
I binged watched the first season in one night as well, but after hearing this news, I don't know if it's worth re-watching again.
@@zacharyyamashita8554 But if we can generate enough interest in it, mabey it could be revived someday
Because the creator of the show said that she had sex with little kids. I don't need to hear it because I already read it.
Well no she lusted after kids which is just as bad but she never actually had sex with kids
@@penguin9000 thank god she didn't actually did *it* with kids
Merely wanting to commit a crime isn’t as bad as actually doing the thing
Penguin oh. It's still bad but she didn't really do it so why did the shos get cancelled if she never did it in the first place.
Val but she thought it
Ok, the first 2 reasons have NOTHING to do with it getting cancelled. It all has to do with Julia Vickerman being a pedophile, and an extreme one at that with her post about a 14 year old boy and her having created the infamous twerking scene from the Powerpuff Girls reboot (plus she made that shitty character Bliss). Netflix is a huge corporation, but stuff like that can seriously damage their reputation. Cancelling the show is their way of saying they want no part in working with a pedophile, and it basically brushes the dirt from their metaphorical hands. 12 Forever seemed good, but when that kind of person is behind the show, it's bound to lose a huge number of fans and any credibility.
The creator of Twelve Forever blocked me on Twitter for literally saying, 'yikes' (yes, literally just that. nothing else) when they wrote their half-baked apology about her controversy. A show creator blocking me! Kicked that off the bucket list. Though honestly, it's genuinely immature if you block someone for hurting your feelings over one word. I liked the show, not the creator.
@Tsum Tsan Why'd she block you lol
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 replying to your own comment song
@@randomacts1767 I was replying to someone else lmao I don't know why you'd think I was replying to myself when I already explained why I was blocked in my original comment. That doesn't make sense.
I actually never heard of this show. I only heard of the pedo
Same thats why I clicked it
Well, you should watch the show, it's pretty good.
The show is great. But I only found out about it by searching lgbtq into the Netflix search bar
Maybe.....maybe Netflix will move it to someone else?! Who's the cocreater!!!! Please there needs to be another studio
Hopefully it get sent back to cartoon network
@@LuisLopez-fq5sz No way is CN gonna pick up the show now. Netflix was it's only hope.
@@RaspberryHeart470 i mean even thought chris savino, and skyler page did awful things working on cartoon network but their shows were still going on even yes they didn't lust over kids like julia but still i mean we can hope for the best
Luis Lopez What exactly did Skyler Page do again? I know he got fired, I’m just not sure why.
@@Gemnist98 my guess said inappropriate things and touched the women I think
So I heard people say “He can’t talk about the pedophilia or anything of the sort because it would trip off the TH-cam censors.”
Well you can talk about that touchy subject without adding trigger words. The point of a video like this is to lay down ALL of the facts and to give all possible information available. To just leave out something as big as “The creator OPENLY admitted to wanting physical relations with underage individuals” and to give blatant and major gaps in their own knowledge is.. well it’s wrong and no better then CNN or Fox.
I wish Netflix promoted this show better and the cast should not be dragged down for stuff one person did. She was fired early and the crew still carried on without her and made a good show. I got invested in this show late and it saddens me a lot that I won't get to see Reggie grow and change as person because I find her to be such a relatable character.
I just wish we could see these characters have a staisfying conclusion and grow as people as the show progresses
Once I heard about Julia I was like “welp twelve forever was fun while it lasted”
Twelve forever is something I can relate too more than ever. I am currently 13 and and I still kinda refuse to grow up. My sister and my mom kinda think I’m childish but I just can’t move on and grow up.. everyone in my class are normal teenager who want to grow up and I don’t even brush my hair that well every morning. I have anxiety and I’m scared of what’s coming in the future for me.
Everything will be fine :) stay positive in life and do and act as you prefer :D if it doesnt harm any person of course
Twelve Forever: *doesn’t get more lore*
Fans: fine, I’ll just do it myself
I wonder why it was cancelled *cough*cough*
The scary thing is that abuse at the hands of women is never taken seriously, especially if the targets are male victims of abuse.
