Your friend is generous. You've made yet another great video and featured a great revolver. It's fabulous that some of these originals are still available and usable.
@JFK-co4fq I guess it depends. If the gun is kept out of the elements and well maintained then I'd imagine that it would hold up pretty well. What I'd be worried about the most would be how things like UV light would effect things. UV damages the molecular bonds that hold plastic together.
Lol dustin how did you get that thing to cap jam😂. Between me a Garrett from 11bang bang. Over 200 shots and we had one. Lol o well figures my gun will make a Liar out of me. if you look on the bottom of the Wedge and the bottom of the Cylinder Arbor. Those also have the serial number of the gun. Wow those caping tools are amazing. I definitely have to buy some of those. Also if you dont mind holding on to the gun for a little longer. I have some traveling i have to do. Cheers and great video
Can he shoot it through a chronograph too, that would be interesting! Also do you own more originals? If so how strong are the hammer springs compared to modern reproductions? I get the feeling the spring in my 2021 Pietta is super flimsy and weak compared to originals. Maybe do a force measurement on them by hanging a scale off the hammer, like they do to measure trigger pull force?
@@historyandhorseplaying7374 except a Patterson and a Walker I own a original of every cap and ball colt made. And lots of early cartridge colts. Yeah I can do that. The original springs are much heavier then replicas. It close if you put 2 full power replica hammer springs on your gun. The original springs are made out of 1/8 inch spring steel. The only difference between the pocket models and the full size say a 51 navy. is the Is length of the Spring. I will pick up a luggage Weigher and see if I can get those numbers.
Very nice! One anecdote on originals: Last year on my last competition I was shooting a Pietta Griswold, didn't do too good at 77 points. I notided looking at the scores on the wall that the guys on the "original Colt" class had scores higher than us on the replicas, (92, 95 vs 92 best for us) I mentioned that to an ol' timer and he said: " Those old guns shoot way better than the replicas"...
I had a 36 Colt sheriffs model nickel plated. Loved that gun out of all the others I had. We would shoot lemons from about 10-15 meters away. I would load it with 32 grains of black powder or GGG of Pyrodex and round balls. Lots of fun with black powder guns.
Great video, Dustin. A big thank you to you and Snapper. It is great to see an original. I would have enjoyed a chronograph comparison of the Pocket Navy with a full size Navy to see how the numbers compare using the same cartridges, but I understand not asking an original to do too much.
That is a great idea. I have a original 51 navy as well. There chambers are the same size. Even though the pocket Navy's cylinder is smaller. I myself would love to see a chronograph comparison
Kind Thanks and what a Lovely Historical gun! You are shooting history firing an antique gun and it’s very special indeed! And a Very Happy 2024 to You and your Family! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
I'm guessing the original nipples may have flash holes that are rusted and/or burned out so large and are venting excessive back pressure to cause the cap jams. Track of the Wolf does carry excellent replacement nipples with proper tiny flash holes (both in stainless steel and in hardened blued steel) that are properly threaded for original Colts.
Awesome video!! I love seeing the originals. I have an original, untouched 1851 Navy Colt first year production. 4 digit serial number, all matching. It unfortunately gave me Colt fever. 🤒 Hahaha
I have a Uberti Pocket Navy. It will shoot out the x-ring with one hand shooting. Don't be impressed, it was at the seven yard line where everyone was shooting there concealed handguns. 15 grs. of black with round ball in the paper cartridges. I have the Lee .36 conical mold, but it shoots those 6" high and to the left at the same 7 yards. My '51 shoots both well.
I used to keep a reproduction loaded in my truck. Never had it fail to fire . I only ever had cap jams after it started to get dirty. Everyone has an opion on what to do or not to do with these revolvers
Great video as usual. I was surprised at the number of cap jams, as it seems originals suffer from this malady far less often. Can you talk about the hammer springs on the originals you've fired-- do they feel like the force needed to cock the hammer is greater, the same, or less than the reproductions? If you've disassembled them for cleaning, do original hamner springs seem to be meatier than reproductions? This has a bearing on frequency of cap jams.
@@GunsOfTheWest ok, that's interesting. There is a possibility that I can get access to a couple of Colts used in the Civil War in a local museum, I really want to examine the hammer springs.
My question is about a different gun. However, this is your most recent video. I have a pietta '58 repro army sheriff in .44. For the conversion cylinder and reloads, I found lead conicals with a polymer coating. Can you use those in conversion reloads knowing it's not a copper jacket.
Regardless of what the paper ballistics are, enough power to flatten a ball of lead is nothing anyone wants to get hit by. Anyone who doesn’t believe me, go ahead and try to press a lead roundball flat sometime.
The cartridges were lubed prior to loading. The lube is not intended to prevent chain fires; it’s purpose is to prevent fouling from hardening. Using properly-sized projectiles and caps prevents chain fires.
I'm jealous. Great old gun. What is your opinion about the cap jams? Do you think that the old girl always had that problem, or is it because of it's age and condition?
I never thought I would either, however if you look around you might find some. One of the first cap and ball revolvers I ever held was a very worn out Remington pocket with a factory original .32 rimfire cylinder. About a year later, I stumbled across an original, numbers matching Colt 1849 pocket that oddly had the cylinder and barrel recently reblued. The back half of the gun looked just about in the same condition as the vintage Colt he’s firing in this video. I didn’t get the full story on why or when it was reblued but, like I said, the numbers were right and it was a cool experience in its own right. I might not ever get the chance to fire an original, and frankly, I don’t know if I would want to. It’s too risky in my opinion, and while I’m sure it would be a memorable experience, I just couldn’t see me ever paying what they want for these old guns, let alone the risk to firing it.
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How exciting to shoot an original! Very cool, Dusty Britches.
Beautiful pocket pistol! Always awesome to fire an actual antique firearm.
Very cool Dustin! I hope to pick up some originals of my own some day! Thanks to Snapper for sharing too!
Your friend is generous. You've made yet another great video and featured a great revolver. It's fabulous that some of these originals are still available and usable.
Wow that’s cool. I don’t see many 160 year old polymer pistols running
@JFK-co4fq I guess it depends. If the gun is kept out of the elements and well maintained then I'd imagine that it would hold up pretty well.
What I'd be worried about the most would be how things like UV light would effect things. UV damages the molecular bonds that hold plastic together.
Just goes to show how well these old revolvers were made! 🤔🇺🇸
Bought your paper cartridge kit recently. Loading for my original Manhattan Navy first type made in 1859. Great kit !
Thanks for your business!
Lol dustin how did you get that thing to cap jam😂. Between me a Garrett from 11bang bang. Over 200 shots and we had one. Lol o well figures my gun will make a Liar out of me. if you look on the bottom of the Wedge and the bottom of the Cylinder Arbor. Those also have the serial number of the gun. Wow those caping tools are amazing. I definitely have to buy some of those. Also if you dont mind holding on to the gun for a little longer. I have some traveling i have to do. Cheers and great video
Can he shoot it through a chronograph too, that would be interesting! Also do you own more originals? If so how strong are the hammer springs compared to modern reproductions? I get the feeling the spring in my 2021 Pietta is super flimsy and weak compared to originals. Maybe do a force measurement on them by hanging a scale off the hammer, like they do to measure trigger pull force?
I have a unique talent for getting all revolvers to cap jam. 😂
@@GunsOfTheWest 🤣 so it seems. I hope you don't mind holding on to the pistol for several more weeks.
Im sure he won't mind haha. I hope he makes some more videos showing it off.
@@historyandhorseplaying7374 except a Patterson and a Walker I own a original of every cap and ball colt made. And lots of early cartridge colts. Yeah I can do that. The original springs are much heavier then replicas. It close if you put 2 full power replica hammer springs on your gun. The original springs are made out of 1/8 inch spring steel. The only difference between the pocket models and the full size say a 51 navy. is the Is length of the Spring. I will pick up a luggage Weigher and see if I can get those numbers.
Very cool, always nice to see originals still in working order, getting some exercise.
Fun video! You might want to hang a cardboard witness board behind the target when sighting in a new gun.
This is undoubtedly one of the best revolvers in the world.
Very nice! One anecdote on originals: Last year on my last competition I was shooting a Pietta Griswold, didn't do too good at 77 points. I notided looking at the scores on the wall that the guys on the "original Colt" class had scores higher than us on the replicas, (92, 95 vs 92 best for us) I mentioned that to an ol' timer and he said: " Those old guns shoot way better than the replicas"...
Nice video! Thanks for sharing.
So cool to be able to shoot an item of actual history. Thanks for sharing.
I had a 36 Colt sheriffs model nickel plated. Loved that gun out of all the others I had. We would shoot lemons from about 10-15 meters away. I would load it with 32 grains of black powder or GGG of Pyrodex and round balls. Lots of fun with black powder guns.
Good shootin' Dustin. Glad you did some offhand shooting with it.
Great video, Dustin. A big thank you to you and Snapper. It is great to see an original. I would have enjoyed a chronograph comparison of the Pocket Navy with a full size Navy to see how the numbers compare using the same cartridges, but I understand not asking an original to do too much.
That’s a great idea!