I worry about how Amazon Prime is going to handle Invincible (cue blood stained title card) and Hazbin Hotel moving forward. If you know, you know.
i really..loved this show i liked it so much. I want them to continue it but with a different studio or a different creator/author, because Julia Vickermans..WAS hella weird, she was posting stuff and specifically liked when she met young boys..we could see by her expressions on the tweet, she even said in one tweet that she saw a mother and his son eating and she had two tickets for a concert or show and she wanted to give it to the kid (because she was a creep and wanted to spend time with the kid/teen) but since the mother was there she just gave it away to them both..she even called the boy her "muse".. she also wanted to talk to the boy but the mother was there so she didnt..in conclusion it was cancelled probably because of Julia Vickermans/the creator of the show for her tweets and posts.
I personally didn't really liked twelve forever. I mean I watch it all, but it just didnt really strike a cord with me. They did bring some good ideas, buuut....
No hate, alright?
lou ruitatsu
Right?
it appealed so much to what i enjoy in a show but it just idk didn't work.
i liked johnny test as a kid and i still do you would think a show like this would be prefect for me.
i didn't even make it though the first episode.
idk i feel bad now not giving this show a second chance.
i'm going go binge the show now see if it gets better maybe i can change my opinion to something more positive.
@@ben_dover97 I mean, it gets annoying really fast to see reggie act like a total ass to her friends when shit dont go her way, or the idea of never growing up cuz i wanna stay a kid forever, was getting old, so you go to a magical island to never age. And where have we seen that before?(hint: Peter pan and neverland)
@@louruitatsu7633 Only if Neverland was a reject Chalkzone.
@@Blackpapalink heh, chalkzone, that was a good one back than...😌 but the idea of neverland came out before that.
@@louruitatsu7633 Oh, I know, I just mean in terms of aesthetics, the magical island looked like a reject Chalk Zone.
This video is dumb Julia vickerman didnt just have "some controversy" like how are you ab to downplay that topic or tip toe around it like??? Idk that shit just bothers me real good
TH-camrs that want to keep monetization cannot use certain words/phrases or else they'll get demonitized. Everyone within the Cartoon Community knows of the situation (especially since they tweeted about it) but can't outright say it if they want to get paid.
He could get demonetized.
@@Tatodragon yall ain't got to tell me I already know ab monetization, but there are ways to at least elude or hint to the to issue at hand in a more direct way and in a brand friendly manner so .... ??? I still think it could've been discreetly addressed without rocking the boat of monetization 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@milione330 oh shit your right! Yeah it's a bit odd they didnt do it for this
auradroppers I am so sorry but I just got triggered because you said ”ab” instead of ”ad” sorry I just had to correct you no hard feelings
There is a tumblr post from the creator basically saying that she was attracted to a 14 year old boy and her following the boy all around the place that they were and how she so badly wanted to go talk to the boy and she wrote and I quote "if only his mom wasn't there"
just read the comment section and yuck. now the name 12 forever just sounds creepy.
It has literally nothing to do with the creator's actions tho, it's a completely different concept, as in Peter Pan and Neverland, not wanting to grow into the responsibilities of adulthood
@@melodyacosta5939 did not say it did but feelings don't have to be logical or rational. the name 12 forever just sounds creepy to me now.
@@john.harrison I guess it does sound inevitably creepy afterwards :c
But I like to think that the whole creator's life doesn't revolve around being a pedophile
Like, it's a sick side of her mind, yes, but that's doesn't mean she's thinking about it every second of every day
Maybe she genuinely liked the concept of not wanting to grow into adulthood (cause responsabilities suck) and chose the perfect age and title to fit that concept
Cause the show wouldn't have worked the same way with some other age than pre-teens, at least that's how I see it
I am 12 that's worse..
@@melodyacosta5939 didn't the creator openly admitted to lusting over a 14 year old and say "if only his mother wasn't there"
I absolutely love Twelve Forever. I've rewatched it 3 times now and it is just the show for me. I'm so freaking sad that is got cancelled and confused why Netflix didn't say anything about it... I will definitely be showing this show to my kids one day
ive watched it 2 times
*It SUUUUCKKKSS!*
I really wanted more episodes😭
Of f***ing course! Why was I expecting anything else?
I think the reason was the freaking fact that she was talking about really creepy stuff about kids. the creator is the force of the show and if that force is controversial in a bad way then better to cut the losses
Why do good shows like this have to be connected the terrible people!? Ahh this is why we can't have nice things!