That is a great idea. I have a original 51 navy as well. There chambers are the same size. Even though the pocket Navy's cylinder is smaller. I myself would love to see a chronograph comparison
Kind Thanks and what a Lovely Historical gun! You are shooting history firing an antique gun and it’s very special indeed! And a Very Happy 2024 to You and your Family! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Thanks Dustin, I had no idea that there was a pocket Navy.
I also think you should make some hats with a simple silhouette of 1851 crossing or something in that nature.
I’d order one!
Or shirts. Good way to help fund videos!
Cap jam. That's a... Coltprit! 🫣 Great looking gun!
I'm guessing the original nipples may have flash holes that are rusted and/or burned out so large and are venting excessive back pressure to cause the cap jams. Track of the Wolf does carry excellent replacement nipples with proper tiny flash holes (both in stainless steel and in hardened blued steel) that are properly threaded for original Colts.
What an interesting old gun.
Wow!!! That's a beautiful true survivor. Very jealous lol. Great video
Awesome video!! I love seeing the originals. I have an original, untouched 1851 Navy Colt first year production. 4 digit serial number, all matching. It unfortunately gave me Colt fever. 🤒 Hahaha
Very cool piece of history!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Very nice!
Thanks for sharing!
I have a Uberti Pocket Navy. It will shoot out the x-ring with one hand shooting. Don't be impressed, it was at the seven yard line where everyone was shooting there concealed handguns. 15 grs. of black with round ball in the paper cartridges. I have the Lee .36 conical mold, but it shoots those 6" high and to the left at the same 7 yards. My '51 shoots both well.
I used to keep a reproduction loaded in my truck. Never had it fail to fire . I only ever had cap jams after it started to get dirty. Everyone has an opion on what to do or not to do with these revolvers
Why not a Metallic cartridge gun? MMMMM
That’s too cool!
Great video as usual. I was surprised at the number of cap jams, as it seems originals suffer from this malady far less often. Can you talk about the hammer springs on the originals you've fired-- do they feel like the force needed to cock the hammer is greater, the same, or less than the reproductions? If you've disassembled them for cleaning, do original hamner springs seem to be meatier than reproductions? This has a bearing on frequency of cap jams.
The spring actually didn’t really seem much different from a reproduction.
@@GunsOfTheWest ok, that's interesting. There is a possibility that I can get access to a couple of Colts used in the Civil War in a local museum, I really want to examine the hammer springs.
This is where the Italian manufacturer lets us down. Lack of serial numbers on parts.
My wedge is even matching on my 1849 pocket
.36 on the .32 frame, ergo the belt on the cylinder.
My question is about a different gun. However, this is your most recent video. I have a pietta '58 repro army sheriff in .44. For the conversion cylinder and reloads, I found lead conicals with a polymer coating. Can you use those in conversion reloads knowing it's not a copper jacket.
Awesome video!
any idea of the value of this gun from low to high?
Regardless of what the paper ballistics are, enough power to flatten a ball of lead is nothing anyone wants to get hit by. Anyone who doesn’t believe me, go ahead and try to press a lead roundball flat sometime.
I noticed you don't use lube over your rounds to prevent chian fire
The cartridges were lubed prior to loading. The lube is not intended to prevent chain fires; it’s purpose is to prevent fouling from hardening. Using properly-sized projectiles and caps prevents chain fires.
Where did you find this treasure?
I'm jealous. Great old gun.
What is your opinion about the cap jams?
Do you think that the old girl always had that problem, or is it because of it's age and condition?
I will have my Navy pocket sir.
Extends grubby paw.
Give it.
Awesome!
though ill never get to hold an original,id love to find someone that made a copy of one of those just for fun
Replica's aren't hard to come by, at least here in the US.
@@pieman12345678987654 that's what I'm hoping for. That is a neat little piece
I never thought I would either, however if you look around you might find some. One of the first cap and ball revolvers I ever held was a very worn out Remington pocket with a factory original .32 rimfire cylinder. About a year later, I stumbled across an original, numbers matching Colt 1849 pocket that oddly had the cylinder and barrel recently reblued. The back half of the gun looked just about in the same condition as the vintage Colt he’s firing in this video. I didn’t get the full story on why or when it was reblued but, like I said, the numbers were right and it was a cool experience in its own right. I might not ever get the chance to fire an original, and frankly, I don’t know if I would want to. It’s too risky in my opinion, and while I’m sure it would be a memorable experience, I just couldn’t see me ever paying what they want for these old guns, let alone the risk to firing it.
NICE GUN :D
Get some more 1851 navy and 1860 videos friend?
I would love to have a friend like that just to shoot a couple rounds of an original Colt !!!!!
It’s definitely an experience!
👍🏼👍🏼