I’m just gonna be looking on the bright side, after all, if a self proclaimed pedophile can get a cartoon on Netflix (which is my dream) why can’t I?
Twelve Forever?
More like Cry Forever
Loved this show so much 😭😭😭
And when we saw the trailer
And Reggie and the COneLLLy blushing I WAS SCREAMING OUT OF PURE JOY BUT NOOOO MAMYAPHSAUAIAOISIAHSNSMAS
I'M PISSED OKAY-
So you telling me it left off on a cliffhanger and we're not gonna get to know what happens?
AAAAAAA
I hate to be rude, but the main problem is the creator. With everything around her and the things she has said Netflix probably doesn’t want to be affiliated with her
Me and my sibling are really obsessed with Matt Berry and we found this show from him, when I was just about to turn 12 we starting watching this, it actually kinda helped me with growing up especially since Reggie’s personality is like mine.
I too wish you didn’t dance around the pedophilia debate. If we are going to say John k was a creep we need to call out female pedos also. Plus it is reported she sexually harassed men and women on the animation staff. Let’s not sugarcoat bad behavior. It was a good show though.
For real and weren't afraid to make a whole video last year on dan Schneider and the shit hes done so??? Tf
It’s really sad see this show go, I wish they could just continue the show without her
You mean, The Loud House Treatment.
I saw the pilot for Twelve Forever years and years ago when CN had a bunch of pilots out on youtube. It was released in a cluster with the SU Pilot, Infinity Train, and OK KO. I was sad to have heard nothing about it until someone in a discord posted about it showing up on Netflix the night before release. Season 1 delivered. I loved it instantly. I rewatch the show every few months for comfort. I'm really sad that now that I'm looking for updates about it, it's cancelled.
I would much rather trade all of Bigmouth for this show to continue for this shows fans (I'm NOT a fan). Just scrub Julia Vickerman's name from the entire series. Even cut it from season 1.
I wouldn't be sad about it. The creator deserves to get her show canceled. She writes that she lusts over a 14,yearold boy, that's sick.
I’m so sad about this! I love Twelve Forever. It is one of the best cartoons I’ve ever watched and it’s unfair that they canceled it. No matter what happens the show will always live on in my heart. 💗
I remember the pilot having a different name, and never once hearing of the series getting picked up, let alone by netflix and actually coming out. It wasn’t even in my recommendations under animation.
I put a lot of blame on the creator controversy too, but man there was no push or marketing whatsoever.
They better not have cancelled it due to low watch rates
i am happy Twelve Forever is Cancelled Twelve Forever sucks
@@GOKUX2012 You got any facts to back that up?
ClarionStorm can you just fuck off? Everyone are entitled to their own opinions. He didn’t like the show? So what. It gives you ZERO rights to attack him. I don’t like the show either and don’t care much for it being cancelled or not, does that suddenly mean I deserve to get hated? Like what the fuck. You out here calling others cringy, when you are so damn cringy for literally throwing hate at someone JUST because they don’t like you favorite show. Wow.
@@taigatanfan_ What you said also applies to Mack Davidson.
MacK Davidson wow someone doesn’t have the same opinion as you? Stop protecting a kids show that was made by a pedophile.
It’s a shame that kids shows are being made by some really disgusting people. I mean how can you be attracted to a sexually underdeveloped human?!
Don’t worry, just like clone high if the show gains popularity in the years to come it will come back as a reboot. It took clone high 18 years.
R.I.P. 12 forever and Tuca & Berty.
It will be sadly missed
I didn’t care for this show really. I loves the voice actor they had for the butt witch for sure. I even liked that “doctor”character. The main characters designs turned me off though, BUT the drama was really good. I found myself just selecting the core episodes with the character development and would fast forward most of the “endless” scenes lol
This is about Vickerman, right?
shes an ephebophile not a pedophile
Will Huey still pretty bad dude they’re minors
@@willhuey4891
She likes minors, end of story.
skylar pages situation was alot more tragic i mean the poor guy happened to have a mental breakdown that day
i am happy Twelve Forever is Cancelled Twelve Forever sucks
Literally didn't know this show existed until I got a notification saying it got cancelled
4:23 in 2020 Twitter had Clone High trending big time. It definitely found it's audience
Oh come on, I'm really sad I loved twelve forever and was actually excited for season two as theres a lot I connect too. But no another show drifting away, hope one day I'll see season 2
Damn.. I remember watching this show when it was just released and thought it was ok. Appreciated the LGBTQ+ representation, and the tackling of serious issues that affect children (growing up with a single parent, abandonment, outgrowing longtime friends, trauma, etc) but I felt that the show gave off a older kid/teenager vibe more than Y-7 audience it was targeted to, a little too ~out there~ imo. With the disgusting past of the creator and the harassment that went on behind the scenes, Im relieved that Twelve will not continue and respect the crew and show runner’s decision to cut it loose. I can never look at the show the same knowing that a literal child predator was behind it at one point. 🤮 Even though she was fired early on in production. I hope Julia is blacklisted from animation community for good. 😷
Ya’ll, he probably didn’t wanna straight up say pedophile because youtube goes crazy with their demonitization button.
EXACTLY. Mentioning anything related to sex, fetishes, or sexuality can get you that nasty yellow symbol.
Just wanna put this here, but apparently because of the controversy surrounding Julia Vickerman, Netflix will be completely removing Twelve Forever from its site.
Silvitrine It’s a shame, but with a show literally called Twelve Forever being associated with a pedophile, there’s not much you can salvage. Luckily people can download it and put it up elsewhere, so hey, not a total loss for people who like the show.
"Julia Vickerman"
OHHH now i know why the show got cancelled.
I find it very disturbing you did a video on this at all and kept it in a tune that "POSSIBLE" pedophilia isnt a big deal. Its not appropriate at all.
Wow just as I started watching it 😔
I MISS IT SO MUCH the characters were unique example:
A girly looking lady with knifes for hands
I wish this show would get a season two
First of all, Big Mouth is a hilarious. Second, how are you gonna compare the advertisement of a show like Stranger Things to a KIDS CARTOON like Twelve Forever? Cartoons are already underrated as it is but kids cartoons are a whole other thing to tackle. They never get advertised like that. You cannot expect something like Twelve Forever to get on a billboard.
Shame, I would have liked to see Reggie's growth and if she finally would have been able to move on from endless at some point
Maybe this is why people separate the "art" from the artist.
Awe man what D: thats so sad I really enjoyed watching this series!
'And its current on' yeah you said current while i don't want to be a downer but Netflix can remove this show if they wanted to they have done it and it dose then that's it bye bye 12 forever
12 forever was pretty good but if a show has someone like Julia as the creator, it’s completely reasonable and should be expected for it to get shut down.
I guess you can say this show died young instead of dying old.
Ok I couldn’t hear at all - I was saving up for hearing aids and my little bro loved this show - I was confused when I heard butt witches voice - OH GOD
I really wish i enjoyed the show. It was one of the most repetitive shows i have ever seen. I don't feel like it added anything new that has not already been done.
I watched it on your recommendation, the entire season... it was fine n
Damn so much potential... imagine if Gravity Falls ended on Season 1...
saying Netflix screw up cus you want to watch a show when you know it's creator is a pedo kinda doesn't make you look go nor your point. That's like saying you love Rose and her choices when you fully know how much of a shitty gem she is
Hah
i’ve watched the 12 forever for the past three years and I’ve been waiting for 3 years for season two to come out and as soon as I saw this video last year, I literally was crying I was in my room crying my heart out and re-watching it until I stopped crying but ever since then every time I hear somebody talking about 12 forever, I will literallystart crying
Moral Of The Story: Never Work with A Pedophile without little protection
Not Sexual but Physical in case for you Know attempt something
I am not going further.
This doesn’t hurt me as much as the time I heard Rorouni Kenshin was made by a pedophile, too. I never really watched that much of Twelve Forever but it did seem interesting. This is just sad
Ok but why did you FEEL the need to mention Big Mouth? It’s a great show, and we understand that you don’t like it. You don’t always have to bash it.
They say one should separate the work from the creator...But even before I found out I had a feeling there was something not right with the creator making this....At least Rurouni Kenshin you couldn't tell how sick in the head it's creator was
We need a season two for 12 forever. I can’t believe it got canceled. We need a season two we can just have 25 episodes I’m gonna make a Lego set and post it on ideas because I really want to see season two and I want to see the witch again. We should probably get a season two we need a season two